Bigoted gun fanatics = FALSE PATRIOTS

ill gladly trade you the second amendment, if you give up your first. BUT WE ALL KNOW U WILL NEVER STOP! we give you nothing!

And rest assurred the guarantee of the 1st Amendment can only be assured by guarantee of the 2nd.

they're gonna let you keep a pea-shoot, don't worry.
(you'll just have to improve your aim, that's all)

Sure the people trying to deport the guy for expressing free speech are just as bad as the people pushing for anti-gun legislation, but sitting in the middle of it stirring the pot is even worse. You talk about people promoting hate, violence, and division while creating an inflammatory thread made to divide people. Careful who you point the finger at, you'll find you have three fingers pointing right back at yourself.

Your feeble attempt at being "clever" - at the expense of the gist of MY post - is a giant, miserable FAIL.

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Thanks for proving your close-minded, bigoted lunacy.

Um...isn't the right to bear arms an amendment? I seem to recall it being top of the list somewhere.

Man get real! That British fuck wants the 2nd amendment abolished! He wants to take our rights. Isn't the 2nd amendment as important as the first?

If you believe in the constitution, they are both important.

Can't you see the lunacy exhibited by these fanatics who are running crazy and hysterical over a little pissant like Piers Morgan? He is nothing in the overall picture - just a public guy with an outspoken opinion - and 50,000 signatures on a petition means nothing.

This guy is not going to take your guns away - BHO and Congress might, Piers Morgan won't personally - he's just part of the bought media.

I personally don't believe even BHO will strip you all of your entire arsenal . . . just impose tighter legislation.

The issue is that Americans have a right to bear arms, but no one needs assault rifles - just something that makes them feel more secure in their ability to defend themselves and their property - IF need be . . . BUT Americans ALSO have a right to free speech, including the demand for stricter gun control. And NEITHER side has the right or reason to tell the other to get the hell out of America JUST BECAUSE they disagree!

But that is EXACTLY what gun fanatics are doing.

The problem is on one hand you say we have the right to keep and bear arms, but then want to limit it by saying "no assault rifles". If you can proceed on that basis, then we can proceed in limiting your free speech in whatever way we see fit.

The frantic and hysterical gun fanatics in America are not just angry at Piers Morgan - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Morgan as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to bear arms and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to free speech.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, rednecks, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of violence, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families.

It's one thing to want to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in what is an increasingly violent world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more violence and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and FALSE PATRIOTS.

OP is some posturing LGBT flamer!

No, it's not pot stirring and the thread is not about or meant to be about division . . . it's making a point about the hypocrisy of this gun debate and how a little nothing like Piers Morgan has all these people shaking in their boots, all the while proclaiming what patriots they are.

It is these harping, whining fanatics who are dividing this country. And they are just ONE faction - there are others like political fanatics and religious fanatics and racists.

WHY can't Americans live by the creed of decency and honor and common sense?

The frantic and hysterical gun fanatics in America are not just angry at Piers Morgan - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Morgan as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to bear arms and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to free speech.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, rednecks, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of violence, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families.

It's one thing to want to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in what is an increasingly violent world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more violence and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and FALSE PATRIOTS.

I'm one of those "Gun Fanatics" you speak ill of.

Now I respect, and will defend to the death, your right to freedom of speech. You can hold whatever belief you want, just so long as you afford me the same respect. The rub is that my right to have modern small arms to aid me in defense of self, family, and property, is not granted by any government or person. Nor is your right to have, and convey, any certain viewpoint, or belief, granted by any government or person. See, they come from nature (or God) and as such are inalienable.

It's not so much that we're being hypocritical (honestly, I don't give a damn what a tv face says) it's that you're trying to strip my ability to protect my family from me, and that's not within your authority. So our side is doing what it can (within the system) to get you off of our backs.

I don't want you to leave the country, or even to be quiet and go away. My wish is for you to leave me and mine alone. If you and your kind can not simply let me be, then let us divide the nation so that we may all be free to live under whatever system of government we chose. You know, like the States were before the federal bastards decided that they wanted unlimited access to, and control of, every damn thing that goes on in this country.

You do not have the right to be protected from all possible harm. You do however have the inalienable right to defend yourself, by using the most efficient tools available, and not be punished in the course of doing so.

See the difference?

Your feeble attempt at being "clever" - at the expense of the gist of MY post - is a giant, miserable FAIL.

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Thanks for proving your close-minded, bigoted lunacy.

You are one of the few that get it...Most of them are anger filled people looking for an excuse to hurt people. Fact.

Got a link to your peer reviewed studies on this? Your own documentation with footnotes?

No bro...it's called using logic...knowing a lot of people. Having many people tell me what they'd do and who'd they hurt the second the shit hits the fan. I had a guy sit and almost pray for it to go down so he could go kill the guy up the road and another guy at the gas station that he doesn't like. He's just one of 5 dudes I know that have the same mentality. People have had enough of this entire fucked system. It doesn't take a peer review study or document with footnotes to see it you smart ass. You feel all high and mighty after trying to discredit what simple logic spells out to anyone that's paying attention.

The frantic and hysterical gun fanatics in America are not just angry at Piers Morgan - they want ANYONE who doesn't believe as they believe to either shut up or leave the country.

They are using Morgan as a scapegoat, but the truth is, they want THEIR right to bear arms and they want to DENY those with oppositional viewpoints the right to free speech.

These fanatics live their lives shrouded in a veil of self-proclaimed patriotism, but they are nothing more than a motley mix of bullies, cowards, rednecks, and non-intellectuals, and too many of them create and encourage a culture of violence, not just throughout society, but in their own homes and families.

It's one thing to want to be able to defend yourself and your loved ones in what is an increasingly violent world, but it's another to become obsessed and to cultivate hate and more violence and to be so hypocritical as to pitifully lean on the constitution while at the same time disrespecting it in its entirety.

Such people are lowly citizens and FALSE PATRIOTS.

As if that is a bad thing.

I'm one of those "Gun Fanatics" you speak ill of.

Now I respect, and will defend to the death, your right to freedom of speech. You can hold whatever belief you want, just so long as you afford me the same respect. The rub is that my right to have modern small arms to aid me in defense of self, family, and property, is not granted by any government or person. Nor is your right to have, and convey, any certain viewpoint, or belief, granted by any government or person. See, they come from nature (or God) and as such are inalienable.

It's not so much that we're being hypocritical (honestly, I don't give a damn what a tv face says) it's that you're trying to strip my ability to protect my family from me, and that's not within your authority. So our side is doing what it can (within the system) to get you off of our backs.

I don't want you to leave the country, or even to be quiet and go away. My wish is for you to leave me and mine alone. If you and your kind can not simply let me be, then let us divide the nation so that we may all be free to live under whatever system of government we chose. You know, like the States were before the federal bastards decided that they wanted unlimited access to, and control of, every damn thing that goes on in this country.

You do not have the right to be protected from all possible harm. You do however have the inalienable right to defend yourself, by using the most efficient tools available, and not be punished in the course of doing so.

See the difference?

As if that is a bad thing.

How do YOU define a US Patriot?

For me, it's simple.

A US Patriot is one who fully supports the Constitution for the united States.

End of.

Being English, you may have some knowledge to share. I am most interested in the definition odf Seditious Libel. Under this definition, I think the US has a case against Morgan.

In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

Seditious libel was a criminal offence under English common law.[1] Sedition is the offence of speaking seditious words with seditious intent: if the statement is in writing or some other permanent form it is seditious libel. A statement is seditious if it "brings into hatred or contempt" the Queen or her heirs, or the government and constitution, or either House of Parliament, or the administration of justice, or if it incites people to attempt to change any matter of Church or State established by law (except by lawful means), or if it promotes discontent among or hostility between British subjects. A person is only guilty of the offence if they intend any of the above outcomes. Proving that the statement is true is not a defence. It is punishable with life imprisonment.

Screw the US, I'm a Confederate!


PS
I also have a better claim to the British throne than that usurper you call queen.