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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 22561248 United States 02/13/2013 03:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to provide as many Scriptures to support what I said: New Moon and Sabbaths are a day of worship and not a work day Ezekiel 46:1-3 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) 46 “This is what the Lord God says: The gate of the inner court that faces east must be closed during the six days of work, but it will be opened on the Sabbath day and opened on the day of the New Moon. 2 The prince should enter from the outside by way of the gate’s portico and stand at the doorpost of the gate while the priests sacrifice his burnt offerings and fellowship offerings. He will bow in worship at the threshold of the gate and then depart, but the gate must not be closed until evening. 3 The people of the land will also bow in worship before the Lord at the entrance of that gate on the Sabbaths and New Moons. No Buying or Selling on New Moon or Sabbath Amos 8:4-5 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) 4 Hear this, you who trample on the needy and do away with the poor of the land, 5 asking, “When will the New Moon be over so we may sell grain, and the Sabbath, so we may market wheat? We can reduce the measure while increasing the price and cheat with dishonest scales. Sabbath is after six work days and no work do be done on Sabbath Exodus 20:8-11 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) 8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy: 9 You are to labor six days and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. You must not do any work—you, your son or daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the foreigner who is within your gates. 11 For the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and everything in them in six days; then He rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and declared it holy. Holy Convocation/Sacred Assembly on Sabbath Leviticus 23:3 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) 3 “Work may be done for six days, but on the seventh day there must be a Sabbath of complete rest, a sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; it is a Sabbath to the Lord wherever you live. Blow the horn on New Moon Psalm 81:3 Blow the horn on the day of our feasts during the new moon and during the full moon. Blowing of Trumpets on New Moon, Sabbaths and Feast Days Numbers 10:10 King James Version (KJV) 10 Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, ye shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God: I am the Lord your God. Some may ask if New Moon required a sacred assembly or holy convocation. The Ez 46 passage indicates New Moon was a day of gathering at the temple for worship. Also, the passage on the Shunamite woman who took her dead child to Elisha shows that it was her custom to see the prophet on New Moon and Sabbaths which indicates these were days of sacred assembly and worship. There are some who say New Moon starts when you sight the first sliver of the new moon. The problem with this is that you will always be sighting the first sliver at least about 10 hours after conjunction. Also, if the day is cloudy, hazy, foggy or if the view has poor eyesight then the sliver of the new moon may not be seen till the next day or for several days. Now those who believe in sighted moon understand that the month has 29 or 30 days never more so if they don't see the sliver on the 29th they assume a 30 day month even if they don't see the sliver on the 30th. The problem is they may be a day off when it's cloudy and it's a 29 day month but the count it as a 30 day month. Feast of Unleavened Bread and Feast of Tabernacles occur on the 15th of the month on a full moon as so if the month is not correctly determined they may be celebrating on the 16th one day past full moon. Furthermore, Philo says new moon is from conjunction to conjunction. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 22561248 United States 02/13/2013 03:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Confusion over First Fruits Resolved with Lunar Sabbath Leviticus 23:4-11 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) 4 “These are the Lord’s appointed times, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times. 5 The Passover to the Lord comes in the first month, at twilight on the fourteenth day of the month. 6 The Festival of Unleavened Bread to the Lord is on the fifteenth day of the same month. For seven days you must eat unleavened bread. 7 On the first day you are to hold a sacred assembly; you are not to do any daily work. 8 You are to present a fire offering to the Lord for seven days. On the seventh day there will be a sacred assembly; you must not do any daily work.” 9 The Lord spoke to Moses: 10 “Speak to the Israelites and tell them: When you enter the land I am giving you and reap its harvest, you are to bring the first sheaf of your harvest to the priest. 11 He will wave the sheaf before the Lord so that you may be accepted; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. I used to wonder when First Fruits was. Lev 23:11 says it is the day after the Sabbath. But I wondered was it the day after the weekly Sabbath which I believed at the time was Friday evening to Saturday evening or was he referring to Aviv 15th, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which is also a Sabbath. Recently, I asked God why he hadn't made it clear which day was First Fruits. The next day God answered my prayer by having someone tell me about the Lunar Sabbath doctrine. I'm thankful for God's speedy answer. If we understand that Aviv 15th is a weekly sabbath and the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread then it is obviously clear that Aviv 16 is the day for First Fruits. Josephus confirms this also. So now we know First Fruits is on Aviv 16th, not necessarily on Sunday or Monday. Thank you Father! |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 22561248 United States 02/13/2013 03:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Restoration of Pentecost/Shavout Pentecost/Shavout is not 50 days after First Fruits. Leviticus 23:15-16 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) 15 “You are to count seven complete weeks starting from the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the presentation offering. 16 You are to count 50 days until the day after the seventh Sabbath and then present an offering of new grain to the Lord. Notice that it says we are to count seven Sabbaths starting from First Fruits (day after Sabbath when sheaf was waved). Then from that point we are to count an additional 50 days and present a new grain offering. It's important to understand that the festivals like Feast of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost and Feast of Tabernacles were harvest festivals. At First Fruits on Aviv 15th the people presented the first fruits of the harvest before partaking of the new grain. Now think again and see that a new grain offering is being done again for Pentecost. Is this the same grain as for First Fruits? No, it is a new harvest. But if Pentecost occurs only 50 days after First Fruits have we had time to plant and harvest again. No, 50 days isn't enough time. But if we have 7 Sabbaths or 49 days and then an additional 50 days for the crop to ripen that is enough time. So right now many do not observe Pentecost properly but we are promised Elijah will restore all things so this is one of the things he will restore. Matthew 17:11 “Elijah is coming and will restore everything,” He replied. Malachi 4:5 Look, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome Day of the Lord comes. Below is a quote from Josephus that First Fruits was on Aviv 16th, the morrow after Aviv 15th, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which is a Sabbath. Source: [link to www.judaismvschristianity.com] " It is Abib 16 that Josephus writes about, his words hammering the counterfeit calendar and its proponents. Please understand that Josephus is writing to a non-Israelite audience. In The Antiquities of the Jews, Chapter 10, section 5, he has this to say about the Passover season: (248) “In the month of Xanthicus, which is by us called Nisan, and is the beginning of the year, on the fourteenth day of the lunar month, when the sun is in Aries (for in this month it was that we were delivered from bondage under the Egyptians, and law ordained that we should every year slay that sacrifice which I before told you we slew when we came out of Egypt, and which was called the Passover; and so we do celebrate this Passover in companies, leaving nothing of what we sacrifice till the day following. (249) The feast of unleavened bread succeeds that of the Passover, and falls on the fifteenth day of the month and continued seven days, wherein they feed on unleavened bread… (250) But on the second day of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day, they do not touch them. …. (251) They take a handful of ears, and dry them, then beat them small and purge the barley from the bran; they then bring one tenth deal to the altar, to Elohim; and, casting one handful of it upon the fire they leaven the rest for use of the priest; and after this it is that they may publicly or privately reap their harvest.” " |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 22561248 United States 02/13/2013 04:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I recommend downloading and reading the free ebook at [link to lunarsabbath.org] It gives so many examples of how the Sabbaths in the Bible and many in recorded history are on the 8th, 15th, 22nd or 29th of the lunar month. If the Lunar Sabbath doctrine is true we would expect this to be the case. But these are points of consistency not a proof. If however you could find a seventh day Sabbath that wasn't on one of these days in Scripture and show that they were keeping the Sabbath correctly, then this would disprove the doctrine but no one has been able to disprove it this way so far. The Sabbaths in the month of Aviv and Tishri are interesting because of the festivals. In Aviv we have the first and seventh day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread being Sabbaths. The first day of Unleavened Bread is Aviv 15th which is a Sabbath according to Lunar Sabbath Doctrine but the seventh day of Unleavened Bread which is also a dictated Sabbath is the 21st of Aviv, not the expected 22nd. We God did it this way I do not know. I wish I did. But we are fine if we keep to the Scriptural rule of six consecutive work days and then a Sabbath. So the next Sabbath would be the 28th and not the typical 29th. If you want to be extra careful you can always keep the 21st, 22nd, 28th and 29th of Aviv as Sabbaths but for me I'll just keep to the Scriptural rule of six consecutive work days and the a Sabbath. Tishri is interesting because we have Day of Atonement on Tishri 10. The first and eight days of Feast of Tabernacles are Sabbaths. The first day of Tabernacles is Tishri 15th which is a typical Sabbath and the eight day is Tishri 22nd which is a typical Sabbath so the next Sabbath is Tishri 29th. Nothing unusual there. But someone may ask isn't Day of Atonement a Sabbath and therefore the next Sabbath on Tishri 17th. That would be the case normally, but God specifically commands Tishri 15th as a Sabbath so we have to restart the work day count. Now why did God put a Sabbath on Tishri 10th which is unusual? One interesting clue is that God says "It shall be a UNTO YOU a sabbath of rest." rather than a sabbath unto God. Leviticus 23:26-32 King James Version (KJV) 26 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, 27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord. 28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the Lord your God. 29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people. 30 And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people. 31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings. 32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath. I'm thankful for those who came before me who discovered these insights and shared them with me and the world. And likewise I want to share them with others so the may decide for themselves the truth of the matter. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 22561248 United States 02/13/2013 11:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Further evidence that Pentecost/Shavuot is not 50 days after First Fruits but rather 50 days after 7 sabbaths from First Fruits is found in Exodus. The Israelites arrive at Mt. Sinai in the third month of the same day they left Egypt. They left Egypt on Aviv 15th and so they arrive at Mt. Sinai on the 15th of the 3rd month. So two months or approximately 60 days have passed since the second day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which is First Fruits. Now Jews traditionally believe that Moses came down from Mt. Sinai with the Law on Pentecost. But we see at least 58 days had passed from First Fruits before the Israelites encamped at Mt. Sinai. So if Moses did come down with the Law on Pentecost then Pentecost cannot occur 50 days after First Fruits. If we add the 40 days Moses fasted on Mt. Sinai before coming down with the Law we get 58+40 or 98 days which very close to the seven sabbaths plus 50 days which is 49+50=99 days. This further confirms that Pentecost is 50 days after 7 sabbaths after First Fruits. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 22561248 United States 02/13/2013 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Exodus 19:1-6 King James Version (KJV) 19 In the third month, when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness of Sinai. 2 For they were departed from Rephidim, and were come to the desert of Sinai, and had pitched in the wilderness; and there Israel camped before the mount. 3 And Moses went up unto God, and the Lord called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel; 4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself. 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. Exodus 24:12-18 King James Version (KJV) 12 And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them. 13 And Moses rose up, and his minister Joshua: and Moses went up into the mount of God. 14 And he said unto the elders, Tarry ye here for us, until we come again unto you: and, behold, Aaron and Hur are with you: if any man have any matters to do, let him come unto them. 15 And Moses went up into the mount, and a cloud covered the mount. 16 And the glory of the Lord abode upon mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the seventh day he called unto Moses out of the midst of the cloud. 17 And the sight of the glory of the Lord was like devouring fire on the top of the mount in the eyes of the children of Israel. 18 And Moses went into the midst of the cloud, and gat him up into the mount: and Moses was in the mount forty days and forty nights. |
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Another proof User ID: 30855370 United States 02/14/2013 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In today's calendar, a New Moon can occur on a Saturday. But that was impossible in the Torah, because the New Moon and the Sabbath were always two different days, with different ceremonial requirements. How was it that the moon could not be "new" on the Sabbath? Because the Sabbath was counted from the New Moon, occurring 7 days after it, on the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th. So without having a preconceived opinion that there is a "floating Saturday Sabbath", one would discover from reading the Torah alone that there is never any allowance or expectation that there would be a Sabbath on which would "clash" against the other Feasts days. There are no "rules of postponement" in the Scriptures, and the fact that such things even exist is proof that the calendar being used does not agree with the Torah. [link to world-calendar.info] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55303550 United States 07/31/2021 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your proof 1) no proof here and nothing that compels anyone to keep lunar sabbath. The ezekial passage merely says "during the 6 days of work" the gate is closed. During the new moon and sabbath it's open. It's about the gates state of open or close. Nothing about how to keep sabbath cause that's laid out elsewhere Your proof 2) so you think becasue they were to select/choose a lamb on abib 10 that you assume oh that means people might have had to buy a lamb on abib 10. You gotta be kidding us. The command is not to buy a lamb on abib 10. It is to choose So if you are a shepherd you will likely be eyeballing the target lamb in your flock long before abib 10. But on abib 10 you are to make your final decision If you are a city dweller with no flocks then you can easily buy the lamb the day before abib 10 (if it is a weekly sabbath) buying the lamb is not choosing the lamb per se. Buying is work. Choosing is not work...anymore than you deciding which apple to eat I'm the fruit bowl on sabbath is work. Your proof 3) look abib 14 is passover and not a sabbath. Abib 15 is unleavened bread and is not a weekly sabbath but a high sabbath. Also the last day of unleavened bread is also a high sabbath. Your appeal to secular historians and what your jesus mangod idol didnt say...doesnt matter. Not for trying to dismantle and revision weekly sabbath keeping doctrine. You are going to need a hell of a lot more to convince anyone devout to YHWH to redefine sabbath keeping. I leave you now with your proofs left unto you entirely desolate |