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Why do you so consistently twist my words and try to ridicule me? What I said was that the Romans rejected God - the one true God - and they did so by disobeying His laws, and descending into iniquity and wickedness.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I'm not twisting your words and I'm certainly not attempting to ridicule you. I asked you a follow up question to better understand your comment. You said the civilization of Rome rejected 'God' and this is not my understanding. Are you suggesting the citizens of the Roman empire did not believe in deities and a higher power overseeing/influencing human civilization???

I'm asking you to clarify. Geez....
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


If I was mistaken about your intentions, I apologize. I cannot hear your voice inflection nor see your face, so it is very difficult to understand your intentions on an internet forum. I am sorry for assuming.

No - the Roman Empire did not collapse simply because they did not believe in the correct God, the Empire collapsed due to their departure from the ways of God. They descended into immorality and sin, and God was watching.
 Quoting: Rising Son


No worries man. I am just a fan of honest/intelligent discussion and enjoy asking both myself and others questions that challenge our understanding of things. I enjoy some of your posts because you are a critical thinker. I thought you were spot on in your thread regarding 'sin' and the nature of the ability to exercise empathy, even though you caught some flack by some users for asking difficult/important questions. I aslo left you some feedback/advice in one of your recent threads when you asked a question concerning Mormonism.

Regarding the topic at hand. I'm of the opinion that the reasons societies decline are not because God intervenes and destroys them, but because of the actions of the ruling parties/elite. They over-extend their civilizations beyond their capacity in an effort to sustain their greed for power & control and this ultimately leads to their decline & demise. This is a reoccuring theme throughout history. But I think it's important to note that it is the few who hold power that make the decisions that affect the masses. The lower/middle classes of these times could be the most honest and God-loving humans in the society and they would still be subject to the whim and control/decisions of those who hold power. So it's very difficult to generalize that the people of these civilizations had fallen away from God and basic humanity when we can see how Kings/Monarchs and ruling parties were manipulating society and dictating the affairs/conflicts/wars that contributed to their downfall.

To me the situation is analogous to what we're faced with today. It doesn't matter how you nor I feel about God as what we see transpiring around us is a product of the rulers of our governments and we have little to no influence over the events that unfold around us. Would it be accurate for people a couple thousand years from now to look back and conclude that the people of our day (which include you and I) had fallen away from God and that was the reason for the demise of our society? Or would it be more accurate to attribute the cause to the insatiable need for power & control by the ruling elite???hmm
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


And who gave the Church the authority to usurp the power and authority away from the true kings of the earth and to have the Pope to self appoint a puppet king to royal power?

It wasn’t god!!!

The Church is a lie!
 
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