I asked My Pastor ...

I propose that Jesus was a Master Alchemist.

To change water into wine is surely an Alchemical Transmutation.


In fact the Church call it a Transubstantiation.


That means to change one substance into another.


Alchemy !!!



This means that the Philosopher Stone and the Elixir of Life is the True Eucharist.

Jesus is the Gift of God... He is the new wine.... He is the Groom and his people are the bride.

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

A lot of drinking went on in the Bible. And a lot of the consequences of it are also mentioned. The wine at Cana was alcoholic. Those at the feast said that the master of the feast had ssaved the best for last. The custo of the day was to serve the good wine first and the new wine (which is acrid) after everyone had a good buzz. The wine that Jesus made was not new wine and therefore those at the feast were quite impressed with it.

The key to everything is moderation. The problem is that many people just cannot stop. Every drunk started with just one drink. If yu have a familiy history of alcoholism, then it is dumb for you to start drinking. You really have no excuse. The religious stance against alcohol started with the Demon Rum movement. Alcoholism was very bad in America (and elsewhere). People (women) got tired of it and stood up.

Bottom line is that alcohol has wonderful medicinal qualities but it is a double edged sword.

Many Pastors are playing it safe...and I can really their point.

The new wine is not fermented.

He was and is God.

verse 29 he was foretelling his apostles of his own death, yet they did not understand it..

He was and is God.

"He sent his son, to teach us we can rebuke sin, but if we screwed up that we could be forgiven through our faith in God or His son... Jesus Christ...."

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So ...

By Your definition ...

And By Scripture ...


Jesus DID NOT "Rebuke" turning water into Wine ... He did NOT rebuke His Mother's request ...

So ... No One "Screwed Up"?

No one has to be "Forgiven"? ...

... (In THIS instance)?

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It's "US" that JUDGE?

bingo,

Meaning without sin, Just as when we take Passover on the sabbath we are drinking the new wine... Or Christs blood meaning without sin.

Op you are missing the point.... it is what Jesus said that matters... It is a parable to his apostles and to us that we can be forgiven for out sins through the blood of Jesus or the New wine...


Meaning we are all fuck ups, but through faith in God's word and God's infinite grace are we forgiven.... IF WE BELIEVE IN HIM AND HIS COVENANT

The wine that Jesus made was not new wine. Anyone who reads the story and understands the culture knows this.

When God wrote the Law he knew the we the gentiles could not keep the law. So he sent his son to save the sinners, or those without the law... because he knew we could not keep it....

Its like winning the lotto without ever playing it....

wrong, christ's blood was without sin... do not assume anything study it without margin....

Negatory. Spirits are called spirits, from the days of Alchemy. Because, alchemists believed they were extracting the "essence" or the "spirit" out of the plant.

You do not even know when the actual Sabbath is.

And sorry, but there is no more Passover. It was for the Hebrews anyway and you are probably not one of those.

Christ did not put his blood into the casks at the Cana wedding you clown. He put some very fine wine in them.

Thank You ...

Welch's Grape Juice Company!


Ye Who have Prevented US from touching Our lips to a teaspoonful of wine!

(And totally missed the point of the difference between "Grape Juice" and wine!).


Wine ... Being the TRANSFORMATION from an EARTHLY PLANT/FRUIT ... Into an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ... CHEMICALLY ALTERED ... "CHANGED" ... Substance...


As "In Christ ... WE are a NEW CREATION" ...


Forget the "DRUNK" part ...

FOCUS on the "CHANGED" ...

PART!

Wrong, The last supper is and was the passover.... Only through faith and the Lamb's blood over your door post can you celebrate the passover... The lamb's blood over your door post is the baptism Jesus Christ for by which you are pardoned for your sins.... without it you are dead...

Baptists and others tell that taking a drink of alcohol is sin, yet they put huge masonic/babylonian steeples on their church buildings.

The Eucharist which was given at the Last Supper was made from the Wine.


Jesus put the fruit of the tree of life into the grail.

He made the Wine into an Elixir.



You have to look at the grail quest as an alchemical riddle.



Its said that the stone comes in two forms.

The White and the Red.


We eat the Bread and Drink the Wine.


But its not Bread or Flesh or Wine or Blood.

Its the Stone !!!



Jesus came back to give us of the Fruit of the Tree of Life.

Ephesians 5:18 KJV
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;


1 Peter 4:1-7 KJV
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

[2] That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

[3] For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

[4] Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you :

[5] Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

[6] For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

[7] But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.


1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


1 Corinthians 5:11 KJV
But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.


Luke 21:34-36 KJV
And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

[35] For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.


1 Peter 4:7 KJV
But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.


Titus 1:7-9 KJV
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

[8] But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;

[9] Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.


And I think that it's safe to say that your pastor is a false teachers, like the majority.

All denominations are false. They were made to split the Gospel and the people.

And the calendar that they went by is lost to you and you are on a different calendar altogether.

Colossians 2:
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 ¶ Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

So keep you legalism.

Actually the Stone is Fermented with Gold.

ALL roads lead to Rome. That is why they emphasize their seperation from her: to hide the very real connection.

Thus saith the Lord, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.

Jesus's blood is the new wine meaning without sin!!

Can you reword that? Who is "they"?

Many people are confused by the difference between temperance and abstinence. And is everyone called to be a bishop?

And he who have never looked upon a woman to lust...is gay. Catch 22, eh?