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US Airborne vs. IDF vs. Merc

 
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US Airborne vs. IDF vs. Merc
So I was watching this TV show the other day, don't know what it was called, but it was some sort of game show pitting two 182nd Airborne soldiers against two IDF soldiers and two corporate mercenaries. The 182nd won, but what I found interesting was the demeanor of the different soldiers.

The airborne kept calling themselves the underdogs which I thought was odd, don't see how they had any less of a chance of winning than anyone else that was there. They did appear to be much younger compared to their foes though so perhaps that's what they meant.

Anyway although the airborne soldiers appeared much younger they seemed far more mature than their older counterparts, especially compared to the mercs. The IDF seemed fine for the most part, but watching the mercs was like watching a couple of drunk high school football jocks trying to hit on a girl.

One of the mercs was a former seal or something like that, the other was never in the military, but trained by former military. The two of them looked like they were trying to hard to be twins and roid rage might just be a common phrase in their vocabulary. If I were a VIP I might be a bit wary about the caliber of people employed by my private security firms, no doubt about that.
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02/20/2013 06:56 PM
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you need to find a name for that show. I would be interested in seeing it.
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you need to find a name for that show. I would be interested in seeing it.
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Found it, it's on the History channel: The Ultimate Soldier Challenge.
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ex-member of 2/504 PIR and all i have to say to that is All the FUCKIN Way. I mean,did you expect any less? LoL I understand you probably weren't a vet OP, or at least not a US army one. But it's just the 82nd Airborne, not the 182nd. There is a 173rd Airborne brigade in vincenza italy though, so i can see how it would be confusing. Anyhow, please post a name if you find it, would like to check it out.
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the IAF and UAF have annual dog fights simulations, the last time i checked the score was 60-1 in favor of the IAF
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02/20/2013 07:09 PM
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you need to find a name for that show. I would be interested in seeing it.
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Found it, it's on the History channel: The Ultimate Soldier Challenge.
[link to www.history.com]
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nvm just saw this. Thanks!
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the IAF and UAF have annual dog fights simulations, the last time i checked the score was 60-1 in favor of the IAF
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It was just a game show and I'm sure it's not indicative of how the IDF compares to the US army. Really what I found interesting was the soldiers themselves. I'd say both the US soldiers and the IDF soldiers seemed fairly level headed while the mercs were stereotypical jocks.
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Probably also good to note that this was a game show so there's no telling to what degree the producers influenced the contestants attitude. My girlfriend knew someone that was on one of those competition shows and she said that the staff tried to make them act a certain way.

Maybe the producers just wanted them to act stereotypical.
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found a vid is this the show?
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02/20/2013 07:39 PM
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Thank god the US Army doesn't actually have to fight the IDF. Our media, congress, and half of the fucktards here would be tripping over themselves to provide support to the IDF.
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found a vid is this the show?
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That's it
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02/20/2013 07:43 PM
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In real life, not a game show, IDF will ass fuck any other military man from any country.
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In real life, not a game show, IDF will ass fuck any other military man from any country.
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I'm calling BS. The IDF is not a volunteer force, most of the people in it don't even want to be there.
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In real life, not a game show, IDF will ass fuck any other military man from any country.
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You know the world war we live is not unlike sporting events. Everyone thinks their favorite team is the best, but when push comes to shove it's anyones guess. The yankees could beat the mets on tuesday and lose on friday, in truth they're both good baseball teams.
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In real life, not a game show, IDF will ass fuck any other military man from any country.
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You know the world war we live is not unlike sporting events. Everyone thinks their favorite team is the best, but when push comes to shove it's anyones guess. The yankees could beat the mets on tuesday and lose on friday, in truth they're both good baseball teams.
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What's sad is that for somebody who is ostensibly an American their favorite team is a foreign country.
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In real life, not a game show, IDF will ass fuck any other military man from any country.
 Quoting: Evil Cretin Heretic


You know the world war we live is not unlike sporting events. Everyone thinks their favorite team is the best, but when push comes to shove it's anyones guess. The yankees could beat the mets on tuesday and lose on friday, in truth they're both good baseball teams.
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What's sad is that for somebody who is ostensibly an American their favorite team is a foreign country.
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Again, not unlike a sporting event. There's a lot of people that live in Ohio, but are Michigan fans. As for me, I am a fan of no team.
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Again, not unlike a sporting event. There's a lot of people that live in Ohio, but are Michigan fans. As for me, I am a fan of no team.
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I suppose that could give me an advantage in predicting an outcome since I wouldn't have any bias towards one team or the other.
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I was actually able to predict the outcome of the final challenge in this show based upon the training and goals of the airborne and mercs.

While the airborne is probably trained, in situations such as this challenge, to protect the innocent against the bad guys the mercs goal is to protect their client against the bad guys. I figured the mercs would be more likely to hit a few innocents because their goal doesn't really factor in the innocent, but only the bad guys and their client.

I was surprised that the mercs only hit one innocent, but nonetheless that is why they lost. It's a question of mindset I suppose. I'm sure the mercs would prefer not to hit the innocents, but ultimately all they need to do in order to accomplish their mission is protect their client, while the airborne needs to protect all innocents in order to accomplish their mission.
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I wasn't paying attention during the first challenge. During the second challenge I figured the mercs would win because of their weapon choice. I also figured the handgun would've been the second best choice, but the IDF chose the rifle and ended up butchering a couple of green targets with it. While the host said this particular handgun was less accurate, I figured firing a single shot with each trigger pull would've been more accurate compared to the rifle being more accurate with the first bullet, but less so with each additional shot.

The third challenge I had no prediction. The IDF is supposedly trained well in hand to hand combat, but a knife fight is anybodies game.
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Sad part is in every joint war game the Canadians if playing always well almost everytime win.

What is it 80% win ratio in all aspects from SF war games to air combat.

Kinda sad we dont get the kudo's we should for being the best in the world 1 one 1
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Sad part is in every joint war game the Canadians if playing always well almost everytime win.

What is it 80% win ratio in all aspects from SF war games to air combat.

Kinda sad we dont get the kudo's we should for being the best in the world 1 one 1
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I'd take it as a blessing that your armed forces are not deep enough in tons of wars to be notorious.
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The problem with the setup is the "Merc" team.

By definition, they don't hold any standard of training, There are plenty of former 82nd who are contractors today, as well as pretty much any other training background you can think of.

As much as this is about the two that are picked, any other combination of 82nd or IDF could have performed very differently, what is certain is that the Contractors aren't representative of anything but themselves.
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02/20/2013 09:35 PM
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Airborne is not that much different then reg Army only diffrence is they can jump out of planes and run faster.
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02/21/2013 03:11 AM
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The problem with the setup is the "Merc" team.

By definition, they don't hold any standard of training, There are plenty of former 82nd who are contractors today, as well as pretty much any other training background you can think of.

As much as this is about the two that are picked, any other combination of 82nd or IDF could have performed very differently, what is certain is that the Contractors aren't representative of anything but themselves.
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Really wouldn't even have to be a different combination either. Any other day of the week with the same people and the outcome could've been different. We all have our good days and bad days.
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At any rate I suppose the point here is that the younger soldiers were actually more mature than the older soldiers. This suggests that the longer these soldiers are exposed to the environment they're in, the army type, the more they devolve to a more primitive ape like state.
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Eh, ya fucked up. The Marine rifle company smokes the high speed, low drag jumpers and IDF fools any day. My personal experience? Trained with IDF and airborne rangers. Both are badass, but i'll take my team every time (USMC). Our track record smokes both the IDF and army airborne combined.

EDIT: No offense, but besides the Airborne poster, ya'lls posts comparing some simulation is like saying an NCAA xbox game is like the real thing, come on, GLP has better judgement than this. BTW Airborne fella, I would love to learn how to jump out of airplanes in the night, no doubt that takes some balls and no-nonsense training. I prefer the old adage, an infantry Marine is equivalent to a leg Ranger, if that even exists;) Either way, you guys give the IDF waaaaaaaaaaay too much credit. Let some hostile country set up on our border, we would make IDF soldiers look like some fobbit (look it up) pussies.

Last Edited by luke0311 on 02/21/2013 03:58 AM
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BTW, MERCS??? Are you guys fucking serious? All it takes is a fire team of Rangers or Marines to call for fire on some "mercenary" position to end their spree. Fucking combined arms guys, its not a one man show, EVER.





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