WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT YOU GUN CONTROL FOLKS.... | |
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*HEISENBERG* (OP) User ID: 30143760 United States 12/27/2012 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mayor Bloomberg is very big on gun control. He wants everyone to turn in their guns. meanwhile he is protected 24-7-365 by armed men. I'm sure Soros has the same type of protection. Do as I say not as I do. Quoting: indiandave I hear ya, which is why I don't get it.... Why side with every dictator ever? It must just be an emotional reaction being used more than logic.. |
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*HEISENBERG* (OP) User ID: 30143760 United States 12/27/2012 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yea I hear ya. Did you see the video from the Sacramento mall yesterday? There was a fight in the food court, signs fell and tables fell, that caused loud noises and the whole mall freaked out. They thought it was gunfire and everyone was running for their lives. Everyone has allowed themselves to become scared helpless lambs. |
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Monk Meat User ID: 23229603 United States 12/27/2012 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lets set aside the "NWO" crap for a moment. Let me say that I fully support the second amendment. I don't feel that responsible gun owners, who make up the VAST majority of gun owners, should be punished for the actions of a few lunatics. I know many so-called "left" people who don't necessarily want America to be disarmed/unarmed. I think that, although there are obviously some anti-gun people and organizations out there, generally, most people are fine with the second amendment. I think the whole "left wants America unarmed" is a bunch of bullshit that's being drilled into people by right wing talking heads. I think the issue here is the term "assault rifles." There are those, on the left and right, who want restrictions on these "assault rifles." What many don't seem to realize though, is the term "assault rifle" was used in the 1980s by the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, where they exploited the public's confusion and ignorance of what an assault rifle really is. Here is a snippet from an article: (yes, I know it's associated with the NRA, but find falsehood in this article if you can) Historically Speaking The development of the rifle known today as the AR-15 started in 1956. The strategy to ban it was unveiled in 1988. At that time, Josh Sugarmann, former communications director of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, pointed out in a strategy paper that the media had grown tired of the handgun issue, but “assault weapons” would be novel to them. Further, he added in the memo, “The semi-automatic weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons” (“Assault Weapons and Accessories in America,” Education Fund to End Handgun Violence and New Right Watch, Sept. 1988). Sugarmann was exactly right. The gun prohibition groups successfully created and then exploited public confusion. In 1989, California was the first state to ban so-called “assault rifles” or “assault weapons.” The gun-banners did not use the term “assault rifle” in the proper technical sense—that is, an intermediate power combat rifle that has a selector switch so that the gun can fire either automatically or semi-automatically. Instead, the prohibitionists tricked legislatures into banning guns that could only fire as semi-autos, but which looked like selective-fire military rifles. [link to www.nrapublications.org] |
*HEISENBERG* (OP) User ID: 30143760 United States 12/27/2012 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lets set aside the "NWO" crap for a moment. Quoting: Monk Meat Let me say that I fully support the second amendment. I don't feel that responsible gun owners, who make up the VAST majority of gun owners, should be punished for the actions of a few lunatics. I know many so-called "left" people who don't necessarily want America to be disarmed/unarmed. I think that, although there are obviously some anti-gun people and organizations out there, generally, most people are fine with the second amendment. I think the whole "left wants America unarmed" is a bunch of bullshit that's being drilled into people by right wing talking heads. I think the issue here is the term "assault rifles." There are those, on the left and right, who want restrictions on these "assault rifles." What many don't seem to realize though, is the term "assault rifle" was used in the 1980s by the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, where they exploited the public's confusion and ignorance of what an assault rifle really is. Here is a snippet from an article: (yes, I know it's associated with the NRA, but find falsehood in this article if you can) Historically Speaking The development of the rifle known today as the AR-15 started in 1956. The strategy to ban it was unveiled in 1988. At that time, Josh Sugarmann, former communications director of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, pointed out in a strategy paper that the media had grown tired of the handgun issue, but “assault weapons” would be novel to them. Further, he added in the memo, “The semi-automatic weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons” (“Assault Weapons and Accessories in America,” Education Fund to End Handgun Violence and New Right Watch, Sept. 1988). Sugarmann was exactly right. The gun prohibition groups successfully created and then exploited public confusion. In 1989, California was the first state to ban so-called “assault rifles” or “assault weapons.” The gun-banners did not use the term “assault rifle” in the proper technical sense—that is, an intermediate power combat rifle that has a selector switch so that the gun can fire either automatically or semi-automatically. Instead, the prohibitionists tricked legislatures into banning guns that could only fire as semi-autos, but which looked like selective-fire military rifles. [link to www.nrapublications.org] Thank you for responding! I agree that not all on the left want to disarm America completely. That's why although I usually am hard on libtards, I didn't bring party affilation into the OP. I do know democrats who are gun owners. I get that. So are you saying you are for an assault Rifle ban? Or large clips being banned? |
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*HEISENBERG* (OP) User ID: 30143760 United States 12/27/2012 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Brainwashing. The same folks that voted a man into the world's most powerful position, without a qualifying resume. Ask any of them what part of O's resume they think most qualifies him to be president, you'll get a glossy eyed glazed look in return. Ask what statistic, or objective reason to ban guns, you get a 'cow at a new gate' look. Brainwashing at its finest. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6673466 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] You know, you are most likely correct. More and more it seems the answer to all these questions and problems is an uninformed ignorant public. |
Sleeping Giant User ID: 543618 United States 12/27/2012 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Brainwashing. The same folks that voted a man into the world's most powerful position, without a qualifying resume. Ask any of them what part of O's resume they think most qualifies him to be president, you'll get a glossy eyed glazed look in return. Ask what statistic, or objective reason to ban guns, you get a 'cow at a new gate' look. Brainwashing at its finest. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6673466 [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] I agree with this. Wake up, oh sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you |
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Epic Beard Guy User ID: 26240425 United States 12/27/2012 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with gun grabbers is the fact that they will kill people to make their point. Look at Port Arthur. There is no way a retarded boy killed all those people with perfect head shots. There is speculation that Newtown may have been the same kind of set-up. I don't know how much of our recent problems have been arranged by by Barry and Hillary, but it is looking a little too convienient. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
*HEISENBERG* (OP) User ID: 30143760 United States 12/27/2012 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with gun grabbers is the fact that they will kill people to make their point. Look at Port Arthur. There is no way a retarded boy killed all those people with perfect head shots. There is speculation that Newtown may have been the same kind of set-up. I don't know how much of our recent problems have been arranged by by Barry and Hillary, but it is looking a little too convienient. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy Yea, theres another aspect we havn't looked at yet in this thread... The possibility a lot of these incidents are staged. Thanks Epic Beard Dude! |
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Epic Beard Guy User ID: 26240425 United States 12/27/2012 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever thought that gun ownership could just give you an illusion of freedom or security? Quoting: Ostria1 And do you know what "civilian" means? The freedom may be an illusion, but the security is absolutely real. Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 15121261 United States 12/27/2012 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem with gun grabbers is the fact that they will kill people to make their point. Look at Port Arthur. There is no way a retarded boy killed all those people with perfect head shots. There is speculation that Newtown may have been the same kind of set-up. I don't know how much of our recent problems have been arranged by by Barry and Hillary, but it is looking a little too convienient. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy I try to look at most issues like a detective. There are no coincidences and nothing is convenient. |
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Ostria1 User ID: 29325791 Greece 12/27/2012 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever thought that gun ownership could just give you an illusion of freedom or security? Quoting: Ostria1 And do you know what "civilian" means? The freedom may be an illusion, but the security is absolutely real. Well its not exactly so. Lets say we have burglars.. they may steal but they rarely shoot to kill (the same with bank robbers etc). If they know or suspect that you carry a gun they will probably kill you at site. Ostria |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15121261 United States 12/27/2012 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever thought that gun ownership could just give you an illusion of freedom or security? Quoting: Ostria1 And do you know what "civilian" means? The freedom may be an illusion, but the security is absolutely real. Well its not exactly so. Lets say we have burglars.. they may steal but they rarely shoot to kill (the same with bank robbers etc). If they know or suspect that you carry a gun they will probably kill you at site. Probability or probably? |
Ostria1 User ID: 29325791 Greece 12/27/2012 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever thought that gun ownership could just give you an illusion of freedom or security? Quoting: Ostria1 And do you know what "civilian" means? It seems you are tip toeing around the question. Im not, I just try to express my thesis on this. In my country we have seen all, a civil war and a couple of dictatorships. The civil war right after the end of WII was between two groups of people who had guns (right and left) and they were military groups, still the civilians were more or less safe. The last dictatorship was imposed with no killings at all. Not a gun shot. Nothing. Then the revolution came by underground resistance not military comfrontation. If you look at the main event that lead to the end of this dictatorship, that is the Polytechnic uprising, we had tanks against unarmed people (students mostly but also builders and other groups that revolt). I dont want to imagine what would happen if we had guns.. guns against tanks? So I think you need people who are alert, who are brave and determinded. And anyway, if there ever be a need for guns, we know where they hold (stock) them. But while we are in peace i find it very upseting to have strangers walking around me with guns for their own protection. Ostria |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15121261 United States 12/27/2012 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever thought that gun ownership could just give you an illusion of freedom or security? Quoting: Ostria1 And do you know what "civilian" means? It seems you are tip toeing around the question. Im not, I just try to express my thesis on this. In my country we have seen all, a civil war and a couple of dictatorships. The civil war right after the end of WII was between two groups of people who had guns (right and left) and they were military groups, still the civilians were more or less safe. The last dictatorship was imposed with no killings at all. Not a gun shot. Nothing. Then the revolution came by underground resistance not military comfrontation. If you look at the main event that lead to the end of this dictatorship, that is the Polytechnic uprising, we had tanks against unarmed people (students mostly but also builders and other groups that revolt). I dont want to imagine what would happen if we had guns.. guns against tanks? So I think you need people who are alert, who are brave and determinded. And anyway, if there ever be a need for guns, we know where they hold (stock) them. But while we are in peace i find it very upseting to have strangers walking around me with guns for their own protection. This Nation has been violent since its birth. It remains that way today. Sorry OP, not trying to step on your toes. |
*HEISENBERG* (OP) User ID: 30143760 United States 12/27/2012 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you ever thought that gun ownership could just give you an illusion of freedom or security? Quoting: Ostria1 And do you know what "civilian" means? It seems you are tip toeing around the question. Im not, I just try to express my thesis on this. In my country we have seen all, a civil war and a couple of dictatorships. The civil war right after the end of WII was between two groups of people who had guns (right and left) and they were military groups, still the civilians were more or less safe. The last dictatorship was imposed with no killings at all. Not a gun shot. Nothing. Then the revolution came by underground resistance not military comfrontation. If you look at the main event that lead to the end of this dictatorship, that is the Polytechnic uprising, we had tanks against unarmed people (students mostly but also builders and other groups that revolt). I dont want to imagine what would happen if we had guns.. guns against tanks? So I think you need people who are alert, who are brave and determinded. And anyway, if there ever be a need for guns, we know where they hold (stock) them. But while we are in peace i find it very upseting to have strangers walking around me with guns for their own protection. That is an important statement. It's fear, you shouldn't be afraid. |