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EIN SOF AUR, EIN SOF... EIN

 
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we all know that in kabbalah the top sphere and the most devine of them all is KETTER - crown. it represents the most high realm.

but there is more, above ketter is EIN SOF AUR which means infinite light, endless light. if this realm of endless light is condenced into a single point we will get ketter and then the rest of the tree will follow.

above ein sof aur is the realm of ein sof, which means endless, infinite, no boundry, never ends. what is it about it that never ends and has no boundries... well we dont know... it is just what it is. endless and infinite.

above them is the highest realm of them all, the realm of EIN, which means, empty, not existent, lacks... or simply nothing....


so yeah... kabbalah supports the ultimate nothingness, and puts it as the highest realm of them all.
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No, I don't agree with that and I don't think many qabalist would, it's not that it is nothing, it's that we can't comprehend it.
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dude... its the truth.

ein soph aur is outside of our comprehension, EIN in hebrew means something that is not.

nothing
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No. Thing.

You ever read Lon Milo's book? [link to www.amazon.com]
"Knowing your own darkness is the best method for dealing with the darknesses of other people." --- Carl Jung
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No. Thing.

You ever read Lon Milo's book? [link to www.amazon.com]
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no i havent. what does it have to say about the concept of ein?

i havent found a single book that mentions the top three realms above KETTER, some touch EIN SOF AUR but never found any that dare discuss EIN SOF and EIN
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so... can EIN say "i am" ?

if it does, then it can emenate infinity within itself and from it create the infinite dream we know as the univerese
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No. Thing.

You ever read Lon Milo's book? [link to www.amazon.com]
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no i havent. what does it have to say about the concept of ein?

i havent found a single book that mentions the top three realms above KETTER, some touch EIN SOF AUR but never found any that dare discuss EIN SOF and EIN
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I was half joking, as it is a pretty light hearted book and will almost certainly give you a laugh, but it does mention it, and you might find it interesting. Speaking of books, although this might be a tangent as I'm not sure exactly what you are in to, but I thought Wang's Qabalistic Tarot was also very interesting. [link to www.amazon.com]
"Knowing your own darkness is the best method for dealing with the darknesses of other people." --- Carl Jung
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The Ein Sof method!

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The Ein Sof method!


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A hard method to employ no doubt, but absolutely the best method. All of the emanations can help us deal and improve how we feel and create. I worry so much, but then I think and realize that everything made things the way they are. It's out of my hands and into higher ones. I am all for the best outcome no matter how hard it is to see. On another note, I used to play that song so much on Guitar Hero.
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From what I’ve read:

Upper Eden = What seems to be the “Ring Pass Not”

Lower Eden = Yesod


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The three ‘abysses’:

Ain (Soph) (Aur)

What seems to be the “Ring Pass Not”.

Klipoth


Anyway, all these teachings predate “Qabalah”; as what we now call “Kabbalah” is just one form of the same teachings from since before ‘Chaldea’ and so on.

Buddhadharma & Yungdrung Bön get to the point more quickly, for anyone interested.

That Glorian page^ is mistaken (at least technically) about the Sanskrit Alaya being “tsang“ or nyingpo or snying po in Tibetan.

Nyingpo is Garbha.

Tsang is, I dunno; maybe rtsang...?

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You said that it is humorous or is it trying to be serious or light hearted which one because when I come to a subject that is impossible to fathom I have a physical reaction it makes me irritable and sleepy at the same time. Just wondering is your reaction because of your connotation.
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You know what that means
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You know what that means
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[link to en.ikanji.jp]

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You know what that means
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[link to en.ikanji.jp]
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I'll told you that you did.

Who's really the genius?
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"I can tell you the things that you know
Listening for a fistful of silence
Climbing valleys into the shade."
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You know what that means
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[link to en.ikanji.jp]
 Quoting: Asuralikeproduction


I'll told you that you did.

Who's really the genius?
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scratching
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Re: EIN SOF AUR, EIN SOF... EIN
we all know that in kabbalah the top sphere and the most devine of them all is KETTER - crown. it represents the most high realm.

but there is more, above ketter is EIN SOF AUR which means infinite light, endless light. if this realm of endless light is condenced into a single point we will get ketter and then the rest of the tree will follow.

above ein sof aur is the realm of ein sof, which means endless, infinite, no boundry, never ends. what is it about it that never ends and has no boundries... well we dont know... it is just what it is. endless and infinite.

above them is the highest realm of them all, the realm of EIN, which means, empty, not existent, lacks... or simply nothing....


so yeah... kabbalah supports the ultimate nothingness, and puts it as the highest realm of them all.
 Quoting: DPS


ain sof the ten levels/dimensions of thought! all connected to an External Unknowable, but so delineated that they are only connected to each other via the
Unknowable External/G-d! lol
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...That Glorian page^ is mistaken (at least technically) about the Sanskrit Alaya being “tsang“ or nyingpo or snying po in Tibetan.

Nyingpo is Garbha.

Tsang is, I dunno; maybe rtsang...?
 Quoting: Asuralikeproduction


I forgot to add that the direct Tibetan translation for the Sanskrit Alaya would be kun-gzhi.
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CHECK OUT: DAVID CHAIM SMITH.

"DEEP UNDERSTANDING KABBALISTIC ALCHEMY".

It is quite literally a work of art. Alchemical text in nature. Transformative. His life's work is mostly based on the translation and interpretation of the "Fountain of Wisdom" 13th century kabbalistic text.

Check his website for sample pages of text/art. His books art loaded with his art and text. davidchaimsmithcom
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In, "The Kabbalah Unveiled"; Translated by S.L. MacGregor Mathers frim the Latin 'Kabbala Denudata', mentions the Ain briefly and Ain Soph and Ain Soph Aur, in several passages.

This is what it says about Ain on page 16.

"This doctrine of equilibrium and balance is a fundamental Qabbalistical idea.

30. "The Book of Concealed Mystery" goes on to state that this, "Equilibrium hangeth in the region that is negatively existent." What is negative existence? What is positive existence? The distinction between the two is another fundamental idea. To define negative existence is clearly impossible, for when it is distinctly defined it ceases to be negative existence, it is then negative existence passing into static condition. Therefore wisely the qabbalists have shut out from mortal comprehension the primal AIN; Ain, the negatively existent One, the AIN SVP, Ain Soph, the limitless Expansion ; while of even the AIN SVP AVR, Ain Soph Aur, the illimitable Light, only a dim conception can be formed. Yet, if we think deeply, we shall see that such must be the primal forms of the unknowable and nameless One, whom we, in the more manifest form speak of as God. He is the Absolute. But, how do we define the absolute? Even as we define it, it slips from our grasp, for it ceases when defined to be the Absolute. Shall we then say that the Negative, the Limitless, the Absolute are, logically speaking, absurd, since they are ideas which our reason cannot define? No; for could we define them, we should make them, so to speak, contained by our reason, and therefore not superior to it; for a subject to be capable of definition it is requisite that certain limits should be assignable to it. How then can we limit the unlimitable?


Manly P. Hall also briefly mentions Ain in the chapter "Fundamentals of Qabbalistical Cosmogony, page CXVII of his "The Secret Teachings of All Ages."
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we all know that in kabbalah the top sphere and the most devine of them all is KETTER - crown. it represents the most high realm.

but there is more, above ketter is EIN SOF AUR which means infinite light, endless light. if this realm of endless light is condenced into a single point we will get ketter and then the rest of the tree will follow.

above ein sof aur is the realm of ein sof, which means endless, infinite, no boundry, never ends. what is it about it that never ends and has no boundries... well we dont know... it is just what it is. endless and infinite.

above them is the highest realm of them all, the realm of EIN, which means, empty, not existent, lacks... or simply nothing....


so yeah... kabbalah supports the ultimate nothingness, and puts it as the highest realm of them all.
 Quoting: DPS


Not "nothing" in the literal sense but rather, that which cannot be named or contained by thought.

"Arouse yourself to contemplate, to focus thought, for God is the annihilation of all thoughts, uncontainable by any concept. Indeed, since no one can contain God at all, it is called Nothingness, Ayin. This is the secret of the verse, “Wisdom comes into being out of ayin.” Anything sealed and concealed, totally unknown to anyone, is called ayin, meaning that no one knows anything about it. Similarly, no one knows anything at all about the human soul; she stands in the status of nothingness, as it is written: “The superiority of the human over the beast is ayin.” By means of this soul, the human being ascends higher than all other creatures and attains the glory of Ayin."

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No, I don't agree with that and I don't think many qabalist would, it's not that it is nothing, it's that we can't comprehend it.
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No. Thing.

You ever read Lon Milo's book? [link to www.amazon.com]
 Quoting: Antediluvian


no i havent. what does it have to say about the concept of ein?

i havent found a single book that mentions the top three realms above KETTER, some touch EIN SOF AUR but never found any that dare discuss EIN SOF and EIN
 Quoting: DPS


"Ayin" is the proper He Brew term and letter





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