F.D.A. Likely To Add Limits On Painkillers

That will just cause heroin business to go up.

Prohibition never helps anyone really.

This is not good for the many people who have chronic pain and those who have surgeries and acute pain from various conditions.

I used to get bad migraines, and I used to take percocet (hydrocodone) for them. Thank God I don't get them anymore (I'm old) because they will no longer prescribe that medication. I had a friend who had knee surgery, and they sent him home with vicodin which doesn't really work that well.

So now they want to limit vicodin too.

This is getting out of hand, yes there are people who abuse medications but there are millions who have valid reasons to take them and they should not be denied pain relief.

I suspect this had a lot more to do with control and domination of the population rather than trying to help curb drug abuse.

I'm seriously thinking of retiring outside of the US so I can have decent medical care in my old age, but our current government has decided to tax 30% of the money taken out of the US.

I do think they want us to suffer. I'm not sure why, but they do.

My husband is in terrible pain at times, but cannot get prescriptions needed. He gets a watered down version that does not work, or a small amount of pills for a longer length of time.
FTR, he needs a knee replacement(both), and surgery on both shoulders. His left leg swells the worst, even when he does nothing but sit. The left hip was broken in 3 places, and the doctors let it heal that way. He has had several surgeries, but they have all failed or had limited success.

The black market is going to be booming.

I wonder if they are trying to drive people towards taking herion.

Not too long ago on the news they had a segment on heroin, they said it was very cheap now, and small packets that last all day are only $10. I remarked to my friend who saw it too that it was like an ad for heroin.

One reason we are in Afganistan is to secure the poppy fields. Also we know our governent is involved in the illegal drug business. Perhaps they want people to buy illegal drugs in order to put money in their pockets, and then arrest those people to make even more money off of the whole thing.

It just makes no sense to outlaw vicodin (in essence this is what they want to do) as it's the only legal pain medication left that can be prescribed.

The danger of Vicodin is that it combines an opioid with acetaminophen. My husband was addicted to Vicodin, big time. He also had a drinking problem. That spelled disaster for him.

Eventually, all the drugs and alcohol destroyed his liver, just as I suspected it would.

He had no problem getting multiple prescriptions from the doctors in this area. And if he ran out, or couldn't get them from me(I hid his pills on him), he would get them from his friends.

Thanks for pointing that out.

Tylenol is the real killer at least half the time.

Politicaly and philosphicaly i support free and open access to all substances and compounds by anyone with the resources to aquire them. Having said that, I am a stage III cancer fighter who is not using the western medicine system whatsoever. Including their painkillers. Those things suck. They did nothing for the considerable pain im in 24 hrs a day. The first few days were ok but after that unless i started upping administration intervals and dosing all the time, I couldent get any relief. Just the ghost of a shitty high sometimes. Of course doing just that leads to terrible addiction fast. Not to mention because I am treating this cancer naturally, I cannot afford the daily and constant immunosuppression that comes with Delta and MU opiate receptor agnonists.

So instead I take the following but not all substances daily. Some I use to take tolerance breaks from the others. All are legally available online as of tonight.

Kratom
Yellow Horned Poppy extract
Myrrh terpene faction isolates
Kavalactone from kava
Lactucarium from personally wildcrafted and processed wild
lettuce.
White willow bark
Blue Lotus extract
meditation
prickly poppy extract american and mexican
oriental poppy extract
red poppy petal extract
curcumin and ginger extracts
Holy Basil oil
Oil of Oregano

Will any of these put you down like sister morphene? No. Can I get by on these instead of 60 mg of Dr prescribed Hydrocodone a day? Yes. In fact I have less pain after switching. Many also have some little investigated anti cancer effects and several are immuno-stimulant so they are an active part of my fight and not two steps back. Hope someone in need sees this.

btw if you like kratom alot get a fuckton and put it in the freezer bc im sure they will try to outlaw after they get through trying to end my firearm rights.

One must never drink alcohol when taking vicodin or any opioids that contain acetaminophen. That is indeed deadly for the liver. Lots of people take tylenol then drink, or take it for their hangover. This is very dangerous.

I had a friend years ago who took darvocet, which also contained acetaminophen, and liked to drink too much. She died when she was 45, her liver was destroyed.

yeah acetaminophen is the devil in general, not just for drinkers. the max dose for a day is as damaging as a weakend bender. ill not go back on their pills again but if i had to, i would google how to do a simple cold water extraction to seperate out the tylenol from the opiates and just take the opiates. Hint.

I think this is wonderful and I truly hope that what you are doing restores your health 100%.

My husband's addiction to pain-killers caused a lot of friction in our marriage. It's not until he passed away, did I truly understand his pain.

The past couple of years, I've been suffering severe migraines, some to the point that I wish the Lord would just take me. Experiencing pain, severe pain, prolonged pain, to the point where you can't function, makes it hard for one to think sensibly--they just want the pain to go away.

I know the feeling. vaporizing some of the above can give that needed boost without upping the administration interval or dose as well. like if I normally take 6 grams of kratom extract three times a day, but today is ferocious, i can vaporize some myrrh extract to see me through. I dont claim to be an expert though and obviously my situation is not hospice or major surgical recovery so your milage may vary.

What's the best form of kratom to use?

It's much harder now.I know you're a christian as i am also.Please consider people that suffer with pain.I've been in pain for 19 years and I have to jump through hoops just to survive in this pain.Innocent people should not have to suffer for well meaning paranoid people.Abusers will abuse no matter how hard it is for them,while honest people in real pain will live in hell.Good people will have to answer for what they are doing to their brothers and sisters someday.God sees and knows all .Hurting me to stop someone you can't stop is not fair.

as weak, cheap (in price) and as little as possible. i started out making bali in my esspresso maker (two runs of water) to get that super critical extraction of heat steam and pressure. Sometimes id throw in some kratom resin. when my tolerance went up I went with maeng da. When the oral cancer in my mouth got worse and meant i didnt want to drink tea painfully for 40 mins to dose, I went with 15x thai capped. if your in a continueing pain situation, start small but always buy at the highest wholesale level you can to avoid getting raped. its more money up front but its real savings. Hell stock it for SHTF. Kratom resin is one of the most versatile extracts for a newbie and I would guess has the longest shelf life if fully dried properly.

My husband and I both came to an agreement that it was best I kept his pills and give them to him when needed. I would have to hide them from him, and he was okay with this because he knew he abused them. He always took too many. Eventually he had to take oxycontin because his body built up a tolerance to the vicodin and it wouldn't work any longer to take away the pain. Once the oxycontin became ineffective, he ended up on morphine for the last 4 years of his life. I call morphine the "grim reaper" drug.

also the yellow horned poppy extract (glaucine) and myrrh terpene faction alkaloids are nothing to sneeze at. I also made a very effective crude myrrh full spectrum alkaloid freebase. niether are warm and empathogenic like kratom and opiates, but both blunt pain wonderfully. try meditation if you need to feel euphoric with these.

So are some places better to buy from than others? I've looked up bikuk, deepjunglekratom, ethnobotanicals and kratompro. I've never heard of it and am very interested, but I'm not trying to blow a bunch of money trying to find what's good and what's not. I'm looking for something more on the sedative side.

I dont want to talk vendors of stuff on trinity's forum or threadjack this discussion, respectfully, start light with the tea, do some searching using search terms that include bulk and wholesale, buy by the lb and figure it out for yourself. Im done. Good luck.

IMO, which could been viewed as wrong, alcohol needs to have limits imposed. It can do all the damage mentioned in this thread without the painkillers even being a factor.
It does so much damage, and not just to the person who drinks it. Many innocent people have died because someone picked up a bottle.
Note: if you must drink, then don't mix it with anything.
That compounds the problem.

thanks to both.
peace.

you know... you'd think they'd have figured out by now that banning things just doesn't work.

I know several people with chronic pain and they already have problems getting drugs for their legitimate problems, meanwhile I know addicts who can easily get these drugs. More laws will only harm those who legitimately need the drugs and will only further expand the black market as patients turn to the streets to treat their chronic pain.

I am curious to find out about kratom. I read that the red varieties are best taken at night and the green during the day, but don't know why.

This could be very useful information for the many people who need something for their pain.

norco is a double vicodin with 1/3 the amount of tylenol as in one vicodin.

I am in need, I have S/P MS and my mother has stage 4 bone cancer-neither of us has insurance, no money and are both in a really bad spot right now (too long to even go into now, but it's bad). We're living together right now and I am at a loss on how to help her. I am going to pour over this post after resting and hope to be able to gather all of the info asap/ Thank you for your post. Big time.

Just as cannabis is becoming more widespread. Nice!

Oxycontin should be removed from the market completely. Pain killers (& other downers) can remove ones ability to ever feel satisfied in life.

The American Cancer Society, your local Senior Center, and the Health Dept. may have resources which can help your mother, as well. It never hurts to ask.

Check for free clinics in your area

[link to www.nafcclinics.org]

i noticed the people who get the best painkillers like oxycontin have been in car accidents using the no fault inscurance,most i know dont even have serious injury,some back pain,some knee or arm pain,they milk the no fault for years just waiting for their lawsuits to settle,its not fair at all!