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*+if god exits then why did he wait until 98% of the human race had lived and died before he decided to speak his message a few thousand years ago i thought he wanted to save us what about all though poor people that existed beforehe got around to telling us his commandments how were they supposed to avoid sin if they didnt know they were doing wrong .imagine you had a boss at work who never told you what to do for weeks and then condemened you for all the mistakes y
ou made just woulnt be right would it?any one care to explain this anomalie
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No no.

God created us at first because he was lonely. Adam n Eve.

Then... Satan fucked us up.

So God was like... Hmmm.... I'm not sure which ones are fucked up now or not. So I'll watch 'em. The ones that are fucked up I will burn in Hell forever. And the ones that are okay, I will take up to Heaven...

After awhile God noticed he was only getting a trickle of good people into heaven. He looked down at the planet and was like... "Whaaa?"

So he flooded the place and tried to start over.

This worked for a bit, and then there was some more trouble.

God looked down and noticed that the Egyptians were really fucking up the Jews. And God was like, "I like Jews way more than anyone else. They play the harp really well up here in heaven."

So he killed a bunch of Egyptians and freed the Jews.

But then he was like... "I dunno. A lot of these Jews might be fucked up too."

So he had them walk through the desert and stuff. And he started 'testing' them really really hard. By totally making their lives miserable.

And then...

God looked down and the Jews had been taken over by the pharysees or whatever.

So God was like, "Ugh. Should I flood them? Should I smite them? Hmmm... lets try something different."

So God created a son in Mary with a bunch of love power.

Jesus reminded everyone to Love God no matter what. And showed them by allowing himself to be crucified and tortured. A typical execution of the day.

And the Jews were like... "I get it. This is all a test. And if we stick with God no matter what.... we go to Heaven!"

And then...

up to present God hasn't had to come back and do anything. So apparently there are enough good people going to heaven.

That's about it.

So all the foreigners n stuff, n people who were born without knowledge of the bible. God judges them too. And sends some heaven and burns the rest for fuel or whatever. And I guess he likes enough of them that he doesn't have to come down and intervene in their lives. They are making their quotas.

So Earth is like a 'good people' making factory. And it has lots of quality control testing done all the time.

And the only reason God came down and even made the Bible be written is because things were so fucked up that everyone was going to Hell.

Kind of like if you have a bottle factory, and ninety nine percent of your bottles were coming out cracked. You'd have to go into the plant and tweak the bottle maker.

And at some point in the future, when enough good people have been made, God is going close down the plant, and sort out the people who are left.

At any rate... I just made all that up. That actually makes a sort of sense.

The truth is Christians have no answer for that question. Because they force themselves not to think, and atrophy portions of their brains.

And I didn't make that up. Scientific fact.
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No no.

God created us at first because he was lonely. Adam n Eve.

Then... Satan fucked us up.

So God was like... Hmmm.... I'm not sure which ones are fucked up now or not. So I'll watch 'em. The ones that are fucked up I will burn in Hell forever. And the ones that are okay, I will take up to Heaven...

After awhile God noticed he was only getting a trickle of good people into heaven. He looked down at the planet and was like... "Whaaa?"

So he flooded the place and tried to start over.

This worked for a bit, and then there was some more trouble.

God looked down and noticed that the Egyptians were really fucking up the Jews. And God was like, "I like Jews way more than anyone else. They play the harp really well up here in heaven."

So he killed a bunch of Egyptians and freed the Jews.

But then he was like... "I dunno. A lot of these Jews might be fucked up too."

So he had them walk through the desert and stuff. And he started 'testing' them really really hard. By totally making their lives miserable.

And then...

God looked down and the Jews had been taken over by the pharysees or whatever.

So God was like, "Ugh. Should I flood them? Should I smite them? Hmmm... lets try something different."

So God created a son in Mary with a bunch of love power.

Jesus reminded everyone to Love God no matter what. And showed them by allowing himself to be crucified and tortured. A typical execution of the day.

And the Jews were like... "I get it. This is all a test. And if we stick with God no matter what.... we go to Heaven!"

And then...

up to present God hasn't had to come back and do anything. So apparently there are enough good people going to heaven.

That's about it.

So all the foreigners n stuff, n people who were born without knowledge of the bible. God judges them too. And sends some heaven and burns the rest for fuel or whatever. And I guess he likes enough of them that he doesn't have to come down and intervene in their lives. They are making their quotas.

So Earth is like a 'good people' making factory. And it has lots of quality control testing done all the time.

And the only reason God came down and even made the Bible be written is because things were so fucked up that everyone was going to Hell.

Kind of like if you have a bottle factory, and ninety nine percent of your bottles were coming out cracked. You'd have to go into the plant and tweak the bottle maker.

And at some point in the future, when enough good people have been made, God is going close down the plant, and sort out the people who are left.

At any rate... I just made all that up. That actually makes a sort of sense.

The truth is Christians have no answer for that question. Because they force themselves not to think, and atrophy portions of their brains.

And I didn't make that up. Scientific fact.
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Since this was so inaccurate, I thought you were trying to be funny. Not funny either. Then I understood when I saw the last few lines. I guess a new study is necessary to see if using certain parts of the brain actually make you think and act like a retard.
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Actually the process of thoughts are unknown, to the public anyways.

some interesting articles on calcium waves, in one form of glial cell, but thats it.
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so itseems at last the christians have a question they cannot answer , why did god forsake 98% of human beings what on earth was hee doing inbetwwen creation and creating christanity maybe he was on holiday or just sat there watching us who knows
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There are more people alive today than have ever existed previously. Human population was much lower thousands of years ago.
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fair point aboutpopulation in the past ,so why not send jesus in the past 50 years when there are billions that need saving and we have a global communication network that could spread it round the whole world , why did he send his son to talk to a largly uneducated and illiterate populace 2000 years ago. my god its still not reached many places in the world people have never heard of it. not the best way for him to spread his message. besides according to roman records there were hundreds of "messiahs" in mesopatamia all saying different things ,jesus was just lucky his scrolls survived the passage of time, a bit like khefre in egypt there is only one statue of him surviving yet he had the biggest pyramid yet we know more of other egyption nobles because more of there artifacts survive
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*+if god exits then why did he wait until 98% of the human race had lived and died before he decided to speak his message a few thousand years ago i thought he wanted to save us what about all though poor people that existed beforehe got around to telling us his commandments how were they supposed to avoid sin if they didnt know they were doing wrong .imagine you had a boss at work who never told you what to do for weeks and then condemened you for all the mistakes y
ou made just woulnt be right would it?any one care to explain this anomalie
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didnt read the post, dont have too, because you didnt read the bible. im no bible thumper, but lets pretend that even if god didnt exist, and i do believe he does, but lets pretend he doesnt. if people listened too and lived by the bible the world would infact be a better, nicer place, isint that worth something? ZzZzzzzzzzzzz
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everybody needs to remember one thing, the idiots that wanna bann your rights, the idiots that say well why does he let children starve to death etc, he doesnt, evil people do tho. and heaven wasent ment to be on earth.
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So his will could be achieved. Faith which is a big thing to the Father would become obsolete if you had it your way. How could the Father reward the good and the bad if everyone knew he was real?
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So his will could be achieved. Faith which is a big thing to the Father would become obsolete if you had it your way. How could the Father reward the good and the bad if everyone knew he was real?
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yep, people wanna act like gods here to serve you, we are here to serve him, he created you. if heaven was on earth what would be the point even listening to his word? there will always be good people and bad people, why do you think here in america we have cities like chicago, where a free man cant carry a handgun concealed for his own protection, but has one of the highest crime rates in the country? you wanna talk logic? The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing. most people dont understand things they are told or read in this day and age.
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So his will could be achieved. Faith which is a big thing to the Father would become obsolete if you had it your way. How could the Father reward the good and the bad if everyone knew he was real?
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thought god new what was in everyones heart and it was all predetermined why would he care if the unjust had faithor not they have all ready been designated to be bad
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So his will could be achieved. Faith which is a big thing to the Father would become obsolete if you had it your way. How could the Father reward the good and the bad if everyone knew he was real?
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thought god new what was in everyones heart and it was all predetermined why would he care if the unjust had faithor not they have all ready been designated to be bad
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because god loves everybody, he doesnt want you to be bad, he wants you to come to the light. remember, even satan was an angel at one point. but enough about this i know better then to argue with a fool.
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So his will could be achieved. Faith which is a big thing to the Father would become obsolete if you had it your way. How could the Father reward the good and the bad if everyone knew he was real?
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thought god new what was in everyones heart and it was all predetermined why would he care if the unjust had faithor not they have all ready been designated to be bad
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Everyone has free-will to be obedient to his holy law and to accept or reject his beloved son's sacrifice. Otherwise, how could anyone be judged? We have been given a choice, choose life or death. He does know what will transpire but we still have free-will to decide our fate.
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So his will could be achieved. Faith which is a big thing to the Father would become obsolete if you had it your way. How could the Father reward the good and the bad if everyone knew he was real?
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thought god new what was in everyones heart and it was all predetermined why would he care if the unjust had faithor not they have all ready been designated to be bad
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Everyone has free-will to be obedient to his holy law and to accept or reject his beloved son's sacrifice. Otherwise, how could anyone be judged? We have been given a choice, choose life or death. He does know what will transpire but we still have free-will to decide our fate.
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i agree with this 110% when adam and eve eat the fruit and gained knowledge aginst gods will, that set our fate. we got free well and cast out from the garden. you do infact have the free will to do as you please, just know you will one day be judged for it. you dont have to believe that, thats your free will. and when i say heaven wasent ment to be on earth, that doesnt mean we shouldnt try to do right, and try to better mankind. it just means man isint perfect, and wasent ment to be. goodday.
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So his will could be achieved. Faith which is a big thing to the Father would become obsolete if you had it your way. How could the Father reward the good and the bad if everyone knew he was real?
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thought god new what was in everyones heart and it was all predetermined why would he care if the unjust had faithor not they have all ready been designated to be bad
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34217699


Everyone has free-will to be obedient to his holy law and to accept or reject his beloved son's sacrifice. Otherwise, how could anyone be judged? We have been given a choice, choose life or death. He does know what will transpire but we still have free-will to decide our fate.
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i agree with this 110% when adam and eve eat the fruit and gained knowledge aginst gods will, that set our fate. we got free well and cast out from the garden. you do infact have the free will to do as you please, just know you will one day be judged for it. you dont have to believe that, thats your free will. and when i say heaven wasent ment to be on earth, that doesnt mean we shouldnt try to do right, and try to better mankind. it just means man isint perfect, and wasent ment to be. goodday.
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oh and sorry for the grammar.
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So his will could be achieved. Faith which is a big thing to the Father would become obsolete if you had it your way. How could the Father reward the good and the bad if everyone knew he was real?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34172692


thought god new what was in everyones heart and it was all predetermined why would he care if the unjust had faithor not they have all ready been designated to be bad
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34217699


Everyone has free-will to be obedient to his holy law and to accept or reject his beloved son's sacrifice. Otherwise, how could anyone be judged? We have been given a choice, choose life or death. He does know what will transpire but we still have free-will to decide our fate.
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i agree with this 110% when adam and eve eat the fruit and gained knowledge aginst gods will, that set our fate. we got free well and cast out from the garden. you do infact have the free will to do as you please, just know you will one day be judged for it. you dont have to believe that, thats your free will. and when i say heaven wasent ment to be on earth, that doesnt mean we shouldnt try to do right, and try to better mankind. it just means man isint perfect, and wasent ment to be. goodday.
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So his will could be achieved. Faith which is a big thing to the Father would become obsolete if you had it your way. How could the Father reward the good and the bad if everyone knew he was real?
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thought god new what was in everyones heart and it was all predetermined why would he care if the unjust had faithor not they have all ready been designated to be bad
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because god loves everybody, he doesnt want you to be bad, he wants you to come to the light. remember, even satan was an angel at one point. but enough about this i know better then to argue with a fool.
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hah a "fool" who is currently studying theology at university and who hopes to become a vicar. you see us fools at uni are taught to question things even religeon even question things that are close to our heart. would god want you to insult me and call me a fool you have judged me only god can do that chum
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No no.

God created us at first because he was lonely. Adam n Eve.

Then... Satan fucked us up.

So God was like... Hmmm.... I'm not sure which ones are fucked up now or not. So I'll watch 'em. The ones that are fucked up I will burn in Hell forever. And the ones that are okay, I will take up to Heaven...

After awhile God noticed he was only getting a trickle of good people into heaven. He looked down at the planet and was like... "Whaaa?"

So he flooded the place and tried to start over.

This worked for a bit, and then there was some more trouble.

God looked down and noticed that the Egyptians were really fucking up the Jews. And God was like, "I like Jews way more than anyone else. They play the harp really well up here in heaven."

So he killed a bunch of Egyptians and freed the Jews.

But then he was like... "I dunno. A lot of these Jews might be fucked up too."

So he had them walk through the desert and stuff. And he started 'testing' them really really hard. By totally making their lives miserable.

And then...

God looked down and the Jews had been taken over by the pharysees or whatever.

So God was like, "Ugh. Should I flood them? Should I smite them? Hmmm... lets try something different."

So God created a son in Mary with a bunch of love power.

Jesus reminded everyone to Love God no matter what. And showed them by allowing himself to be crucified and tortured. A typical execution of the day.

And the Jews were like... "I get it. This is all a test. And if we stick with God no matter what.... we go to Heaven!"

And then...

up to present God hasn't had to come back and do anything. So apparently there are enough good people going to heaven.

That's about it.

So all the foreigners n stuff, n people who were born without knowledge of the bible. God judges them too. And sends some heaven and burns the rest for fuel or whatever. And I guess he likes enough of them that he doesn't have to come down and intervene in their lives. They are making their quotas.

So Earth is like a 'good people' making factory. And it has lots of quality control testing done all the time.

And the only reason God came down and even made the Bible be written is because things were so fucked up that everyone was going to Hell.

Kind of like if you have a bottle factory, and ninety nine percent of your bottles were coming out cracked. You'd have to go into the plant and tweak the bottle maker.

And at some point in the future, when enough good people have been made, God is going close down the plant, and sort out the people who are left.

At any rate... I just made all that up. That actually makes a sort of sense.

The truth is Christians have no answer for that question. Because they force themselves not to think, and atrophy portions of their brains.

And I didn't make that up. Scientific fact.
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So far the best explanation for all the mess.
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So his will could be achieved. Faith which is a big thing to the Father would become obsolete if you had it your way. How could the Father reward the good and the bad if everyone knew he was real?
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thought god new what was in everyones heart and it was all predetermined why would he care if the unjust had faithor not they have all ready been designated to be bad
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because god loves everybody, he doesnt want you to be bad, he wants you to come to the light. remember, even satan was an angel at one point. but enough about this i know better then to argue with a fool.
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hah a "fool" who is currently studying theology at university and who hopes to become a vicar. you see us fools at uni are taught to question things even religeon even question things that are close to our heart. would god want you to insult me and call me a fool you have judged me only god can do that chum
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i didnt judge you, i called you what i believe you are. and good for you, going to univerity, you must be like the first one ever to achieve such greatness. i question things all the time, i just question things worth questioning, wasent one of the smartest known men of our time, einstein infact jewish? Hmmmmmm....did he ever disprove god? btw did u really go and make two of these topics?
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everyone knows whats right and wrong
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thought god new what was in everyones heart and it was all predetermined why would he care if the unjust had faithor not they have all ready been designated to be bad
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because god loves everybody, he doesnt want you to be bad, he wants you to come to the light. remember, even satan was an angel at one point. but enough about this i know better then to argue with a fool.
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hah a "fool" who is currently studying theology at university and who hopes to become a vicar. you see us fools at uni are taught to question things even religeon even question things that are close to our heart. would god want you to insult me and call me a fool you have judged me only god can do that chum
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i didnt judge you, i called you what i believe you are. and good for you, going to univerity, you must be like the first one ever to achieve such greatness. i question things all the time, i just question things worth questioning, wasent one of the smartest known men of our time, einstein infact jewish? Hmmmmmm....did he ever disprove god? btw did u really go and make two of these topics?
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hitler was raised a catholic and he was one of the most vile people ever
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You base your question with in Christian philosophy so I'll keep my answer based on their view point as I know many and have spoken to many of "gods christian CHILDREN" as they are children with the adult version of santa clause.

When you ask them questions on "their" bible which they literally believe their bible is the HOLY word of god and is the TRUTH as they have the HOLY SPIRT possessing them allowing them to know it's the truth lul WAT ?? ??!

Then site to say KING JAMES THE 3rd EDITION the new testament is the HOLY TRUTH and their COPY is the truth but my copy of the bible is a lie ? ( I like to read but dont follow the occlut so I'm not a bible basher I just like to know the mind control programs) Unless it's their copy for some reason I don't get this at all is occlut in it's manifestation on this planet.


So we have a major Issue when discussing ANYTHING deep with these Christian tarts YES THEY ARE ALL SHEEP baaaa to a book they don't even understand with so much riddles and lies death and blood satanic sacrifice god damn seriously demonic shit in the bible the devil played well convincing man he didn't exist by becoming your LORD and saviour lols.

Not to say they are evil by no means just conditioned to be small minded with limited conscience awareness is like being caged in a prision for their minds as they are archetypes whom are easily lead astray. If one truly wishes to seek union with god and ask deeper questions I would avoid main stream religion and go deep into meditation as no one can tell you want the matrix is you need to see it for your self.

So in conclusion do not ask Christains anything to do with GOD or any other worldly matter as they havn't a clue they are like children in their awareness who still believe in fairy tales and lack the deeper thought processes to understand the truth and wisdom they have a 'bible' hmm well I have the AKASHIC RECORDS written in time and space its self hmm

Just watch their eyes next time you ask them questions is like possession they always look up to the right confused and dazed making up bullshit on the spot.
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because god loves everybody, he doesnt want you to be bad, he wants you to come to the light. remember, even satan was an angel at one point. but enough about this i know better then to argue with a fool.
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hah a "fool" who is currently studying theology at university and who hopes to become a vicar. you see us fools at uni are taught to question things even religeon even question things that are close to our heart. would god want you to insult me and call me a fool you have judged me only god can do that chum
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i didnt judge you, i called you what i believe you are. and good for you, going to univerity, you must be like the first one ever to achieve such greatness. i question things all the time, i just question things worth questioning, wasent one of the smartest known men of our time, einstein infact jewish? Hmmmmmm....did he ever disprove god? btw did u really go and make two of these topics?
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hitler was raised a catholic and he was one of the most vile people ever
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yep, and im sure alot of bad people were raised right, or maybe not good enough. im sure every rapist and murderer in the world has a mother.
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OP seems like you are confusing God with Jesus.
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i guess i just dont understand why people want to argue the existance of god, you have free will, believe what you will and let others be :)
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Because the god of this world is not the god you think. Jehovah, Yahweh, is Satan. The god of this world is Satan that's why things are so messed up simple as that. The real name of the divine creator is Yahuwah look it up yourself.
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didn't get your answers yesterday on your other thread?hf

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OP -

God gave us his plan and story in the sky.

It is from there that the Bible is extracted and compiled.

It's always been there, and always been taught, though some of the names have changed.

The actual unfolding of the events told in the sky took place 2000 or so years ago.
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This is because "god" is not a "person" or "entity", these are human brain concepts that don't actually compute. Nor do "past" or "future" compute, there's only this moment here.
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Re: if god exists then why...
*+if god exits then why did he wait until 98% of the human race had lived and died before he decided to speak his message a few thousand years ago i thought he wanted to save us what about all though poor people that existed beforehe got around to telling us his commandments how were they supposed to avoid sin if they didnt know they were doing wrong .imagine you had a boss at work who never told you what to do for weeks and then condemened you for all the mistakes y
ou made just woulnt be right would it?any one care to explain this anomalie
 Quoting: Logic 34217699


I hope you are a child in age...you are in mind. You never read that which you are now condemning? Why? If you had read what you mock, you would understand.

First I'll tell you what happened then I'll post the explanation from the Bible. Some people do not read the quotes that is why both.

me;

I wonder if reincarnation is true or not? You see God turned his eye's away from what happened (sin) until we were given the Law or Ten Commandments. How could we be held accountable for what we did not know? But at that time God also said...not one of you will be able to keep these 10 Laws. The result is permanent death. The only way to restore what we lost Eternal Life is through Jesus Christ.


New Testament Roman's;

Sin came into the world through one man, and his sin brought death with it. As a result, death has spread to the whole human race because everyone has sinned. There was sin in the world before the Law was given; but where there is no law, no account is kept of sins. But from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, death ruled over all human beings, even over those who did not sin in the same way that Adam did when he disobeyed God's command. Adam was a figure of the one who was to come. But the two are not the same, because God's free gift is not like Adam's sin. It is true that many people died because of the sin of that one man. But God's grace is much greater, and so is his free gift to so many people through the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ.
(Rom 5:12-15)

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