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Thank you for acknowledging that what I'm saying is the truth, and you have no argument. As far as your reasons for denying Christ and Saying the blasphemous things you did about him, you will have to answer for, and may he deal with you mercifully.
 Quoting: Witness for Him


He'd better hope I deal with him mercifully! He's been offed once before...twice can be arranged :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32492173


I get the feeling your just being a smart ass. But do you realize that Jesus Died to be an atonement for those who love God, and he didn't have to. He was GOD in the flesh. When he comes back he is going to DESTROY this earth and those who take pleasure in unrighteousness and love not the truth. He gave us all a 'blank check' so to speak, if you don't accept it that's your choice. Nearly everyone has gotten a chance to hear the gospel preached, those who declined will be judged accordingly.

Isaiah 24

New International Version (NIV)
The Lord’s Devastation of the Earth

24 See, the Lord is going to lay waste the earth
and devastate it;
he will ruin its face
and scatter its inhabitants—
2 it will be the same
for priest as for people,
for the master as for his servant,
for the mistress as for her servant,
for seller as for buyer,
for borrower as for lender,
for debtor as for creditor.
3 The earth will be completely laid waste
and totally plundered.
The Lord has spoken this word.

4 The earth dries up and withers,
the world languishes and withers,
the heavens languish with the earth.
5 The earth is defiled by its people;
they have disobeyed the laws,
violated the statutes
and broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore a curse consumes the earth;
its people must bear their guilt.
Therefore earth’s inhabitants are burned up,
and very few are left.
7 The new wine dries up and the vine withers;
all the merrymakers groan.
8 The joyful timbrels are stilled,
the noise of the revelers has stopped,
the joyful harp is silent.
9 No longer do they drink wine with a song;
the beer is bitter to its drinkers.
10 The ruined city lies desolate;
the entrance to every house is barred.
11 In the streets they cry out for wine;
all joy turns to gloom,
all joyful sounds are banished from the earth.
12 The city is left in ruins,
its gate is battered to pieces.
13 So will it be on the earth
and among the nations,
as when an olive tree is beaten,
or as when gleanings are left after the grape harvest.

14 They raise their voices, they shout for joy;
from the west they acclaim the Lord’s majesty.
15 Therefore in the east give glory to the Lord;
exalt the name of the Lord, the God of Israel,
in the islands of the sea.
16 From the ends of the earth we hear singing:
“Glory to the Righteous One.”

But I said, “I waste away, I waste away!
Woe to me!
The treacherous betray!
With treachery the treacherous betray! ”
17 Terror and pit and snare await you,
people of the earth.
18 Whoever flees at the sound of terror
will fall into a pit;
whoever climbs out of the pit
will be caught in a snare.

The floodgates of the heavens are opened,
the foundations of the earth shake.
19 The earth is broken up,
the earth is split asunder,
the earth is violently shaken.
20 The earth reels like a drunkard,
it sways like a hut in the wind;
so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion
that it falls —never to rise again.

21 In that day the Lord will punish
the powers in the heavens above
and the kings on the earth below.
22 They will be herded together
like prisoners bound in a dungeon;
they will be shut up in prison
and be punished[a] after many days.
23 The moon will be dismayed,
the sun ashamed;
for the Lord Almighty will reign
on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem,
and before its elders—with great glory.

Ezekiel 7

New International Version (NIV)
The End Has Come

7 The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, this is what the Sovereign Lord says to the land of Israel:

“‘The end! The end has come
upon the four corners of the land!
3 The end is now upon you,
and I will unleash my anger against you.
I will judge you according to your conduct
and repay you for all your detestable practices.
4 I will not look on you with pity;
I will not spare you.
I will surely repay you for your conduct
and for the detestable practices among you.

“‘Then you will know that I am the Lord.’

5 “This is what the Sovereign Lord says:

“‘Disaster! Unheard-of[a] disaster!
See, it comes!
6 The end has come!
The end has come!
It has roused itself against you.
See, it comes!
7 Doom has come upon you,
upon you who dwell in the land.
The time has come! The day is near!
There is panic, not joy, on the mountains.
8 I am about to pour out my wrath on you
and spend my anger against you.
I will judge you according to your conduct
and repay you for all your detestable practices.
9 I will not look on you with pity;
I will not spare you.
I will repay you for your conduct
and for the detestable practices among you.

“‘Then you will know that it is I the Lord who strikes you.

10 “‘See, the day!
See, it comes!
Doom has burst forth,
the rod has budded,
arrogance has blossomed!
11 Violence has arisen,
a rod to punish the wicked.
None of the people will be left,
none of that crowd—
none of their wealth,
nothing of value.
12 The time has come!
The day has arrived!
Let not the buyer rejoice
nor the seller grieve,
for my wrath is on the whole crowd.
13 The seller will not recover
the property that was sold—
as long as both buyer and seller live.
For the vision concerning the whole crowd
will not be reversed.
Because of their sins, not one of them
will preserve their life.

14 “‘They have blown the trumpet,
they have made all things ready,
but no one will go into battle,
for my wrath is on the whole crowd.
15 Outside is the sword;
inside are plague and famine.
Those in the country
will die by the sword;
those in the city
will be devoured by famine and plague.
16 The fugitives who escape
will flee to the mountains.
Like doves of the valleys,
they will all moan,
each for their own sins.
17 Every hand will go limp;
every leg will be wet with urine.
18 They will put on sackcloth
and be clothed with terror.
Every face will be covered with shame,
and every head will be shaved.

19 “‘They will throw their silver into the streets,
and their gold will be treated as a thing unclean.
Their silver and gold
will not be able to deliver them
in the day of the Lord’s wrath.
It will not satisfy their hunger
or fill their stomachs,
for it has caused them to stumble into sin.
20 They took pride in their beautiful jewelry
and used it to make their detestable idols.
They made it into vile images;
therefore I will make it a thing unclean for them.
21 I will give their wealth as plunder to foreigners
and as loot to the wicked of the earth,
who will defile it.
22 I will turn my face away from the people,
and robbers will desecrate the place I treasure.
They will enter it
and will defile it.

23 “‘Prepare chains!
For the land is full of bloodshed,
and the city is full of violence.
24 I will bring the most wicked of nations
to take possession of their houses.
I will put an end to the pride of the mighty,
and their sanctuaries will be desecrated.
25 When terror comes,
they will seek peace in vain.
26 Calamity upon calamity will come,
and rumor upon rumor.
They will go searching for a vision from the prophet,
priestly instruction in the law will cease,
the counsel of the elders will come to an end.
27 The king will mourn,
the prince will be clothed with despair,
and the hands of the people of the land will tremble.
I will deal with them according to their conduct,
and by their own standards I will judge them.

“‘Then they will know that I am the Lord. ’”
 Quoting: Witness for Him


Allow me to quietly explain something to you :-)
There are people like me who do not believe in jesus, god, allah, thor, odin or any other god.
And many of these people are like me, ordinary, hardworking, decent citizens.

We love our children, work hard to provide for our family's, respect those who deserve respect, don't steal, rape, murder or harm anyone.
We are kind, sympathetic, honest and likeable...we just don't believe in a god.

I know it's hard for you to understand this, but it's true. As far as I am concerned there is simply no point in professing a belief in something unprovable and therefore by logic, non-existent.

Religion is often a mantle of goodness for those who are themselbes not inherantly good or decent.
It's abadge that says 'I'm a nice, honest, decent guy because I believe in a story about a nice, decent, honest guy'.

I require no belief in what might be in order to do the right thing!
And if by some magical occurrence your 'god' should exist, and he condemns me to hellfire eternally for simply not believing in him sans evidence and in spite of me being a good human being...then he is indeed a sad and egotistical bastard and I would want no part of him or his 'paradise'.

:-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16194455


God commands that we love even those who spitefully use us, steal from us, everybody. Let me try and explain why we ALL need a saviour no matter how good we THINK we are.

Because God is a holy and righteous God, and because he loves his creation, he has certain characteristics. First of all we have ALL fallen short of the glory of God as he is perfect and exists eternally. This goes all the way back to the beginning of creation, when man existed in harmony in God's presence, and chose to disobey God's admonishment to live a life that resulted in peace/love/harmony. God's way is the only way that produces peace and love, and the history of man is a testimony of this with all of his wars and destruction of the planet etc. If you've looked at a man/woman and lusted you've committed adultery, if you've ever felt contempt towards someone you've had the spirit of murder, if you've stolen even a penny, to a paperclip, if you've ever been jealous, if you've ever coveted money, video games, anything for that matter above God, if you've had pride and excessive love and admiration of self, you've fallen short of the glory of God's righteousness and sinned. (obviously we all have)

Because God is just, when we stand before him, he must judge us accordingly, he couldn't be just and at the same time let us get away with our sins, it'd be like, for example, standing in front of a judge on charges of rape and being like "yeah I did rape that woman, but, but usually I hold doors open for women, and now days I wouldn't do something like that, and I want to help women out, etc." As a just Judge, he would have to sentence us based on the rape crime, or he would lose his job, and criminals could just do whatever they want.

So basically we have two options, either we pay for our sins with our eternal destruction, or we accept the free offering of his son Jesus Christ, who payed for our sins. (basically because we are so full of sin, its analogous to our bodies being a full cup, the sin being the contents thereof, and the only way to remove contents (sin), is to pour them into an empty cup, hence Jesus Christ had no sin. This is because God cannot accept man's perverted ways into his kingdom. God is actually EXTREMELY loving, that he has offered mankind a free gift of salvation though none of us deserve it.

And even if you think oh well I'm here and I never wanted to be, you have still been blessed mightily and could live in a dictatorship, without running water/electricity etc, constantly fearing for your life, born with deformities, disease, a life full of ridicule, etc. etc.
 
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