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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 30000360 ![]() 03/07/2013 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interesting teaching from St. Pius X himself: 29 Q: But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved? A: If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God's will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, but is united to the soul of the Church and consequently is on the way of salvation This is why Catholics must spread the good news and be good witnesses and pray for those who are outside the one true fold, that they might come to a fullness of the knowledge of God and please him. As for Catholics who already know their faith St. Pius X warns sternly: 30 Q: Suppose that a man is a member of the Catholic Church, but does not put her teaching into practice, will he be saved? A: He who is a member of the Catholic Church and does not put her teaching into practice is a dead member, and hence will not be saved; for towards the salvation of an adult not only Baptism and faith are required, but, furthermore, works in keeping with faith. 25 Q: Who are the living members of the Church? A: The living members of the Church are the just, and the just alone, that is, those who are actually in the grace of God. 26 Q: And who are the dead members? A: The dead members of the Church are the faithful in mortal sin. [link to www.cin.org] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 20541213 ![]() 03/07/2013 09:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the true faith soon (Rev 6:15-17), there will be no more denial or the excuse of not knowing. The Remnant is Roman Catholic. 110 A.D. is a long long time before the Protestant revolt, October 31, 1517. Ignatius was 3rd Bishop of Antioch "Be not deceived, my brethren: If anyone follows a maker of schism [i.e., is a schismatic], he does not inherit the kingdom of God; if anyone walks in strange doctrine [i.e., is a heretic], he has no part in the passion [of Christ]. Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: For there is one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of his blood; one altar, as there is one bishop, with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons" (Letter to the Philadelphians 3:3–4:1 [A.D. 110]). |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 30000360 ![]() 03/08/2013 03:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God is going to show non-Catholics and fallen away Catholics Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213 the true faith soon (Rev 6:15-17), there will be no more denial or the excuse of not knowing. The Remnant is Roman Catholic. 110 A.D. is a long long time before the Protestant revolt, October 31, 1517. Ignatius was 3rd Bishop of Antioch "Be not deceived, my brethren: If anyone follows a maker of schism [i.e., is a schismatic], he does not inherit the kingdom of God; if anyone walks in strange doctrine [i.e., is a heretic], he has no part in the passion [of Christ]. Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: For there is one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of his blood; one altar, as there is one bishop, with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons" (Letter to the Philadelphians 3:3–4:1 [A.D. 110]). Good quote from St. Ignatius. I find it interesting and hopeful that many Protestants take an interest in Saint Augustine. Not sure why that is. Also some of them are following the prophecy of St. Malachi who names the last Popes. Maybe they will take an interest into what Saint Malachi believes and teaches.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15993935 ![]() 03/08/2013 03:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Catechism of St. Pius X. Infallible successor of Peter, one of the greatest Saints/Popes ever.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30000360 27 Q: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church? A: No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church. 5 Q: Can there not be several Churches? A: No, there cannot be more than one Church; for as there is but one God, one Faith and one Baptism, there is and can be but one true Church. 8 Q: What is the Catholic Church? A: The Catholic Church is the Union or Congregation of all the baptized who, still living on earth, profess the same Faith and the same Law of Jesus Christ, participate in the same Sacraments, and obey their lawful Pastors, particularly the Roman Pontiff. 11 Q: Why do you say that the Roman Pontiff is supreme Pastor of the Church? A: Because Jesus Christ said to St. Peter, the first Pope: "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatsoever thee shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in Heaven, and whatsoever the shallot loose on earth shall be loosed also in Heaven." And again: "Feed My lambs, feed My sheep." [link to www.cin.org] “Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it: “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.) “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.) “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) [link to catholicism.org] Holy shit you are an imbecile and that piece of text will dumb down readers. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8788578 ![]() 03/08/2013 03:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God is going to show non-Catholics and fallen away Catholics Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213 the true faith soon (Rev 6:15-17), there will be no more denial or the excuse of not knowing. The Remnant is Roman Catholic. 110 A.D. is a long long time before the Protestant revolt, October 31, 1517. Ignatius was 3rd Bishop of Antioch "Be not deceived, my brethren: If anyone follows a maker of schism [i.e., is a schismatic], he does not inherit the kingdom of God; if anyone walks in strange doctrine [i.e., is a heretic], he has no part in the passion [of Christ]. Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: For there is one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of his blood; one altar, as there is one bishop, with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons" (Letter to the Philadelphians 3:3–4:1 [A.D. 110]). You know what Stockholm Syndrome is, right? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 35590380 ![]() 03/08/2013 03:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Catechism of St. Pius X. Infallible successor of Peter, one of the greatest Saints/Popes ever.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30000360 27 Q: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church? A: No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church. 5 Q: Can there not be several Churches? A: No, there cannot be more than one Church; for as there is but one God, one Faith and one Baptism, there is and can be but one true Church. 8 Q: What is the Catholic Church? A: The Catholic Church is the Union or Congregation of all the baptized who, still living on earth, profess the same Faith and the same Law of Jesus Christ, participate in the same Sacraments, and obey their lawful Pastors, particularly the Roman Pontiff. 11 Q: Why do you say that the Roman Pontiff is supreme Pastor of the Church? A: Because Jesus Christ said to St. Peter, the first Pope: "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatsoever thee shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in Heaven, and whatsoever the shallot loose on earth shall be loosed also in Heaven." And again: "Feed My lambs, feed My sheep." [link to www.cin.org] “Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it: “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.) “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.) “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) [link to catholicism.org] One CAN be saved outside the catholic church. MILLIONS of chidren and babies world wide are SAVED from being molested..raped..bumjacked and destroyed DAILY because their parents are NOT MEMEBERS of that FAG AND PEDOPHILE INFESTED RELIGION OF EVIL! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14120236 ![]() 03/08/2013 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You mean eternal death? This is what the bible teaches,not a literal burning hell. Why does man need saving when it is his nature to express right and wrong? Where did sin orginate from? Did God violate his own law "thou sall not kill? Did he not kill? He also sent men to kill other men,women and children.... The Bible is spiritual and anything we see as literal is from carnally,not spiritual. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 35096685 ![]() 03/08/2013 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Circular "logic" - you use the thing that you call perfect...to justify your perceived perfection. You say there is no salvation outside the catholic church...but, you use the teachings of the church to justify your belief. Question for you, OP Moran, what could anybody here say or show you to prove that the roman catholic church is wrong...and that you jeopardize your salvation by following it? If your answer is nothing...then why did you bother create a thread here? Do you think somebody here will buy into the roman catholic churches bullshit? The pope is satan incarnate! All that you posted about Jesus setting up Peter as the only way...a satanic deceipt! You will be one of those people crying to Jesus, "But, Lord, we told others about you!" He in turn will say, "Away from me! I never knew you!" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33274985 ![]() 03/08/2013 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LOL @ this ridiculous question...you do not only not need any religion, you shouldn't follow any in the first place. especially not catholicism. Aside Islam, they are the worst. Read, study, learn and understand the Bible/Gospel. Then you're good to go. God & Jesus are religion-free, so is the Bible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20541213 ![]() 03/08/2013 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Catechism of St. Pius X. Infallible successor of Peter, one of the greatest Saints/Popes ever.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30000360 27 Q: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church? A: No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church. 5 Q: Can there not be several Churches? A: No, there cannot be more than one Church; for as there is but one God, one Faith and one Baptism, there is and can be but one true Church. 8 Q: What is the Catholic Church? A: The Catholic Church is the Union or Congregation of all the baptized who, still living on earth, profess the same Faith and the same Law of Jesus Christ, participate in the same Sacraments, and obey their lawful Pastors, particularly the Roman Pontiff. 11 Q: Why do you say that the Roman Pontiff is supreme Pastor of the Church? A: Because Jesus Christ said to St. Peter, the first Pope: "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatsoever thee shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in Heaven, and whatsoever the shallot loose on earth shall be loosed also in Heaven." And again: "Feed My lambs, feed My sheep." [link to www.cin.org] “Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it: “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.) “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.) “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) [link to catholicism.org] One CAN be saved outside the catholic church. MILLIONS of chidren and babies world wide are SAVED from being molested..raped..bumjacked and destroyed DAILY because their parents are NOT MEMEBERS of that FAG AND PEDOPHILE INFESTED RELIGION OF EVIL! Australia, You are wasting your time, no one reads past your first filthy word. And to believe there are no consequences or reparation for our sinful actions, you are ignorant of God's plan. God is perfectly loving and perfectly just. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6712969 ![]() 03/08/2013 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Catechism of St. Pius X. Infallible successor of Peter, one of the greatest Saints/Popes ever.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30000360 27 Q: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church? A: No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church. 5 Q: Can there not be several Churches? A: No, there cannot be more than one Church; for as there is but one God, one Faith and one Baptism, there is and can be but one true Church. 8 Q: What is the Catholic Church? A: The Catholic Church is the Union or Congregation of all the baptized who, still living on earth, profess the same Faith and the same Law of Jesus Christ, participate in the same Sacraments, and obey their lawful Pastors, particularly the Roman Pontiff. 11 Q: Why do you say that the Roman Pontiff is supreme Pastor of the Church? A: Because Jesus Christ said to St. Peter, the first Pope: "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatsoever thee shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in Heaven, and whatsoever the shallot loose on earth shall be loosed also in Heaven." And again: "Feed My lambs, feed My sheep." The One Holy Aposolic Church is the present day Eastern Orthodox Church, which tothis day keeps the traditions pure and unchanged, unlike the Romans who became anathema when they decided to excommunicate the patriarchates of Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, and Constantinople. RCC is anathematized and one cannot be saved unless they're Orthodox. Heresy and wrong doctrine lead to hell [link to www.cin.org] “Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it: “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.) “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.) “The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) [link to catholicism.org] |