Anybody here enjoy a good debate?

So...lets Debate then

Haha fair enough. You start!

Last Edited by LSDreamer on 01/03/2013 12:29 AM

Hmmm, I'm Catholic...let me get back to you on that.

There's a lot of hell noes that immediately come to mind....but it's based on emotions at the moment.

Let me know :)

Oh, you want an argument? That's down the hall, this is abuse.

Religion is the last safe haven for pedophilia.

You want to spank me?

I used to until in high school and college I discovered the true purpose of debating.

They were training us to passionately defend some issue we maybe didn't even believe in, so that when one day, when one of us actualy made it to parliament, we'd fit right in that phony show of fake outrage and phony moral conviction.

Debating robs you of your soul. Some kids may find it fun, like I did way back when, but all it does is hollow you out in the end.

I'm talking structured debate here, not honest conversation about issues.

Even after Frys very witty final comment about Whiddecombes continuing refusal to acknowledge or having even a meaningful comment on the rape and torture of children, she goes right ahead and says and I'm paraphrasing here; "at least we have family values". No ma'am, you do not.

The Catholic Hierarchy are child rape apologists and should be shunned whilst there are still known pedophiles hiding within the Vaticans walls.

Of course it would if you debate topics you don't believe in. I wouldn't even see the point of it.

I love to debate

a BIG debate

A HUUUUUUUGE debate

lots of debate

Mass debate!!

Catholics and JudeoChristians suffer from the same illness. The catholic has bound himself to satan through the Whore Church of Rome. The Judeo is mated through the Synagogue Of Satan.

The bond satan has them in is so strong, no matter how much scripture you show them, how much logic you try to pound into them, nothing can tear them away. As long as the devil can give them one reasonable sounding lie, they'll ignore 1000 truths to stay with their father the devil.

It's quite amazing really when you see it in operation. Gotta give satan credit.

Instead of debating which could sink into an abuse match, how about a rousing dialogue?

Let's see, ... "Is Catholicism more about a Creative God or a Redemptive God."

Sounds like most church go'ers No matter how much scripture they read and how much bs is pounded into their head they still flock in groves to listen to wolves in sheep's clothing spinning metaphors they know nothing about to the lords flock. The point of religion is to get to you not notice your true relation with the universe and instead fix your being on someone "godly" outside of you.

The holy land is us.

I was in debating societies and much of the time you're just randomly assigned to a topic and a stance. Then it's up to you to do your best research, plot tactics, set traps to win the debate. It's considered a debator's crowning glory to argue a position he doesn't believe in and still win. That's the one you take the greatest pride in winning. Until you realize it's making you empty. If you're lucky you one day come to realize it. Most never do.

If you ever have kids you keep them away from that.

The redeemer complex almost permeates all main stream religions. They all stem from Judaism in the first place no matter how much certain sects want to deny this fact. They are all Yahweh. and they all share his same schizophrenic mind set. love, hate, reward, punishment.

Yahweh is undoubtedly a sadomasochist, sociopath, schizophrenic. Probably one of the most unlikeable characters in all fiction.

There's nothing quite like mass debating :-)

LOL. I just spit my coke out.

LOL. So why don't you tell us how you really feel?

What I can tell ya is that both religions have instilled a whole lot of guilt in us. We were raised to be scared shitless and tormented with guilt. A real feel good and common bond.

Actualy it's a carrot and stick proposition. Hope for a better afterlife is the carrot, hell is the stick. God's no dummy. Everybody knows the carrot and the stick work together and when they're separated they don't work at all.

They put the seceret out for everyone to discover but on the other side of the coin they are simply sheep in wolves clothing protecting the seceret its import to realise who Paul is. It’s not a literal person. It’s a gnostic school of thinking, it’s esoteric wisdom. Whoever it was, it may have been a bunch of guys, it may have been a school, it may have been Apollo, because that’s what it means. There are four castes according to the freemasons. We live under a free masonic system whether you like it or not. According to this system, there are four spiritual castes of humanity. There are Hebrews at the top, and there is a caste above that – it’s called the Kelios, the perfected ones, and there are very, very few of those. And then the Jews, and then the Israelites and guess who’s way, way down at the bottom? The Christians. They’re the foot soldiers. “Off you go to war. We will make the uniforms as we’ve done before.” It’s not a race, it’s a caste. Paul was a Hebrew and a Jew but he was not aware of the Telios rank above him but he was definitely one of these free masons who knew the Secret Science. And the Sacred secret is the Christ within, not the Christ without because there never was one.

There was never a 3rd party savior. That was an invention of Rome. That’s a 3rd party debt collector (through tithing the church). The justice system, when they herd you into court for their inquisition, they love the bible. It will enslave you or it will free you and they use it for enslavement. They use it for their god, Saturn, and that’s why they want you to swear on the bible because they’re going to get you with it. They know the esoteric, historical Christ, the 3rd party debt collector, is the one who they swear on to collect all of their taxes and their “donations”.


The moon is the church and she turns humans, literally, into animals because she is the guardian of the first ring, the first heaven and when our soul seeks to ascend (it’s not the rapture that the Christians are talking about, ascension is within. When the soul seeks to ascend, the moon is the first guardian and then there’s second heaven and Mercury guards that heaven..,. and then Venus, the Sun, Mars and then Jupiter, the “good Jupiter” and then Saturn. They are the rings that which our soul departs from on back to Uranus, the Father of Saturn. Back to the heavens whence we came. But the moon, she’s down at the bottoms and she’s bouncing souls back to the Earth as animals, literally. Some of them incarnate as human beings but inside they are still, what the hermeticists call “unconscious human beasts” and these are the ones running around… the politicians, lawyers, judges and all of these scum of the earth. They operate a system that is putrid, evil, vile and foul and it’s about to be pulled down by consciousness. They’re criminals and in the churches, they’re doing the same thing. The church is turning those church-going buffoons that go to church for Jesus, the historical 3rd part debt collector and the savior that will never save because they don’t know the Sacred Secret that Paul was talking about which is the Christ within.


Under the inner cerebrum is the colostrum, otherwise known as the Holy colostrum because it secrets a fluid. Secretion and secret are the same word. The fluid goes through the pineal gland and the pituitary gland and differentiated into an electrical force. There are three nerves which go down the spinal column and they are the spinal cord, the pingala and the ida. The pingala comes from the pineal gland and it is electric and male and it goes down the spinal cord.

On the other side is the pituitary gland, it is feminine and it is “Mary”… “Jospeh and Mary, the honey and the milk because they secrete honey and milk, respectively. She sends down a magnetic energy. The fluid goes all the way down to the sacral chakra, the second bottom chakra, below the solar plexus. Sacral is the word secret and the secret is upstairs in heaven, in the cerebrum, the holy colostrum, or in other words, the Santa Colos-trum and you’ve got to go all the way down the chimney to bring the present down to the sacred place where the sacred plexus is connected to the five sacral bones of the 33 vertebrae.

There are 5 sections of the vertebrae. The second most bottom section is 5 fused vertebrae called the “sacrum vertebrae”, so this is the “Sacred Secret”. Every 29 and a half days, the moon will be in the sign that your sun was in when you were born. When the moon is there, in that fluid there is a seed born and it’s born in the solar plexus So every month, when the moon is in your sun sign, that “germ” is placed in Bethlehem. Bethlehem is the solar plexus. It’s the Virgo in the 3rd chakra, the solar plexus, the belly region. That’s Bethlehem, the house of bread. Virgo is the one who has the sheath of grain in her hands. Beth means “house” and lehem means “bread”. She is the virgin mother of the child, that seed that is born in the solar plexus every month. If we eat the fruit, drink alcohol or have sex during that time of the month, the seed is wasted, gone forever. The male with the ****** has just wasted the seed and he has spoiled that Christos secretion that came from Santa Claus, the colostrum, differentiated by the two parents of the child, Joseph and Mary who are awaiting the return of the Christ. If you don’t waste that Christ seed, you are able to then transmute that seed as it proceeds ever upward and returns whence it came.

What happens eventually is this fluid comes to a place called the pons and the medulla oblongata, which is one of the four brains of the human being. We have the cerebrum, cerebellum, medulla oblongata and the solar plexus. When it arrives there, it crosses the pneumogastric nerve: pneumo menaing air, or the lungs and gastric is the stomach. So this is the nerve that supplies the stomach and the lungs. If you look at it, it looks like a tree. And both of those nerves come from the pineal gland and the pituitary gland in one of the four chambers called the four ventricles in the brain. In between those two glands is the optic thalamus.

When the oil rises… the mercury in the thermometer… and it passes the pneumogastric nerve, it gets “crucified”. Joseph and Mary are happy that their son is crucified because unless he is crucified, he cannot save the world. You cannot be saved unless that oil touches the optic thalamus, which is shaped like an egg. The Greeks called it, “the light of the world”. That’s why Jesus said, “I’m the light of the world. No one goes through the father except through me” because the Father is the Cerebrum and we are longing to return to that part, to ascend. Because Aries dwells there, Aries is the right brain; Taurus is the left brain, the cerebellum. The medulla oblongata is the 3rd brain and the bottom brain, the solar plexus, is where most of humanity is still dwelling because they can’t get past Bethlehem. They can’t save that seed because they have been living riotously like the Prodigal Son and squandering that seed like Onan, the son of Judah… the son of Israel did with his seed and he was killed for it.