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Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?

 
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The RCC cannot save anyone because they're heretics an became anathematized in 1054 when Rome decided to excommunicate the Patriarchates of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem. Rome broke away from the True one Holy and Apostolic Church which is the Eastern Orthodox Church. Christ said you will know them by their fruits, the question of wrong doctrine teachings and changes that oppose the Tradition of the Holy Fathers is the least of Romes worries, the RCC has become hijacked by satanist epithets just like the Russian Orthodox Patriarchate was (and still is) controlled by the communique and the KGB.
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The RCC cannot save anyone because they're heretics an became anathematized in 1054 when Rome decided to excommunicate the Patriarchates of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem. Rome broke away from the True one Holy and Apostolic Church which is the Eastern Orthodox Church. Christ said you will know them by their fruits, the question of wrong doctrine teachings and changes that oppose the Tradition of the Holy Fathers is the least of Romes worries, the RCC has become hijacked by satanist epithets just like the Russian Orthodox Patriarchate was (and still is) controlled by the communique and the KGB.
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So which was the true Church in 1053? Our Lord only created one, and he promised that Church that the gates of Hell WOULD NOT prevail against her. The one true Church has been promised that it would exist from day one till the end of the world. No one can deny this....




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I'm not anti catholic but being an orthodox Christian I'd rather stay with the church that Preserves the tradition and doesn't change the nicene creed based on unbiblical assumptions (Filioque)
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I'm not anti catholic but being an orthodox Christian I'd rather stay with the church that Preserves the tradition and doesn't change the nicene creed based on unbiblical assumptions (Filioque)
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With all due respect, that's like saying I belong to the Church that rejects the headship of Peter and his successors... If your upset by the scandal you see in the Roman Church I can completely understand, that is why I'd suggest sticking to the Traditional Roman Catholic Church which can be followed in any chapel of the SSPX....

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Peter's successors have the keys.....


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I'm not anti catholic but being an orthodox Christian I'd rather stay with the church that Preserves the tradition and doesn't change the nicene creed based on unbiblical assumptions (Filioque)
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With all due respect, that's like saying I belong to the Church that rejects the headship of Peter and his successors... If your upset by the scandal you see in the Roman Church I can completely understand, that is why I'd suggest sticking to the Traditional Roman Catholic Church which can be followed in any chapel of the SSPX....
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Can you explain please why the RCC decided to change the Nicene Creed? If the Nicene Creed (not the Roman Creed) was okay up until then, why change it? What about "the faith of our fathers"?
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I'm not anti catholic but being an orthodox Christian I'd rather stay with the church that Preserves the tradition and doesn't change the nicene creed based on unbiblical assumptions (Filioque)
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With all due respect, that's like saying I belong to the Church that rejects the headship of Peter and his successors... If your upset by the scandal you see in the Roman Church I can completely understand, that is why I'd suggest sticking to the Traditional Roman Catholic Church which can be followed in any chapel of the SSPX....
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Can you explain please why the RCC decided to change the Nicene Creed? If the Nicene Creed (not the Roman Creed) was okay up until then, why change it? What about "the faith of our fathers"?
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The Catholic Church has several Creeds, the main three are the Nicene Creed, the Athansius Creed, and the Apostles Creed....

[link to www.catholictradition.org]


I'm not sure what you mean by 'changed the Nicene Creed' maybe you're wondering why the Church says the Apostles Creed at Mass instead of the Nicene Creed? At Traditional Latin Mass the Nicene Creed is always used....

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God is going to show non-Catholics and fallen away Catholics
the true faith soon (Rev 6:15-17), there will be no more denial or the excuse of not knowing.

The Remnant is Roman Catholic.

110 A.D. is a long long time before the Protestant revolt, October 31, 1517.

Ignatius was 3rd Bishop of Antioch

"Be not deceived, my brethren: If anyone follows a maker of schism [i.e., is a schismatic], he does not inherit the kingdom of God; if anyone walks in strange doctrine [i.e., is a heretic], he has no part in the passion [of Christ]. Take care, then, to use one Eucharist, so that whatever you do, you do according to God: For there is one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup in the union of his blood; one altar, as there is one bishop, with the presbytery and my fellow servants, the deacons" (Letter to the Philadelphians 3:3–4:1 [A.D. 110]).
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Good quote from St. Ignatius. I find it interesting and hopeful that many Protestants take an interest in Saint Augustine. Not sure why that is. Also some of them are following the prophecy of St. Malachi who names the last Popes. Maybe they will take an interest into what Saint Malachi believes and teaches....
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Would rather pursue the teachings of Jesus instead:

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

Based upon the aforementioned verse, the concept that salvation comes through the rcc is blasphemy
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The RCC cannot save anyone because they're heretics an became anathematized in 1054 when Rome decided to excommunicate the Patriarchates of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem. Rome broke away from the True one Holy and Apostolic Church which is the Eastern Orthodox Church. Christ said you will know them by their fruits, the question of wrong doctrine teachings and changes that oppose the Tradition of the Holy Fathers is the least of Romes worries, the RCC has become hijacked by satanist epithets just like the Russian Orthodox Patriarchate was (and still is) controlled by the communique and the KGB.
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The reason there was a split was a power grab, and the issue of married priests.
FTR, I am a Byzantine Catholic. We are identical to the Orthodox, except we are under the Pope. SOME of our priests are married, but there are some crazy rules on married priests. ANY Byzantine priest in the USA cannot get married. ANY Byzantine priest from any other country CAN get married. Before the 1920's ALL Byzantine priests could be married. Back in the 1920's the Roman Catholic priests and bishops were throwing a fit, saying that Byzantine Catholic priests should not be allowed to marry, like the RC priests. They petitioned Rome, and a compromise was reached. Effective the late 1920's, a ban on marraige was put on all Byzantine priests in the USA, but other countries had no ban. But, OTOH, a married priest from another country CAN come to the USA and have no conflict. SOME American Seminarians go to Europe to get married and ordained, to get around the rule.
The Eucharist in the Orthodox Churches are considered to be just as valid as the Eucharist in any of the Catholic Churches. I, as a Byzantine Catholic, can attend an Orthodox Liturgy, if a Byzantine is not available in the area I am in, and it is just as valid.
Praise God from Whom all Blessings flow !!!
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I'm not anti catholic but being an orthodox Christian I'd rather stay with the church that Preserves the tradition and doesn't change the nicene creed based on unbiblical assumptions (Filioque)
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With all due respect, that's like saying I belong to the Church that rejects the headship of Peter and his successors... If your upset by the scandal you see in the Roman Church I can completely understand, that is why I'd suggest sticking to the Traditional Roman Catholic Church which can be followed in any chapel of the SSPX....
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Can you explain please why the RCC decided to change the Nicene Creed? If the Nicene Creed (not the Roman Creed) was okay up until then, why change it? What about "the faith of our fathers"?
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The Catholic Church has several Creeds, the main three are the Nicene Creed, the Athansius Creed, and the Apostles Creed....

[link to www.catholictradition.org]


I'm not sure what you mean by 'changed the Nicene Creed' maybe you're wondering why the Church says the Apostles Creed at Mass instead of the Nicene Creed? At Traditional Latin Mass the Nicene Creed is always used....


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they added "and the son" after I believe in the holy spirit ... who proceeds from the father
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'changed the Nicene Creed'
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Do you really not know anything about the Great East West Schism?

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I'm not sure what you mean by 'changed the Nicene Creed'
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Do you really not know anything about the Great East West Schism?

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evidently not
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Saved from what?
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Ethernal hell
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Ethereal is what it is.
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I'm not anti catholic but being an orthodox Christian I'd rather stay with the church that Preserves the tradition and doesn't change the nicene creed based on unbiblical assumptions (Filioque)
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With all due respect, that's like saying I belong to the Church that rejects the headship of Peter and his successors... If your upset by the scandal you see in the Roman Church I can completely understand, that is why I'd suggest sticking to the Traditional Roman Catholic Church which can be followed in any chapel of the SSPX....
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Can you explain please why the RCC decided to change the Nicene Creed? If the Nicene Creed (not the Roman Creed) was okay up until then, why change it? What about "the faith of our fathers"?
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Well I'm no theologist but it makes perfect sense to me to say that the Holy Ghosts proceeds from the Father, as well as from the Son. No? That's what the Holy Ghost is, the love, or spirit between the Father and the Son. Here's so more on the subject.....

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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1 Q: What are we taught in the Eighth Article: I believe in the Holy Ghost?

A: The Eighth Article of the Creed teaches us that there is a Holy Ghost, the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity; and that, like the Father and the Son, He is God eternal, infinite, omnipotent, Creator and Lord of all things.

2 Q: From whom does the Holy Ghost proceed?

A: The Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son, as from one Principle, by way of will and love.

3 Q: If the Son proceeds from the Father, and the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son, it would seem as if the Father and the Son are prior to the Holy Ghost; how then can it be said that all the Three Persons are eternal?

A: It is said that all the Three Persons are eternal, because the Father has begotten the Son from all eternity, and the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and from the Son from all eternity.

4 Q: Why is the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity specially designated by the name of the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit?

A: The Third Person of the Blessed Trinity is specially designated by the name of the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit, because He proceeds from the Father and from the Son by way of spiration and of love.

5 Q: What work is especially attributed to the Holy Ghost?

A: To the Holy Ghost is specially attributed the sanctification of souls.

6 Q: Do the Father and the Son sanctify us equally with the Holy Ghost?

A: Yes, all the Three Divine Persons equally sanctify us.

7 Q: If this is so, why is the sanctification of souls specially attributed to the Holy Ghost?

A: The sanctification-of souls is specially attributed to the Holy Ghost, because it is a work of love, and the works of love are attributed to the Holy Ghost.

8 Q: When did the Holy Ghost descend on the Apostles?

A: The Holy Ghost descended on the Apostles on the day of Pentecost, that is, fifty days after the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, and ten days after His Ascension.

9 Q: Where were the Apostles during the ten days preceding Pentecost?

A: The Apostles were gathered together in the Supper Room with the Virgin Mary and the other disciples, and were persevering in prayer in expectation of the Holy Ghost, Whom Jesus Christ had promised to send them.

10 Q: What effects did the Holy Ghost produce in the Apostles?

A: The Holy Ghost confirmed the Apostles in the faith, filled them with light, strength, charity, and an abundance of all His gifts.

11 Q: Was the Holy Ghost sent for the Apostles alone?

A: The Holy Ghost was sent for the whole Church and for every faithful soul.

12 Q: What does the Holy Ghost do in the Church?

A: The Holy Ghost gives life to the Church by His grace and by His gifts, as the soul gives life to the body; He establishes in her the Kingdom of truth and of love; and He helps her to lead her children in safety along the way to heaven.

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Can you explain please why the RCC decided to change the Nicene Creed? If the Nicene Creed (not the Roman Creed) was okay up until then, why change it? What about "the faith of our fathers"?
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Well I'm no theologist but it makes perfect sense to me to say that the Holy Ghosts proceeds from the Father, as well as from the Son. No? That's what the Holy Ghost is, the love, or spirit between the Father and the Son. Here's so more on the subject.....

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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So the situation was that the western church wanted to change various things. The eastern church did not want to make changes.

Due to these differences, the church split into east and west. After the east became known as the Orthodox Catholic Church, also known as the Orthodox Church (OC). The west became known as the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). This is the origin of the RCC in 1054, so you really should know something about it.

The RCC said that the OC is heretical for not wanting to make changes. Try to understand that. Not making random changes was called heresy. The OC just wanted to stick to the faith of our fathers. The RCC wanted to change things.

Irreconcilable differences led to the East-West Schism in 1054, which is where the RCC started.
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I wouldn't be caught dead following the religion ushering in the antichrist.
"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic."
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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
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Absolutely.
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Jesus Christ is Lord.


The Catholic Church is composed of mere sinful men who dictate nothing to The Almighty.
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Can you explain please why the RCC decided to change the Nicene Creed? If the Nicene Creed (not the Roman Creed) was okay up until then, why change it? What about "the faith of our fathers"?
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Well I'm no theologist but it makes perfect sense to me to say that the Holy Ghosts proceeds from the Father, as well as from the Son. No? That's what the Holy Ghost is, the love, or spirit between the Father and the Son. Here's so more on the subject.....

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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So the situation was that the western church wanted to change various things. The eastern church did not want to make changes.

Due to these differences, the church split into east and west. After the east became known as the Orthodox Catholic Church, also known as the Orthodox Church (OC). The west became known as the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). This is the origin of the RCC in 1054, so you really should know something about it.

The RCC said that the OC is heretical for not wanting to make changes. Try to understand that. Not making random changes was called heresy. The OC just wanted to stick to the faith of our fathers. The RCC wanted to change things.

Irreconcilable differences led to the East-West Schism in 1054, which is where the RCC started.
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Thanks,that's a very interesting take on the schism. I don't think the Roman Church changed anything by revealing that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son. Because this is truth, no? It seems to me it was a matter of pride or disobedience on the Eastern Church leaders part, insomuch as they knew that they had to submit to the Successor of Peter as the head of the Church. The Church has throughout history revealed truths later on in time, for example the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. It was not a new teaching, but rather a revelation from the successor of Peter about something that has always been true...
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The RCC cannot save anyone because they're heretics an became anathematized in 1054 when Rome decided to excommunicate the Patriarchates of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem. Rome broke away from the True one Holy and Apostolic Church which is the Eastern Orthodox Church. Christ said you will know them by their fruits, the question of wrong doctrine teachings and changes that oppose the Tradition of the Holy Fathers is the least of Romes worries, the RCC has become hijacked by satanist epithets just like the Russian Orthodox Patriarchate was (and still is) controlled by the communique and the KGB.
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So which was the true Church in 1053? Our Lord only created one, and he promised that Church that the gates of Hell WOULD NOT prevail against her. The one true Church has been promised that it would exist from day one till the end of the world. No one can deny this....





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I will make a deal with you.If you are correct then i am going to burn in hell.I accept that fate./If I am correct and the RCC is NOT the one true church then it is only fair that you accept your fate and burn in hell for eternity.Do you accept this?
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If Peter was the first pope, why did Jesus immediately thereafter call him Satan?
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Thanks,that's a very interesting take on the schism. I don't think the Roman Church changed anything by revealing that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son. Because this is truth, no? It seems to me it was a matter of pride or disobedience on the Eastern Church leaders part, insomuch as they knew that they had to submit to the Successor of Peter as the head of the Church. The Church has throughout history revealed truths later on in time, for example the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. It was not a new teaching, but rather a revelation from the successor of Peter about something that has always been true...
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"Submitting to Peter as the head of the Church" is another change demanded by the west. Of course the eastern, Orthodox Church fully believes that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church; and will accept no substitute.
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Catechism of St. Pius X. Infallible successor of Peter, one of the greatest Saints/Popes ever....

27 Q: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?

A: No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.

5 Q: Can there not be several Churches?

A: No, there cannot be more than one Church; for as there is but one God, one Faith and one Baptism, there is and can be but one true Church.

8 Q: What is the Catholic Church?

A: The Catholic Church is the Union or Congregation of all the baptized who, still living on earth, profess the same Faith and the same Law of Jesus Christ, participate in the same Sacraments, and obey their lawful Pastors, particularly the Roman Pontiff.

11 Q: Why do you say that the Roman Pontiff is supreme Pastor of the Church?

A: Because Jesus Christ said to St. Peter, the first Pope: "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatsoever thee shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in Heaven, and whatsoever the shallot loose on earth shall be loosed also in Heaven." And again: "Feed My lambs, feed My sheep."

[link to www.cin.org]



“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:

“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

[link to catholicism.org]
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What a load of crap!!
St. Pius can suck my 10" cock while being saved.
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Can you explain please why the RCC decided to change the Nicene Creed? If the Nicene Creed (not the Roman Creed) was okay up until then, why change it? What about "the faith of our fathers"?
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Well I'm no theologist but it makes perfect sense to me to say that the Holy Ghosts proceeds from the Father, as well as from the Son. No? That's what the Holy Ghost is, the love, or spirit between the Father and the Son. Here's so more on the subject.....

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30000360


So the situation was that the western church wanted to change various things. The eastern church did not want to make changes.

Due to these differences, the church split into east and west. After the east became known as the Orthodox Catholic Church, also known as the Orthodox Church (OC). The west became known as the Roman Catholic Church (RCC). This is the origin of the RCC in 1054, so you really should know something about it.

The RCC said that the OC is heretical for not wanting to make changes. Try to understand that. Not making random changes was called heresy. The OC just wanted to stick to the faith of our fathers. The RCC wanted to change things.

Irreconcilable differences led to the East-West Schism in 1054, which is where the RCC started.
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Thanks,that's a very interesting take on the schism. I don't think the Roman Church changed anything by revealing that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son. Because this is truth, no? It seems to me it was a matter of pride or disobedience on the Eastern Church leaders part, insomuch as they knew that they had to submit to the Successor of Peter as the head of the Church. The Church has throughout history revealed truths later on in time, for example the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. It was not a new teaching, but rather a revelation from the successor of Peter about something that has always been true...
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I was told by a RCC priest yesterday that i would burn in hell if I do not join the church.I agree that hell exists.I agree that Jesus exists.I believe the Bible literally.
I do not agree that I need to be Roman Catholic.So accoring to Him I will burn in hell.I said ok but if I am right you must agree right now that you will accept the punishment of hell.He refused.HE REFUSED!So he did NOT believe the rubbish he was preaching.
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Catechism of St. Pius X. Infallible successor of Peter, one of the greatest Saints/Popes ever....

27 Q: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?

A: No, no one can be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic Roman Church, just as no one could be saved from the flood outside the Ark of Noah, which was a figure of the Church.

5 Q: Can there not be several Churches?

A: No, there cannot be more than one Church; for as there is but one God, one Faith and one Baptism, there is and can be but one true Church.

8 Q: What is the Catholic Church?

A: The Catholic Church is the Union or Congregation of all the baptized who, still living on earth, profess the same Faith and the same Law of Jesus Christ, participate in the same Sacraments, and obey their lawful Pastors, particularly the Roman Pontiff.

11 Q: Why do you say that the Roman Pontiff is supreme Pastor of the Church?

A: Because Jesus Christ said to St. Peter, the first Pope: "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My Church, and I will give to thee the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatsoever thee shalt bind on earth shall be bound also in Heaven, and whatsoever the shallot loose on earth shall be loosed also in Heaven." And again: "Feed My lambs, feed My sheep."

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“Outside the Church there is no salvation” (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) is a doctrine of the Catholic Faith that was taught By Jesus Christ to His Apostles, preached by the Fathers, defined by popes and councils and piously believed by the faithful in every age of the Church. Here is how the Popes defined it:

“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.)
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.)
“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
You mean eternal death? This is what the bible teaches,not a literal burning hell.
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Niether of these things exist
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Hell most certainly exists.
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
The RCC cannot save anyone because they're heretics an became anathematized in 1054 when Rome decided to excommunicate the Patriarchates of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem. Rome broke away from the True one Holy and Apostolic Church which is the Eastern Orthodox Church. Christ said you will know them by their fruits, the question of wrong doctrine teachings and changes that oppose the Tradition of the Holy Fathers is the least of Romes worries, the RCC has become hijacked by satanist epithets just like the Russian Orthodox Patriarchate was (and still is) controlled by the communique and the KGB.
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So which was the true Church in 1053? Our Lord only created one, and he promised that Church that the gates of Hell WOULD NOT prevail against her. The one true Church has been promised that it would exist from day one till the end of the world. No one can deny this....





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I will make a deal with you.If you are correct then i am going to burn in hell.I accept that fate./If I am correct and the RCC is NOT the one true church then it is only fair that you accept your fate and burn in hell for eternity.Do you accept this?
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Well, I think that's up to Our Lord to decide. I believe with all my heart and mind that I belong to the one true Church that Christ started and will continue until the end of time under the successor of Peter. However, whether or not I will escape Hell is a different question. I can't begin to say how many weaknesses I have. The good thing is I know who I am and my weaknesses and therefore I try to live a repentfull life. I Hope for God's mercy, and someone who have to kill me before I ever took off my Brown Scapular and rosary.

I wish all the best for you. May Our Lord have mercy on us all....
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
The RCC cannot save anyone because they're heretics an became anathematized in 1054 when Rome decided to excommunicate the Patriarchates of Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem. Rome broke away from the True one Holy and Apostolic Church which is the Eastern Orthodox Church. Christ said you will know them by their fruits, the question of wrong doctrine teachings and changes that oppose the Tradition of the Holy Fathers is the least of Romes worries, the RCC has become hijacked by satanist epithets just like the Russian Orthodox Patriarchate was (and still is) controlled by the communique and the KGB.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6712969



So which was the true Church in 1053? Our Lord only created one, and he promised that Church that the gates of Hell WOULD NOT prevail against her. The one true Church has been promised that it would exist from day one till the end of the world. No one can deny this....





 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30000360
I will make a deal with you.If you are correct then i am going to burn in hell.I accept that fate./If I am correct and the RCC is NOT the one true church then it is only fair that you accept your fate and burn in hell for eternity.Do you accept this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13813766


Well, I think that's up to Our Lord to decide. I believe with all my heart and mind that I belong to the one true Church that Christ started and will continue until the end of time under the successor of Peter. However, whether or not I will escape Hell is a different question. I can't begin to say how many weaknesses I have. The good thing is I know who I am and my weaknesses and therefore I try to live a repentfull life. I Hope for God's mercy, and someone who have to kill me before I ever took off my Brown Scapular and rosary.

I wish all the best for you. May Our Lord have mercy on us all....
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You hypocrite.You claim that we outside of the RCC are going to hell.But you REFUSE to accept that same fate should you be wrong.When it comes to us you say the POPE is right but when it comes to you the claim is that God is right.HYPOCRITE.Hell awaits you.
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
Jesus Christ is Lord.

No Catholic can add or subtract from that, regardless of anything they say.





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