Quantum mechanics show that there is NO MASS...and thats a gamechanger | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31869061 Canada 01/30/2013 12:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | mass is ultimately an illusion since it can be cancelled out Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31869061 physics 101 but also ultimately, our feeble little brains probably have no sense whatsoever of the real inner workings of the universe so i guess we amuse ourselves with our little persoanal pet theories - me inclided. but that's alright. doesn't really hurt to try to make sense of things. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6476436 United States 01/30/2013 01:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For Pete's sake. There is no Aether. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6476436 It was conjured up during ancient times, and thankfully went the way of the Dodo during the late 19th-early 20th century due to advances in physics. You mean when the church was controlling and then censoring everything the scientists were figuring out? Then murdering said scientists? The church was not killing scientists in the late 19th-early 20th century. What are you even talking about? |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 01/30/2013 01:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For Pete's sake. There is no Aether. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6476436 It was conjured up during ancient times, and thankfully went the way of the Dodo during the late 19th-early 20th century due to advances in physics. You mean when the church was controlling and then censoring everything the scientists were figuring out? Then murdering said scientists? The church was not killing scientists in the late 19th-early 20th century. What are you even talking about? Ok, wrong centuries, but you knew what I meant, anyway, you're right, everything is out in the open and there is no aether. Last Edited by Isis One on 01/30/2013 02:04 AM Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25295014 Malaysia 01/30/2013 02:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1) I read some science articles that says everything (matter or objects around us) that we are not looking at it (like we close our eyes) everything are in a soup of energy ? Did I got that right ? if yes then how come even I close my eyes and touch things that feels solid ? 2)About the double silt experiment, I tried it at home but could not see the interference pattern. Was it because I was looking at it (Quantum being observed causes the collapse of the wave function ?). How do I go about making that experiment work so that I could see the weird things that the scientists are talking about 3)Is QM saying that like right now if I close my eyes, the monitor in front of me can be anywhere - out in space of in another room, only when I open my eyes then the collapse of the wave make the monitor appears in front of me ? if yes, how did the scientist come to this conclusion ? Thanks and please be gentle on me as I am new to QM QM layman |
AgnosticDeity User ID: 25353204 United States 01/30/2013 03:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi, I am new to Quantum Mechanics. Can I ask something about Quantum Mechanics? (but 1st sorry about my poor grammar). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25295014 1) I read some science articles that says everything (matter or objects around us) that we are not looking at it (like we close our eyes) everything are in a soup of energy ? Did I got that right ? if yes then how come even I close my eyes and touch things that feels solid ? 2)About the double silt experiment, I tried it at home but could not see the interference pattern. Was it because I was looking at it (Quantum being observed causes the collapse of the wave function ?). How do I go about making that experiment work so that I could see the weird things that the scientists are talking about 3)Is QM saying that like right now if I close my eyes, the monitor in front of me can be anywhere - out in space of in another room, only when I open my eyes then the collapse of the wave make the monitor appears in front of me ? if yes, how did the scientist come to this conclusion ? Thanks and please be gentle on me as I am new to QM QM layman 1. Observation doesn't always have to be done by eye. Any of the five senses will do that for you. 2. Not really sure what you did with Young's interference expiriment. 3. Read up on Heisenberg's uncertainty principle for starters... That just scratches the surface of your question. It isn't that your monitor is off galavanting all over the cosmos while you aren't looking at it. But the subatomic particles of it are, even while you are looking at the monitor as a whole. Quantum physics is a really interesting subject, but it is still relativity young. There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened. |
Curiosity (OP) User ID: 10381696 Denmark 01/30/2013 04:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Observation doesn't always have to be done by eye. Any of the five senses will do that for you. 2. Not really sure what you did with Young's interference expiriment. 3. Read up on Heisenberg's uncertainty principle for starters... That just scratches the surface of your question. It isn't that your monitor is off galavanting all over the cosmos while you aren't looking at it. But the subatomic particles of it are, even while you are looking at the monitor as a whole. Quantum physics is a really interesting subject, but it is still relativity young. Well...QM has almost 100 years of history now.....and its extreme well proven in terms of expirements, practical use etc. |
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Janus198 User ID: 875736 United States 01/30/2013 04:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is not only mass on the atomic level, there is mass at the wave level. Further, it will eventually be discovered that time is matter and has mass as well. Of course there is electronic signature throughout, but there is also mass throughout. Janus198 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1663367 Poland 01/30/2013 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi, I am new to Quantum Mechanics. Can I ask something about Quantum Mechanics? (but 1st sorry about my poor grammar). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25295014 1) I read some science articles that says everything (matter or objects around us) that we are not looking at it (like we close our eyes) everything are in a soup of energy ? Did I got that right ? if yes then how come even I close my eyes and touch things that feels solid ? 2)About the double silt experiment, I tried it at home but could not see the interference pattern. Was it because I was looking at it (Quantum being observed causes the collapse of the wave function ?). How do I go about making that experiment work so that I could see the weird things that the scientists are talking about 3)Is QM saying that like right now if I close my eyes, the monitor in front of me can be anywhere - out in space of in another room, only when I open my eyes then the collapse of the wave make the monitor appears in front of me ? if yes, how did the scientist come to this conclusion ? Thanks and please be gentle on me as I am new to QM QM layman QM phenomena (supposedly) only happen at the particle level (though apparently that is now being challenged) so anything larger than an atom will typically only obey classical mechanics. Admittedly, the limit which divides QM from CM seems to be getting larger. [link to www.nature.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32903826 United States 01/30/2013 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi, I am new to Quantum Mechanics. Can I ask something about Quantum Mechanics? (but 1st sorry about my poor grammar). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25295014 2)About the double silt experiment, I tried it at home but could not see the interference pattern. Was it because I was looking at it (Quantum being observed causes the collapse of the wave function ?). How do I go about making that experiment work so that I could see the weird things that the scientists are talking about it's tricky to do because you need very coherent light (not a diffuse like a light bulb) and the double slits have to be very narrow and close together. here's some ideas (after i googled "how to do young's double slit experiment" :) [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.cavendishscience.org] [link to www.wikihow.com] [link to video.mit.edu] |
AgnosticDeity User ID: 24985811 United States 01/30/2013 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Observation doesn't always have to be done by eye. Any of the five senses will do that for you. 2. Not really sure what you did with Young's interference expiriment. 3. Read up on Heisenberg's uncertainty principle for starters... That just scratches the surface of your question. It isn't that your monitor is off galavanting all over the cosmos while you aren't looking at it. But the subatomic particles of it are, even while you are looking at the monitor as a whole. Quantum physics is a really interesting subject, but it is still relativity young. Well...QM has almost 100 years of history now.....and its extreme well proven in terms of expirements, practical use etc. Considering that physics has been around for over 2,000 years, at least since the Archaic period in Greece (650 – 480 BCE) with the Pre-Socratic philosophers. Then quantum physics can be considered in its infancy. I do not dispute the fact that it is moving forward in leaps and bounds, and proving more of our models correct as time goes by. but as I said, this field of science is still relatively young when compared to other fields of physical science. There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened. |
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Waterbug User ID: 1295673 United States 01/30/2013 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know. every time they crack-open the next sub-atomic particle they get a hundred more pieces they have to investigate. this is starting to get old...... I don't think that segmentation of science is a good thing. The overall result is argument amongst theoreticals. Mine is better than yours. To understand interactions... one must investigate and consider all possibilities, without prejudice. This is not the way of the single-minded scientist. The fund-based system is greatly lacking. Falsification is a huge problem with grant-seekers. I have often wondered what might be achieved.. if the world's best and brightest were funded without bias. |
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Waterbug User ID: 1295673 United States 01/30/2013 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know. every time they crack-open the next sub-atomic particle they get a hundred more pieces they have to investigate. this is starting to get old...... I don't think that segmentation of science is a good thing. The overall result is argument amongst theoreticals. Mine is better than yours. To understand interactions... one must investigate and consider all possibilities, without prejudice. This is not the way of the single-minded scientist. The fund-based system is greatly lacking. Falsification is a huge problem with grant-seekers. I have often wondered what might be achieved.. if the world's best and brightest were funded without bias. well, this is where the value of "ivory tower" theoreticians like Einstein and Feynman comes into play. they take all the segmented pieces of information that have been collected by the researchers (the technicians) over the years and correlate it all into coherent packages of "schools of thought" that catapult the field to the next glorious level. Yes... in some ways. But, what of Tesla..? |
Waterbug User ID: 1295673 United States 01/30/2013 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Waterbug I don't think that segmentation of science is a good thing. The overall result is argument amongst theoreticals. Mine is better than yours. To understand interactions... one must investigate and consider all possibilities, without prejudice. This is not the way of the single-minded scientist. The fund-based system is greatly lacking. Falsification is a huge problem with grant-seekers. I have often wondered what might be achieved.. if the world's best and brightest were funded without bias. well, this is where the value of "ivory tower" theoreticians like Einstein and Feynman comes into play. they take all the segmented pieces of information that have been collected by the researchers (the technicians) over the years and correlate it all into coherent packages of "schools of thought" that catapult the field to the next glorious level. Yes... in some ways. But, what of Tesla..? well, there is no question that he invented all of "alternating current electrical generating systems" from which many people just stole his ideas and then built-up the technology. George Westinghouse built the Niagara Falls project with Tesla's designs (and then Tesla gave all of the rights to the system to Westinghouse, free gratis)... and, no doubt, many other top researchers were influenced by his ideas in the first half of the 20th century. but, nobody was willing to opening acclaim him simply because he was a Mystic. Yes... and therein lies the rub. |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 01/31/2013 01:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know. every time they crack-open the next sub-atomic particle they get a hundred more pieces they have to investigate. this is starting to get old...... The Gregg Braden Video that someone posted goes into this. We are co-creating with the universe. As soon as we think of the next question, the next level/layer of uncertainty opens up....which is pretty cool. Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Curiosity (OP) User ID: 10381696 Denmark 01/31/2013 04:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know. every time they crack-open the next sub-atomic particle they get a hundred more pieces they have to investigate. this is starting to get old...... The Gregg Braden Video that someone posted goes into this. We are co-creating with the universe. As soon as we think of the next question, the next level/layer of uncertainty opens up....which is pretty cool. Spot on. Actually it means that "evolution" is "DISCOVERY"......meaning that the evolutionary jumps we take, actually happens when "we" discover something that actually has been there all the time....as a potential! This means that - if we would - we could make "evolution" a developmental process, and not something depending on chaos. |
Curiosity (OP) User ID: 10381696 Denmark 01/31/2013 04:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know. every time they crack-open the next sub-atomic particle they get a hundred more pieces they have to investigate. this is starting to get old...... The Gregg Braden Video that someone posted goes into this. We are co-creating with the universe. As soon as we think of the next question, the next level/layer of uncertainty opens up....which is pretty cool. Spot on. Actually it means that "evolution" is "DISCOVERY"......meaning that the evolutionary jumps we take, actually happens when "we" discover something that actually has been there all the time....as a potential! This means that - if we would - we could make "evolution" a developmental process, and not something depending on chaos. ....this is what is refered to as "Man as God"! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 01/31/2013 11:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For Pete's sake. There is no Aether. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6476436 It was conjured up during ancient times, and thankfully went the way of the Dodo during the late 19th-early 20th century due to advances in physics. Some speculation is that the Higgs-Boson particle is not a particle, but a field. Basically it is the new name for the aether. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 01/31/2013 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For Pete's sake. There is no Aether. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6476436 It was conjured up during ancient times, and thankfully went the way of the Dodo during the late 19th-early 20th century due to advances in physics. Some speculation is that the Higgs-Boson particle is not a particle, but a field. Basically it is the new name for the aether. yes. Physics did away with the Aether in 1920 because of what Einstein said. but, now Physics is having to bring back the Aether, because Physics has discovered that the Vacuum of Space is NOT a vacuum at all, but, rather, the primordial soup of churning virtual particles popping in and out of Reality, and so the Aether is now needed as the Medium for that soup. A soup of plasma and Birkeland Currents, with an underlying mesh of dormant electricity and magnetism. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States 01/31/2013 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Septenary Man Some speculation is that the Higgs-Boson particle is not a particle, but a field. Basically it is the new name for the aether. yes. Physics did away with the Aether in 1920 because of what Einstein said. but, now Physics is having to bring back the Aether, because Physics has discovered that the Vacuum of Space is NOT a vacuum at all, but, rather, the primordial soup of churning virtual particles popping in and out of Reality, and so the Aether is now needed as the Medium for that soup. A soup of plasma and Birkeland Currents, with an underlying mesh of dormant electricity and magnetism. in any event, the so called "Vacuum of Space" is in fact the Bedrock of the entire Universe. agree |
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Waterbug User ID: 1295673 United States 01/31/2013 12:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thank you. yes, indeed. Dark Matter is an astounding discovery. and nobody, yet, has a beginning clue as to what it might be. no doubt the Future holds great wonders for us to find. I believe that it is the master key to unlocking the secrets of everything else. Enter the medium into which it all comes together. Matter, anti-matter, gravity.. the true nature of electro-magnetism in space. Cosmic soup.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3795766 United States 01/31/2013 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For almost a century science has known that there is NO MASS - only consciousness. Quoting: Curiosity 10381696 Did you know that ? IF you did not know that - help me find out why this extremely important information didn't reach you (....just as 98% of the population) ? Spend a few minutes with scientist Amit Goswami and broaden your mind - if you get it......you will change. [link to www.youtube.com] If you get it - you will understand that you are a spirit having a human expirence. I'd have to say this is a good theory. Just looking at our "sky buddies" (fallen angels). They appear as pure energy, balls of light then(sometimes) transform into solid mettalic objects. If you happen to catch them at the moment of transformation they can't finalize the transformation and appear as gaseous bubbling metallic masses. Which is probably related to a little understood effect our observation has like the double slit experiment or the reason ED Ledskalin wouldn't/couldn't let anyone watch while he built coral castle. Our mere observation changes things for some reason. Matter is energy, gravity is the effect of the draw of energy (4-Space/Ether whatever) the matter is consuming to maintain "physicality". We're pretty close to understanding things that can be considered magic. Making things appear out of seemingly thin air ect. |
chrion777 User ID: 27745441 United States 01/31/2013 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And I thought the american school system was bad. You sir, are an idiot. Of course there is mass, I have a degree in physics and can assure you there is mass. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32353371 I have, my entire time, had a difficult time wrapping my head around quantum physics. Seems that each time an experiment is performed where a new, smaller particle is found, the former particle is found to be made up of mostly empty space and a massless energy. So the search continues to find what gives matter mass. I haven't watched the video...I will in a bit, but I'd like to ask you what does give mass to all that is around us? The Higgs field, apparently. I really hope someone sorts out the mysteries of QM in my lifetime, then we can finally rid ourselves of the new-age crackpots. Here's the deal. There is a qauntom state to the universe. Who gives it order? Who colapses the probability field? G-d does. This is why you have all these new-age crackpots thinking that they can 'attract' whatever they want through positive thinking. I think I can, I think I can, I think I can. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25295014 Malaysia 02/03/2013 01:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks guys for helping me to understand more of QM (but I have to admits I am still blur about it) Thanks for the link to Young's double silt experiment, I will try it again (i tried to use the quotes of your statement but it didn't work...sorry) Niels Bohr once said 'Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it'...well I am shocked about QM but I still don't understand it And Einstein once said 'I like to believe that the moon is still there when I am not looking at it' after Bohr theory suggested that everything in the world is an illusion. That really make me more blur, did he said that things when we don't look at it will dissolve in wave, only when we look at it then it will become a particle instead of wave like in Young's double silt experiment ? |