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Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?

 
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Jesus Christ is Lord.

No Catholic can add or subtract from that, regardless of anything they say.
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Of course not. That is what the Catholic Church has been teaching for two thousand years and will continue to teach until the end of time.
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Here is a link for those interested in finding a Traditional Catholic Church near you....

[link to www.sspx.org]

Also a link to some good vids...


[link to www.youtube.com]
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
Jesus Christ is Lord.

No Catholic can add or subtract from that, regardless of anything they say.
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Of course not. That is what the Catholic Church has been teaching for two thousand years and will continue to teach until the end of time.
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The RCC teaches a false Gospel.
the Bible says let all have communion but the RCC church will not allow me to have communion in tjheir church.they teach that Mary is a co reedmer that mary is without sin that they make saints and all that is unbiblical.
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
Here is a link for those interested in finding a Traditional Catholic Church near you....

[link to www.sspx.org]

Also a link to some good vids...


[link to www.youtube.com]
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The Bible says those that teach are judged much more harshly.
You people make saints when the Bible says the TRUE believers are the saints.Why do you do that?You teach Mary had no sin when clearly she needed a saviour. You teach that Mary is the MOTHER of God and I have even heard her described by RC's as His much beloved spouse.You pray to the dead when the Bible says not to.You idolise relics such as cloth and bones.Want me to go on?
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Mark 12:38
As he taught, Jesus said, "Watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and be greeted in the marketplaces,
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Thanks,that's a very interesting take on the schism. I don't think the Roman Church changed anything by revealing that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son. Because this is truth, no? It seems to me it was a matter of pride or disobedience on the Eastern Church leaders part, insomuch as they knew that they had to submit to the Successor of Peter as the head of the Church. The Church has throughout history revealed truths later on in time, for example the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. It was not a new teaching, but rather a revelation from the successor of Peter about something that has always been true...
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"Submitting to Peter as the head of the Church" is another change demanded by the west. Of course the eastern, Orthodox Church fully believes that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church; and will accept no substitute.
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Would you have said that to St. Peter?
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If one TRUELY believes that one can be saved, by definition one already is saved.
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
Jesus Christ is Lord.

No Catholic can add or subtract from that, regardless of anything they say.
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Of course not. That is what the Catholic Church has been teaching for two thousand years and will continue to teach until the end of time.
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Then why do we need the Roman Catholic Church?
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Thanks,that's a very interesting take on the schism. I don't think the Roman Church changed anything by revealing that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son. Because this is truth, no? It seems to me it was a matter of pride or disobedience on the Eastern Church leaders part, insomuch as they knew that they had to submit to the Successor of Peter as the head of the Church. The Church has throughout history revealed truths later on in time, for example the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. It was not a new teaching, but rather a revelation from the successor of Peter about something that has always been true...
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"Submitting to Peter as the head of the Church" is another change demanded by the west. Of course the eastern, Orthodox Church fully believes that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church; and will accept no substitute.
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Would you have said that to St. Peter?
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Why did Jesus call Peter Satan?
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
Jesus Christ is Lord.

No Catholic can add or subtract from that, regardless of anything they say.
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Of course not. That is what the Catholic Church has been teaching for two thousand years and will continue to teach until the end of time.
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The RCC teaches a false Gospel.
the Bible says let all have communion but the RCC church will not allow me to have communion in tjheir church.they teach that Mary is a co reedmer that mary is without sin that they make saints and all that is unbiblical.
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This is a wonderful video on why the faithful have devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary....


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Why did Jesus Christ say "Call no man Father" just before supposedly instituting a church where every supposed religious leader is called Father?
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
Thanks,that's a very interesting take on the schism. I don't think the Roman Church changed anything by revealing that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son. Because this is truth, no? It seems to me it was a matter of pride or disobedience on the Eastern Church leaders part, insomuch as they knew that they had to submit to the Successor of Peter as the head of the Church. The Church has throughout history revealed truths later on in time, for example the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. It was not a new teaching, but rather a revelation from the successor of Peter about something that has always been true...
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"Submitting to Peter as the head of the Church" is another change demanded by the west. Of course the eastern, Orthodox Church fully believes that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church; and will accept no substitute.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35769388


Would you have said that to St. Peter?
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Why did Jesus call Peter Satan?
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Because Satan made these suggestions to St. Peter who vocalized them to Our Lord.

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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
Are Catholics saved?

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Why did Jesus Christ say "Call no man Father" just before supposedly instituting a church where every supposed religious leader is called Father?
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He said call no man teacher either.... The New Testament talks about the Fathers and priests....

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"Submitting to Peter as the head of the Church" is another change demanded by the west. Of course the eastern, Orthodox Church fully believes that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church; and will accept no substitute.
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Would you have said that to St. Peter?
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Would St Peter have claimed to be head of the church when he knows that Jesus Christ is the only Head of the Church?


And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
-- Colossians 1:18


For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
-- Ephesians 5:23


The Orthodox Church (OC) still says today that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church. The RCC says that the OC is legitimate.

"The unity of the Church is rather manifested in common faith and communion in the sacraments and no one but Christ himself is the real head of the Church." [link to orthodoxinfo.com]
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
Jesus Christ is Lord.

No Catholic can add or subtract from that, regardless of anything they say.
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Of course not. That is what the Catholic Church has been teaching for two thousand years and will continue to teach until the end of time.
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The RCC teaches a false Gospel.
the Bible says let all have communion but the RCC church will not allow me to have communion in tjheir church.they teach that Mary is a co reedmer that mary is without sin that they make saints and all that is unbiblical.
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This is a wonderful video on why the faithful have devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary....



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I prefer the Bible to the doctrines of men.
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
Jesus Christ is Lord.

No Catholic can add or subtract from that, regardless of anything they say.
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Of course not. That is what the Catholic Church has been teaching for two thousand years and will continue to teach until the end of time.
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Then why do we need the Roman Catholic Church?
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OP,
Will you please watch this video and tell me anywhere that it is incorrect?

Are Catholics saved?


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OP,
Will you please watch this video and tell me anywhere that it is incorrect?

Are Catholics saved?


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Will do tomorrow friend, Gotta get some sleep now!
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Of course not. That is what the Catholic Church has been teaching for two thousand years and will continue to teach until the end of time.
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The RCC teaches a false Gospel.
the Bible says let all have communion but the RCC church will not allow me to have communion in tjheir church.they teach that Mary is a co reedmer that mary is without sin that they make saints and all that is unbiblical.
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This is a wonderful video on why the faithful have devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary....



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I prefer the Bible to the doctrines of men.
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This video is all about the teachings of the bible!
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"Submitting to Peter as the head of the Church" is another change demanded by the west. Of course the eastern, Orthodox Church fully believes that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church; and will accept no substitute.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35769388


Would you have said that to St. Peter?
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Would St Peter have claimed to be head of the church when he knows that Jesus Christ is the only Head of the Church?


And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
-- Colossians 1:18


For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
-- Ephesians 5:23


The Orthodox Church (OC) still says today that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church. The RCC says that the OC is legitimate.

"The unity of the Church is rather manifested in common faith and communion in the sacraments and no one but Christ himself is the real head of the Church." [link to orthodoxinfo.com]
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Jesus is the invisible head of the Church. The pope is the visible head of the Church...

[link to www.ourladyswarriors.org]
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The RCC teaches a false Gospel.
the Bible says let all have communion but the RCC church will not allow me to have communion in tjheir church.they teach that Mary is a co reedmer that mary is without sin that they make saints and all that is unbiblical.
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This is a wonderful video on why the faithful have devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary....



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I prefer the Bible to the doctrines of men.
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with a Roman Catholic SLANT!So are you prepared for Hell if you are wrong?Only fair.



This video is all about the teachings of the bible!
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
William Tyndale

Executed by the Catholic Church for the crime of translating the bible into English.
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
"Submitting to Peter as the head of the Church" is another change demanded by the west. Of course the eastern, Orthodox Church fully believes that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church; and will accept no substitute.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35769388


Would you have said that to St. Peter?
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Would St Peter have claimed to be head of the church when he knows that Jesus Christ is the only Head of the Church?


And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
-- Colossians 1:18


For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
-- Ephesians 5:23


The Orthodox Church (OC) still says today that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church. The RCC says that the OC is legitimate.

"The unity of the Church is rather manifested in common faith and communion in the sacraments and no one but Christ himself is the real head of the Church." [link to orthodoxinfo.com]
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Jesus is the invisible head of the Church. The pope is the visible head of the Church...

[link to www.ourladyswarriors.org]
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apart from the false teachings how do you explain all the tortured people by the RCC and how do explain the murder of so many so called witches by this so called ONE TRUE CHURCH>???
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
"Submitting to Peter as the head of the Church" is another change demanded by the west. Of course the eastern, Orthodox Church fully believes that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church; and will accept no substitute.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35769388


Would you have said that to St. Peter?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30000360


Would St Peter have claimed to be head of the church when he knows that Jesus Christ is the only Head of the Church?


And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
-- Colossians 1:18


For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
-- Ephesians 5:23


The Orthodox Church (OC) still says today that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church. The RCC says that the OC is legitimate.

"The unity of the Church is rather manifested in common faith and communion in the sacraments and no one but Christ himself is the real head of the Church." [link to orthodoxinfo.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35769388




Jesus is the invisible head of the Church. The pope is the visible head of the Church...

[link to www.ourladyswarriors.org]
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pope is head of YOUR church.He isnt the Head of MY church.
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
True or false...the Roman Catholic Church is the only way to salvation?

FALSE
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The Orthodox Church (OC) still says today that Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church. The RCC says that the OC is legitimate.

"The unity of the Church is rather manifested in common faith and communion in the sacraments and no one but Christ himself is the real head of the Church." [link to orthodoxinfo.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35769388




Jesus is the invisible head of the Church. The pope is the visible head of the Church...

[link to www.ourladyswarriors.org]
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Orthodox Church position: Jesus Christ is the ONLY Head of the Church, there is no other.

Hopefully now you can understand why the Great Schism happened. Hopefully you can understand why simply posting "Everybody should be in the RCC" won't fix the schisms. Especially if you demand that people accept the same things that caused the schisms in the first place.
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
Jesus Christ is Lord.

No Catholic can add or subtract from that, regardless of anything they say.
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Of course not. That is what the Catholic Church has been teaching for two thousand years and will continue to teach until the end of time.
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how do you explain the billions of dollars held by the RCC while people have no food and starve?Jesus said to feed the poor not hoard money.
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
True or false: The only place for salvation is the Roman Catholic Church?

False
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Re: Can one be saved outside the Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church?
Mark 12:38
As he taught, Jesus said, "Watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and be greeted in the marketplaces,
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They cannot see that their reams and reams of catechisms and other doctrines of men, many of which make the law of God null, are no different than what Jesus Christ found in Judea - and subsequently destroyed.

They cannot see that that the RCC 'excommunication' is the threat of the Jews to kick those who come into the faith of Jesus Christ out of the synagogue.

They cannot see that Mary worship, scapulars, rosaries, sacraments, and other church traditions keep them hunched over like the woman Jesus healed.

They can read that it is Jesus who saves but they cannot hear it nor see it.

They cannot see that false 'catholic prophets' (mystics) have given false prophecies, and cannot understand that these prophecies can come true but yet still be false prophecies from false prophets.

They are indoctrinated into false logic and circular reasoning - using the very churches doctrine to prove the 'truth' of what the church states. It's no different than how a child believes in Santa Claus - he believes in his parents lie that Santa claus is true by the very 'presents' and 'eaten cookies' that those same parents put out. They trust their church leaders like a child trusts their parents.

They bow to statues and repetitively chant because the church deems itself superior to the words of God.

They believe that their worship of Mary as Queen of Heaven, as the "mother' of God and as "co-Redemptrix' is true.....because their church said it is true. Circular logic. Like the oppressed brethren under the teachers and leaders in Judea, they can't see that they uphold the word of man over the Word of God.

They believe the bleeding statues and Marian apparitions are 'divine miracles' ....because their church says so. More circular logic.

But through it all, if they would only pray for understanding as they opened the Bible to be shown the truth from lies, they could be set free from the doctrines of men, the handwritten ordinances and the authorities and powers which Jesus Christ sets us free from.

If they could understand that those authorities and powers in the 'high places' are men, then they'd look at their leaders - and run.

And through it all, those which the RCC maintains as heretics for refusing to bow to it instead of Almighty God would welcome them with open arms as they make their escape.





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