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Sandy Hook: Ambulances, Patients & Hospitals

 
Zephhyr
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What ambulances actually transported patients, and to which hospitals?

In another thread we were wondering which ambulance may have managed to get on-site before dispatch reiterated that ambulances were to remain at the fire house.

We had guessed A2 may have managed to get into the parking lot, since that unit reported it was entering the scene at the request of police.

This Newstimes article seems to corroborate that scenario, and matches the police audio timeline of events.

[link to www.newstimes.com]

Article: "Two state cops are frantically waving Dahlmeyer and the ambulance crew toward the school. They pull into the school parking lot."
Audio: 09:57:43 “A2 is proceeding to the scene on the request of police department.”

(Per the article, an injured child is now brought to A2 by a police officer.)

Article: "[Dahlmeyer] calls dispatch. 'The state police have asked me to call you and they want you to send everything.'"
Audio 10:02:58 AM Female: “We asked, 'Do you need four or five ambulances?' and they said call for everything.”

Article: "The ambulance speeds off to Danbury Hospital."
Audio: 10:08:27 AM "A2 is transporting one patient to Danbury Hospital.”

Note: This article mentions that police are waiting at Danbury hospital when the ambulance arrives. I'm not sure this jives with the police audio--will try to find out.
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One thing that doesn't jive, for sure, though, is that both the officer and EMT quoted in the article refers to the girl's "wound."

"The police officer climbs into the ambulance and lays the child on it. "You need to hold here," the officer tells her, showing her a wound...Dahlmeyer puts pressure on the girls' wound. She realizes the child has been shot...The crew administers trauma care to make sure the child is breathing and she has circulation."

Is any of this consistent with 3-11 gunshot wounds (including the bit about breathing/circulation? I thought someone said here that CPR would not be done in this case, but I could be wrong).
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Some Victims Brought To Danbury Hospital

"Three gunshot victims were brought in, 2 were children, 1 dead now"


Three Shooting Victims to Danbury Hospital three victums two dead

from comment:
Danbury had two Helicopters: Life Star 1 and 2, why didn't they send them?

And later a video:
www.9news.com/video/2036541913001/1/Danbury-Hospital-press-c​onference-on-Newtown-shootings [link to www.9news.com]
"No questions about current patients and numbers were answered because of ongoing investigation"

healthcarecommunication.com/Main/Articles/_Danbury_Hospital_r​esponds_to_school_shooting_via_10093.aspx [link to www.healthcarecommunication.com]
Three people from the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newton, Conn., were transported to Danbury Hospital.

Search for yourself:
google.de/search?q=danbury+hospital+masonicare [link to www.google.de (secure)]
google.com/search?q=danbury+hospital+masonic [link to www.google.com (secure)]
google.com/search?q=danbury+hospital+sandy+hook [link to www.google.com (secure)]

NOTE: Danbury Hospital is driven by freemason funded MASONICARE, the second laergest employer in Newtown!

Newtown, CON Major Employer ? Freemason Funded Masonicare, Knights of the Templar Hall Run the Community
Thread: Newtown, CON Major Employer ? Freemason Funded Masonicare, Knights of the Templar Hall Run the Community

Masonicare; 22 Masonic Ave, Wallingford, CT 06492, USA;-72.836496,41.462812
Lockwood Lodge, Masonicare; 139 Toddy Hill Road,Newtown,CT;

[link to www.masonicare.org]
Masonicare; 139 Toddy Hill Rd Sandy Hook, CT 06482
[link to www.ourparents.com (secure)]
"Masonicare At Newtown, located in Sandy Hook, Connecticut provides the following services: Nursing Home, Assisted Living, and Alzheimer's Care. It accepts the following payment methods: Medicare and Medicaid. Masonicare At Newtown has an average user review rating of 2 stars. Masonicare At Newtown has a very good hospital, Danbury Hospital, located nearby, which scored a 93 out of 100 in its most recent Medicare review. The Masonicare At Newtown's nearest hospital is 9 miles away. The zipcode (00000) in Connecticut, where Masonicare At Newtown is located, has an above average safety rating based on recent crime statistics. A more detailed description of the types of care for Masonicare At Newtown can be found here."

Financial Report Offers Peek at Town Data
2011-12-17
[link to newtown.patch.com]
Top employers in town and number of employees working there:
1. Board of Education: 796
2. Masonicare of Newtown: 315
3. State Department of Corrections (Garner): 294
Zephyr
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Thank you very much for the above - really appreciate it.

There is something in the audio about a med-flight of some kind; sounded to me like it was going to take too long though. They said something to the effect of, "It'll be about 45 to air after [Smith] gets to the hangar."

That's just a very loose paraphrase - I'll find the real deal.
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Another strange coincidence: Scott Getzinger died at Danbury Hosital on 2012-04-07!

Scott Getzinger from Sandy Hook was the prop manager for the Bat Man Dark Knight Rises film where 'Sandy Hook' was quoted in the map

google.de/search?q=danbury+hospital+getzinger [link to www.google.de (secure)]
Apr 7, 2012 – Getzinger suffered multiple broken bones, but was described as conscious and alert ... III" and "The Dark Knight Rises," died at Stamford Hospital after sustaining severe injuries.
We lost our beloved Scott Getzinger, age 46, on Saturday, April 7, suddenly in a car
Scott Getzinger: We lost our beloved Scott Getzinger, age 46, on Saturday, April 7, suddenly in a car accident. Scott leaves behind his wife, Susan McGuin ness; his daughters, Emilia, 11, and Kyle, 7, and his son, Seamus, 4. Also, his mother and father,... More
Published in Connecticut Post on April 10, 2012

Thread: Newton Mother Exposes Sandy Hook (Page 2)
Susan is the wife of the prop manager for the Bat Man Dark Knight Rises film, which does not mean that he put Sandy Hook on that prop map as a target. He inventoried the props and supplied them when needed. Getzinger did not necessarily create the props.
Most peculiar is that Getzinger died at the Danbury Hospital where he was taken from a reported "auto" accident April, 2011 because he has sustained broken bones. He was in "stable" condition and after he arrived at the hospital, Getzinger died.
Do you know who was working at Danbury Hospital at that time as a Physicians Assistant? Robby Parker. More and more it makes Robbie Parker seem to be CIA, as some have suggested. Parker's education has been reported to be as an engineer. A Physicians Assistant requires special medical training, and such training and education has not been found to be in Parker's background.
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yes.. something doesnt fit with wounded.

the last stepline from courant say: 2 adults wounded.. + the 2 children who die at hospital = 4.

and no 4 ambulances in radio record.
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Law enforcement confirmed in a press briefing that 18 children died at the scene, 2 children were pronounced dead at the hospital, and 6 adults were pronounced dead at the scene. They confirmed that 1 person was injured and survived. Lieutenant Paul Vance said that first responders received crisis counseling due to the gruesome nature of the crime scene.

[link to www.thejanedough.com]
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yes.. something doesnt fit with wounded.

the last stepline from courant say: 2 adults wounded.. + the 2 children who die at hospital = 4.

and no 4 ambulances in radio record.
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Ambulance to hospital uses a different channel.
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yes.. something doesnt fit with wounded.

the last stepline from courant say: 2 adults wounded.. + the 2 children who die at hospital = 4.

and no 4 ambulances in radio record.
 Quoting: Fred 31413939


Ambulance to hospital uses a different channel.
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oh..you are still here? always flooder in chief?

do you think i dont know this?
do you think that we didnt have listen EMS record too?

have you listen you, just one?


i told you i will not speak to you anymore.

please stop your provocation.
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Another strange coincidence: Scott Getzinger died at Danbury Hosital on 2012-04-07!

Scott Getzinger from Sandy Hook was the prop manager for the Bat Man Dark Knight Rises film where 'Sandy Hook' was quoted in the map

google.de/search?q=danbury+hospital+getzinger [link to www.google.de (secure)]
Apr 7, 2012 – Getzinger suffered multiple broken bones, but was described as conscious and alert ... III" and "The Dark Knight Rises," died at Stamford Hospital after sustaining severe injuries.
We lost our beloved Scott Getzinger, age 46, on Saturday, April 7, suddenly in a car
Scott Getzinger: We lost our beloved Scott Getzinger, age 46, on Saturday, April 7, suddenly in a car accident. Scott leaves behind his wife, Susan McGuin ness; his daughters, Emilia, 11, and Kyle, 7, and his son, Seamus, 4. Also, his mother and father,... More
Published in Connecticut Post on April 10, 2012

Thread: Newton Mother Exposes Sandy Hook (Page 2)
Susan is the wife of the prop manager for the Bat Man Dark Knight Rises film, which does not mean that he put Sandy Hook on that prop map as a target. He inventoried the props and supplied them when needed. Getzinger did not necessarily create the props.
Most peculiar is that Getzinger died at the Danbury Hospital where he was taken from a reported "auto" accident April, 2011 because he has sustained broken bones. He was in "stable" condition and after he arrived at the hospital, Getzinger died.
Do you know who was working at Danbury Hospital at that time as a Physicians Assistant? Robby Parker. More and more it makes Robbie Parker seem to be CIA, as some have suggested. Parker's education has been reported to be as an engineer. A Physicians Assistant requires special medical training, and such training and education has not been found to be in Parker's background.

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Sorry, a mistake by me, he died at STAMFORD HOSPITAL
But he had no lifethreatening injuries:
[link to www.stamfordadvocate.com]
STAMFORD -- A 46-year-old Newtown man who worked behind the scenes on numerous blockbuster films was killed in a head-on accident on the Merritt Parkway Friday evening.
Scott Getzinger, a property master who provided props for more than 25 films, including "Spider-Man," "Independence Day," "The Truman Show" and the upcoming "Men in Black III" and "The Dark Knight Rises," died at Stamford Hospital after sustaining severe injuries.
Getzinger suffered multiple broken bones, but was described as conscious and alert after being cut out of the 2002 Ford F-150 pickup truck he was driving. State police initially characterized his injuries as non-life threatening.
The accident was reported at 7:02 p.m. when a 1999 Lexus RX300 driven by Alexandra Orteig, 18, of New Canaan lost control while traveling south on the parkway near Exit 36 and spun around, striking the center median guardrail and crossing over the highway into the northbound lanes.
Getzinger was driving northbound in the right-hand lane when the Lexus SUV slammed head-on crushing the front-end of his truck.
Orteig and a 17-year-old passenger also from New Canaan were also taken to Stamford Hospital. Orteig was admitted overnight and released Saturday. The passenger was not admitted to the hospital.
The accident shut down both sides of the parkway in Stamford for about 90 minutes as volunteer firefighters from Turn of River Fire Department worked to cut Getzinger out of the truck and paramedics attended to all three victims.
State police said the accident is under investigation and no charges have been filed.
Getzinger's family declined to comment.



Another strange coincidence: Scott Getzinger died at Danbury Hosital on 2012-04-07!

Scott Getzinger from Sandy Hook was the prop manager for the Bat Man Dark Knight Rises film where 'Sandy Hook' was quoted in the map

google.de/search?q=danbury+hospital+getzinger [link to www.google.de (secure)]
Apr 7, 2012 – Getzinger suffered multiple broken bones, but was described as conscious and alert ... III" and "The Dark Knight Rises," died at Stamford Hospital after sustaining severe injuries.
We lost our beloved Scott Getzinger, age 46, on Saturday, April 7, suddenly in a car
Scott Getzinger: We lost our beloved Scott Getzinger, age 46, on Saturday, April 7, suddenly in a car accident. Scott leaves behind his wife, Susan McGuin ness; his daughters, Emilia, 11, and Kyle, 7, and his son, Seamus, 4. Also, his mother and father,... More
Published in Connecticut Post on April 10, 2012

Thread: Newton Mother Exposes Sandy Hook (Page 2)
Susan is the wife of the prop manager for the Bat Man Dark Knight Rises film, which does not mean that he put Sandy Hook on that prop map as a target. He inventoried the props and supplied them when needed. Getzinger did not necessarily create the props.
Most peculiar is that Getzinger died at the Danbury Hospital where he was taken from a reported "auto" accident April, 2011 because he has sustained broken bones. He was in "stable" condition and after he arrived at the hospital, Getzinger died.
Do you know who was working at Danbury Hospital at that time as a Physicians Assistant? Robby Parker. More and more it makes Robbie Parker seem to be CIA, as some have suggested. Parker's education has been reported to be as an engineer. A Physicians Assistant requires special medical training, and such training and education has not been found to be in Parker's background.

 Quoting: emanuelG

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yes.. something doesnt fit with wounded.

the last stepline from courant say: 2 adults wounded.. + the 2 children who die at hospital = 4.

and no 4 ambulances in radio record.
 Quoting: Fred 31413939


Ambulance to hospital uses a different channel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35851256


oh..you are still here? always flooder in chief?

do you think i dont know this?
do you think that we didnt have listen EMS record too?

have you listen you, just one?


i told you i will not speak to you anymore.

please stop your provocation.
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Its highly unikely you had the EMS to hospital radio traffic because its encrypted and unavailable to scanner users. And the Ambulance crews were already there at the school and the firehouse so there may not have been a radio call on a patient taken to a hospital if requested for some reason to not use regular comm channels on pediatrics. So, yes, I dont think you know this!
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..

Its highly unikely you had the EMS to hospital radio traffic because its encrypted and unavailable to scanner users. And the Ambulance crews were already there at the school and the firehouse so there may not have been a radio call on a patient taken to a hospital if requested for some reason to not use regular comm channels on pediatrics. So, yes, I dont think you know this!
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i will not talk with you, or you need to give your references and sources.

you ignore so much point of Sandy Hook
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yes.. something doesnt fit with wounded.

the last stepline from courant say: 2 adults wounded.. + the 2 children who die at hospital = 4.

and no 4 ambulances in radio record.
 Quoting: Fred 31413939


Ambulance to hospital uses a different channel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35851256


oh..you are still here? always flooder in chief?

do you think i dont know this?
do you think that we didnt have listen EMS record too?

have you listen you, just one?


i told you i will not speak to you anymore.

please stop your provocation.
 Quoting: Fred 31413939


Its highly unikely you had the EMS to hospital radio traffic because its encrypted and unavailable to scanner users. And the Ambulance crews were already there at the school and the firehouse so there may not have been a radio call on a patient taken to a hospital if requested for some reason to not use regular comm channels on pediatrics. So, yes, I dont think you know this!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35851256


EMS to hospital isn't encrypted in my city..are you saying it is for sure in Fairfield County?
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...

EMS to hospital isn't encrypted in my city..are you saying it is for sure in Fairfield County?
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you dont recognise our korean friend?

just ignore his posts, he is totally discredited.
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The Sandy Hook Actors exposed:


[link to postimage.org]
s14.directupload.net/images/130302/9xhggixo.jpg
[link to s14.directupload.net]

s7.directupload.net/images/130304/kuw9ss32.jpg

..a lot of coincidences right?
Thread: Sandy Hook Hoax ->Another Reference in Movie with Daniel Craig / Dream House
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The Sandy Hook Actors exposed:


[link to postimage.org]
s14.directupload.net/images/130302/9xhggixo.jpg
[link to s14.directupload.net]

s7.directupload.net/images/130304/kuw9ss32.jpg

..a lot of coincidences right?
Thread: Sandy Hook Hoax ->Another Reference in Movie with Daniel Craig / Dream House
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summary: More disinformation and misinformation to send us on on wild goose chase / dead end run and to undermine our quest for truth.


black propaganda and disinformation basic primers:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The problem with the approach of answering repeated questions and requests for this and that and the other is that it doesnt solve anything and it doesnt convince those who are unconvincible.


The irrationally paranoid person and the hyper-inquisitive weed-smoker have an infinite number of questions, and no matter how much you answer for them, they will think up ten more.

You cannot appease the unappeasable. Answering one question will lead to ten in its place for these type of people.


'How many jelly beans were in the jar on the teacher's desk? huh? huh? answer that!
These are such pertinent questions! We have struck at the heart of the matter now! We will find all the questions for these answers!'




You cannot answer enough questions to satisfy the type of people who have infinite questions and unbreakable irrational distrust.
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Most of your questions can be answered by spending a bit of time googling the incident and thinking rationally and neutrally, although this won't likely happen, because the search results would only counter your assertions, whatever they may be.

Also, it doesn't seem like having those answers would be of any particular use now, except to conspiracy theorists trying to piece together something out of nothing. People such as yourself are rarely if ever genuinely interested in the answers to any of the above questions anyway, unless those answers happen to gel with the improbable version of what you've already decided has happened.

Otherwise, the real intent in questioning such details is much more commonly to rock the boat and invite controversy, because this is what such people live for and on. For some of those it is intentional black propaganda disinformation. For others it is nothing more than excessive and irrational paranoia.

Regrettably, suggesting that one do some research before spewing forth nonsense is ineffective with this lot, as all reputable sources of information are immediately rejected as being part of the massive coverup that doesn't actually exist.

And thus, we have a wonderful vicious loop, driven by misinformation and disinformation, ignorance, irrational paranoia, and a healthy dose of intentional deception.
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^
Summary: you are obviously a shill cause everyone can see that these are no coincidences:



The Sandy Hook Actors exposed:


[link to postimage.org]

[link to s14.directupload.net]
[link to s14.directupload.net]

[link to s7.directupload.net]

..a lot of coincidences right?
Thread: Sandy Hook Hoax ->Another Reference in Movie with Daniel Craig / Dream House
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you are everywhere lol. Everywhere copy/paste quotes from the shill/cointel pro handbook.

Friends wherever this guy pops up "debunking" you are probably on the right way.



The Sandy Hook Actors exposed:


[link to postimage.org]

[link to s14.directupload.net]
[link to s14.directupload.net]

[link to s7.directupload.net]

..a lot of coincidences right?
Thread: Sandy Hook Hoax ->Another Reference in Movie with Daniel Craig / Dream House
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Zephyr,

One thing I have wondered about is how the children taken to the hospital were identified? Little children do not have identification and I have never heard that they gave descriptions to the authorties at the firehouse so that parents could be notified. Did they wait until all the other children were identified by photographs and by the process of elimination decide whose children had been at the hospital since 10am?
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...

This Newstimes article seems to corroborate that scenario, and matches the police audio timeline of events.

[link to www.newstimes.com]

...
 Quoting: Zephhyr 36089857


Officers are trained to check rooms to make sure a shooter is not lurking, so Chapman and Smith do not linger in rooms where there are victims. They are hunting for the shooter.


ha? they didnt check room with victims?
Adam was not in Soto class?
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Most of your questions can be answered by spending a bit of time googling the incident and thinking rationally and neutrally, although this won't likely happen, because the search results would only counter your assertions, whatever they may be.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35851256


I must disagree with this. Most of the information in the police audio, for example, reveals details which appear nowhere else and are not googleable.

Something as simple as the number of victim families is reflected differently in the audio record than in the written record (such as it is).

We don't yet have even a tenth of the data available from Sandy Hook that we will have in the coming months and years.
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Zephyr,

One thing I have wondered about is how the children taken to the hospital were identified? Little children do not have identification and I have never heard that they gave descriptions to the authorties at the firehouse so that parents could be notified. Did they wait until all the other children were identified by photographs and by the process of elimination decide whose children had been at the hospital since 10am?
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hehe.. good question.
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Most of your questions can be answered by spending a bit of time googling the incident and thinking rationally and neutrally, although this won't likely happen, because the search results would only counter your assertions, whatever they may be.

Also, it doesn't seem like having those answers would be of any particular use now, except to conspiracy theorists trying to piece together something out of nothing. People such as yourself are rarely if ever genuinely interested in the answers to any of the above questions anyway, unless those answers happen to gel with the improbable version of what you've already decided has happened.

Otherwise, the real intent in questioning such details is much more commonly to rock the boat and invite controversy, because this is what such people live for and on. For some of those it is intentional black propaganda disinformation. For others it is nothing more than excessive and irrational paranoia.

Regrettably, suggesting that one do some research before spewing forth nonsense is ineffective with this lot, as all reputable sources of information are immediately rejected as being part of the massive coverup that doesn't actually exist.

And thus, we have a wonderful vicious loop, driven by misinformation and disinformation, ignorance, irrational paranoia, and a healthy dose of intentional deception.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35851256


Googling shows that Connecticut MCI protocol required Newtown police to immediately declare an MCI, establish Unified Command, maintain the integrity of the ambulance route, and communicate with EMS command to ensure that ambulances adhere to MCI protocol i.e. don't roll with a single patient when they've just been told more patients are coming out.





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