Can an American citizen really "Withdraw Consent" from this government?

You can "do" whatever you want, but they will either ignore you or make your life unbearable.

You have to understand that "America" is no longer under the Constitutional Republic founded in 1776.

America was invaded and overthrown by European bankers who now own and run "America" as the corporate "United States."

So, all of us are really living in an occupied country where the invaders ARE A DICTATORSHIP by proxy who allows us the scant illusion of "freedom and democracy."

It's all bullshit, though.

I wrote a letter to the State Department expressing my wishes and, after some prodding, they sent a reply that I am NOT allows to renounce my citizenship while in the "US" and that I AM A SUBJECT (a subject, mind you.... only kings have subjects) of the "STATE" where I was born. They say I was born in the "U.S." but their definition of "U.S." only includes D.C. and U.S. Territories - NOT the several states - so I am, by their own definition NOT a subject of the U.S.

However, they will operated as if I (and you all) am a SUBJECT, when in fact we are NOT by informed consent...

Hence, we are victims of an invading foreign enemy who simply use the original STRUCTURE of the American government as a proxy.

There is a lot of info out there if you look it up. Most of it is in plain sight in government libraries.

Does that even apply to citizens by birth? We never took any oath to those guys (unless we're military or took an oath for some other particular reason.)

Very interesting. So I am a subject of a state I no longer live in, that I don't file taxes or any other correspondence with.

If I am a subject of that state, surely the state provides me some sort of protection or other benefit, otherwise I should renounce my subject-hood!

Where do I apply to renounce my subject-hood, the state capitol?

A joyful fantasy with no basis in fact.
Central governments in general, and the US Federal government in particular, asserts that it owns your body, mind, soul, income, property, and children.

Your failure to acknowledge this will result in your imprisonment and/or death.

It seems that the "federal" government does not recognize the several states. In fact is is very hard to find them references in any federal law. They simply operate as if everybody "knows" that they have jurisdiction in the U.S. when in fact they do not.

Once you start reading the actual laws and definitions, your mind will be blown.

I forgot to add that "STATE" in their definition refers only to the corporate U.S.. The Several States are basically ignored and all laws apply only to the U.S. (Wash DC) and US "Territory" which is Guam, Puerto Rico, a;; bases, etc... but NOT NOT NOT any of the several states.

It's really weird.

Move to Canada and bring the guns, and the blondes thats how

This is pretty close to the truth despite ZERO basis in actual codified law... unless you really stretch.

Basically, a person with a birth certificate become a US "vessel" that is then subject to US "law" as a "Territory."

A person with no paperwork, living in one of the several states is in fact foreign to the "United States."

You can read it all in official gvmnt books.

Are you guys talking about Renouncing Citizenship, or Soveriegn Citizenship?

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i was born in a commonwealth but have not resided there for most of my life. i wonder how that works.. although compared to the commonwealth states i love the state i live in now. it is not about states but about birthright(S).what of all of us who were born on military basses in the US too. so many questions and i bet even a constitutional attorney could not answer.i wished i could live under our original government too

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Because there are prescribed methods for both, but they are quite different...

Sovereign Citizenship is a major pain in the ass, and pretty much impossible to do if you plan to do business in the USA, drive on City, County, State, or Federal Highways, or have a job, etc.

If you're going to Renounce your citizenship, you better find a new country, because they may well tell you to leave the USA...

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haha...no- the real fantasy is the fedgov & all their paper games.

youve been punked, sucka

This is true. Look up SOVEREIGN CITIZEN. Lots of info on this perfectly legal concept which lands you in a bunch of hot water if you try it. But there are reports of people actually doing it; not sure how well this turns out.

You dont have to be so blatant in asserting your independence.

Of course they have made it near impossible. but... there is another way.

If they refuse to let you go, stay and make them pay dearly. You can always make your captors pay more to keep you in the system. Make your enslavemment a losing proposition.

PLAY the system. keep in mind and even keep a log, always take more from them than they take from you.

this is very good logic IMO ... I have been USING the system, all my life - instead of letting it use me ... as long as I "qualify" why not?

No you're right, there's plenty of legal precedent for Sovereign Citizen, we operate under the principals of British Maritime Law, so it's possible to legally do this. But then you lose access to banking, doing business for anything other than cash, driving, etc, etc.

It's a nightmare...

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When was your consent given in the first place?

govern = control
mente = mind

Probable stop being mind controlled any time you wish.
Like most things, just stop.

The FBI will consider you a 'domestic terrorist' if you do the things those in the sovereign citizens movement do. Read this link --notice they don't claim that the sovereign citizen stuff is illegal but they say some of the people do other illegal things and need to be watched.

[link to www.fbi.gov]

Freeman lives.



[link to www.youtube.com]

OP- You want to look into "Natural Person"

[link to www.natural-person.ca]

(that site focuses on Canada but somethings it references applies to the USA.)

I also reccomend watching the documentary "Ungrip" by Ben Anderson.

Natural person= a living soul a human being an artificial person is your name which reprsents an entity hence why all official documents bills, credit cards, statements, documents, government cards all have your name in ALL CAPS.

So the government tricks us into being the officer of the corporation and thus rules over us.

indeed, comply or they initiate violence against you.

I disowned the government a long time ago because they continue to put financial greed and lust for power before the American people not to mention the way they run around the world bending over backwards to help people that don't like us.

Let me make this simple to understand. FUCK THE US GOVERNMENT AND THE ROYAL HORSES THEY ROAD IN ON.YOU DON'T OWE THEM A DAMN THING AND THEY SHOULD BE THANKFUL WE HAVEN'T DRIVEN THEIR TREASONOUS ASSES OUT ON THE END OF A PITCHFORK FOR ALL THE CRAP THEY'VE PULLED.

We had a huge Freeman movement here in Texas, and in fact there are still some residual participants to the "Republic of Texas" movement, mainly in Tulia (that a weird fuckin' town), but then they started doing goofy shit like filing false liens with the Counties and false deeds, presiding over their own courts and convicting people in Absentia.

The Texas Rangers eventually shot and killed the leader of the movement , the self-styled President of Texas, in his trailer house down in Van Horn...

The Republic of Texas movement sortof drifted away after that...

go figure...

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OP,,

Look here for your answers.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

you consent when oyu sign something in your government name (don't have to use that) .. you can call yourself anything you want ... The government name is for the bonding of currency , commerce

You can't withdraw or renounce from something which is already an illusory conception. You are YOUR OWN PERSON. You are NOT YOUR GOVERNMENT. You are NOT YOUR COUNTRY. You are NOT YOUR STATES JURISDICTION. It's rather quite simple, my friend. Be transformed by the renewing of your MIND.

I did it...

The long and the short of it can be explained at this site:

[link to yourstrawman.com]

Bottom line...

We (the citizens of the U.S. and subsequently the rest of the world) have been tricked (over a long period of time) into a game of commerce.

There is only ONE law in the United States and that is COMMON LAW. Common law is basically the golden rule and states that every human being on the planet is entitled to their freedoms insofar as they maintain those very same rights for everyone else. The U.S. Constitution as was originally written spells this out.

EVERYTHING else is a statute designed within the framework of COMMERCE. These rules of commerce are based on the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) and are the LEGAL (not lawful) framework from which our country has been methodically subjected to. This process was intentional, treasonous, and probably the greatest fraud perpetrated on the world. So methodical was it's nature, that it took GENERATIONS to implement fully.

Here is the game: IF you enter into a contract with another party, you are subject (by agreement) to the rules of the contract. These rules are what the people in the United States and the rest of the world THINK are the laws of the land.

U.S. citizens have been entered into this contractual game at birth by the registering of your birth certificate with the corporation of the United States (and even your state, county, etc). Every time you sign your name for a driver's license, marriage license, or even pay a traffic fine, you are ENGAGING IN COMMERCE with these corporations (what we typically think of as government).

How is this possible? The United States entered bankruptcy (more than once) and sells the souls of it's citizens to the banks and lawyers. At birth, each citizen's birth certificate is used to create fictitious corporate account under which you (by playing along with it) agree to abide by.

The secret is NOT to engage in commerce with ANY corporate entity that you do not want to. How to do this?

1) Realize that money is fictitious and doesn't exist. Money (Federal Reserve Notes) can only be used in LEGAL COMMERCE. This can only be accomplished by two corporate entities who agree to play the game.

2) Realize that ALL lawyers, judges, and bankers have been trained for years to play this game and have long forgotten (due to generations dying off and forgetting) how it's supposed to work and are instead trained (in our educational system) to play the legal (not lawful) game.

3) Realize that you have LAWFUL rights but they are very different from LEGAL rights.

4) Know thyself. Know your enemy. REMEMBER WHO YOU ARE!

Peace.