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Why there are TWO gospels in the New Testament
This explains why God allowed and sent two gospels in the New Testament. They can't be reconciled, although over the last 2000 years many efforts have been made to explain the contradictions.

It is deliberate and intentional, it's the same reason really that God allowed the tree of good and evil to be in the garden of Eden - it's our choice who we listen to, God (Jehovah, Jesus) or man or the snake?


Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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It's good for Israel. That's all you need to know.
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It's good for Israel. That's all you need to know.
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That's a misnomer. God divorced old Israel and scattered them among all nations. Hence, almost any of us could be descended from a tribe of Israel. People have this confused commonly with 'Jews', a name derived from the tribe of Judah.

Deuteronomy 28:64 Then the LORD will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods--gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.

Eze 36:19 And I scattered them among the heathen, and they were dispersed through the countries: according to their way and according to their doings I judged them.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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There are two gospels because the rock was tapped twice in the New Testament, just like the rock was tapped twice in the Old Testament.

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This explains why God allowed and sent two gospels in the New Testament. They can't be reconciled, although over the last 2000 years many efforts have been made to explain the contradictions.

It is deliberate and intentional, it's the same reason really that God allowed the tree of good and evil to be in the garden of Eden - it's our choice who we listen to, God (Jehovah, Jesus) or man or the snake?


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The LAW proved that we need GRACE. By GRACE are we saved, not by WORKS (OF THE LAW); Jesus paid it all. No one except Jesus has ever been able to keep all of the law. That is why He came and redeemed us from the law. We just need to accept and embrace His GRACE.
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They got lazy with their storytelling.
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It's good for Israel. That's all you need to know.
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Israel does not believe Jesus is the Messiah...that is what YOU need to know. You and Israel also needs to know that unless you believe that Jesus is the Messiah, God come in the flesh, you will die in your sins.

Israeli religion does not embrace the New Testament. Jewish religion does not believe the New Testament, even though all of the Old Testament is filled with pictures, with shadows foretelling Jesus, the Messiah, the ultimate sacrifice for our sins.

Isaiah 53 is the greatest defense of the Christian faith, of the gospel. Jesus came to save sinners. The roots of everything we know about the gospel is in Isaiah 53, but when the Jews read it, they are BLIND to it!

It's amazing that when they read in the old testament, Isaiah 53, written 700 years before Jesus was born, ( it describes the gospel perfectly) that bells don't start ringing and deafen them.
The entire old testament tells them "Someone is coming. A Savior is coming. The Messiah is coming." and in Isaiah 53, when they read it, they are still blind and cannot see that it describes the coming appearance of Jesus, the description of Him on the Cross; it describes His crucifixion along with Psalm 22 and Isaiah 50 and shows that the Lamb of God offers Himself for man's sins. It foretells the silent sufferings of Jesus, describing perfectly what happened to Him on the Cross.
It is the gospel according to Isaiah, the plan of redemption and work of redemption are described perfectly.

This one chapter is probably the clearest, fullest, richest explanation of the death of Jesus in the Bible.
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The LAW proved that we need GRACE. By GRACE are we saved, not by WORKS (OF THE LAW); Jesus paid it all. No one except Jesus has ever been able to keep all of the law. That is why He came and redeemed us from the law. We just need to accept and embrace His GRACE.
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That responce is exactly moulded around one of two gospels - the 'Gospel of Grace'. But it is the same as the gospel of Jesus Christ. Did you watch and read through the presentation? It explains why God sent both Gospels.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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There are FOUR gospels in the New Testament.
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There are FOUR gospels in the New Testament.
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Correct. Is a person in Israel is Messianic, then they believe in the Messiah.

You can put them all in the same boat.
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The great "Paul" debate... Jericho, I respect where you're coming from, but have you taken into account what Peter said about Paul's words? This is what Peter said concerning Paul: "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

I understand Paul can SEEM to be contradictory to the rest of the Gospels, but once you understand God's character, it all becomes clear.

I'll give you an example of what I just said, and it's found in the wedding banquet parable. There are MANY more examples of such in scripture. God always roots for the underdog, or the prodigal son, for example, because in this way, no flesh can boast. This does not mean that He loves the eldest son any less, only that His mercy and the unfathomable riches of His grace may abound.

And were Paul to ever boast one day (not saying that he would) that he is "better" than others, he would now become the eldest son and his opposition the "underdog." It's all one cyclical, beautiful circle of life that the Creator has ordained according to His all-perfect wisdom.

Love to you, Jericho, and peace.
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The great "Paul" debate... Jericho, I respect where you're coming from, but have you taken into account what Peter said about Paul's words? This is what Peter said concerning Paul: "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

I understand Paul can SEEM to be contradictory to the rest of the Gospels, but once you understand God's character, it all becomes clear.

I'll give you an example of what I just said, and it's found in the wedding banquet parable. There are MANY more examples of such in scripture. God always roots for the underdog, or the prodigal son, for example, because in this way, no flesh can boast. This does not mean that He loves the eldest son any less, only that His mercy and the unfathomable riches of His grace may abound.

And were Paul to ever boast one day (not saying that he would) that he is "better" than others, he would now become the eldest son and his opposition the "underdog." It's all one cyclical, beautiful circle of life that the Creator has ordained according to His all-perfect wisdom.

Love to you, Jericho, and peace.
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I appreciate what you're saying and definitely the love you've shown in saying it... thank you.

I did cover Peter's comment in my presentation. It all comes back to two Benjamin Sauls - one OT, one NT. Both were sent by God as an 'alternative' for rejecting him (in the NT, rejecting his gospel as given in the flesh). Would not Peter have called Judas Iscariot a brother in Christ and fellow disciple, yet we knew he was a devil? Did not David refuse to kill King Saul because he was God's anointed?

Look at these two accounts of scripture, they cannot be reconciled:

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. 25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way? 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

James says Abraham was justified by his works and Paul says he wasn't. Two gospels, both sent by Jehovah.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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There are FOUR gospels in the New Testament.
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Yes, four gospels of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. In Jesus gospel we are told things such as:

Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matt 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 

1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
(no body wants to teach this one now, do they?)

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Matt 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

These are among the testimony and gospel of Jesus Christ. If you believe on Jesus as your Lord and saviour, then are you not expected to teach and do that which he commanded us?
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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Note also in Acts 13 Saul is also called Paul, but we are told 'Saul (who is also called Paul)..'

God never 'renamed' Saul as he did with Abraham and Jacob, and I see that is a common misnomer.

If you stay to the end of this video and you should see that there is NO coincidence that there are two benjamite Sauls in the bible. This is why God very deliberately said 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me'.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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There are FOUR gospels in the New Testament.
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count 'em...
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The God of the Bible is Satan. That is all.
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WOW! I have found a person who agrees with me that there are two Gospels. That is all we agree on. Paul did teach a different Gospel than the 12 Apostles. The Bible is clear on that. What most Christians today fail to see is the fact that Jesus came to the Jews first. The Jews were to be the light unto the Gentiles after the entire nation believed. At the stoning of Stephen Israel rejected Jesus. God called Saul/Paul to be his messenger for the Gentiles. The message given to Paul was kept secret since the beginning. In Acts chapter 15 Peter, James and the others agreed that Paul was called to be the Apostle to the Gentiles. The message was pure Grace and anyone that believed in the death burial and resurrection would be saved. God gave Paul the ability to do miracles and signs to prove the message is from God. After the rapture takes place God will turn His attention back to Israel and the Gospel of Grace will be complete. The Body of Christ is the new creature that God revealed to Paul and would be made up of both Jews and Gentiles. The Body of Christ will inherit heaven while the believers saved under the 12 Apostles message will inherit the earth.

I hope this helps someone. It is brief and to the point.

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