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Excellent thread, W4H. This study, coupled with historical examples of societies that rejected God like Rome, Babylon, Sodom, and Gomorrah, draws a clear link between Godliness and prosperity, and between wickedness and destruction. If America continues down this dangerous path, it will follow the way of those historical examples, and will surely perish from the Earth. I only pray it is not too late to right the ship and correct it's course...
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Yup you make good points Rising Son. I pray for this nation, the world at large, and the lost every night. We're definitely at a defining moment.

By the way, the Kid who's blog the OP is taken from is Kieland Edmonds. There's a lot of fantastic articles on his there. His youtube can be found here [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
He's only got a couple videos but they are good.

Peace and blessings
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Thank you, I will check those out. Please keep up the Lord's work, you are truly one of His best servants, and you can be assured that He is pleased with you :-)
 Quoting: Rising Son


Well thank you for the kind words of encouragement. It's funny cause everyday I feel like I should be doing more for Him. Jesus Christ called me out of darkness, a broken heart, addictions, a lifestyle of promiscuity, and destruction. I owe him my life. Besides now that I know the truth, I want nothing more than to see other people get saved, and experience the joy and love I have through Him, all for His honour and glory.

See you around. :)
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Excellent thread, W4H. This study, coupled with historical examples of societies that rejected God like Rome, Babylon, Sodom, and Gomorrah, draws a clear link between Godliness and prosperity, and between wickedness and destruction. If America continues down this dangerous path, it will follow the way of those historical examples, and will surely perish from the Earth. I only pray it is not too late to right the ship and correct it's course...
 Quoting: Rising Son


So you're saying the Romans did not believe in God(s)??? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

hmm
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Why do you so consistently twist my words and try to ridicule me? What I said was that the Romans rejected God - the one true God - and they did so by disobeying His laws, and descending into iniquity and wickedness.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I'm not twisting your words and I'm certainly not attempting to ridicule you. I asked you a follow up question to better understand your comment. You said the civilization of Rome rejected 'God' and this is not my understanding. Are you suggesting the citizens of the Roman empire did not believe in deities and a higher power overseeing/influencing human civilization???

I'm asking you to clarify. Geez....
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Excellent thread, W4H. This study, coupled with historical examples of societies that rejected God like Rome, Babylon, Sodom, and Gomorrah, draws a clear link between Godliness and prosperity, and between wickedness and destruction. If America continues down this dangerous path, it will follow the way of those historical examples, and will surely perish from the Earth. I only pray it is not too late to right the ship and correct it's course...
 Quoting: Rising Son


So you're saying the Romans did not believe in God(s)??? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

hmm
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


No, they rejected the ONLY God who matters, who created heaven and earth. Jehovah God.
 Quoting: Witness for Him


How did you determine that there is only one conceptualization of 'God' that matters?

I have some questions for you.

If you had been born 3000 years ago, which 'God' would you have worshipped?

If you had been born 4000 years ago, which 'God' would you have worshipped?

If you had been born 5000 years ago, which 'God' would you have worshipped?

hmm
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Depends, even before Jesus Christ was born, God worked with people individually, so even if one was born into a particular religion or demographic, doesn't necessarily mean anything. God looks for certain Characteristics when choosing people to work with and can accomplish anything.
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Don’t you mean that you respond to atheism; Not God?

Why do you christards play games and lie?
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Wrong. God said that he would do these things because people reject him. We as his servants are simply relaying the messages and facts to those who don't read his word, to try to save THEM, for their own souls, not for us. Our salvation is not based on works, we are not granted any privledges for spreading the Word.
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In case you didn't read my previous posts in this thread.. Don't you find it ironic that your favorite illuminati television shows mock God?

Hmm.. Must be just because God is a fairytale huh?
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In case you didn't read my previous posts in this thread.. Don't you find it ironic that your favorite illuminati television shows mock God?

Hmm.. Must be just because God is a fairytale huh?
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Uhhh what a proof....
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How can "god" whichever one you want to dream up respond to a group of people who do not believe in the "god"

Kinda mind boggling isn't it.
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Excellent thread, W4H. This study, coupled with historical examples of societies that rejected God like Rome, Babylon, Sodom, and Gomorrah, draws a clear link between Godliness and prosperity, and between wickedness and destruction. If America continues down this dangerous path, it will follow the way of those historical examples, and will surely perish from the Earth. I only pray it is not too late to right the ship and correct it's course...
 Quoting: Rising Son


So you're saying the Romans did not believe in God(s)??? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

hmm
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Why do you so consistently twist my words and try to ridicule me? What I said was that the Romans rejected God - the one true God - and they did so by disobeying His laws, and descending into iniquity and wickedness.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I'm not twisting your words and I'm certainly not attempting to ridicule you. I asked you a follow up question to better understand your comment. You said the civilization of Rome rejected 'God' and this is not my understanding. Are you suggesting the citizens of the Roman empire did not believe in deities and a higher power overseeing/influencing human civilization???

I'm asking you to clarify. Geez....
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If I was mistaken about your intentions, I apologize. I cannot hear your voice inflection nor see your face, so it is very difficult to understand your intentions on an internet forum. I am sorry for assuming.

No - the Roman Empire did not collapse simply because they did not believe in the correct God, the Empire collapsed due to their departure from the ways of God. They descended into immorality and sin, and God was watching.
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In case you didn't read my previous posts in this thread.. Don't you find it ironic that your favorite illuminati television shows mock God?

Hmm.. Must be just because God is a fairytale huh?
 Quoting: Witness for Him


Uhhh what a proof....
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So apparently you also find it to be just a coincidence that the new world order was prophesied in the Bible? or that the White house is beneath a giant pentagram? or that all high power government leaders worship satan?

Hmm well this sure is interesting. Christian family unit = enemy #1 of the NWO

[link to vimeo.com]

Saul Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals' a communist manifesto which outlines what we see implemented in America today was dedicated to lucifer.

[link to www.amazon.com]

And 9/11 was a mega black magick ritul sacrifice based on the teachings of professed satanist Allister Crowley
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Don’t you mean that you respond to atheism; Not God?

Why do you christards play games and lie?
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Wrong. God said that he would do these things because people reject him. We as his servants are simply relaying the messages and facts to those who don't read his word, to try to save THEM, for their own souls, not for us. Our salvation is not based on works, we are not granted any privledges for spreading the Word.
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God did not repond to atheism dumb
s**t you did and to claim otherwise makes you a lier!
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So you're saying the Romans did not believe in God(s)??? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

hmm
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


No, they rejected the ONLY God who matters, who created heaven and earth. Jehovah God.
 Quoting: Witness for Him


How did you determine that there is only one conceptualization of 'God' that matters?

I have some questions for you.

If you had been born 3000 years ago, which 'God' would you have worshipped?

If you had been born 4000 years ago, which 'God' would you have worshipped?

If you had been born 5000 years ago, which 'God' would you have worshipped?

hmm
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Depends, even before Jesus Christ was born, God worked with people individually, so even if one was born into a particular religion or demographic, doesn't necessarily mean anything. God looks for certain Characteristics when choosing people to work with and can accomplish anything.
 Quoting: Witness for Him


You're not answering the question though friend. What would you have called 'God' before the word 'Jehovah' had even existed or been known?
What if you had lived during the times of ancient Greece or ancient Egypt??? Sumeria?

Which God or Gods would you have praised if you lived during these civilizations where there were many different conceptualizations/understandings of God(s)?

You said Jehovah is the only God that matters so does that mean if you lived during a time in history before his name was even known that you would have been praying to fake/false God(s)???

hmm
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How can "god" whichever one you want to dream up respond to a group of people who do not believe in the "god"

Kinda mind boggling isn't it.
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Well, the real God, Jehovah God, God of Abraham, Jacob, and Issac is capable of working miracles for one, and opening peoples eyes up if it's within his will. If someone truly seeks Jesus out with all their heart, and prays to him and asks for forgiveness, and for Him to come into their heart and reveal himself to them he will. They key is acknowledging that we don't have all the answers, and having a teachable spirit. Not being filled with pride, or holding grudges and not forgiving others. It's all about Love.
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In case you didn't read my previous posts in this thread.. Don't you find it ironic that your favorite illuminati television shows mock God?

Hmm.. Must be just because God is a fairytale huh?
 Quoting: Witness for Him


Uhhh what a proof....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32494902


So apparently you also find it to be just a coincidence that the new world order was prophesied in the Bible? or that the White house is beneath a giant pentagram? or that all high power government leaders worship satan?

Hmm well this sure is interesting. Christian family unit = enemy #1 of the NWO

[link to vimeo.com]

Saul Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals' a communist manifesto which outlines what we see implemented in America today was dedicated to lucifer.

[link to www.amazon.com]

And 9/11 was a mega black magick ritul sacrifice based on the teachings of professed satanist Allister Crowley
 Quoting: Witness for Him


who knows, who cares...i don't like any form of religion (satanism included)
All BELIEVE they worship the "RIGHT" god and the others are on the wrong way.
pure arrogance and ignorance.
You can find GOD inside yourself as well as the devil/animal whatever...
Feel responsible for your actions and thoughts...no "external" GOD needed.
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No, they rejected the ONLY God who matters, who created heaven and earth. Jehovah God.
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How did you determine that there is only one conceptualization of 'God' that matters?

I have some questions for you.

If you had been born 3000 years ago, which 'God' would you have worshipped?

If you had been born 4000 years ago, which 'God' would you have worshipped?

If you had been born 5000 years ago, which 'God' would you have worshipped?

hmm
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Depends, even before Jesus Christ was born, God worked with people individually, so even if one was born into a particular religion or demographic, doesn't necessarily mean anything. God looks for certain Characteristics when choosing people to work with and can accomplish anything.
 Quoting: Witness for Him


You're not answering the question though friend. What would you have called 'God' before the word 'Jehovah' had even existed or been known?
What if you had lived during the times of ancient Greece or ancient Egypt??? Sumeria?

Which God or Gods would you have praised if you lived during these civilizations where there were many different conceptualizations/understandings of God(s)?

You said Jehovah is the only God that matters so does that mean if you lived during a time in history before his name was even known that you would have been praying to fake/false God(s)???

hmm
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Well first of all what your asking is rhetorical and I have know way of knowing because I am not God. But I will tell you this. God is a God of Spirit, and even if you didn't know his name, or lived/brought up in a culture that worshiped other Gods, if it were within his will, he would make himself known to you through his Spirit and through circumstances, miracles, speaking etc. Just take for instance Moses. He was raised in Egyptian royalty under pharaoh and worshiped their God's but was shown the real God through divine revelation. I can also tell you that I was not looking for God myself, I was called out of the world, by being shown signs and wonders, and I had to make a choice follow him and seek change in my lifestyle, or continue the path I was going and reject.

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In case you didn't read my previous posts in this thread.. Don't you find it ironic that your favorite illuminati television shows mock God?

Hmm.. Must be just because God is a fairytale huh?
 Quoting: Witness for Him


Uhhh what a proof....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32494902


So apparently you also find it to be just a coincidence that the new world order was prophesied in the Bible? or that the White house is beneath a giant pentagram? or that all high power government leaders worship satan?

Hmm well this sure is interesting. Christian family unit = enemy #1 of the NWO

[link to vimeo.com]

Saul Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals' a communist manifesto which outlines what we see implemented in America today was dedicated to lucifer.

[link to www.amazon.com]

And 9/11 was a mega black magick ritul sacrifice based on the teachings of professed satanist Allister Crowley
 Quoting: Witness for Him


who knows, who cares...i don't like any form of religion (satanism included)
All BELIEVE they worship the "RIGHT" god and the others are on the wrong way.
pure arrogance and ignorance.
You can find GOD inside yourself as well as the devil/animal whatever...
Feel responsible for your actions and thoughts...no "external" GOD needed.
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This is why we all need a Saviour regardless of how 'good' we are.

Because God is a holy and righteous God, and because he loves his creation, he has certain characteristics. First of all we have ALL fallen short of the glory of God as he is perfect and exists eternally. This goes all the way back to the beginning of creation, when man existed in harmony in God's presence, and chose to disobey God's admonishment to live a life that resulted in peace/love/harmony. God's way is the only way that produces peace and love, and the history of man is a testimony of this with all of his wars and destruction of the planet etc. If you've looked at a man/woman and lusted you've committed adultery, if you've ever felt contempt towards someone you've had the spirit of murder, if you've stolen even a penny, to a paperclip, if you've ever been jealous, if you've ever coveted money, video games, anything for that matter above God, if you've had pride and excessive love and admiration of self, you've fallen short of the glory of God's righteousness and sinned. (obviously we all have)

Because God is just, when we stand before him, he must judge us accordingly, he couldn't be just and at the same time let us get away with our sins, it'd be like, for example, standing in front of a judge on charges of rape and being like "yeah I did rape that woman, but, but usually I hold doors open for women, and now days I wouldn't do something like that, and I want to help women out, etc." As a just Judge, he would have to sentence us based on the rape crime, or he would lose his job, and criminals could just do whatever they want.

So basically we have two options, either we pay for our sins with our eternal destruction, or we accept the free offering of his son Jesus Christ, who payed for our sins. (basically because we are so full of sin, its analogous to our bodies being a full cup, the sin being the contents thereof, and the only way to remove contents (sin), is to pour them into an empty cup, hence Jesus Christ had no sin. This is because God cannot accept man's perverted ways into his kingdom. God is actually EXTREMELY loving, that he has offered mankind a free gift of salvation though none of us deserve it.
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Uhhh what a proof....
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So apparently you also find it to be just a coincidence that the new world order was prophesied in the Bible? or that the White house is beneath a giant pentagram? or that all high power government leaders worship satan?

Hmm well this sure is interesting. Christian family unit = enemy #1 of the NWO

[link to vimeo.com]

Saul Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals' a communist manifesto which outlines what we see implemented in America today was dedicated to lucifer.

[link to www.amazon.com]

And 9/11 was a mega black magick ritul sacrifice based on the teachings of professed satanist Allister Crowley
 Quoting: Witness for Him


who knows, who cares...i don't like any form of religion (satanism included)
All BELIEVE they worship the "RIGHT" god and the others are on the wrong way.
pure arrogance and ignorance.
You can find GOD inside yourself as well as the devil/animal whatever...
Feel responsible for your actions and thoughts...no "external" GOD needed.
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This is why we all need a Saviour regardless of how 'good' we are.

Because God is a holy and righteous God, and because he loves his creation, he has certain characteristics. First of all we have ALL fallen short of the glory of God as he is perfect and exists eternally. This goes all the way back to the beginning of creation, when man existed in harmony in God's presence, and chose to disobey God's admonishment to live a life that resulted in peace/love/harmony. God's way is the only way that produces peace and love, and the history of man is a testimony of this with all of his wars and destruction of the planet etc. If you've looked at a man/woman and lusted you've committed adultery, if you've ever felt contempt towards someone you've had the spirit of murder, if you've stolen even a penny, to a paperclip, if you've ever been jealous, if you've ever coveted money, video games, anything for that matter above God, if you've had pride and excessive love and admiration of self, you've fallen short of the glory of God's righteousness and sinned. (obviously we all have)

Because God is just, when we stand before him, he must judge us accordingly, he couldn't be just and at the same time let us get away with our sins, it'd be like, for example, standing in front of a judge on charges of rape and being like "yeah I did rape that woman, but, but usually I hold doors open for women, and now days I wouldn't do something like that, and I want to help women out, etc." As a just Judge, he would have to sentence us based on the rape crime, or he would lose his job, and criminals could just do whatever they want.

So basically we have two options, either we pay for our sins with our eternal destruction, or we accept the free offering of his son Jesus Christ, who payed for our sins. (basically because we are so full of sin, its analogous to our bodies being a full cup, the sin being the contents thereof, and the only way to remove contents (sin), is to pour them into an empty cup, hence Jesus Christ had no sin. This is because God cannot accept man's perverted ways into his kingdom. God is actually EXTREMELY loving, that he has offered mankind a free gift of salvation though none of us deserve it.
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anyway i don't need an institution called CHURCH which is completely corrupt and insane
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So apparently you also find it to be just a coincidence that the new world order was prophesied in the Bible? or that the White house is beneath a giant pentagram? or that all high power government leaders worship satan?

Hmm well this sure is interesting. Christian family unit = enemy #1 of the NWO

[link to vimeo.com]

Saul Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals' a communist manifesto which outlines what we see implemented in America today was dedicated to lucifer.

[link to www.amazon.com]

And 9/11 was a mega black magick ritul sacrifice based on the teachings of professed satanist Allister Crowley
 Quoting: Witness for Him


who knows, who cares...i don't like any form of religion (satanism included)
All BELIEVE they worship the "RIGHT" god and the others are on the wrong way.
pure arrogance and ignorance.
You can find GOD inside yourself as well as the devil/animal whatever...
Feel responsible for your actions and thoughts...no "external" GOD needed.
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This is why we all need a Saviour regardless of how 'good' we are.

Because God is a holy and righteous God, and because he loves his creation, he has certain characteristics. First of all we have ALL fallen short of the glory of God as he is perfect and exists eternally. This goes all the way back to the beginning of creation, when man existed in harmony in God's presence, and chose to disobey God's admonishment to live a life that resulted in peace/love/harmony. God's way is the only way that produces peace and love, and the history of man is a testimony of this with all of his wars and destruction of the planet etc. If you've looked at a man/woman and lusted you've committed adultery, if you've ever felt contempt towards someone you've had the spirit of murder, if you've stolen even a penny, to a paperclip, if you've ever been jealous, if you've ever coveted money, video games, anything for that matter above God, if you've had pride and excessive love and admiration of self, you've fallen short of the glory of God's righteousness and sinned. (obviously we all have)

Because God is just, when we stand before him, he must judge us accordingly, he couldn't be just and at the same time let us get away with our sins, it'd be like, for example, standing in front of a judge on charges of rape and being like "yeah I did rape that woman, but, but usually I hold doors open for women, and now days I wouldn't do something like that, and I want to help women out, etc." As a just Judge, he would have to sentence us based on the rape crime, or he would lose his job, and criminals could just do whatever they want.

So basically we have two options, either we pay for our sins with our eternal destruction, or we accept the free offering of his son Jesus Christ, who payed for our sins. (basically because we are so full of sin, its analogous to our bodies being a full cup, the sin being the contents thereof, and the only way to remove contents (sin), is to pour them into an empty cup, hence Jesus Christ had no sin. This is because God cannot accept man's perverted ways into his kingdom. God is actually EXTREMELY loving, that he has offered mankind a free gift of salvation though none of us deserve it.
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anyway i don't need an institution called CHURCH which is completely corrupt and insane
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You are correct! Most churches have been infiltrated and corrupted via the Jesuits, through the papacy which is the antichrist system. Being a Christian is about having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ/God. God says he does not dwell in hand made temples, but our bodies are the temple.

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anyway i don't need an institution called CHURCH which is completely corrupt and insane

TRUE!
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anyway i don't need an institution called CHURCH which is completely corrupt and insane
TRUE!
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and my response to him was..

"You are correct! Most churches have been infiltrated and corrupted via the Jesuits, through the papacy which is the antichrist system. Being a Christian is about having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ/God. God says he does not dwell in hand made temples, but our bodies are the temple."

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If you want God to open up to you, to show you the truth, and reveal himself to you, it's relatively simple. Pray about it. Something like this.

"God, I know that I have my reasons that I don't believe, and there are things that I just don't have the answers to, but I acknowledge that I am a sinner, and I that I don't deserve salvation, but I believe that Jesus Christ is your son, and that he died for my sins, and I just pray that you will reveal yourself to me so that I can be convicted have faith and be led to repentance. I ask this in Jesus' name, Amen"

Even if your not totally convinced, try and, and mean the best you can, and see what happens.
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If you want God to open up to you, to show you the truth, and reveal himself to you, it's relatively simple. Pray about it. Something like this.

"God, I know that I have my reasons that I don't believe, and there are things that I just don't have the answers to, but I acknowledge that I am a sinner, and I that I don't deserve salvation, but I believe that Jesus Christ is your son, and that he died for my sins, and I just pray that you will reveal yourself to me so that I can be convicted have faith and be led to repentance. I ask this in Jesus' name, Amen"

Even if your not totally convinced, try and, and mean the best you can, and see what happens.
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why jesus?
i can accept that there's a higher form of whatever which/who is all around us and inside us...but jesus would reduce it to christianity AGAIN.
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Re: God repsonds to atheism
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So you're saying the Romans did not believe in God(s)??? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

hmm
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Why do you so consistently twist my words and try to ridicule me? What I said was that the Romans rejected God - the one true God - and they did so by disobeying His laws, and descending into iniquity and wickedness.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I'm not twisting your words and I'm certainly not attempting to ridicule you. I asked you a follow up question to better understand your comment. You said the civilization of Rome rejected 'God' and this is not my understanding. Are you suggesting the citizens of the Roman empire did not believe in deities and a higher power overseeing/influencing human civilization???

I'm asking you to clarify. Geez....
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


If I was mistaken about your intentions, I apologize. I cannot hear your voice inflection nor see your face, so it is very difficult to understand your intentions on an internet forum. I am sorry for assuming.

No - the Roman Empire did not collapse simply because they did not believe in the correct God, the Empire collapsed due to their departure from the ways of God. They descended into immorality and sin, and God was watching.
 Quoting: Rising Son


No worries man. I am just a fan of honest/intelligent discussion and enjoy asking both myself and others questions that challenge our understanding of things. I enjoy some of your posts because you are a critical thinker. I thought you were spot on in your thread regarding 'sin' and the nature of the ability to exercise empathy, even though you caught some flack by some users for asking difficult/important questions. I aslo left you some feedback/advice in one of your recent threads when you asked a question concerning Mormonism.

Regarding the topic at hand. I'm of the opinion that the reasons societies decline are not because God intervenes and destroys them, but because of the actions of the ruling parties/elite. They over-extend their civilizations beyond their capacity in an effort to sustain their greed for power & control and this ultimately leads to their decline & demise. This is a reoccuring theme throughout history. But I think it's important to note that it is the few who hold power that make the decisions that affect the masses. The lower/middle classes of these times could be the most honest and God-loving humans in the society and they would still be subject to the whim and control/decisions of those who hold power. So it's very difficult to generalize that the people of these civilizations had fallen away from God and basic humanity when we can see how Kings/Monarchs and ruling parties were manipulating society and dictating the affairs/conflicts/wars that contributed to their downfall.

To me the situation is analogous to what we're faced with today. It doesn't matter how you nor I feel about God as what we see transpiring around us is a product of the rulers of our governments and we have little to no influence over the events that unfold around us. Would it be accurate for people a couple thousand years from now to look back and conclude that the people of our day (which include you and I) had fallen away from God and that was the reason for the demise of our society? Or would it be more accurate to attribute the cause to the insatiable need for power & control by those who held power and manipulated the masses???

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If you want God to open up to you, to show you the truth, and reveal himself to you, it's relatively simple. Pray about it. Something like this.

"God, I know that I have my reasons that I don't believe, and there are things that I just don't have the answers to, but I acknowledge that I am a sinner, and I that I don't deserve salvation, but I believe that Jesus Christ is your son, and that he died for my sins, and I just pray that you will reveal yourself to me so that I can be convicted have faith and be led to repentance. I ask this in Jesus' name, Amen"

Even if your not totally convinced, try and, and mean the best you can, and see what happens.
 Quoting: Witness for Him


why jesus?
i can accept that there's a higher form of whatever which/who is all around us and inside us...but jesus would reduce it to christianity AGAIN.
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If we consider the very definition of 'Truth' in context to religion, there can only be ONE. Either new age is right (many ways to God) atheism's right (religion of evolution/bigbang) or one of the various world religions is right. They can't all be right, only one can be.

Because Jesus is the only way. The proof is in the pudding. Try saying that prayer. Read the gospel according to John and see how it makes you feel. The one way that the Bible can be distinguished as the Word of the one and only God, that makes it unique, is the prophecy that's contained in the Bible. It's been correct 100% historically and prophetically 100% of the time.



There is only ONE God, either you reject him, and his Son who he sent for your salvation and pay for your shortcomings of Glory with your eternal destruction, or you embrace it and accept the free gift.

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If you want God to open up to you, to show you the truth, and reveal himself to you, it's relatively simple. Pray about it. Something like this.

"God, I know that I have my reasons that I don't believe, and there are things that I just don't have the answers to, but I acknowledge that I am a sinner, and I that I don't deserve salvation, but I believe that Jesus Christ is your son, and that he died for my sins, and I just pray that you will reveal yourself to me so that I can be convicted have faith and be led to repentance. I ask this in Jesus' name, Amen"

Even if your not totally convinced, try and, and mean the best you can, and see what happens.
 Quoting: Witness for Him


why jesus?
i can accept that there's a higher form of whatever which/who is all around us and inside us...but jesus would reduce it to christianity AGAIN.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32494902


Because Jesus is the only way. The proof is in the pudding. Try saying that prayer. Read the gospel according to John and see how it makes you feel. The one way that the Bible can be distinguished as the Word of the one and only God, that makes it unique, is the prophecy that's contained in the Bible. It's been correct 100% historically and prophetically 100% of the time.

There is only ONE God, either you reject him, and his Son who he sent for your salvation and pay for your shortcomings of Glory with your eternal destruction, or you embrace it and accept the free gift.
 Quoting: Witness for Him


in other words...you have to be a christian to gain salvation and there is no other way to have a connection to god.
that's why i don't like religion
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If you want God to open up to you, to show you the truth, and reveal himself to you, it's relatively simple. Pray about it. Something like this.

"God, I know that I have my reasons that I don't believe, and there are things that I just don't have the answers to, but I acknowledge that I am a sinner, and I that I don't deserve salvation, but I believe that Jesus Christ is your son, and that he died for my sins, and I just pray that you will reveal yourself to me so that I can be convicted have faith and be led to repentance. I ask this in Jesus' name, Amen"

Even if your not totally convinced, try and, and mean the best you can, and see what happens.
 Quoting: Witness for Him


why jesus?
i can accept that there's a higher form of whatever which/who is all around us and inside us...but jesus would reduce it to christianity AGAIN.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32494902


Because Jesus is the only way. The proof is in the pudding. Try saying that prayer. Read the gospel according to John and see how it makes you feel. The one way that the Bible can be distinguished as the Word of the one and only God, that makes it unique, is the prophecy that's contained in the Bible. It's been correct 100% historically and prophetically 100% of the time.

There is only ONE God, either you reject him, and his Son who he sent for your salvation and pay for your shortcomings of Glory with your eternal destruction, or you embrace it and accept the free gift.
 Quoting: Witness for Him


in other words...you have to be a christian to gain salvation and there is no other way to have a connection to god.
that's why i don't like religion
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32494902


If we consider the very definition of 'Truth' in context to religion, there can only be ONE. Either new age is right (many ways to God) atheism's right (religion of evolution/bigbang) or one of the various world religions is right. They can't all be right, only one can be.

I'm sorry if you don't like it, but I promise you it's the truth, and I've tried my very best to share it with you, what you do with what I've given you is your choice. And If you tell me your name I'd be more than happy to pray for you.
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