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Gun Rights: Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left? Or is revolution the only answer?

 
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Throughout history, citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes: Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war. Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result. My response would be – just give them time. You may believe that gun control efforts are part and parcel of a totalitarian agenda (as they usually are), or, you may believe that gun registration and confiscation are a natural extension of the government’s concern for our “safety and well-being”. Either way, the temptation of power that comes after a populous is made defenseless is almost always too great for any political entity to dismiss. One way or another, for one reason or another, they WILL take advantage of the fact that the people have no leverage to determine their own cultural future beyond a twisted system of law and governance which is, in the end, easily corrupted.

The unawake and the unaware among us will also argue that revolution or extreme dissent against the establishment is not practical or necessary, because the government “is made of regular people like us, who can be elected or removed at any time”.

This is the way a Republic is supposed to function, yes. However, the system we have today has strayed far from the methods of a Free Republic and towards the machinations of a single party system. Our government does NOT represent the common American anymore. It has become a centralized and Sovietized monstrosity. A seething hydra with two poisonous heads; one Democrat in name, one Republican in name. Both heads feed the same bottomless stomach; the predatory and cannibalistic pit of socialized oligarchy.

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Last Edited by Ralph--a house dog on 02/15/2013 01:20 PM
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On the Republican side, we are offered Neo-Con sharks like George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, who argue for “conservative” policies such as limited government interference and reduced spending, all while introducing legislation which does the exact opposite. The recent passage of the “Safe Act” in New York with extensive Republican support proves that Republicans cannot be counted on to defend true conservative values.

The Democrats get candidates like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, who claim to be anti-war and against government abuse of civil liberties, and yet, these same “progressive and compassionate” politicians now froth at the mouth like rabid dogs sinking their teeth into the flesh of the citizenry, expanding on every tyrannical initiative the Republicans began, and are bombing more civilian targets in more foreign countries than anyone with a conscience should be able to bear.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the government is not our buddy. It is not our ally or friend. It is not a “part of us”. It is now a separate and dangerous entity. A parasite feeding off the masses. It has become a clear threat to the freedoms of average Americans. It is time for the public to grow up, snap out of its childish delusions, and accept that there is no solace or justice to be found anymore in Washington D.C.

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Last Edited by Ralph--a house dog on 02/15/2013 01:06 PM
"Do Not Go Gentle into that Good Night.....Rage, rage against the dying of the light"-----Dylan Thomas

HIS NAME IS SETH RICH

[link to biblicalselfdefense.com]

[link to forum.1111ers.blog]


Always remember that "for the greater good" will not include YOU.

"Who decides?"
---Robert A. Heinlein


-'Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.'—Benjamin Franklin

[link to www.westcoasttruth.com]

The only thing worth paying full retail for is pantyhose.

You cannot do all of the good the world needs, but the world needs all of the good you can do.
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It is so simple when a single thug is coming at you or an invader is in your house. Pull the trigger in self defense first, before they succeed in killing you. It is no simple matter when you are facing the overwhelming force of a well funded, well equipped, and heavily armed government force. We must exercise enough high moral character to peacefully wait until there is no other option and enough determination and resolve not to waver when the time comes. That is not an easy balancing act when tyranny presses in slowly with every tighter regulation and law until they nearly get their boot heals on your neck. At any time before that boot heal is on your neck if you strike first, you would not be the defender but the attacker.

I believe the best course of action should be to mirror the founding fathers’ actions of the late 1700's. They put up with a hell of a lot before they declared their independence. It wasn’t just the unjust taxes. The British government had military troops patrolling villages, and invading people’s homes for supplies and shelter. The king nullified their local elections and laws. The founding fathers wrote letter after letter pleading with the king to observe British law. When they couldn’t take it anymore and did declare their independence, that was it. They only declared their independence. They did so peacefully and did not go on the offensive until British ships and troops attacked first. In this they were completely righteous and had the laws of nature and God’s providence on their side. If this happens now with the modern and massive police and military capability our government has the people will need a miracle. A new civil rebellion would make the civil war look like a Sunday picnic on a pretty spring day. Pray for a miracle folks. We don’t want what is coming.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM

Peace is dead along with our liberties, freedoms, rights. The political posturing of the left is consuming the above protections we once valued so highly.

It will not end until we all are on the gov. doll or we stand up and put a end to the ideologies that enable these facist, commi, socialist, anti American freaks to impose the most liberal, progressive draconion laws.

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Obama will draw first blood! Get ready by food and ammo
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Obama will draw first blood! Get ready by food and ammo
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Well, the 2nd amendment was put into the Constitution FOR a REASON. And it was NOT for hunting...

They knew plenty about oppressive tyrannical governments in human history. They KNEW, ANY nation can breed oppressive governments and tyrants - America included. So they also KNEW that the populace must remain armed, in order to free itself should that eventuality arise.
This may be that eventuality...
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the tree of Liberty will be refreshed
very shortly

stay tuned ;)
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Throughout history, citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes: Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war. Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result. My response would be – just give them time. You may believe that gun control efforts are part and parcel of a totalitarian agenda (as they usually are), or, you may believe that gun registration and confiscation are a natural extension of the government’s concern for our “safety and well-being”. Either way, the temptation of power that comes after a populous is made defenseless is almost always too great for any political entity to dismiss. One way or another, for one reason or another, they WILL take advantage of the fact that the people have no leverage to determine their own cultural future beyond a twisted system of law and governance which is, in the end, easily corrupted.

The unawake and the unaware among us will also argue that revolution or extreme dissent against the establishment is not practical or necessary, because the government “is made of regular people like us, who can be elected or removed at any time”.

This is the way a Republic is supposed to function, yes. However, the system we have today has strayed far from the methods of a Free Republic and towards the machinations of a single party system. Our government does NOT represent the common American anymore. It has become a centralized and Sovietized monstrosity. A seething hydra with two poisonous heads; one Democrat in name, one Republican in name. Both heads feed the same bottomless stomach; the predatory and cannibalistic pit of socialized oligarchy.

much more at link!

[link to www.alt-market.com]
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


i am tired of people who refuse to see where this is going, if they take away guns what is next on the list? if they can ignore the second ammendment how about the foruth or the 20th?
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Re: Gun Rights: Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left? Or is revolution the only answer?
Part of the solution is this:

State And County Nullification

Get active and push for this in your state or county!

If yours won't pass a strong 10th Amendment bill, then put some effort into writing letters and making phone calls to help areas where there is a possibility of nullification enactment.
"Do Not Go Gentle into that Good Night.....Rage, rage against the dying of the light"-----Dylan Thomas

HIS NAME IS SETH RICH

[link to biblicalselfdefense.com]

[link to forum.1111ers.blog]


Always remember that "for the greater good" will not include YOU.

"Who decides?"
---Robert A. Heinlein


-'Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.'—Benjamin Franklin

[link to www.westcoasttruth.com]

The only thing worth paying full retail for is pantyhose.

You cannot do all of the good the world needs, but the world needs all of the good you can do.
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Re: Gun Rights: Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left? Or is revolution the only answer?
It is so simple when a single thug is coming at you or an invader is in your house. Pull the trigger in self defense first, before they succeed in killing you. It is no simple matter when you are facing the overwhelming force of a well funded, well equipped, and heavily armed government force. We must exercise enough high moral character to peacefully wait until there is no other option and enough determination and resolve not to waver when the time comes. That is not an easy balancing act when tyranny presses in slowly with every tighter regulation and law until they nearly get their boot heals on your neck. At any time before that boot heal is on your neck if you strike first, you would not be the defender but the attacker.

I believe the best course of action should be to mirror the founding fathers’ actions of the late 1700's. They put up with a hell of a lot before they declared their independence. It wasn’t just the unjust taxes. The British government had military troops patrolling villages, and invading people’s homes for supplies and shelter. The king nullified their local elections and laws. The founding fathers wrote letter after letter pleading with the king to observe British law. When they couldn’t take it anymore and did declare their independence, that was it. They only declared their independence. They did so peacefully and did not go on the offensive until British ships and troops attacked first. In this they were completely righteous and had the laws of nature and God’s providence on their side. If this happens now with the modern and massive police and military capability our government has the people will need a miracle. A new civil rebellion would make the civil war look like a Sunday picnic on a pretty spring day. Pray for a miracle folks. We don’t want what is coming.
 Quoting: Resister



I sure don't! I'm willing to do whatever I can to preserve our liberty without armed conflict and I believe in miracles.

There are movements that, if strongly supported, have good possibilities of staving off the necessity of real DOOM.

Nullification by states & counties of federal govt unconstitutional actions, and state & local economic independence are two very good issues that could make the difference in throwing off the yoke of federal oppression or at least castrating it for the time being.
"Do Not Go Gentle into that Good Night.....Rage, rage against the dying of the light"-----Dylan Thomas

HIS NAME IS SETH RICH

[link to biblicalselfdefense.com]

[link to forum.1111ers.blog]


Always remember that "for the greater good" will not include YOU.

"Who decides?"
---Robert A. Heinlein


-'Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.'—Benjamin Franklin

[link to www.westcoasttruth.com]

The only thing worth paying full retail for is pantyhose.

You cannot do all of the good the world needs, but the world needs all of the good you can do.





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