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Those three greatest killers are:

1) Atheists governments
2) Roman Catholicism
3) Islam

Ever wonder why Jesus Taught using Parables, op?

We did a homechurch on that about 8yrs ago...

From Matt ch 13:
10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.


13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


16. But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.



Your heart is "waxed gross", OP...
You just can't hear or see with your heart.

look at verse 15: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


Jesus Taught using parables so those with hearts waxed gross would not understand...


If you Love Christ and Know HIM To BE God The Son, it is because God Has Called your heart. Yet you won't Trust HIM...

You put barriers up and make rationalizations about "church"... God don't care about churches.

Some have Been Given To Know The Mysteries Of Heaven and have their Knowledge added to.... Those not so Given have what knowledge they have Taken Away... verses 11 & 12 above...



the staunch catholic is unable to hear God's Truth. Afraid to hear it. Conditioned to think those Who Know and Abide With God will lead them astray...


Jesus remarked to the pharisees once, "satan does not cast out satan"....

I got no reason to lead you anywhere.
If it is God's Will that you have a heart waxed gross, Praise HIS Name because God's Will IS Always Perfect!

See Matthew 22 The King's Wedding Feast parable in my next post....

OP,

It's hard for our brothers and sisters in Christ to understand
prayers of intercession even though they pray for others.

When you see the term "pray to Mary", it means you are asking Mary
to pray to God for your particular intention.

You are a killer. And you align yourself with maniacal killers.

Your final destination is the same as Satan's.

Matthew 22


1. And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2. The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3. And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6. And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.


8. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.


11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12. And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14. For many are called, but few are chosen.

your popes committed the sins and you will pay for it.. rome is a crime against humanity...

Very well said Lester.

Could not agree more.

But, as you pointed out, the OP is simply incapable of seeing with his heart. Only through the fog of Papacy coated glasses.

I don't often agree with an Aussie, and neither with you. But you are right on point, on this one.

The OP will share in her sins, and receive of her plagues, when the time is come.

Lester, i was born Catholic, left the church. Did my homework for years on All religions and such. After Years the only Logical choice was The RCC. Do some homework on Church Fathers and what they wrote about Rome and its importance. See, if you cant trust them you cant trust your religion. How could you know Jesus, if his Own Apostles didnt. Or if the second generation Christians didnt... Understand?? If they didnt know Jesus 2000 years ago you wouldnt have the riddle solved today. He said He would NEVER leave The Church

I have written this sentence thousands of times here....


God's Will IS Always Perfect!


As a Born-Again Ezekiel 36 Christian, I KNOW this is True...

26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


All Scripture Witnesses The Perfection of The Father and The Trinity...


I do not pray for "intercession".

Knowing God's Will To Be PERFECT, I don't seek mitigation of HIS Will or for self.


Any Christian who Claims HIM yet prays for their will is P-R-E-Y-ING Upon God, not PRAYING Unto HIM.



The Wedding Garment we must have If WE Are HIS, is The New Heart of Father's Flesh.

"Friend, how come ye here without a Wedding Garment?"...
None permitted to remain at The Wedding Feast w/o their Wedding Garment. Gotta Know God and HE's gotta Know you...


From Luke ch 13:

22. And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem.
23. Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,

24. Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.


25. When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:


26. Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

27. But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.


28. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

OP says:

"BUT its been here for 2000 years, and WILL NOT FALL."


Bible says:

"How much she has glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she said in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow." Rev 18:7


Additionally...

"Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judges her." Rev 18:8


But this pretty much sums it up, in a nutshell:

"And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen," Rev. 18:2





The Scarlet harlot WILL fall. And fall HARD, in one day.

And yet the bible makes it VERY clear that the "whole world" is deceived.

What's the single largest religious institution on earth? Does THAT sound like the "remnant" that will be saved? The UNIVERSAL one??


Additionally, the word "Vatican" is Latin, for "Divining Serpent".

How utterly fitting.

What is the most beautiful part of your religion?

Also, how do non-Catholics politely address priests and nuns? "Father" doesn't feel right, but I don't want to seem rude.

Also, what is the Mass? What is the routine and does it vary throughout the seasons or is it always the same?

Also, MUST Catholics have a literal belief that Jesus died on a cross and all that or can a Catholic practice without literal belief but with reverence for the idea that God was willing to live like us and suffer like us.

Lots of questions. I learned a little of your religion through novels. I don't really know much at all. :)

95% of Book Of Revelation completed by Destruction of Jerusalem... Doom and Gloom. Move ON. The Catholic Church ALSO Feed,Clothes,builds,cares for the whole world. Revelations is full of symbolism and allegories you HATE Catholics. As a Christian that is Immoral. I Love All Brothers and Sisters in Christ. God Bless

A Heretic is one who "chooses". His Choice is his own "opinion" as opposed to the constant teaching of the Church which which Christ has given us as the infallible guide of Salvation.

St. Augustine wisely considers a heretic to be worse than a Murderer because a person who kills the body ultimately can have no power to harm the soul but a heretic unlike the former draws his victim to eternal perdition.

and so shall the 'roman' hypocrisy.. WAKE UP.... that is all....

OP says:

"BUT its been here for 2000 years, and WILL NOT FALL."


Bible says:

"How much she has glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she said in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow." Rev 18:7


I love the way that the OP (and others that are just as deceived) are so good at fulfilling prophecy.

I want to thank you, OP. For helping so much, to make the scriptures come alive, and even jump off the pages.

Those claims that that THE CHURCH killed millions are just historically inaccurate. These myths were propagated during and after the Protestant Reformation and are often referred to as the Black Myth. Any who make such claims should provide the evidence to substantiate them.

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I am no catholic and don't agree with their beliefs. But as far as Mystery Babylon I am 100% cetain it's The USA and the Mother of Babylon or mother of Harlots is England. The USA has the statue of liberty but in reality it's the statue representing as Mystery Babylon.

You have proven my point...

You made a logical decision... Your heart IS Waxed Gross.

13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.



If you would Love Christ as you say, God Has Called your heart; not your mind and "logical decisionmaking"...


Jesus Witnesses 3x to Nicodemus "Marvel Not That I say Unto you, you must Be Born-Again". john 3:7

Nicodemus cannot (logically?) accept or understand.... Jesus is rather exasperated and says:
1. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?



Your religion deliberately was constructed to deny your obtaining a Wedding Garment.

Jesus will not Know you as you are unwilling/unable to Hear The Gospel or recognize True witness from another you have much in common with.

I write what I write here for others to read and consider also.

If God Has Called your heart and you will not heed HIS Call, you are a failed vessel and you deny Christ and HIS Sacrifice.

Such is the power of the carnal-heart.
Only God can Give us Victory over our carnal/stony heart.

Only by surrender Unto The Father Will HE make us Victorious.

Have to be willing to lose your life (self-will) to find it In-HIM. have to die unto self, to be Born-Again In HIM.

You aren't fooling anyone, OP.

Revelation is a 100% accurate blueprint for world history, written in the form of a Chiasm.

Your "church" IS the mother of harlots, and abominations of the earth. Your "church" is absolutely chocked full of perverts, pedophiles, and homosexuals. Your "church" has committed innumerable atrocities that are far too numerous to list.

Just say the word, OP... And I will start LISTING all of the KNOWN atrocities committed by your "church" throughout history. And for every KNOWN sin, there are COUNTLESS others that never saw the light of day, but they will when all secrets are brought into the light.

use your religion and see how it serves you now, and toward death....

cheap bullshit for the foolheardy and gutless.. a basement for the souless.... grab your bus and hand onto the handrails... sry....

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AC you say Your "church" IS the mother of harlots . My question is where does it say the Catholic Church is the mother of harlots in the bible?

Why does this man's eyes ooze evil to the core

Why does the crosiers of the bishops and high catholic officials have a winged serpent embedded in the curve of the handle

not even hiding it in the middle ages, that satan was/is their master

WHY ?

Im willing to Answer As Best I can :)........

. The Catholic Mass is a Very Beautiful thing in itself. It Will ALWAYS boost your Spirits. While your all there together, Race,Creed, Status, Wealth doesnt matter. Your ALL Brothers and Sisters in Christ

. Mass will Vary slightly around Christmas, and Easter. You have The Passion Week before Easter. And The Stations of the Cross. Readings change daily and are set up accordingly. usually

. Yes you must believe Jesus died on the cross.


Any More

disabled,abused,molested,starving,sick innocent children whats the reason for that? pretty simple question should be simple explanation....

You obviously do not study the bible.

Mystery Babylon the Great... MOTHER of HARLOTS is a church.

In biblical prophetic symbolism, a "woman" is a church.And a "harlot" is a wicked, or apostate "church".

In the bible, the "woman" refers to Gods church. And the harlot refers to Satan's counterfeit "church".

I could sit here and give you a long, drawn out bible lesson, but you'd just deny it, even though I've spent the last 25 years studying the bible and eschatology. So why bother.

The studying is YOUR job.

"Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the word of truth."

And Catholicism is a putrid blend of Babylonian mystery religion, and apostate "Christianity".