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BS Smeller User ID: 17295613 United States 03/14/2013 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All these claims of timestamp manipulation, but the thread plays out as if from before the event took place... Where was it shown to be fabricated? Quoting: Propagandiated Do your own search through google using key words and the date filter, he seems to have been a huge poster over many sites over the years and yet has not posted about it anywhere else (you will find his ideas across the boards) I'm going with a hoax by that forum to get traffic. I'm going off them seeing his comment here and running with the hype behind the name This is most likely the case. If it is, it's pretty damn heiness. BKK ----------------------- "A God of the Gaps is assigned responsibility for what we do not yet understand." Carl Sagan |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19559955 United States 03/14/2013 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PAY ATTENTION GUYS... The link to the page was: showthread.php?3417-Obama-use-school-shooting-to-disarm-America. The "3417" is an id. The very first message thread however long ago was a number much smaller than that... For example the thread here: showthread.php?55-Welcome-to-Unforumzed!-Please-post-your-comments-or-questions-here Has an id of 55.... it was started on 06-15-2010, 12:27 PM Let's look at some more: [link to www.unforumzed.com] Has an id of 3312, started on 11-04-2012, 08:04 PM showthread.php?1895-The-All-Purpose-Bitch-About-Dots-Reputation-Points-Thread Han an id of 1895, started on 04-23-2011, 06:34 PM See the theme here?? The id of the thread increases as time increases... So lets again look at the original thread: showthread.php?3417-Obama-use-school-shooting-to-disarm-America. 3417 is the id... thus looking at the ids above it falls after 11-04-2012... This is all misconstrued... someone was trying to make a point that the dates could be altered, but thread ids, certainly can't... it is the unique identifier and anyone who knows databases knows that it can't be altered... so you ask how did I find this out?? I didn't! I read it on that site: drseussofporn: Yeah . . . there was some timestamp manipulation here. If you look at the thread, the ID is 3417. Around that time, all other thread IDs were in the low to mid 1000's. Nice try though. Ryan: Yeah, it was done to prove to a Sandy Hook truther here on our forum that not everything "timestamped" on the internet is accurate. Things can be manipulated. But I guess that was lost on some people... sorry to burst everyone's bubble... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6068558 United Kingdom 03/14/2013 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He has some CRAZY shit!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12187143 N.Korea provokes U.S.? (6/22/09) [link to pub8.bravenet.com] Great work AC. Your efforts are very much appreciated by the seekers of truth. Yep this could be the end game of what is currently transpiring in nk. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1465586 United States 03/14/2013 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PAY ATTENTION GUYS... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19559955 The link to the page was: showthread.php?3417-Obama-use-school-shooting-to-disarm-America. The "3417" is an id. The very first message thread however long ago was a number much smaller than that... For example the thread here: showthread.php?55-Welcome-to-Unforumzed!-Please-post-your-comments-or-questions-here Has an id of 55.... it was started on 06-15-2010, 12:27 PM Let's look at some more: [link to www.unforumzed.com] Has an id of 3312, started on 11-04-2012, 08:04 PM showthread.php?1895-The-All-Purpose-Bitch-About-Dots-Reputation-Points-Thread Han an id of 1895, started on 04-23-2011, 06:34 PM See the theme here?? The id of the thread increases as time increases... So lets again look at the original thread: showthread.php?3417-Obama-use-school-shooting-to-disarm-America. 3417 is the id... thus looking at the ids above it falls after 11-04-2012... This is all misconstrued... someone was trying to make a point that the dates could be altered, but thread ids, certainly can't... it is the unique identifier and anyone who knows databases knows that it can't be altered... so you ask how did I find this out?? I didn't! I read it on that site: drseussofporn: Yeah . . . there was some timestamp manipulation here. If you look at the thread, the ID is 3417. Around that time, all other thread IDs were in the low to mid 1000's. Nice try though. Ryan: Yeah, it was done to prove to a Sandy Hook truther here on our forum that not everything "timestamped" on the internet is accurate. Things can be manipulated. But I guess that was lost on some people... sorry to burst everyone's bubble... You're a little slow on the trigger pull, aren't ya fella? The date field of the post cannot be manipulated by the poster. Let me repeat myself --- the date field of a thread cannot be manipulated by the poster. Get it? Neither can the ID of a thread. Anyone who says it can be done then prove it here. So that leaves only one other option aside from it being real, and that is that the forum administrators (or whoever has access to the server) changed the date and manipulated that thread. I can believe that. But as Superbowl Dave points out, if they did this for traffic and attention then why shut their site down to new members? |
Daniel of the Rose User ID: 15114131 United States 03/14/2013 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Posted on a forum on 12-17-10: Quoting: mkj120 "In approximate 2 years from today there will be mass school shooting in Connecticut. A lone gunman will kill many children. That's a trick of propaganda. Step by step, they make it a totalitarian country. They have a false flag attack on December 2012 to justify their war on 2nd Amendment. The responsible gunowner is wronged as terrorist. The real mastermind of the shootings grins at the soap opera they directed. They treat you like fools. Do not have a logic confuse." SOURCE: [link to webcache.googleusercontent.com] Holy shit, that is pretty dead on. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19559955 United States 03/14/2013 01:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PAY ATTENTION GUYS... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19559955 The link to the page was: showthread.php?3417-Obama-use-school-shooting-to-disarm-America. The "3417" is an id. The very first message thread however long ago was a number much smaller than that... For example the thread here: showthread.php?55-Welcome-to-Unforumzed!-Please-post-your-comments-or-questions-here Has an id of 55.... it was started on 06-15-2010, 12:27 PM Let's look at some more: [link to www.unforumzed.com] Has an id of 3312, started on 11-04-2012, 08:04 PM showthread.php?1895-The-All-Purpose-Bitch-About-Dots-Reputation-Points-Thread Han an id of 1895, started on 04-23-2011, 06:34 PM See the theme here?? The id of the thread increases as time increases... So lets again look at the original thread: showthread.php?3417-Obama-use-school-shooting-to-disarm-America. 3417 is the id... thus looking at the ids above it falls after 11-04-2012... This is all misconstrued... someone was trying to make a point that the dates could be altered, but thread ids, certainly can't... it is the unique identifier and anyone who knows databases knows that it can't be altered... so you ask how did I find this out?? I didn't! I read it on that site: drseussofporn: Yeah . . . there was some timestamp manipulation here. If you look at the thread, the ID is 3417. Around that time, all other thread IDs were in the low to mid 1000's. Nice try though. Ryan: Yeah, it was done to prove to a Sandy Hook truther here on our forum that not everything "timestamped" on the internet is accurate. Things can be manipulated. But I guess that was lost on some people... sorry to burst everyone's bubble... You're a little slow on the trigger pull, aren't ya fella? The date field of the post cannot be manipulated by the poster. Let me repeat myself --- the date field of a thread cannot be manipulated by the poster. Get it? Neither can the ID of a thread. Anyone who says it can be done then prove it here. So that leaves only one other option aside from it being real, and that is that the forum administrators (or whoever has access to the server) changed the date and manipulated that thread. I can believe that. But as Superbowl Dave points out, if they did this for traffic and attention then why shut their site down to new members? Bro, no reason to sy "fella", we are having a civil conversation... I hope this is right, it would be amazing! However there is a huge problem here... I understand that a user can't change a date stamp, but an admin or whoever runs that site can, and the post from that guy Ryan on that site says,"Yeah, it was done to prove to a Sandy Hook truther here on our forum that not everything "timestamped" on the internet is accurate. Things can be manipulated. But I guess that was lost on some people..." The id of the thread makes no sense... you cannot explain and no one else here can explain how the id of that thread, 3417 is way way higher than all the posts from 2010 and in fact is in the range of all the posts from 2013! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34964855 Canada 03/14/2013 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Joan Heffington is kathaksung, wants to be governor of Kansas Quoting: DMTHC UNFORUMZED [link to webcache.googleusercontent.com] This thread is also from 2010... so are the "debunkers" claiming that this thread was manipulated as well? Is everything which pokes holes in their view of the world just being "manipulated"? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1465586 United States 03/14/2013 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But how do you account for the Google timestamp of when the page was indexed on Dec 17, 2010? [link to www.google.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19559955 United States 03/14/2013 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PAY ATTENTION GUYS... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19559955 The link to the page was: showthread.php?3417-Obama-use-school-shooting-to-disarm-America. The "3417" is an id. The very first message thread however long ago was a number much smaller than that... For example the thread here: showthread.php?55-Welcome-to-Unforumzed!-Please-post-your-comments-or-questions-here Has an id of 55.... it was started on 06-15-2010, 12:27 PM Let's look at some more: [link to www.unforumzed.com] Has an id of 3312, started on 11-04-2012, 08:04 PM showthread.php?1895-The-All-Purpose-Bitch-About-Dots-Reputation-Points-Thread Han an id of 1895, started on 04-23-2011, 06:34 PM See the theme here?? The id of the thread increases as time increases... So lets again look at the original thread: showthread.php?3417-Obama-use-school-shooting-to-disarm-America. 3417 is the id... thus looking at the ids above it falls after 11-04-2012... This is all misconstrued... someone was trying to make a point that the dates could be altered, but thread ids, certainly can't... it is the unique identifier and anyone who knows databases knows that it can't be altered... so you ask how did I find this out?? I didn't! I read it on that site: drseussofporn: Yeah . . . there was some timestamp manipulation here. If you look at the thread, the ID is 3417. Around that time, all other thread IDs were in the low to mid 1000's. Nice try though. Ryan: Yeah, it was done to prove to a Sandy Hook truther here on our forum that not everything "timestamped" on the internet is accurate. Things can be manipulated. But I guess that was lost on some people... sorry to burst everyone's bubble... You're a little slow on the trigger pull, aren't ya fella? The date field of the post cannot be manipulated by the poster. Let me repeat myself --- the date field of a thread cannot be manipulated by the poster. Get it? Neither can the ID of a thread. Anyone who says it can be done then prove it here. So that leaves only one other option aside from it being real, and that is that the forum administrators (or whoever has access to the server) changed the date and manipulated that thread. I can believe that. But as Superbowl Dave points out, if they did this for traffic and attention then why shut their site down to new members? Well that's what it's implying... The forum administrator would have had to have created this thread and changed the date and time AND made up a bunch of replies to it with (real) usernames from real users. This falls squarely on the forum making this up. If they made it up: 1) Obviously it wasn't done to drive traffic, because they're trying to stop traffic/hide the thread. 2) It may have been done to prove a point (threads can be manipulated -- but I'm not sure which thread this refers to? Maybe there was some discussion and a mod got irritated and decided to created a faux thread?) 3) They could have made a lot more effort to make the prediction seem more accurate, such as using an exact date and going into more details. They didn't bother at all with that. They really could have embellished and had some fun, but instead they posted something that sounds exceedingly plausible. 4) Posting a fake thread about a sensitive subject like this and then NOT admitting to it or admitting to it and saying you were trying to make a point, all of that now calls into question the forum and its legitimacy. I agree with you... it seems like #2 from your list but your questions are valid... was the post totally fabricated? was it a true post and only the dates were modified?? Its just weird, but I am fairly certain that exact page of posts wasn't from Dec 2010... I am pissed off cause at first I was thoroughly astonished... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1465586 United States 03/14/2013 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bro, no reason to sy "fella", we are having a civil conversation... I hope this is right, it would be amazing! However there is a huge problem here... I understand that a user can't change a date stamp, but an admin or whoever runs that site can, and the post from that guy Ryan on that site says,"Yeah, it was done to prove to a Sandy Hook truther here on our forum that not everything "timestamped" on the internet is accurate. Things can be manipulated. But I guess that was lost on some people..." The id of the thread makes no sense... you cannot explain and no one else here can explain how the id of that thread, 3417 is way way higher than all the posts from 2010 and in fact is in the range of all the posts from 2013! Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. So the thread was manipulated to show how thread timestamps can be manipulated OR that the Google search timestamp can be manipulated? That's where I'm unsure. I don't know how you'd alter a Google timestamp even if the date on the thread is Dec 17, 2010. I posted articles with one date and then they get indexed a few days later and the timestamp is on the date they were indexed, not the date of the article. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1465586 United States 03/14/2013 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But how do you account for the Google timestamp of when the page was indexed on Dec 17, 2010? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465586 [link to www.google.com (secure)] It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Mar 13, 2013 23:31:34 GMT Still not proof. Wish it was. No in the link I gave. That is a search for that thread and it comes up with a Google timestamp of Dec 17, 2010. |
thefightingillini User ID: 11883945 United States 03/14/2013 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But yeah, I agree ... the thread ID is a problem. A big one. Quoting: Super Bowl Dave Nonetheless, we've got a guy named katsung posting all sorts of fascinating stuff over the past ten years. people dont realize that when you move a posted thread to a different part of a forum, it generates a new server entry identification. licking my brain in complete silence |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1465586 United States 03/14/2013 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465586 So the thread was manipulated to show how thread timestamps can be manipulated OR that the Google search timestamp can be manipulated? That's where I'm unsure. I don't know how you'd alter a Google timestamp even if the date on the thread is Dec 17, 2010. I posted articles with one date and then they get indexed a few days later and the timestamp is on the date they were indexed, not the date of the article. What google timestamp are you referring? All it ever shows is the exact date/moment you click and look at it. You can post something to web that says "5/10/1981" and google will cause that date to show up in the results, just as this thread shows 12/17/10. That's my point. The thread on that forum with an ID of 3417, which is supposedly recent, was indexed by Google on Dec 17, 2010 - the same date as the date in the postings. |
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Holldoll User ID: 35666578 United States 03/14/2013 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's very strange to me that all of the sudden there are claims to this "timestamp manipulation"..which never seemed to be an issue before. Are people really that bored to where they would go about changing times, to try and fool people? The comments below the forum are also a bit strange. I don't know, it doesn't particularly interest me, but it is a bit odd that I've never heard of timestamp manipulation ever before until this happened. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23956419 United Kingdom 03/14/2013 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | all the way back to thread 3399 is private Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23956419 thread 3398 - 11th Jan 2013 thread 3417 - **OUR THREAD** private thread 3418 - 16th January 2013 so thread id's 3399 through 3417 are all private. hmmmm So it was made (or moved) two months ago. That's a setback. If the forum ID corresponded to threads made yesterday, that would be a strong indication it was an old thread, from 2010, with an old forum ID, but was then moved due to the 4chan bomb, and thus a new ID was created. It was moved to private 2 months ago in january between 9th and 16th jan. That could very well mean that the thread was bought to the attention of the MOD at this time who made the thread private. Just because someone stumbled on it yesterday does not alter anything. i hope you understand the gist of what i am saying. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32915728 United States 03/14/2013 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Timestamp manipulation must happen admin side of the server, or by being hacked. One cannot just "manipulate" whatever they choose. Timestamp manipulation is just another term to throw off the sheeple, as they have NO CLUE how computers/servers/forums/etc work. Therefore, they won't question it either... If a normal user can just get into Admin controls and "manipulate" the time, then somebody, please, show us an example. This has never, ever, ever, ever been talked about until people started to question that Victoria Soto page over on the facebook. Never. It's just a lame excuse for people when they get backed into a corner with their beliefs of being wrong. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23956419 United Kingdom 03/14/2013 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It was moved to private 2 months ago in january between 9th and 16th jan. That could very well mean that the thread was bought to the attention of the MOD at this time who made the thread private. Just because someone stumbled on it yesterday does not alter anything. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23956419 i hope you understand the gist of what i am saying. I know what you're saying. The forum ID being so recent is not necessarily any indication this is a fake. It's clear this thing has been moved around a bit, and in doing so, a new ID was created each time. I'm not sure what happened on 4chan, but I'd like to know how this was found out if it was private. Who first posted it and made a fuss about it, etc. maybe one of the original posters in the thread remembered something? is there any way to contact any of them? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 35964069 United States 03/14/2013 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Skull and Bones connected to Sandy Hooked and much more at: [link to douseewhateyec.blogspot.com] Posted on a forum on 12-17-10: Quoting: mkj120 "In approximate 2 years from today there will be mass school shooting in Connecticut. A lone gunman will kill many children. That's a trick of propaganda. Step by step, they make it a totalitarian country. They have a false flag attack on December 2012 to justify their war on 2nd Amendment. The responsible gunowner is wronged as terrorist. The real mastermind of the shootings grins at the soap opera they directed. They treat you like fools. Do not have a logic confuse." SOURCE: [link to webcache.googleusercontent.com] |
INK3 User ID: 36090622 United States 03/14/2013 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One thing that I noticed: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28534323 The link provided is a google cache which is a "snapshot" of the page at the desired date, correct? Well if you scroll down to the bottom of the page there is a poster named Ryan who's avatar is a picture of the "Grumpy Cat" meme. For those who don't know, pictures of this Grumpy Cat were not uploaded until September of 2012. The date of Ryan's post was in 2011. Clearly there has been some sort of manipulation here. See for yourself: [link to knowyourmeme.com] The avatar will change to whatever the user chooses no matter how old the posts are. It certainly does here. "When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing, When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing" page7 |
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