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Hartford Courant Reports Brand New Sandy Hook Details

 
Glaaad-eee-ooo
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Hartford Courant Reports Brand New Sandy Hook Details
Unbelievable..
[link to www.courant.com]

Among the details in the article:

-Lanza fired 152 rounds in less than 5 minutes

-Police found articles in his room about other mass murders. This one makes me laugh. Newspaper clippings? Who does that anymore? Oh yeah, crazy people. I love how he leaves behing the articles, yet destroys his hard drive. Ya.

-Finally get to hear about the OTHER WOUNDED ADULT (not Natalie Hammond) Not named, however.

-The blood covered girl from Rousseau's room? Ran out on her own accord, not escorted out by Officer Chapman as NY Times claims.
[link to www.nytimes.com]

-The number of kids hiding in Soto's closet has gone from 7 to 5.

Give the Courant article a read. See what other confounding discrepancies you find.
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States' Attorney says whitewash-- uh,I mean, final report, should be ready by June.
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"Some bullets struck three cars in the parking lot, and police originally investigated the theory that he was shooting at responding officers. They now believe that he was aiming at a teacher who was standing near the window."

[link to www.courant.com]
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03/13/2013 06:02 PM
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Yeah! You get em!

Nobody died or shot!

They went to live on the new space colony on Mars.
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Korean man,

I see you are the Sandy Hook shill designate this month.

You try to put words in my mouth.

I simply point out conflicting details in report after report from local media.

You think Lanza squeezed off 152 rounds in 5 minutes? Changing clips often? Hitting 28 and killing 26?

Not likely.

Of course, surveillance video would put all the speculation to rest, wouldn't it??
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"Sources said that Sandy Hook Elementary had only weeks earlier had a lockdown drill and that Roig had not taken down the piece of black construction paper that teachers are instructed to place over the small window in the classroom doors so that no one can look in."

BS. I suppose this is their flimsy excuse as to why the shooter bypassed her classroom? Seriously??
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@Anon. Girl

LOL the good old black construction paper saved the day!

I wonder why it took them so long to come up with that.

First I've heard about a lockdown drill the week before.

Not that they're that rare, but...
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@Anon. Girl

LOL the good old black construction paper saved the day!

I wonder why it took them so long to come up with that.

First I've heard about a lockdown drill the week before.

Not that they're that rare, but...
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And we're also supposed to believe that the principal, a custodian, a fellow teacher or even a student in the "weeks" after the previous drill wouldn't have removed the paper. Mmhmm.
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nice finding glad!
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At what point then did Lanza supposedly open the door to the nurses office? Where is the nurses office in regard to the rest of the layout?

And boy, what a "heroic" nurse; all those years of studying and training and practicing her chosen profession only to hide in a closet for four hours when she could have taken a chance and left her safe little closet and tried to save one poor helpless child. She should be ashamed of herself or have shown some bit of remorse in her interview with George Streptococis about not even trying but did she? Hell no! If my kid went to the new Sandy Hook school I wouldn't! Let her within a hundred yards of my kid. But, as we all know, the people of Sandy Hook react a little different than most.
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Korean man,

I see you are the Sandy Hook shill designate this month.

You try to put words in my mouth.

I simply point out conflicting details in report after report from local media.

You think Lanza squeezed off 152 rounds in 5 minutes? Changing clips often? Hitting 28 and killing 26?

Not likely.

Of course, surveillance video would put all the speculation to rest, wouldn't it??
 Quoting: G-Man 30612118


Yes I can do that many rounds that quick against easy targets, and I could do it easily.

I can shoot 30 rounds in under 10 seconds just firing. I can get off 30 rounds accurately in about 20 seconds against several targets and then mag changes are 5 sec or less.

mag change-
shooting.... *empty mag*
-right index finger drops mag while left hand grabs fresh mag
-insert fresh mag with left hand, slap bottom, and hit bolt release to load fresh round into chamber
shoot

In 5 minutes, I could get easily get off 300 rounds against targets accurately, if I had the loaded mags on me. That would be doing 2 mags/minute. I could squeeze off a whole lot more than that if I wasnt being as accurate.
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At what point then did Lanza supposedly open the door to the nurses office? Where is the nurses office in regard to the rest of the layout?

And boy, what a "heroic" nurse; all those years of studying and training and practicing her chosen profession only to hide in a closet for four hours when she could have taken a chance and left her safe little closet and tried to save one poor helpless child. She should be ashamed of herself or have shown some bit of remorse in her interview with George Streptococis about not even trying but did she? Hell no! If my kid went to the new Sandy Hook school I wouldn't! Let her within a hundred yards of my kid. But, as we all know, the people of Sandy Hook react a little different than most.
 Quoting: Emlapal 30657134


Nurses arent combat medics, nor are they expected to be.

Her hiding for that long is odd though.
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Korean man,

I see you are the Sandy Hook shill designate this month.

You try to put words in my mouth.

I simply point out conflicting details in report after report from local media.

You think Lanza squeezed off 152 rounds in 5 minutes? Changing clips often? Hitting 28 and killing 26?

Not likely.

Of course, surveillance video would put all the speculation to rest, wouldn't it??
 Quoting: G-Man 30612118


Yes I can do that many rounds that quick against easy targets, and I could do it easily.

I can shoot 30 rounds in under 10 seconds just firing. I can get off 30 rounds accurately in about 20 seconds against several targets and then mag changes are 5 sec or less.

mag change-
shooting.... *empty mag*
-right index finger drops mag while left hand grabs fresh mag
-insert fresh mag with left hand, slap bottom, and hit bolt release to load fresh round into chamber
shoot

In 5 minutes, I could get easily get off 300 rounds against targets accurately, if I had the loaded mags on me. That would be doing 2 mags/minute. I could squeeze off a whole lot more than that if I wasnt being as accurate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35851256


ps. and Im only average. A god shooter could do even better. Theres plenty of vids on youtube of people shooting AR's with mag changes if anyone needs pruf.
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Korean poster,

It would have been quite loud, right? Firing 150+ rounds indoors? i would think the noise would reverberate throughout the school.

Odd that the article below mentions students in the building hearing the gunfire "over the intercom".

[link to www.ctpost.com]
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03/13/2013 07:19 PM
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At what point then did Lanza supposedly open the door to the nurses office? Where is the nurses office in regard to the rest of the layout?

And boy, what a "heroic" nurse; all those years of studying and training and practicing her chosen profession only to hide in a closet for four hours when she could have taken a chance and left her safe little closet and tried to save one poor helpless child. She should be ashamed of herself or have shown some bit of remorse in her interview with George Streptococis about not even trying but did she? Hell no! If my kid went to the new Sandy Hook school I wouldn't! Let her within a hundred yards of my kid. But, as we all know, the people of Sandy Hook react a little different than most.
 Quoting: Emlapal 30657134


Nurses arent combat medics, nor are they expected to be.

Her hiding for that long is odd though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35851256


Coward is the main word that comes to mind.
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I know it's been insinuated that Adam and Nancy spent lots of time at the range target shooting, but I have yet to see any confirmation Lanza visiting any firing ranges.
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I know it's been insinuated that Adam and Nancy spent lots of time at the range target shooting, but I have yet to see any confirmation Lanza visiting any firing ranges.
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And does it really make much sense that a mother worried about the mental state of her child would bring that child to a firing range to practice shooting guns at targets? And allow him to lock himself up in a basement with blacked out windows 24/7 to play violent video games? And keep guns in her home?
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[link to www.courant.com]

"Sources said that the two teachers who were injured were hit by ricochet bullets from that initial burst of gunfire. One teacher was in the meeting room with Hochsprung and Scherlach and was hit in the leg and crawled back into the room and called 911. The second teacher was closing the door to her classroom much farther down the hallway, where Lanza never went, when she was hit in the foot."

Hammond called 9-11?

Wasn't there another lady w/ the nurse who called 9-11? Any others?
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just tying up some loose ends I see

still waiting for those loose lips though, that's gonna be wild
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With regard to the 150+ rounds in 5 minutes:

This was a semi-automatic weapon, whiche means the trigger must be pulled for each shot. It's not like you pull once and a spray of bullets come out, unless fully automatic, or modified in some way. I would like to know if it was.

The key thing is the accuracy. 28 shot, 26 killed. 3+ shots per victim. One girl completely unscathed in a room where 17 others, kids and adults, all killed and shot multiple times. It's been said by Vance that Lanza had hundreds more unused rounds on him. Plus two hand guns.

That's a lot of bulk for the rail-thin Lanza.

At what firing range did he hone his skills?
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With regard to the 150+ rounds in 5 minutes:

This was a semi-automatic weapon, whiche means the trigger must be pulled for each shot. It's not like you pull once and a spray of bullets come out, unless fully automatic, or modified in some way. I would like to know if it was.

The key thing is the accuracy. 28 shot, 26 killed. 3+ shots per victim. One girl completely unscathed in a room where 17 others, kids and adults, all killed and shot multiple times. It's been said by Vance that Lanza had hundreds more unused rounds on him. Plus two hand guns.

That's a lot of bulk for the rail-thin Lanza.

At what firing range did he hone his skills?
 Quoting: G-Money 30612118


Yes, with my times I was referring to semi-auto mode also. I havent heard but I'm assuming he had semi-auto only.

As far as accuracy under fire that fast- Its not that hard to shoot an AR accurately and fast at a few meters. I havent heard what the firing distance was, but I bet its less than 3 meters for most victims. You can almost do that accurately without even aiming with an AR.
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One of the problems with citing unnamed sources, as the Courant does routinely, is that they can just make shit up and who's going to call them on it?
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Here ya go. 300 rounds from a semi-auto AR in a little over 2 minutes, using the sight.

[link to www.youtube.com]




Of course, Adam had to move into the office and then into classrooms and aim at different targets, which would have slowed him down a little.
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One of the problems with citing unnamed sources, as the Courant does routinely, is that they can just make shit up and who's going to call them on it?
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Thats true. This is one of those "sources close to the investigation" so it could be true or false, or even entrely fabricated
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Unbelievable..
[link to www.courant.com]

Among the details in the article:

-Lanza fired 152 rounds in less than 5 minutes

-Police found articles in his room about other mass murders. This one makes me laugh. Newspaper clippings? Who does that anymore? Oh yeah, crazy people. I love how he leaves behing the articles, yet destroys his hard drive. Ya.

-Finally get to hear about the OTHER WOUNDED ADULT (not Natalie Hammond) Not named, however.

-The blood covered girl from Rousseau's room? Ran out on her own accord, not escorted out by Officer Chapman as NY Times claims.
[link to www.nytimes.com]

-The number of kids hiding in Soto's closet has gone from 7 to 5.

Give the Courant article a read. See what other confounding discrepancies you find.
 Quoting: Glaaad-eee-ooo 30612118


Thanks for the article, G-Man.

"Sources said that the two teachers who were injured were hit by ricochet bullets from that initial burst of gunfire. One teacher was in the meeting room with Hochsprung and Scherlach and was hit in the leg and crawled back into the room and called 911. The second teacher was closing the door to her classroom much farther down the hallway, where Lanza never went, when she was hit in the foot."

The first teacher mentioned would have been Natalie Hammond. This DIRECTLY contradicts volunteer Red Cross worker Nancy Young, who said Hammond was shot 4 times on the left side of her body trying to block the door to the meeting room.
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One of the problems with citing unnamed sources, as the Courant does routinely, is that they can just make shit up and who's going to call them on it?
 Quoting: G-Man 30612118


Nobody will call them on it. ALL media deceives you daily. MOST media "stories" are FABRICATED. They create your reality for you, with their daily "circus".
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As for the Norway shooter allegation, I thought that Vance completely denied this when this was reported on CNN?
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States' Attorney says whitewash-- uh,I mean, final report, should be ready by June.
 Quoting: G-Man 30612118


Your Calling The Danbury State's Attorney Stephen Sedensky
a Liar.

How The Fuck can you use a computer for your investigation and Then come to these Outrageous conclusions??

Why Don't you just GO there and Do a thorough investigation,Ask The State Attorney for a Statement and report your findings??

Otherwise Your just making Shit up.



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Burst ~ Usually refers to select fire, I'm sure this is an innocent mistake and not an intentional misdirection...
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Unbelievable..
[link to www.courant.com]

Among the details in the article:

-Lanza fired 152 rounds in less than 5 minutes

-Police found articles in his room about other mass murders. This one makes me laugh. Newspaper clippings? Who does that anymore? Oh yeah, crazy people. I love how he leaves behing the articles, yet destroys his hard drive. Ya.

-Finally get to hear about the OTHER WOUNDED ADULT (not Natalie Hammond) Not named, however.

-The blood covered girl from Rousseau's room? Ran out on her own accord, not escorted out by Officer Chapman as NY Times claims.
[link to www.nytimes.com]

-The number of kids hiding in Soto's closet has gone from 7 to 5.

Give the Courant article a read. See what other confounding discrepancies you find.
 Quoting: Glaaad-eee-ooo 30612118


Just for the record, it was Officer Penna that escorted the bloody but uninjured child out of the school. We still have the problem of one media source contradicting another.
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"Some bullets struck three cars in the parking lot, and police originally investigated the theory that he was shooting at responding officers. They now believe that he was aiming at a teacher who was standing near the window."

[link to www.courant.com]
 Quoting: G-Money 30612118



What about the bullet that was shot from inside Rousseau's car?

Last Edited by Phylax on 03/13/2013 08:17 PM





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