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Meditation Gives Brain a Charge, Study Finds

By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, January 3, 2005; Page A05

Brain research is beginning to produce concrete evidence for something that Buddhist practitioners of meditation have maintained for centuries: Mental discipline and meditative practice can change the workings of the brain and allow people to achieve different levels of awareness.

Those transformed states have traditionally been understood in transcendent terms, as something outside the world of physical measurement and objective evaluation. But over the past few years, researchers at the University of Wisconsin working with Tibetan monks have been able to translate those mental experiences into the scientific language of high-frequency gamma waves and brain synchrony, or coordination. And they have pinpointed the left prefrontal cortex, an area just behind the left forehead, as the place where brain activity associated with meditation is especially intense.

"What we found is that the longtime practitioners showed brain activation on a scale we have never seen before," said Richard Davidson, a neuroscientist at the university's new $10 million W.M. Keck Laboratory for Functional Brain Imaging and Behavior. "Their mental practice is having an effect on the brain in the same way golf or tennis practice will enhance performance." It demonstrates, he said, that the brain is capable of being trained and physically modified in ways few people can imagine.

Scientists used to believe the opposite -- that connections among brain nerve cells were fixed early in life and did not change in adulthood. But that assumption was disproved over the past decade with the help of advances in brain imaging and other techniques, and in its place, scientists have embraced the concept of ongoing brain development and "neuroplasticity."

Davidson says his newest results from the meditation study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences in November, take the concept of neuroplasticity a step further by showing that mental training through meditation (and presumably other disciplines) can itself change the inner workings and circuitry of the brain.

The new findings are the result of a long, if unlikely, collaboration between Davidson and Tibet's Dalai Lama, the world's best-known practitioner of Buddhism. The Dalai Lama first invited Davidson to his home in Dharamsala, India, in 1992 after learning about Davidson's innovative research into the neuroscience of emotions. The Tibetans have a centuries-old tradition of intensive meditation and, from the start, the Dalai Lama was interested in having Davidson scientifically explore the workings of his monks' meditating minds. Three years ago, the Dalai Lama spent two days visiting Davidson's lab.

The Dalai Lama ultimately dispatched eight of his most accomplished practitioners to Davidson's lab to have them hooked up for electroencephalograph (EEG) testing and brain scanning. The Buddhist practitioners in the experiment had undergone training in the Tibetan Nyingmapa and Kagyupa traditions of meditation for an estimated 10,000 to 50,000 hours, over time periods of 15 to 40 years. As a control, 10 student volunteers with no previous meditation experience were also tested after one week of training.

The monks and volunteers were fitted with a net of 256 electrical sensors and asked to meditate for short periods. Thinking and other mental activity are known to produce slight, but detectable, bursts of electrical activity as large groupings of neurons send messages to each other, and that's what the sensors picked up. Davidson was especially interested in measuring gamma waves, some of the highest-frequency and most important electrical brain impulses.

Both groups were asked to meditate, specifically on unconditional compassion. Buddhist teaching describes that state, which is at the heart of the Dalai Lama's teaching, as the "unrestricted readiness and availability to help living beings." The researchers chose that focus because it does not require concentrating on particular objects, memories or images, and cultivates instead a transformed state of being.

Davidson said that the results unambiguously showed that meditation activated the trained minds of the monks in significantly different ways from those of the volunteers. Most important, the electrodes picked up much greater activation of fast-moving and unusually powerful gamma waves in the monks, and found that the movement of the waves through the brain was far better organized and coordinated than in the students. The meditation novices showed only a slight increase in gamma wave activity while meditating, but some of the monks produced gamma wave activity more powerful than any previously reported in a healthy person, Davidson said.

The monks who had spent the most years meditating had the highest levels of gamma waves, he added. This "dose response" -- where higher levels of a drug or activity have greater effect than lower levels -- is what researchers look for to assess cause and effect.

In previous studies, mental activities such as focus, memory, learning and consciousness were associated with the kind of enhanced neural coordination found in the monks. The intense gamma waves found in the monks have also been associated with knitting together disparate brain circuits, and so are connected to higher mental activity and heightened awareness, as well.

Davidson's research is consistent with his earlier work that pinpointed the left prefrontal cortex as a brain region associated with happiness and positive thoughts and emotions. Using functional magnetic resonance imagining (fMRI) on the meditating monks, Davidson found that their brain activity -- as measured by the EEG -- was especially high in this area.

Davidson concludes from the research that meditation not only changes the workings of the brain in the short term, but also quite possibly produces permanent changes. That finding, he said, is based on the fact that the monks had considerably more gamma wave activity than the control group even before they started meditating. A researcher at the University of Massachusetts, Jon Kabat-Zinn, came to a similar conclusion several years ago.

Researchers at Harvard and Princeton universities are now testing some of the same monks on different aspects of their meditation practice: their ability to visualize images and control their thinking. Davidson is also planning further research.

"What we found is that the trained mind, or brain, is physically different from the untrained one," he said. In time, "we'll be able to better understand the potential importance of this kind of mental training and increase the likelihood that it will be taken seriously."
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Clinical Physiology
Volume 20 Page 173 - May 2000
doi:10.1046/j.1365-2281.2000.00242.x
Volume 20 Issue 3


Effect of Qi-training on blood pressure, heart rate and respiration rate
Myeong Soo Lee, Byung Gi Kim, Hwa Jeong Huh, Hoon Ryu, Ho-Sub Lee & Hun-Taeg Chung

To examine the physiological effects of Korean traditional Qi-training, we investigated the changes in blood pressure, heart and respiratory rates before, during and after ChunDoSunBup (CDSB) Qi-training. Twelve normal healthy CDSB Qi-trainees (19–37 years old; trained for 1·3 ± 0·2 years; 9 men and 3 women) volunteered to participate in this study. Heart rate, respiratory rate, systolic blood pressure and rate–pressure product were significantly decreased during Qi-training. From these results, we suggest that CDSB Qi-training has physiological effects that indicate stabilization of cardiovascular system.
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woo woos are always right and ahead of current knowledge. eventually everything will come to the closed-mind ones. but for us it comes earlier.
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Growth Inhibition of Cultured Human Liver Carcinoma Cells by Ki-energy (Life-energy): Scientific Evidence for Ki-effects on Cancer Cells

Many people believe that ‘Ki-energy’ (life-energy) is a ‘superpsychological’ or ‘supernatural’ phenomenon. The aim of this paper is to provide evidence that ‘Ki’ is a ‘natural’ phenomenon. If it is a ‘natural’ phenomenon, it can be studied scientifically. In order to accomplish this goal, we formed a research team consisting of two biophysicists, two molecular biologists and a Japanese Ki-expert, Kozo Nishino (who was once a medical student, then a ballet choreographer and finally became a master of Aikido, a Japanese martial art). Nishino has developed a breathing method of enhancing the level of life-energy or vitality called ‘Ki’ (1–6). Many of his students experienced improvement in their health in areas such as high blood pressure, osteoporosis, arthritis and heart ailments. A dozen students overcame cancer without surgery (5–9). A study demonstrated that this breathing method increased the immune activity of the practitioners as judged by the blood level of NK cell activity (10). Nishino developed his Breathing Method independently of the Chinese Qigong practice.

Qigong practice has been known to raise energy levels (called ‘Qi’ in Chinese) and improve health (11–18). A group of Japanese scientists made a pioneering observation that the Chinese Qigong practice involved a neuropsychological effect in which the brain wave activities of both a Qigong healer and a volunteer who received his Qi-energy were synchronized (19).

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Thank you for this! It's about time!
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What is the nature of observed Ki-energy? It passes through a clear plastic plate, but was blocked by aluminum foil. This suggests that it may be a form of electromagnetic wave. In this regards, it is interesting to note that Kawano et al. (19) found that a form of energy was transmitted through the air from a Chinese Qigong practitioner to another person who was sitting in front of him.

Then, a question to be asked is ‘What is the frequency?’ Since the Ki-energy goes through a clear plastic plate it cannot be a UV radiation, because plastics generally absorb ultraviolet. The fact that black acrylic plates effectively block the Ki-energy indicates that it may be a form of infrared radiation, because if this is in a radio or TV frequency range, it can go through a black plastic plate. A human body radiates infrared by virtue of its temperature. In 1978, Chinese scientists published the finding of infrared radiation from the hand of a Qigong practitioner (38). Since then, several investigators reported that the Ki-energy may involve infrared radiation (39–44).

In our experiments, if the infrared radiation was blocked, then the Ki-effect of inhibiting cell growth was lost. In other words, there was a direct linkage between the two. If the Ki-energy is a form of infrared radiation it could penetrate human tissue, therefore explaining Ki-energy's ability to inhibit cell growth through human hands (Fig. 2C).

The level of p53 was known to increase by a high temperature treatment (42°C) or by X-ray radiation (33,34). However, since the level did not change in our case (Fig. 5), the intensity of infrared radiation must be very low. We still do not know the mechanism of how such a small amount of energy from the human body could cause a tangible change in the cells.

In conclusion, we have shown evidence that the effects of Ki-energy can be analyzed scientifically using an established cell culture model. Our experiments using cultured cancer cells demonstrated that cell growth was delayed by exposure to Ki-energy for 5–10 min. The mechanism seems to be related to a decrease in mRNA expression for c-myc, a tumor stimulator gene, and to an increase of that for regucalcin, which suppresses DNA synthesis. Our data suggest that infrared radiation may be involved in the observed Ki-effects.
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same as it ever was
same as it ever was
same as it ever was

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Science's self-assumed responsibility has been self-limited to disclosure to society only of the separate, supposedly physical (because separately weighable) atomic component isolations data. Synergetic integrity would require the scientists to announce that in reality what had been identified heretofore as physical is entirely metaphysical-because synergetically weightless. Metaphysical has been science's designation for all weightless phenomena such as thought. But science has made no experimental finding of any phenomena that can be described as a solid, or as continuous, or as a straight surface plane, or as a straight line, or as infinite anything. We are now synergetically forced to conclude that all phenomena are metaphysical; wherefore, as many have long suspected-like it or not-life is but a dream.

Science has found no up or down directions of Universe, yet scientists are personally so ill-coordinated that they all still personally and sensorially see "solids" going up or down-as, for instance, they see the Sun "going down." Sensorially disconnected from their theoretically evolved information, scientists discern no need on their part to suggest any educational reforms to correct the misconceiving that science has tolerated for half a millennium.

Society depends upon its scientists for just such educational reform guidance. Where else might society turn for advice? Unguided by science, society is allowed to go right on filling its childrens' brain banks with large inventories of competence-devastating misinformation. In order to emerge from its massive ignorance, society will probably have to rely exclusively upon its individuals' own minds to survey the pertinent experimental data-as do all great scientist-artists. This, in effect, is what the intuition of world-around youth is beginning to do. Mind can see that reality is evoluting into weightless metaphysics. The wellspring of reality is the family of weightless generalized principles.

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So how is this "woo-woo stuff". As far as I know science has never said that meditiation was bad, or that it couldn't affect the brain.
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bump for the implications in potentiality



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Thanks for your post. I must say that until recently (see below) I kind of consdiered science a block to awakening, an opponent to spirit, if you like, that they were mutually exclusive. This reading, below, gently allowed me to examine it from a different perspective.

OBJECTIVE SCIENCE AND SUBJECTIVE GNOSIS

If Christianity and Islam could rediscover their common Gnostic roots the world would enter a new era of spiritual tolerance and eclecticism. But
is not going to happen. Fundamentalism is growing. And this is in large part because there is a new cult in town, which has become so popular it is threatening the old established cults, and they are worried.

They tried hard to kill it at birth, but it was unstoppable. They cannot begin to compete with its magic. Its devotees promise no end to the power it will eventually bestow upon humanity. This modern sorcery which has bewitched the world is Science.

The visionaries who inspired the birth of modern Science were violently
persecuted by the Literalist Christian Church, which has left a bitter
aftertaste of antagonism between Science and religion. And rightly so. Science is based on the freedom to question. Religion is based on the duty to
believe. But religion and spirituality are not the same thing. Whilst Science
is a natural enemy of religion, it is a natural ally of Gnostic spirituality.

Indeed, Science finds its roots in Pagan Gnosticism, as the greatest scientists have acknowledged. Galileo and Copernicus saw themselves as reviving the Pythagorean tradition. Newton regarded his studies of ancient myths as more important than his scientific works and claimed to have made the perennial Gnostic discovery of a common meaning
underlying all mythology. In the twentieth century, the great physicist
Wolfgang Pauli was passionately interested in the Christian Gnostics.
Werner Heisenberg, a winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics, asserted that
modern science 'confirmed Pythagoras' beliefs to an inconceivable degree'. Albert Einstein, an icon of Science, writes of his experience of sci-
entific inquiry in words that could be those of the great Gnostic masters:

'The most important function of science is to awaken the cosmic religious feeling and keep it alive. It is very dinicult to explain this feeling to anyone who is entirely without it. The individual feels the nothingness of human desires and aims, and the sublimity and marvellous order which reveal themselves both in nature and in the world of thought. He looks upon individual existence as a sort of prison and wants to experience the universe as a significant whole."

Despite the fact that cutting-edge scientists present an ever more abstract
picture of the universe, amongst the uninitiated, Science is equated with
materialism - perhaps the ultimate torm ot Literalism. Materialism seeks to reduce everything to physics, because matter is all that exists. But the
great physicists do not endorse this sort of crass reductionism. In fact it is in physics, which should he the bedrock of materialism, that the world-
view of scientific Literalism has fallen apart.

Science is not essentially Literaiist, however. It is the legacy of Pagan
Gnosticism and at its heart are Gnostic values. Both Science and Gnosticism are based on questioning what is taken for granted. Both refuse to accept anything on blind faith. Both regard conceptual pictures of the world as working models. Like the ancient Crnostics, modern sci-
entists are internationalists who embrace each other's discoveries regard-
less of nationality or political ideology. In fact 'Gnostic' and 'scientist' mean exactly the same thing: knower.

Science and Gnosticism are complementary ways of exploring the mystics of existence. Science is concerned with objective knowledge about cosmos. Gnosticism is concerned with subjective self-knowledge.

Science is concerned with the tangible appearances, Gnosticism with the ineffable essence. Science is about solving the relative mysteries of the
world of becoming. Gnosticism is about dissolving into the Absolute Mvstery of Being. Science is attempting to understand something so comnplex that it can't be comprehended. Gnosticism is attempting to understand something so simple that it can't be comprehended.

Science is collective venture over time. Gnosis is immediate and can only be
attained individually.

Coul the future see a return to the aricient understanding of subjective
spirituality and objective Science as complementary sides of humanity's
ploration of existence? This would require a revolution in the way
understand life - a rejection of Literalism and the rejuvenation of
Gnosticism. That may seem unlikely, but the future often hits us from the
direction we weren't looking in. Perhaps it is not the birth of the Space
Age we are witnessing, but of the Inner Space Age, in which we begin a
collective exploration of Consciousness and the great existential mysteries of life and death.

pp191-193Jesus and the Lost Goddess
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Part of communication is getting people to read or listen to what is being communicated. If putting woo-woo in the heading achieved that, well and good.

For MANY years science dismissed meditation as the mental equivalent of a placebo and dismissed it as having a physiological, scientific explanation, in a physical sense. That has certainly changed. These are the first studies I ever read giving scientific (positivist measurement) to the Ki Training, premise.
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[link to www.time.com]

Why have so few studies tested the efficacy of yoga? For lots of reasons. Those sympathetic to yoga think the benefits are proved by millenniums of empirical evidence in India; those who are suspicious think it can't be proved. (Says Coble: "There seem to be no data to substantiate the argument that yoga can heal.") Further, its effects on the body and mind are so complex and pervasive that it would be nearly impossible to certify any specific changes in the body to yoga. The double-blind test, beloved of traditional researchers, is impossible when one group in a study is practicing healthy yoga; what is the control group to practice — bad yoga? Finally, the traditional funders of studies, the pharmaceutical giants, see no financial payoff in validating yoga: no patentable therapies, no pills. (Ornish's prostate-cancer study was funded by private organizations, including the Michael Milken Foundation.)

at the heart of the western medical establishment's skepticism of yoga is a profound hubris: the belief that what we have been able to prove so far is all that is true. At the beginning of the 20th century, doctors and researchers surely looked back at the beginning of the 19th and smiled at how primitive "medical science" had been. A century from now, we may look back at today's body of lore with the same condescension.

"In modern medicine, we're actually doing a lot more guesswork than we let on," says Demers. "We want to say we understand everything. We don't understand half of it. It's scary how clueless we are." Desperate patients consult half a dozen specialists and get half a dozen conflicting opinions. "Well, of course," Dr. Toby Brown, a Manassas, Va., radiologist says impatiently, "it's not as if medicine is a science." Hence the appeal of alternative medicine: aromatherapy, homeopathy, ginkgo biloba. Proponents may be crusading scientists or snake-oil salesmen, but either way, their pitch falls on eager ears: each year Americans spend some $27 billion on so-called complementary medicine. "One lesson of the alternative health-care movement," McCall warns, "is that the public is not going to wait for doctors to get it together."
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in my mind they really have'nt discovered anything new for thousands of years
if you really look at all the constants they throw around as mislabling
it all basic stuff repackaged
i throw the stuff out inna non serious tone because that's just one of the ways i am

Heisenberg's uncertainty principle
Feynman's Conjecture: A general connection of the quantum coupling constants with π was anticipated by R. P. Feynman in a remarkable intuitional leap some 40 years ago as can be seen from the following much quoted extract from one of Feynman's books.

There is a most profound and beautiful question associated with the observed coupling constant, e the amplitude for a real electron to emit or absorb a real photon. It is a simple number that has been experimentally determined to be close to -0.08542455. (My physicist friends won't recognize this number, because they like to remember it as the inverse of its square: about 137.03597 with about an uncertainty of about 2 in the last decimal place. It has been a mystery ever since it was discovered more than fifty years ago, and all good theoretical physicists put this number up on their wall and worry about it.) Immediately you would like to know where this number for a coupling comes from: is it related to pi or perhaps to the base of natural logarithms? Nobody knows. It's one of the greatest damn mysteries of physics: a magic number that comes to us with no understanding by man. You might say the "hand of God" wrote that number, and "we don't know how He pushed his pencil." We know what kind of a dance to do experimentally to measure this number very accurately, but we don't know what kind of dance to do on the computer to make this number come out, without putting it in secretly!

if y look at )))as((( thread that prime thaing says the same exact stuff

phi which really isn't a number at all

Stability of the relativistic rotating electron-positron jet and superluminal motion of knots

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I tend toward the view that Science is a particular way to explain things already in existence. Perhaps, that is what the writer above, in the gnostic extract, is suggesting... two sides, same coin.

Science has long eschewed anecdotes as evidence/proof... spiritualists utilise anecdote, parable to convey a meaning. And as I read stuff, from Gnostic to Islamic, Seth to Christianity, RA to Mayan and so on... there is s ingle golden thread running through them all which leads to The Source, The One, the similarity of stories, of evidence, of experiences...
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Sound is silence moving...

Humans are of sound... silence is the source...

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I don't know the answer to your question Postie, but I know there are still some scientists who don't consider "therapists" to be "scientists" (wink)
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LOL!

I can recall a thread here a few months ago where Freyja and someone else wrote "the rapist" for therapist...made me chuckle and think do-do-do-do-do!
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Agreed, nothing like massage to help with purifying and relaxing...so it has toxicity, internal physical health and stress release... Have you ever tried to find another masseuse?
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Dear sweet Elinor, the caress of the universe in a stroke, deep and light, and washing away the impurities of time

Where do you live, what city/town?
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kitties
what can ya do

Much of this research focuses on stem cells, one of several types of general cells that can give rise to specialized cells, like neurons. It was once thought that human stem cells were only found in embryos, and in bone marrow, where they produce blood cells. But stem cells are also being found in adults, including the brain and the eye. For example, stems cells steadily replace dead neurons in the olfactory bulb, which transmits scent signals to the brain, and the hippocampal dentate gyrus, an area that organizes short-term memory.

“We’ve found that the axons, the parts of the nerves that transmit signals, try to regenerate after an injury but get caught in the scar. It’s like they’re stuck in the mud,” Horner said.

Salamanders don’t get glaucoma because they can readily regenerate retinal cells. The same is true of newts, frogs, and some types of fish





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