Christians Are An Evil Group Of People!

What are you talking about?

What am i wrong about?

So your openly saying that you will get joy when your god deems me unworthy of heaven?

How do you know I have not done any "good work?"

C'mon... again...

So you are openly saying

So you're openly saying


Why is this so hard for so many now?

How does one rebut bible quotes? I’d really like to know. You guys use bible quotes ad nauseum to back up your beliefs. Well, duh, that’s where your beliefs come from! That doesn’t mean that the bible is true or correct in every instance, or even at all.

Anyone can discern the wheat from the chaff in the bible. Pleasant sentiments, parables, sayings, metaphors and cool stories with a moral in there somewhere, are found in all cultures, often mixed in with nasty stuff – especially when it comes to a codified religion. Just about nothing the alleged Jesus character said is new (if anything?). Almost identical or verbatim statements appear in older religions and cultures etc. This tells me that the source of these things is most likely...the human mind. It would seem that we are born with an innate moral compass of some sort, the best parts of religions reflect and express this. The bad parts of religion also reflect the darkness in the human heart.

As I have said before, I am not an atheist, I’m an agnostic. I have an open mind and can accommodate a supreme being into reality as easily as there being no ‘God’ at all. It’s just that I find the God put forth in the bible and other religions to be an insult to such a being, if it existed, with the stated attributes. The traits attributed to God in the bible are purely human, and bear the hallmarks of what we would call a sociopath these days, amongst other things. A very unhealthy personality indeed. This is a God I should bow down to and worship, and this God wants this? Interdasting.

I read the entire bible years ago, as well as the Koran. I have spoken with a Catholic priest, a Jesuit priest, been to a few churches both Cathaholic and Protestant. I’ve spoken to Buddhist monks and an abbot and read a sort of Buddhist bible and other Buddhist literature. I’ve spoken with Christians, Muslims and Hindus. I also studied a bit of Judaism. In all of these, I found what I believe to be “goodness”, truth and common sense. I also found a lot of BS in all, according to my own innate sense of right and wrong, MY moral standards, which I brought with me from early childhood, before I even knew what religion and such concepts were. I always enjoyed learning about religion, as I would often find myself thinking “Hey, this person thinks just like me, so I’m not the only one!” Have you REALLY looked into what other cultures and religions say, WITHOUT using Christianity as a yardstick, sort of viewing them through a Christian lens? Is/was that even possible for you? I was fortunate in that I was raised in a home devoid of religion of any kind, so I was a ‘blank slate’ in that regard, free to think and investigate for myself.

Still, I don’t think I know it all, never said I did. I know bugger all about anything, despite my extensive study in all kinds of fields, both formally and for my own pleasure. The problem I have with religitards is that they say they DO have the answers and the truth, it’s in this book or that book, written by God – “...well, yeah, it was written by people, but God worked through them.” I see. Religitards preach THEIR gospel to us, and we have no right to question it, or make fun of it? We make fun of it because we find a lot of it to be utterly ridiculous. I hate to tell you this, but human knowledge has advanced since those ‘books’ in the bible were written and have since been cobbled together to make ye olde Holy Bible. Some things have held true to this day, in other ways our current opinion/consensus on what constitutes morality and a good way to live with our fellow humans has exceeded the nasty stuff (and even some of the good stuff) expressed in the bible and other religions (at least in the civilised world). Why can’t you see this? The bad things that happen in this world do not happen because the devil has a toe hold in our world, or because we won’t turn towards Jesus and Christianity. It’s simply because there are many defective people out there, some that us ‘regular’ folk could scarcely comprehend...



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I wasnt judging them by their actions im am saying that they worship an evil god.

I am on my phone. This is a conspiracy website where people talk about everything from dick size to the astral plane, nobody cares about spelling besides people like you who have nothing to critisize you on besides spelling. This isnt being put into a book, its a conspiracy forum.

Good is evil to evil people.

Good seems evil to evil people.

While you post is critical of Christians I don't have a problem with that at all, what does impress me is you being able to explain where you are coming from and a little about why you view is the way it is.


The Bible is meant to reinforce itself in that each major topic is covered in at least 3 places and those various passages (compared to a single verse) That it is done in subtle ways put the possibility of one man working on another's text when they writers didn't explain very much, adding a piece of information is not an explanation. Daniel even says he was writing things that he had no idea about what he was covering. Daniel ends ch:11 with what would be the event from 2Thess:2 where Satan is on a throne in Jerusalem claiming to be God and just a very few verses in that book about how that is defeated. The 12 books listed after Daniel were all written before Daniel was alive yet every one of those books has a prophecy that add some info about how the iron/clay kingdom is destroyed. What are the odds that 12 men could write something that meshes together perfectly before they know what event leads up to the things they are writing about. This could be a topic all by itself, Revelation adds a lot of info to the OT prophecies, for instance the time of the torment in Isa:65 is not known, Revelation tells us it will be 1,000 years. The time, times, and 1;2 a time in Da:7 is a reference to the 3 1/2 days that the two witnesses lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem. How many 'fill in the blanks' does Revelation have to have before it is seen as being 'odd' in that there are so many. Re:12 has 3 women in it, the first is Eve, the next is Mary, mother of Jesus and the last one is people who will have the seal of god that protects them from the events pertaining to the the bruise to the serpents head. The whole chapter cover what Ge:3:15 introduces. Again what are the odds that 40 strangers could come up with that sort of 'theme'?



There are about 24 references to 'the day of the Lord' in the books leading up to Daniel, does reading one of the passages tell you everything the other 23 cover or do you have to read all 24 to see how it fits together, if it even does. What would be the odds that all fit together quite nicely? The term Babylon should all refer to Neb, but another Babylon is mentioned in just the last few pages of the complete text. How do you sort that out? One big difference, God did not utterly destroy Neb's Babylon but He certainly does it to Satan's Babylon. Back to the odds of all those OT references, did it just dawn on the writer of Revelation to toss in another reference? I don't think so.


That's true, there was one resurrection in the OT, does that mean what the NT says happened null and void? This part would be better explored by point by point so I'll cut this part short. In the other flood stories does it mention 40 ft of rain, that would have dropped the ocean level by 5 fy and then back to 'normal' after a full year. Science says the oceans rose 450 ft once the ice started to melt, there should be 100's of flood stories but how many were from flood waters from the ocean rising in height, the Black Sea is one such flood so it is not the one in the Bible, it is a different one. On that issue you could even use the day is equal 1,000 years so from start to finish was 360 days and turn that into 360,000 years. What is both events happened, would that be something that only God could do?


I would say that is dependent on social climate, I'm sure Attila the Hun had a few things he would not do as he saw them as being 'wrong' and a son does imitate the father so a father in the Mafia is going to have kids that see nothing immoral about being part of that 'family'. It is what it is and we may see it as immoral but they do not. (generally speaking)


That should actually be an asset compared to an arrogant mind that is set once the person believes he has it all figured out. I have covered the 70 weeks in Daniel with many different Christians that usually believe 1 week remains to be completed, ask them how the doctrine would change if the 70 weeks was completed 3 1/2 years after the cross and they have no clue as to how it would change things. Some have explored that but even they get the same blank look when you say now put Rome (via Da:8) into the brass compared to being in the iron/clay and they also go blank. They read something that seems just complicated enough that they would see why they couldn't figure it out so that must be the 'right version' and anything else has to be wrong.



Christ does most of the 'bad things' all on the same day He comes back that God did at one time or another in the OT, it is called teaching by showing. John:5 even lets that info out. Do all the ones killed in the OT because God determined it fit into the group called (beheaded) for the word of God in re:20:4? It does so they will be alive if looking at the exodus events, the flood has them being resurrected at the GWT as the ones given up 'by the seas' as they all drowned. That is the way the Bible is put together.


Reading and understanding are two different things, to understand it you you have to flip back and forth through various passages depending which subject you are exploring. Like the children of light and the children of darkness. All that mmeans is one group has some understanding that a deception comes before the return so they see the return happen as Re:10 describes, the ones that do not know see the day arrive as described in Re:16 and that is the larger group and that also has a reason behind it.



A subject that would be better with some specific examples. Ever hear of old earth creation, day 1 ended in 4.0 B years ago, day 2 ended 400M years ago, day 3 was over 40M years ago and so on until the end of day 7 was 4,000BC, the time of the exit from the garden. When explored in more detail it makes for a better theory that what science has today. day 4 ended 4M years ago and that is when the earth had the rotation around itself and around the sun that it has today. That is a change from the end of day 1 when the suns caused the first day/night cycle on the sum. Too lengthy to fully cover in this post bur it does work and the only change is adding a zero in the 1,000 column making the days 10X longer or shorter depending which end you start at. Moses didn't know stuff like that.



Unfortunately that doesn't work as there are too many variables, you may agree on a few points but also disagree on many points. Granted you do have to take the mindset that the Scriptures and right and men's versions are wrong or you won't explore all the various possibilities.The right one falls into place, that is how you know it is the right one. Best example, the Gospel of John and Revelation was written by the beloved disciple and they were a disciple of John the Baptist and John was the last OT Prophet to be called by God. That means the Jews can reject all NT books except those two and having to use those two and blend them into all the existing OT books has lots of things fall right into place once you have a few markers to go by. The explanations in Da:7 and Re:17 do just that. It's a start but it is a very easy way to see how they fit together.



I left the Church when I was 12, I started reading the Bible for myself about 20 years later and it was only through discussions with others that I progressed past that point and it was a lot more questions than answers. Now I have lots of answers and the questions that I do come up with have answers that can be found quite quickly and none are terribly complex. For a long time I thought He wrote the verses in a poetry form for that purpose, now I'm more inclined to say the short sentences are used because He is talking to us like we talk to a 3 year old. (making it easier tom understand rather than condescending)



You check out what they promote, more than once they promote a verse as meaning something but when you go and read the whole passage it means something else entirely, or they will stop at the end of a chapter and promote a conclusion when the passage is part of the next chapter also. `The last 3 verses in Zec:13 belong to all of Zec:14 rather than the previous verses in Zec:13. (as one example)



Sure you do, but that also means you run the risk of mocking when you should be scratching your chin instead. Yes that means me, lol.



Guess what, computers make the Bible quite easy to research, like the term 'day of the lord' most people would be lucky to read all 24 in their lifetime and connect them all as being a reference to one event rather than many events not related to each other.



The Jews concluded what the OT meant before they had all the relevant information, that means they got it all wrong, add the two books I mentioned and the old theory is all gone but they are left with a much better one. They will never do that, not because it is wrong but because vanity stops them from being able to do that. The RCC could never admit that the writer of The Gospel of John and Revelation was written by a woman, their whole church would implode. (actually Priests and Nuns should be married and raising kids just like the flock. Men can preach and the women can run the interest free non-profit banks that cover the globe)



You would be surprised at what I can see, not always right at first but pretty clear by the time I ingest all the data I can find.(especially mechanical things)


You should try to break the habit of automatically throwing out the baby with the bathwater even though that is the right way to do it in 9 out of 10 times.

It's so simple to understand why somebody is an atheist, For instance you probably look at Gods like Zeus or Odin or many of the other countless Gods mankind has invented throughout history and dismiss them as being untrue because they are simply "myths" or maybe it's just because you believe your God to be the one true God which is a very biased claim to make in the first place, for instance the word you call God now was mistranslated from the word Elohim which is plural and stood for "Many gods" Not one so even there your bible is wrong, i mean many cultures throughout time have had many Gods and you don't believe in them so no Atheist needs to believe in yours either it's as simple as that, most religions are based off Sumerian tablets anyway including your bible, And Sumerian tablets are a lot more logical and less supernatural than the bible, and it doesn't exactly depict us as being special in any way since according to them we were the product of alien DNA manipulation to create a slave race, i mean they even have the story of Noah just with a few twists for god sake.

So my answer is this, i'm an atheist for the same reason you don't believe in other Gods.

Also by the way all you bible grippers for the last FUCKING time, quoting a book gives us no further proof of religion being true, the amount of religious people who take to quoting from the very book we don't believe in is so funny, it's a religious persons only defense with their inferior intellect(You can tell all religious people get annoyed that they can't just call their God to come down and do something because they are painfully losing the argument.)

My intelligent Atheist Brothers and Sisters.

I also wonder if religion is possibly some sort of carried down DNA defection where they are born to be gullible to religion, maybe we should do what the Spartans did and throw our religious people off a cliff to get rid of the disease.

Besides having a double digit IQ?


Myths can't build monuments with huge stones. Do you need some links to some of the biggest ones? Fallen angels certainly can, given the little we know about them they were in full control of the earth for about 1500 years. The book you love to hate (as it increases your intelligence to a higher level than it actually is) has that as being a time the whole earth was inhabited with being a fuck of a lot smarter than we are today. The flood dummied us down, so did the Tower of Babel.


If fallen angels can make us obey them why do you think there is nothing that can make them bend a knee?

Look the term up in a Jewish dictionary, one of the meanings is 'the one true God) The KJV prints it as GOD or LORD, those term only apply to the God in Ge:1:1. Any other rendering that uses a cap can also refer to that singular beings. No caps at all would be the fake Gods like fallen angels.


A man of importance and authority can be your lord. I get the feeling that having LORD and Lord in a single sentence would be unreadable to you when it mean, God and Christ. Still miss that no matter how many times the Bible shows you that angle.


When was the last time you had an original thought?


Didn't they have Gods, where are they now?


Explain the stone monuments in South America from their writings then.


Unlike fallen angels whose natural home is all areas further away than the moon. You seem to be clinging to anything as lng as it helps you dismiss what you cannot understand.


What are the 'few twists'? The Bibles says 22ft of rain on the land areas, that would lower the ocean level by 5 ft if the moisture came from there, raised it 5 ft if the moisture was taken from the ice-caps. When the high hills and mountain tops were covered it was 5 months before the mountain tops were visible, that is something science would support if the rain came down at the higher elevations as freezing rain or snow. Calling the flood 100 years in advance to the day was the 1st supernatural event of that story, is that covered in your version?


Good for you, now explain all the huge blocks of stones used in monument construction, take your time as there are lots of such monuments. Fallen angels were put in the Pit during the flood by 10,000 holy angels, now picture the world covered by them in that number for the 1300 years they ruled the earth, let alone what their children were capable of doing.

[link to morris108.wordpress.com]


So you can understand the Bible without opening it, you should be making your living picking winning lotto tickets.

You can't even add up the knowledge contain in these two references.

Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:
and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

Re:6:8:
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.

I assume if you were given 1/4 of the earth to rule over you would choose all the land area rather tham making the oceans the main part of your area. If not then you don't qualify as ruling material. lol


It's a big puzzle, to somebody who understands that it is easy to stitch all the various references together, for someone like yourself you flat-line when looking at the passages. Why do you take that as a sign that your are more intelligent?


If I can answer you questions about the Bible then the one with the answers in the more intelligent of the two, do the math.


That would be breaking the script. Thomas was a believer because he was given proof. How much proof would you expect to find when our period of time is based on reading a book? If that doesn't make you a believer then you get to wait until proof is available again, why does even that part escape you?


A group of one on your best day. lol

2/3 of the world will still be 'not sealed' even after 3 1/2 years of the world returning to a era where fallen angels ruled, they would seem to be the gullible ones. Not their fault as it is a determination rather than the result of free will.

Proclaim NOT the Hell of the Churches of Men... In Their Words is No Mercy Found, Only the Makings of Satan

1/14/06 From God The Father - A Letter Given to Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear


Thus says The Lord: Listen, all you churches of men! Shall I, even I, torment My beloved, those who are continually tormented by he who is and has torment in his vesture?!... Satan is the tormentor!...

By your own mouths have you unknowingly called your God, satan! Repent therefore, and mend your ways and your doings! Forsake all your corrupt and evil teachings!... Become again a child of God, and learn to walk uprightly in Me, leading others to Love, by love, not fear.
My children, the second death is that grave, from which one shall not be raised nor awakened. For they have been cast out, abiding in outer darkness, forever separated from God and their part in life. These know nothing at all, returning to that from which they were formed. Beloved, THIS is the eternal state of My punishment, for those who have chosen death; for they have rejected The Gift, wherein is life everlasting. So then those under condemnation are dead; in no way are they part of the living, nor are they living in torment... Their inheritance is lost, they have been blotted out, broken vessels of dishonor received by the earth once again.



Therefore, stop blaspheming your God!
And have greater understanding of My Mercy, which endures forever...

For My Son did sleep in the lower parts of the earth, His tomb,
For three days and three nights...

By no means did He descend
Into the evils of man’s imaginings!



HE IS THE PURE LIGHT!...

Never has He had any part in darkness!
Behold, He shall destroy it utterly!

For HE IS RISEN!...

And all those, who believe in Him and walk in His ways,
Shall also rise and live, meeting Him in the air...

And forever shall they be with their Lord and their God,
Where all shall find mercy and love.


For more search under google:
Letters from God and His Christ

I believe in Jehova's witness

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Thanks for taking the time to respond.

There is a mountain of evidence refuting claims of bible stories.

Exodus, a VERY important story for the believer can be demonstrated to be COMPLETELY false, not just a little bit.

Typing "evidence of exodus" (a neutral term) into google is all you need to do. One reasonable hit against it being true is here:

[link to www.askwhy.co.uk]

Read the first bit at the top, then scroll down to read a very detailed rebuttal of Exodus. This is just one source. The sources FOR Exodus are VERY week and ALWAYS come from a biased believer.

A neutral person, such as myself, can't help but come to the conclusion, based on the reliable evidence that I have seen, by experts in their fields, that Exodus never happened.

Since I am not an archeologist, linguist or historian, I trust that those with more knowledge than me in those areas (that don't have an agenda other than to seek knowledge), know better than I. Whether they are more intelligent than you, me, or my neighbour is irrelevant - it can't be disputed that they are more knowledgeable in their area of expertise.

As much as you understand the bible (or think you do), it does not mean that the bible describes reality. It describes a system of beliefs - a religion or religions. You say the bible is internally consistent - I would hope so, otherwise the COMPILERS of whatever version of the bible you are reading didn't do a very good job of choosing which books to leave in and which to discard! Even so, others claim the bible is riddled with problems (but I'll leave this for my next post).

The solid evidence AGAINST the bible being accurate in even mundane wordly events is overwhelming. So how can we trust it with the unknown, the unseen, when they can't even get the most trivial PHYSICAL, KNOWN things right?

Thus, it can reasonably be concluded that the bible is merely a collection of stories, written for certain purposes that only the authors know for certain.

As for the bible contradicting itself (rather than KNOWN, solid REALITY) - which is what this thread is about - it has been years since I read it and I don't study it currently, so I am not confident to speak of that myself. I will leave that for my next post, where I will add links to people that do comment on the inconsistencies in the bible...

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I'll now look at some other evidence for issues with the bible and Christianity. The source cited here is not the best or the most reliable, but it is a good start, a rough starting point. From these, you can google information yourself to find out more – just be certain to ensure that the source is reliable and credible if you want to get really serious – for example, write a thesis :-P

I will cite just one source below, as it has information on a number of bible topics, which are accurate enough and not too in depth. You should be able to absorb it all in an hour or two.

Exodus again: [link to rationalwiki.org]

For general stuff, look at the menu on the right, and links on the very bottom for more information. Non-believers will appreciate the humorous tone of the information, believers should not be offended as it is not over the top, like some of my posts in other threads :-P

Here is the link:

[link to rationalwiki.org]

Religitards, if you take the trouble to diligently analyse all sources of credible and reliable information against Christianity and the bible (and other religions and their texts in general), and you still fervently believe 100%, some of the possible reasons could be:

i) You have a comprehension problem and/or bad recall and are thus unable to make goodly comparisons (i.e., you’re a dumbass and have a shithouse memory)
ii) You are intelligent enough to understand what you are reading and can remember it, but you didn’t know the importance of the quality of the source of the information (i.e., you rely on sites like GLP for information, religitard sites authored by self-proclaimed keepers of the truth – either an individual or a group - usually a group headed by a nut-case individual. In short – your methodology is fucked and you would fail big time at university)
ii) You are intelligent enough to understand what you are reading and study credible and reliable sources (perhaps you are open to any source), but you still refuse to budge an inch that the bible and/or Christian doctrine could even possibly be bullshit – this is a pathological condition and you are totally gone and brainwashed :-P If you accomplished this all by yourself, well done! In this case, stay the fuck out of these threads as you are not capable of rational, evidence based, discussion. You will wallow in the bible and your religion only, probably using circular logic, pulling the *stuck-together pages of your bible apart to find the quote that you think nails it, ad nauseum.

*Due to constantly jerking off over it – you are enamoured and obsessed with your beloved holy book (insert preferred book here) and for you there can be no others...

N.B. Throwing off the shackles of religion will not turn your world upside-down or ruin your life. You will be free to join the rest of humanity with one less perceived division between you and your fellow humans. You will be able to view the wonders of the universe and existence through a more neutral lens, thus living a more well-rounded life and participating more fully with all people. You can still socialise with all your old friends (why not, if they are good people), provided they still accept you if you proclaim your apostasy openly. If they no longer accept you, don’t worry, you will gain way more friends than you lose ;-) Unless you are a cunt, in which case no one will want to hang out with you anymore :-P

NP, of course I do have an agenda for doing it. It has nothing to do with conversion of other but it does have a lot to with being able to say I have belief in God through the Bible and that I do have a (very) sound mind.



It is not more or less important than any other part, but there is a bulk of text that goes with it so any sincere study is going to be a long one which is why that will be a separate post. The verse in John:20 about Thomas having faith through proof doesn't just have to do with being able to touch Jesus physically. Proof of God is not going to be found no matter how many start digging in the ground. They would have better luck finding bones from that area and time and scanning them to see if any damaged parts had had 'repairs' done to it. That isn't a cop-out just stating that not finding proof is mentioned.





Okay, give me at least a few hours to get some half decent post assembled.


You may not be as neutral as you think, not being able to read and understand an then finding 'experts' that support what you 'suspect' isn't a recipe that is 100% infallible but at least it is a base to start from. You are also aware that all those articles have peer reviews so if you buck the main stream they can also end your career so it is not a benign system either.


And they probably hope to work in that field until they retire, there are a few who have gone against the 'system' and the same 'system' that promotes itself as being open minded will also blackball a member they disagree with. One such example was the person who originally promoted that the Pacific Northwest Scab-lands was created through one of more giant floods compared to slow erosion over long periods of time. The 'system' finally had to admit he was right but not before he was an old man and his career had been ruined from the time he first brought that up. That would be no different with Biblical scholars and maybe even more-so. I'll give you an example in the next post and see if you have ever heard it promoted before. It is the parting of the water event just so you know wjat to look for.


Jews decided what the OT meant by the time the exile to Neb's Babylon was over. Without having some parts of the NT their conclusions are in error, unfortunately that means all the way back to Ge:1:1.
(Gospel of John and Revelation were written by a disciple of John the Baptist, the last OT Prophet called by God himself) How receptive do you think they are to that opening sentence?


Easier to reply to if there is some kind of list to go by.


The 'authors' wrote every bit they knew so no they didn't have the whole picture. You wouldn't even promote that if these verse are 'on the table'.

Da:7:28:
Hitherto is the end of the matter.
As for me Daniel,
my cogitations much troubled me,
and my countenance changed in me:
but I kept the matter in my heart.

Da:12:8:
And I heard,
but I understood not:
then said I,
O my Lord,
what shall be the end of these things?



Fair enough, I'll refrain from doing that though as in those types of articles I don't always agree with all the writer is proposing and my version always seems to be just different enough that explaining that would take more time and space that just doing an on the spot reply.

Luke:21:24 was the official start of a period called 'the time of the Gentiles', Re"11 starts when there is 42 months (1260 days) left of that time. In that whole period of time vbelievers are gathered by 'faith alone' so how valid would that be 'if proof' could be found that show without a doubt that God existed? The vision of Moses and Elias was way off on a deserted mountain top just so that would not be seen (and believed). I assume you would agree if it had happened in the temple for the sermon in Matthew 23 that evenyts after that may not have happened the way it says it did.
The only proof they were given was the 3 days and nights in the grave so why expect that we would be given ample proof that the OT happened the way it says it did.


The Torah was an oral book given when Moses was around, Daniel and his 3 friends were the ones to first put int down as the written word so any and all errors that came from it being oral were removed and it became perfect again just as origimnally given in every word and phrase. Without that aspect the Torah is not a vaild reference beacsuer they could not have kept it to be the true word, How could they idf they lost track of the teachings to such an extent that God had Neb take them off the land as they broke the lease agreement.


The Bible doesn't promote that the 430 years in Egypt was without some influence but the 40 years in the wilderness would have removed that influence and they couldn't have strayed that much if they even remembered the God of Abraham. Idol worship was the first to go and that came with the 10 Commandments, those had to be in place before the (6 fingered) giants were killed off because from the time the 'sons of God' made their appearance and had children their laws were the law of the land. That is the same laws immortal men will be given in Re:21 and that those were vaild until the last giant (relative of the fallen angels) was exterminated (including all their animals)


Was that 4 1/2 centuries because that is how long they were in Egypt after a famine caused by God sent them there.
The law thing was the raeson they didn't take that route first, they went that way after they have the 10 Commandments given to them and they were still afraid and all the men over 20 were killed because of that fear.

The author doesn't give a reference for his opinion of why he can stste that God was afraeid they would bolt, it is his rationalization and it holds no water.

An angel of the Lord killed 185,000 soldiers in 1 night (2Ki:19:35:) if you want to know how murderous they could be.

.Ex:14:2:
Speak unto the children of Israel,
that they turn and encamp before Pi-hahiroth,
between Migdol and the sea, over against Baal-zephon:
before it shall ye encamp by the sea.

If you look these palces up on a map what body of water is between Migdol and Pi-hahiroth, the two Bittern Lakes and the narrow spot is where they crossed after a strong east wind blew all night long. Traveling lifgt Moses went off'raod while Pharoah would have had to stick to the main roads (the dotted lines)

[link to bibleatlas.org]
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Ex:14:21:
And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea;
and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night,
and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.

Slaves isn't even a term that is proper from todays words, they would be construction workers and ones in the service industries. btw that trip was to show them how to live in the nations that they destined to be scattered into once the bruise to the heel (the cross) was completed in prophecy and deed. Apaprently they know better than God but look at the exiles it has caused them to suffer because of it.



How many kingdoms record their defeats? Lets stay with 600,000 men, 600,000 women and 600,000 children as the number that left Egypt and the first calamity they suffered was when Moses came down with the new Law and the idol worshipers were killed.

Ex:32:28: And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.


The author is just offering an opinion, not a very good one either. How about if I end this one here before getting into the actual wars and once any discussion on this part is finished then that can be covered unless you have some that would be shorted and srtill cover you theme, your choice.

God is God He is awesome loving and careing full of compassion thrue with no floss everlasting for those who love Him did I say full mercy, He create mankind. satan rules the earth. God sacrifice Jesus to give people a chance to come back to Him. Jesus did everything on the Cross go through all that pain and suffering to save you and me. The ruller and deceiver of this world use people let them suffer and through them in Hell.God through you a rope if you dont want to grap that with both hands that is your own pride and ignorance that will make you drown.Christians are people that must endure suffering with the help of their God until its time to go home. Wow and we dont care what happen with us because we know that it will be all the suffering worth. There is still time you must be cazy to go to hell and say no to Heaven.

IF God exists, then I would agree that that God would be loving and compassionate.

However, the God described in the bible is a monster - FAIL!

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My favourite - Killing 42 youths because they mocked Elisha's bald head. A tad harsh? Naaah. I can feel the love.

The call to 'go up' was a reference to his father being taken by God, he was in mourning that is why he cursed the children. I take it that if you lost your father and somebody mocked the way he died a few days later you would take it all in stride, ...right? Of course you wouldn't no son or daughter would. Would you have picked up on that if you read the verses instead if reading the opinion of what it meant according to somebody with a set of blinders on?

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No, you have that wrong. An evil Christian is an oxymoron. Christians by nature are all about love and forgiveness. And no, its not about sending non-Christians to Hell. The whole thing is that if you aren't a Christian at the time of the rapture, you stay here on Earth at the time the Devil is set loose upon it. Terrible things will happen to those "left behind" (see the book of Revelations, Daniel, and John in the Bible) and the trials and tribulations those people will experience are designed by God for people to acknowledge He is the Alpha and Omega and turn to Him. Most anyone would have given up a long time ago on all us sinners, but God loves all of His people so much that He gives us all chances over and over again to reciprocate His love by accepting His son, Jesus, and coming to Him. Instead of just ending it for all the unrepentant sinners He will give everyone not taken up in the Rapture 7 years of terrible times to come to Him. I hope that everyone does. All you have to do to not be left behind is to acknowledge you are a sinner (everyone is), accept Jesus as your Lord and personal Savior who died for our sins, and ask for forgiveness for all your sins. Praying that you and all others who have not accepted God and Jesus do so before the Rapture to spare yourselves the tribulations of the wrath of God. God bless you.

OP: I will pray for you and for wisdom for you.

That is quite a generalization.

There are too many Christians that hold many various beliefs.

For instance, to me, HELL is complete and total separation from God.

Man is running the show here until such time as he realizes he is incapable of running the show. Once he realizes this and submits to God, then God will come back.

for all miracles that happened in the ancient times, there must be scientific papers which are still hidden from us.

they are not done by god, angels, nephilims, giants, fallen angels, or even satan.

there is a hidden knowledge that is hidden by 'the gods', the same group who called themselves 'elohim', for generations.

i refer to them as 'the gods' because naive people would think they are gods or angels.

Bur in modern day, they're just a bunch of ancient scientists (geologists, archaelogists, astronomers, etc)...

i bet they also learned that knowledge somewhere (egypt most likely) just like we learn maths from our school teachers.

why they hide the knowledge from us? because they dont want their man made god killed

flood- God didn't do anything until there were just Noah and his wife and 3 sons were the only 5 fingered people left on the planet, then in 40 days that was fully reversed. So what?? The ones killed are the ones that the sea gives up at the GWT and they are healed back to the state there mothers were, being 5 fingered again.

Sodom- God showing Christ how to control the same fire that will consume Satan's Babylon in just one hour.

Lot's wife- no witnesses to that fire, for Satan's Babylon some survivors will see it from the nearby mountains, same fire but these survive as they are meant to be the witnesses. Same fire returns and consumes the rest of the planet after the 1,000 years and this time the people are inside the fire.

Onan- The first born son is supposed to have a heir, if he dies before that then his brother is supposed to complete the task he was not able to do.

First born of Egypt- a precursor to God killing His first-born to cover His sins against His own Laws.

Egyptian army- the plagues and this last event are the model used for the 7 vials in Re:16, the last are the remnant of men killed by His sword. Because that involved hardening Pharaoh's heart.

The rest of the list is not much different, the civil wars were a way to increase who would be resurrected without making Israel a 'great nation' back in it's day. The relatives of the children taken captive will also be raised as belonging to whichever one of the 12 Tribes the child was married into.

Return- 2/3 of the living at the time the 7th trump sounds because they are under deception and are unrepented. They are given pardons at the GWT as they have completed the full punishment designed for them. The ones alive for the 1,000 years are a static population as they will reside in New Jerusalem after the New Earth starts and the rest of mankind will build their homes outside of the city walls and the new earth is the universe so that is how big it will be. The 2/3 of the holy Angels will enter their New Heaven, the 3rd heaven which is where God was when the heaven and earth were created.

Satan and the Lake-fallen angels being sent to the lake, the same ones alive at the end of the day the two witnesses were resurrected are the same ones alive when Satan is released. The people are perfected at that point and they are there to witness Satan and the fallen angels being sent to the fiery lake.

The Bible only covers events associated with the creation of the heaven and the earth until the time there is a new heaven and earth. It does not cover God and the Holy Spirit before they were married nor doe it cover their parents.

The people of the Re:20:4 are like Angels when they are resurrected, they are not given in marriage so that is a static population even when the enter their final home, new Jerusalem and they will remain static in number or they would eventually outgrow the city. Angel were created as not being given in marriage in this heaven, if people are in the new earth and know about good and evil the the rules are changed and when the angels are in their new heaven (and perfected) then they can be given in marriage (made one) and have one child, just like God and the Holy Spirit begat Christ.

With the dating of the creation being 10x greater as you go backwards and day 1 ending 4BTA then it began 40BTA which is when the material began to be gathered for the big bang some 14BYA. That being caused by the not so gentle 'merging of two black hole type of objects'.

Ge:1:1:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Re:21:1:
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth:
for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away;
and there was no more sea.

Re:21:6:
And he said unto me,
It is done.
I am Alpha and Omega,
the beginning and the end.
I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

So, you're saying that God created the world so that He could just control everyone and everything in it? If this is so, how do you suppose you are able to write this, defaming such an all powerful God? Wouldn't such a tyrant have killed you already? No, your free will to defame Him in such a way is proof positive that He allows men to choose what to believe and how to live and intervenes and reveals Himself to those whom choose to seek and know Him...all the rest, I am afraid is man's doing, for we know that the majority of this world has not chosen for Him and so we see what a world without Him looks like.

Stop passing the buck and take some responsibility. I love how unbelievers choose not to believe or accept God , but turn around and use Him as their excuse and platform on proving He somehow doesn't exist and yet is to blame.

You guys are quite confused and illogical.

But if you do question and test everything - enter the inquisition. Most protestants would tell you they never did that stuff, but it just ain't true, and hell would they just love it if they could still torture and burn people to death who dare question and test anything they say - even when they say "question and test everything".