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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1331499 ![]() 12/16/2012 04:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Spoons did not cause the fat person. Pencils did not cause the book full of lies. The mass killing in Taz was STAGED by the Aus Gov and most likely an institution such as the Knights of Columbus. KoC murderous oath [link to www.biblebelievers.org.au] |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 2219053 ![]() 12/17/2012 02:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Too rational and thus boring for GLP? Maybe the thread title is not provocative enough? I've seen tons of ridiculous threads get thousands of views, lots of stars and pins. I make a thread with at least a little bit of substance and no one's interested? Not even a bite from anti-gun types? I admit I enjoy the craziness on GLP - this is the main reason I visit the site - for entertainment :-D The majority of threads on here are pretty far from reality. I could probably count on one hand the threads which are both accurate and as close to the truth as we are likely to get... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27300110 ![]() 12/17/2012 06:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Guns did not cause a school massacre. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1331499 Spoons did not cause the fat person. Pencils did not cause the book full of lies. The mass killing in Taz was STAGED by the Aus Gov and most likely an institution such as the Knights of Columbus. KoC murderous oath [link to www.biblebelievers.org.au] Let's not forget about this study: [link to www.law.harvard.edu] |
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fight for truth User ID: 6302433 ![]() 12/17/2012 08:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | While I agree with much of what was said in this post I must say on point 2 that I think Requiring a person to be armed is just as wrong as saying that they can not be armed. For a person to Carry a gun a few simple rules. 1) The person must want to carry the Gun, and be willing to use it, in their defense or the defense of others. 2) The person must be of sound mind and physically able to safely protect their gun and use it without unnecessary risk to others if they must fire it. 3) a few classes and much practice in tactics and knowing when not to pull a gun, and when to use a gun and how to use movement and concealment. The Police and others will likely see anyone with a gun at a shooting as a target. and being able to hit a hostile shooter is essential if you want to stop them. if you want to just pin them down till help arrives keep in mind help may not come fast, or know that you are on their side. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 2219053 ![]() 12/17/2012 09:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, I do like Americans :-) All the ones I have met either here in Australia or on my travels were very decent people. I wish I had some guns of my own to play with :-P I was considering getting a gun for target shooting, but there is a LOT of BS involved :-( I might look into it again in the future. Australia has become a 'nanny' COUNTRY :-( Fireworks are illegal, it's tough to obtain weapons of just about any kind that are of any significant defensive value, plain packaging on cigarettes - the list goes on and on. It seems sensible adults are no longer trusted to make decisions for ourselves over here. I fucking hate it :'( |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 2219053 ![]() 12/17/2012 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | While I agree with much of what was said in this post I must say on point 2 that I think Requiring a person to be armed is just as wrong as saying that they can not be armed. Quoting: fight for truth 6302433 For a person to Carry a gun a few simple rules. 1) The person must want to carry the Gun, and be willing to use it, in their defense or the defense of others. 2) The person must be of sound mind and physically able to safely protect their gun and use it without unnecessary risk to others if they must fire it. 3) a few classes and much practice in tactics and knowing when not to pull a gun, and when to use a gun and how to use movement and concealment. The Police and others will likely see anyone with a gun at a shooting as a target. and being able to hit a hostile shooter is essential if you want to stop them. if you want to just pin them down till help arrives keep in mind help may not come fast, or know that you are on their side. Very true, I can think of a lot of problems with what I have outlined, some of which you pointed out :-) They are all issues that could be worked out though. |
davvi User ID: 3677166 ![]() 12/17/2012 09:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, I do like Americans :-) All the ones I have met either here in Australia or on my travels were very decent people. I wish I had some guns of my own to play with :-P I was considering getting a gun for target shooting, but there is a LOT of BS involved :-( I might look into it again in the future. Australia has become a 'nanny' COUNTRY :-( Fireworks are illegal, it's tough to obtain weapons of just about any kind that are of any significant defensive value, plain packaging on cigarettes - the list goes on and on. It seems sensible adults are no longer trusted to make decisions for ourselves over here. I fucking hate it :'( interesting, every australian i have ever had contact with on here claim australians hate americans, but then i guess there is always an odd one. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 2219053 ![]() 12/17/2012 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So basically everyone (adult) needs a gun in America to protect against the sheer number of nutters/psychopaths with access to guns? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25007705 What a lovely country... ![]() Not necessarily. Nutters and criminals without guns are very dangerous too. I can think of so many home invasions here that could have been stopped before the poor old bugger got bashed, if the home owner had a gun and knew how to use it. Port Arthur - if only a couple of people were packing, Mr. Bryant would no doubt have been blown away pretty quickly. I know it seems crazy, but guns in the hands of the right people makes for a safer society - at least for the law abiding. It's easy for people that have never been touched by serious crime to say no one should have a gun. I am one of these lucky people, but I can still see the value in owning a gun. Someone made an excellent comment in another thread along the lines of "It's better to have a gun and never need to use it, than not to have a gun when you really need it". Having never visited the U.S.A., I'm not qualified to make a judgement on the whole country and every person living there. I do know enough about it to know that there are PLENTY of towns & cities etc there, that have very low crime rates and are good places to live. I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of Americans are good people too, just like most countries. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 2219053 ![]() 12/17/2012 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, I do like Americans :-) All the ones I have met either here in Australia or on my travels were very decent people. I wish I had some guns of my own to play with :-P I was considering getting a gun for target shooting, but there is a LOT of BS involved :-( I might look into it again in the future. Australia has become a 'nanny' COUNTRY :-( Fireworks are illegal, it's tough to obtain weapons of just about any kind that are of any significant defensive value, plain packaging on cigarettes - the list goes on and on. It seems sensible adults are no longer trusted to make decisions for ourselves over here. I fucking hate it :'( interesting, every australian i have ever had contact with on here claim australians hate americans, but then i guess there is always an odd one. From what I have seen, most Aussies on here seem to only be here to wind people up - i.e., trolls. I doubt a few trolls know how tens of millions of Australians feel about Americans. I would also like to know if they have ever even met any Americans. A bad experience with one or two doesn't count. Same goes for us :-) There is an abundance of decent people over here, as there would be over there. Unfortunately, as with both our countries, the idiots make the most noise - these people should not be seen as ambassadors :-S It's a shame that many don't behave on the net as they would in person (with some people, I would hope that this is the case!). I tend to be the same online as off, including the odd comment for lulz :-D |
Mickeyblue User ID: 9806228 ![]() 12/17/2012 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You have made cogent points, but the omitted one that needs comprehension is these things and events are not accidental nor incidental to guns, they are about getting people persuaded to give up their guns. The disarming of America is an absolute target end game to effect and this is the primary method being implemented to do just that. This is a tool. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 2219053 ![]() 12/17/2012 10:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An excellent example of responsible gun ownership - Switzerland! The Swiss are very conservative sensible people. You could hardly accuse the Swiss of being 'gun happy' or idiots. Look at the crime stats too, especially that for home invasions. From memory, they have a gun in every home by law? Someone correct me on this if I'm wrong :-) |
Resister User ID: 669410 ![]() 12/17/2012 10:31 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are absolutely right OP. People who are not prepared to defend themselves are sitting ducks. Governments that purposefully disarm even those who are willing to defend themselves and others make everyone more vulnerable and less safe. Just one person could have stopped that whole situation from happening and saved all those little kids lives if only someone at the entrance to the school had been armed. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 2219053 ![]() 12/17/2012 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You have made cogent points, but the omitted one that needs comprehension is these things and events are not accidental nor incidental to guns, they are about getting people persuaded to give up their guns. The disarming of America is an absolute target end game to effect and this is the primary method being implemented to do just that. Quoting: Mickeyblue 9806228 This is a tool. I'm aware of all kinds of alternative explanations/theories regarding many incidents, historical and current. I like to read/view/listen to as many sources as possible, rather than just the MSM, or just 'alternative' sources of information. I would hope that certain elements wouldn't resort to killing kids to push an agenda, but with the kinds of people we have in society and in positions of power ANYTHING is possible :-( |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 2219053 ![]() 12/17/2012 10:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are absolutely right OP. People who are not prepared to defend themselves are sitting ducks. Governments that purposefully disarm even those who are willing to defend themselves and others make everyone more vulnerable and less safe. Quoting: Resister Just one person could have stopped that whole situation from happening and saved all those little kids lives if only someone at the entrance to the school had been armed. Exactly! The principal of the school sounded like a lioness of a woman in terms of bravery and action. If she wasn't against CCW and was armed, I bet she would have been skilled enough (from diligent training) to put one right between the eyes of that murdering SOB. All the poor woman could do was throw herself at the killer and try to disarm him - incredibly brave and heroic, but sad that she died too :-( You never know, she may have saved a couple of lives if she wrestled with him for a few seconds, enabling people to hide, get away etc. The while thing is very, very sad :-( |
davvi User ID: 3677166 ![]() 12/17/2012 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Actually, I do like Americans :-) All the ones I have met either here in Australia or on my travels were very decent people. I wish I had some guns of my own to play with :-P I was considering getting a gun for target shooting, but there is a LOT of BS involved :-( I might look into it again in the future. Australia has become a 'nanny' COUNTRY :-( Fireworks are illegal, it's tough to obtain weapons of just about any kind that are of any significant defensive value, plain packaging on cigarettes - the list goes on and on. It seems sensible adults are no longer trusted to make decisions for ourselves over here. I fucking hate it :'( interesting, every australian i have ever had contact with on here claim australians hate americans, but then i guess there is always an odd one. From what I have seen, most Aussies on here seem to only be here to wind people up - i.e., trolls. I doubt a few trolls know how tens of millions of Australians feel about Americans. I would also like to know if they have ever even met any Americans. A bad experience with one or two doesn't count. Same goes for us :-) There is an abundance of decent people over here, as there would be over there. Unfortunately, as with both our countries, the idiots make the most noise - these people should not be seen as ambassadors :-S It's a shame that many don't behave on the net as they would in person (with some people, I would hope that this is the case!). I tend to be the same online as off, including the odd comment for lulz :-D meh, you are too close to the british, europeans and canadians with their whining and lecturing americans about everything we do for me to ever like you. |
kangablue (OP) User ID: 2219053 ![]() 12/17/2012 08:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2219053 ... Actually, I do like Americans :-) All the ones I have met either here in Australia or on my travels were very decent people. I wish I had some guns of my own to play with :-P I was considering getting a gun for target shooting, but there is a LOT of BS involved :-( I might look into it again in the future. Australia has become a 'nanny' COUNTRY :-( Fireworks are illegal, it's tough to obtain weapons of just about any kind that are of any significant defensive value, plain packaging on cigarettes - the list goes on and on. It seems sensible adults are no longer trusted to make decisions for ourselves over here. I fucking hate it :'( interesting, every australian i have ever had contact with on here claim australians hate americans, but then i guess there is always an odd one. From what I have seen, most Aussies on here seem to only be here to wind people up - i.e., trolls. I doubt a few trolls know how tens of millions of Australians feel about Americans. I would also like to know if they have ever even met any Americans. A bad experience with one or two doesn't count. Same goes for us :-) There is an abundance of decent people over here, as there would be over there. Unfortunately, as with both our countries, the idiots make the most noise - these people should not be seen as ambassadors :-S It's a shame that many don't behave on the net as they would in person (with some people, I would hope that this is the case!). I tend to be the same online as off, including the odd comment for lulz :-D meh, you are too close to the british, europeans and canadians with their whining and lecturing americans about everything we do for me to ever like you. What an odd response. That's some ego you have there. What makes you think I give a damn about what YOU or anyone on here thinks about me? I'm not here to make friends or ingratiate myself with certain segments on GLP - God help me if I was! Judging by many posts here, GLP is only marginally better than Stormfront or 4Chan. Your ability to write off hundreds of millions of complete strangers shows how staggeringly ignorant you are. Perhaps you should go and play with your toys and leave the grown-ups to talk ;-) You are the type of person that gives Republicans a bad name and causes people to come up with hilarious zingers such as "Amerilard". Unlike you, I'm intelligent enough to realise that there are good Republicans and bad Republicans, good Democrats and bad Democrats and everything in between. Are you are robot, only able to think in binary? Besides, judging from the graphic in your sig, you could be one of those hook-nosed, deceitful, shifty, money-grubbing, spawn-of-Satan people. Or at least a lover of them. In which case I wouldn't want you to like me or be a 'friend' of mine. Haha, just kidding with the k*ke thing :-P Last Edited by kangablue on 12/17/2012 09:04 PM |