If you believe chemtrails are real . . . what source of information has reinforced your belief most?

I say what I believe after studying the issues since 2009 . . . I don't agree with many chemtrail conspiracy advocates nor their debunkers either . . . so if you think I am promoting disinformation it may help if you would specify exactly where you disagree with what I am saying . . .

That is a big part of the debate . . . exactly what are people's definition of chemtrails . . . there is little agreement . . .

I voted other when i first began seeing chemtrails in the grand junction colorado area in the spring of 1999 I was intrigued and couldnt find out much about them then in the summer of 2001 i had a break in las cruces new mexico when i ran into a geologist living in the area who worked at sandia labs he was getting ready for retirement and we would sit up late at night at the dennys while my sister was on working and he explained what he did i think he was lonely single in his 60s having dedicated his life to sandi. he opened my eyes to alot of things none the least chemtrails while that was not his main area of research he had been called to consult on it more then once. a few years later in 2005 I ran into him again when we again brought our rv to the las cruces area he had retired and was spending most of his time in retirement hiking and camping in the organ mountains as well as the gila and near Socorro he had become obsessed with earth changes and haarp and how the chemtrails when used for what he refered to as pinging he also noted they do have biological effects such as supressed immune function chronic cough and heavy metal toxicity which supresses human emotion same effect as lithium in bipolar individuals that summer they where spraying las cruces almost everyday and at night you could see the polymers floating down from the sky against the street lights he showed me them under a microscope it honestly looked like drops of tiny droplets of silicone or crazy glue under the microscope. when we where up albuquerque way I made friends with the son of a fairly famous individual at sandia labs named ray o'murphey he taught me how to cut and prepare gemstones the chemical makeup of gemstones etc which i continute to this day as my primary means of income.. his dad was merril o'murphey who cut quartz crystals for sandia for use in thousands of experiments he brought me up to speed on what the chemicals sprayed where and what effects they have in both the biologic realm and in the electromagnetic realm

I have reviewed these issues individually covered in this website before . . . some are interesting speculations . . . but that is as far as it goes . . . the biggest reason I think these are speculation only is because the tonnage of aerosols required to suspend enough of the substances in the atmosphere to accomplish any of the mentioned missions would be far beyond human capability . . . except in very limited and temporary of situations much like the way chaff is used historically . . .

Thanks for your participation . . . do you think he (geologist) was talking from true knowledge or just informed speculation?

he was speaking from true knowledge he isnt all there anymore he became obsessed with what he learned working at sandia and now lives out of a backpack only comeing into town for coffee at dennys in the early am hours and the rest of the time he is up at his camp taking measurements of faults etc all on his own dime he warned me in 2001 when u begin to see cracks in the earth and massive sink holes that things where comming to a head he is a firm believer in massive geologic earth changes which is why he spends his time taking measurements in and around the rio grande rift from alamosa colorado through las cruces,, he lives off his pension and puts all his money into measuring equipment

if you want to meet him just hang out at the dennys in las cruces truth or consequences albq.. might take a few weeks of being there at night but he will show up... he is in his early 70s now

So what does he think is coming to a head . . . ? I might say that in the late 1960s I had a Professor that believed we only had five years left because of the amount of pollution and population growth in the world. . . .he said he was going to work only few more years then buy a cabin on top of a mountain and wait for the end of the world. . . . That was over forty years ago. . . .seems the educated and brilliant are not always the best to believe . . .

What do you think you are looking at when you exhale on a cold morning and can see your breath?

That is EXACTLY what a jet engine does in the upper altitudes when it makes a con.

What do you think you are looking at in car exhaust when a car engine is cold and running on a cold morning.

That is EXACTLY what a jet engine does in the upper altitdes when it makes a con.

There are examples all around us of this phenomenon, yet you chemtards can't seem to connect some very simple dots.

The colder the temperature, the less moisture the air can hold - period. If the air is already saturated, it can hold no more moisture. If the air is COLD and already saturated and you try to add MORE MOISTURE to it (like with your breath or with the moisture resulting from burning fuel), then it becomes visible because it cannot go into solution in the air.

This is simple stuff.

The difficulty is the frequency and the simple number of persistent trails and especially cirrus cloud banks and haze has seemed to have skyrocketed . . . so people are seeking an explanation . . .

You said you know what chemtrails are. If you described them and I didn't connect crystals and cracks to being chemtrails then ok. Otherwise how do you define and describe chemtrails?

When I exhale into very cold air it does not loop down and spread to become a cloud.

There is no difficulty for anyone with a triple digit IQ.

There is only difficulty with shameless dumbassery.

If you want to question something intelligent, question gravity. Now there is something nobody truly understands.

Trying to turn something as easily explained as contrails into a conspiracy is unmitigated dip-shittage.

If the wind was blowing over 100 mph it very well might.

Jesus Christ.... do you idiots really not have a thought process that goes any deeper than this?

We're so fucked.

Easy... Unmitigated dipsittage and shameless dumbassery.

It's taylor-made for blithering idiots.

George B, I think you KNOW what you spew is bullshit and tha makes you a truly evil person.

You're selling snake oil and intentionally trying to scare people who may be truly stupid.

You're hoping your bullshit scares the fuck out of them and that makes you truly evil.

Fuck you. There ought to be a law against what you're doing.

That was a response to your simplistic thought process.

Noble...piss off.

Concrete, verifiable evidence would be good. Thus far, I haven't seen any. Just people making a bunch of claims without anything to substantiate them.

Oh, picking up George B's trash now are we?

You are either truly stupid, or you're truly evil and trying to prey on (insight fright) truly stupid people.

It's one or the other.

It never fails to amaze me that out of all the bullshit

posted on glp chemtrails is the most hotly contested by the

shillsquad....

The funny thing about this is ... your blather works both ways.

Maybe a deal could be worked out like you get 15 blue skies a month and we cloud the skies 15 days a month. That's fair. Even better would be the skies are cloudy only on rainy/snowy days or in the event of fog. That is how it used to be. That was nice. I liked it that way. Lot's of people have no say in this neverending clouding of the sky. Almost no one has a say in it. Life isn't fair, fuck you skywards, grey is the new blue.


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Hmmmm . . . Me thinks increasing persistence of trails in the sky is rather complex and not well understood and your comment is simplistic. . . .

And just what am I selling ? Why is it bullshit? Why is it scaring people?

Circuit Breaker. . . it is hard to argue your position. . . I have looked since 2009 for concrete evidence but found only circumstantial evidence of past behavior and suspicious observations. . .some research and scientific proposals to mitigate global warming, proposed experimentation, cost analysis or feasibility studies, there are suspicious occurrences and public policy that fuel concern . . .but no smoking gun that can prove anything of substance. . . .

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