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Anyone had luck changing their beliefs? If yes, what alterations in your reality resulted?

 
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Anyone had luck changing their beliefs? If yes, what alterations in your reality resulted?
Recently, I have become aware of the idea that our beliefs form our reality. By changing our beliefs we can, supposedly, alter our reality. I am in the very beginning process of attempting, earnestly, to do this. It would be very beneficial for me to hear from you about this. Have you been able to change your beliefs? Did you get the results expected?

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Yep, I quit believing in fairytales and realized it was all up to me to make my life better. Life got better.
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Yep, I quit believing in fairytales and realized it was all up to me to make my life better. Life got better.
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Sounds good! Anyone else care to share their struggles overcoming limiting beliefs?
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I've been reading The Nature of Personal Reality by Jane Roberts. It is very interesting and challenging reading. You have to have an open mind because Jane Roberts channeled the material. Here is an excerpt from a random site about Jane Roberts and beliefs:

Remember, you must always keep an open mind! As Seth says, "You form the fabric of your experience through your own beliefs and expectations. You take your beliefs about reality as truth, and often do not question them. They are not recognized as beliefs about reality, but instead considered characteristics of reality itself. Frequently such ideas appear indisputable, so a part of you that it does not occur to you to speculate about their validity. They become invisible assumptions, but they nevertheless color and form your personal experience. Some people, for example, do not question their religious beliefs but accept them as fact. Others find it comparatively easy to recognize such inner assumptions when they appear in a religious context, but are quite blind to them in other areas."

You must never forget what Seth says next, "Your conscious mind is always trying to give you a clear picture, but you often allow preconceived ideas to block out this intelligence"

[link to www.whatismetaphysics.com]

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I was born and raised protestant christian. By age 16 i began seeing and hearing cracks in the bibles stories, i guestioned our pastor to the point i was asked to leave that church at age 17, from there these feelings i dont see the real picture intensified. I left religion studied all religions came to realize they are all simular in that each faith believes there beliefs are the true beliefs, i believe. I nevet chastise or condem teligous folks, heck it isnt their faults they are stuck in anothers belief system, most people are happy believing in what is told to them.in a higher power, i stay away from religion im happier i think for myself and i believe we can and do make our own realities according to our innet strength
stop blamming, start doing something for yourself. whites wont always be here to support you.
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Sorry for the above jumbled reply, am using android, kinda difficult to proof read, will re reply when im on the PC
stop blamming, start doing something for yourself. whites wont always be here to support you.
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As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly. Psalm 26:11
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I used to be an agnostic, leaning atheist. Took some LSD and found Jesus... quite literally. Anyway, life before was pretty laid back, had a good job, was going to school, single, always had money to spend on cool stuff. Now its a struggle, living paycheck to paycheck, married, job outlook is uncertain, and somehow every spare penny parts ways and goes to those that have less food than I do. All in all, while life has gotten harder, it's also become more rewarding and more meaningful. I wouldn't trade anything for the life I'm living right now. That said, winning the lotto is always welcome, I've always wanted to retire early and have my own off the grid, self sustaining commune complete with hydroponic garden, chickens, fish pond, garage, recording studio and workshop... a man can dream...
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I used to be an agnostic, leaning atheist. Took some LSD and found Jesus... quite literally. Anyway, life before was pretty laid back, had a good job, was going to school, single, always had money to spend on cool stuff. Now its a struggle, living paycheck to paycheck, married, job outlook is uncertain, and somehow every spare penny parts ways and goes to those that have less food than I do. All in all, while life has gotten harder, it's also become more rewarding and more meaningful. I wouldn't trade anything for the life I'm living right now. That said, winning the lotto is always welcome, I've always wanted to retire early and have my own off the grid, self sustaining commune complete with hydroponic garden, chickens, fish pond, garage, recording studio and workshop... a man can dream...
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That is a good sign for it means you are being tested and if you endure, He will give you the crown of life. If anyone ever says life gets easier when they became a Christian, it is a good sign that they are not truly born-again.
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I used to be an agnostic, leaning atheist. Took some LSD and found Jesus... quite literally. Anyway, life before was pretty laid back, had a good job, was going to school, single, always had money to spend on cool stuff. Now its a struggle, living paycheck to paycheck, married, job outlook is uncertain, and somehow every spare penny parts ways and goes to those that have less food than I do. All in all, while life has gotten harder, it's also become more rewarding and more meaningful. I wouldn't trade anything for the life I'm living right now. That said, winning the lotto is always welcome, I've always wanted to retire early and have my own off the grid, self sustaining commune complete with hydroponic garden, chickens, fish pond, garage, recording studio and workshop... a man can dream...
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That is a good sign for it means you are being tested and if you endure, He will give you the crown of life. If anyone ever says life gets easier when they became a Christian, it is a good sign that they are not truly born-again.
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Indeed, Job's always been my favorite book in the bible, even before I came to Christ.
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I used to believe in childish fairy tales like Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Darwinism, etc., Then I grew up.
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I used to be an agnostic, leaning atheist. Took some LSD and found Jesus... quite literally. Anyway, life before was pretty laid back, had a good job, was going to school, single, always had money to spend on cool stuff. Now its a struggle, living paycheck to paycheck, married, job outlook is uncertain, and somehow every spare penny parts ways and goes to those that have less food than I do. All in all, while life has gotten harder, it's also become more rewarding and more meaningful. I wouldn't trade anything for the life I'm living right now. That said, winning the lotto is always welcome, I've always wanted to retire early and have my own off the grid, self sustaining commune complete with hydroponic garden, chickens, fish pond, garage, recording studio and workshop... a man can dream...
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That is a good sign for it means you are being tested and if you endure, He will give you the crown of life. If anyone ever says life gets easier when they became a Christian, it is a good sign that they are not truly born-again.
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Indeed, Job's always been my favorite book in the bible, even before I came to Christ.
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God bless and strengthen you! :)
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I used to be an agnostic, leaning atheist. Took some LSD and found Jesus... quite literally. Anyway, life before was pretty laid back, had a good job, was going to school, single, always had money to spend on cool stuff. Now its a struggle, living paycheck to paycheck, married, job outlook is uncertain, and somehow every spare penny parts ways and goes to those that have less food than I do. All in all, while life has gotten harder, it's also become more rewarding and more meaningful. I wouldn't trade anything for the life I'm living right now. That said, winning the lotto is always welcome, I've always wanted to retire early and have my own off the grid, self sustaining commune complete with hydroponic garden, chickens, fish pond, garage, recording studio and workshop... a man can dream...
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That is a good sign for it means you are being tested and if you endure, He will give you the crown of life. If anyone ever says life gets easier when they became a Christian, it is a good sign that they are not truly born-again.
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Indeed, Job's always been my favorite book in the bible, even before I came to Christ.
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God bless and strengthen you! :)
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And you as well.
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Jane Roberts is great, I grew up on that Seth stuff.
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I used to be an agnostic, leaning atheist. Took some LSD and found Jesus... quite literally. Anyway, life before was pretty laid back, had a good job, was going to school, single, always had money to spend on cool stuff. Now its a struggle, living paycheck to paycheck, married, job outlook is uncertain, and somehow every spare penny parts ways and goes to those that have less food than I do. All in all, while life has gotten harder, it's also become more rewarding and more meaningful. I wouldn't trade anything for the life I'm living right now. That said, winning the lotto is always welcome, I've always wanted to retire early and have my own off the grid, self sustaining commune complete with hydroponic garden, chickens, fish pond, garage, recording studio and workshop... a man can dream...
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That is a good sign for it means you are being tested and if you endure, He will give you the crown of life. If anyone ever says life gets easier when they became a Christian, it is a good sign that they are not truly born-again.
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This seems like an example of a belief. A limiting belief at that. These are the kind of beliefs that need to be examined. For example, spirituality and having money are incompatible, or that spirituality means deprivation. These are the kind of beliefs that do lead to that very experience as all beliefs lead to their fruition.
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I now believe I deserve money. That has changed. Do I have more money? no. s226banana2
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I used to believe in childish fairy tales like Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Darwinism, etc., Then I grew up.
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Interesting juxtaposition of tooth fairy and Darwin. They both are examples of beliefs. Beliefs about Darwinism like survival of the fittest and competition have been very damaging to our culture and individuals.
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I used to be an agnostic, leaning atheist. Took some LSD and found Jesus... quite literally. Anyway, life before was pretty laid back, had a good job, was going to school, single, always had money to spend on cool stuff. Now its a struggle, living paycheck to paycheck, married, job outlook is uncertain, and somehow every spare penny parts ways and goes to those that have less food than I do. All in all, while life has gotten harder, it's also become more rewarding and more meaningful. I wouldn't trade anything for the life I'm living right now. That said, winning the lotto is always welcome, I've always wanted to retire early and have my own off the grid, self sustaining commune complete with hydroponic garden, chickens, fish pond, garage, recording studio and workshop... a man can dream...
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Sounds Like Turning To Superstition Made Your Life Worse. This Is Actually More Good Evidence That Your Thoughts Create Reality. Tge More Muddled And Confused You Become The MoreDifficult Your Life Becomes.
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I used to be an agnostic, leaning atheist. Took some LSD and found Jesus... quite literally. Anyway, life before was pretty laid back, had a good job, was going to school, single, always had money to spend on cool stuff. Now its a struggle, living paycheck to paycheck, married, job outlook is uncertain, and somehow every spare penny parts ways and goes to those that have less food than I do. All in all, while life has gotten harder, it's also become more rewarding and more meaningful. I wouldn't trade anything for the life I'm living right now. That said, winning the lotto is always welcome, I've always wanted to retire early and have my own off the grid, self sustaining commune complete with hydroponic garden, chickens, fish pond, garage, recording studio and workshop... a man can dream...
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That is a good sign for it means you are being tested and if you endure, He will give you the crown of life. If anyone ever says life gets easier when they became a Christian, it is a good sign that they are not truly born-again.
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This seems like an example of a belief. A limiting belief at that. These are the kind of beliefs that need to be examined. For example, spirituality and having money are incompatible, or that spirituality means deprivation. These are the kind of beliefs that do lead to that very experience as all beliefs lead to their fruition.
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The ideas of being a spiritual person and having money are not mutually exclusive, however, a spiritual person typically does not place as much emphasis on having things rather than experiences, whereas a person chasing money focuses more on the philosophy of "he who dies with the most toys wins". It is not the belief that limits, the belief just gives strength when things get tough, it helps to remove the anxiety of trying to keep up with the jones'. I personally would rather die poor having lived a full, challenging life, than die rich never having truly known the value of work. But that's just me.
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I used to believe in childish fairy tales like Santa, the Tooth Fairy, Darwinism, etc., Then I grew up.
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Interesting juxtaposition of tooth fairy and Darwin. They both are examples of beliefs. Beliefs about Darwinism like survival of the fittest and competition have been very damaging to our culture and individuals.
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You cannot divorce philosophy from action, and the cruelty in slaughterhouses would not be perpetrated if it were not for distorted philosophies dealing with survival of the fittest on the one hand, and the egotistical assumption that God gave man animals to do with as man wished. -Jane Roberts, Seth
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I used to be an agnostic, leaning atheist. Took some LSD and found Jesus... quite literally. Anyway, life before was pretty laid back, had a good job, was going to school, single, always had money to spend on cool stuff. Now its a struggle, living paycheck to paycheck, married, job outlook is uncertain, and somehow every spare penny parts ways and goes to those that have less food than I do. All in all, while life has gotten harder, it's also become more rewarding and more meaningful. I wouldn't trade anything for the life I'm living right now. That said, winning the lotto is always welcome, I've always wanted to retire early and have my own off the grid, self sustaining commune complete with hydroponic garden, chickens, fish pond, garage, recording studio and workshop... a man can dream...
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Sounds Like Turning To Superstition Made Your Life Worse. This Is Actually More Good Evidence That Your Thoughts Create Reality. Tge More Muddled And Confused You Become The MoreDifficult Your Life Becomes.
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Not in the least, I have a wife that loves me, I am constantly learning how to make more with less and I am keeping a positive attitude throughout. We can all see areas in our lives that we would like to improve, however, accepting the good that is already there is much more difficult. However, to each their own.
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you can believe what ever you want you just can never believe it twice......
beliefs change naturally as evidence and facts destroy our beliefs.. "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." PK dick
And here we are staring at each other through an electronic............ error goto ram

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I now believe I deserve money. That has changed. Do I have more money? no. s226banana2
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One has to examine very closely one's beliefs. For example, if you believe that money is evil then it will not change your circumstances even though you say "I now believe I deserve money". The belief structure can be somewhat complicated. I suggest reading The Nature of Personal Reality if you want to really examine your beliefs. Also, their is a time lag between really changing one's beliefs and the physical experience of having more money. Of course it then requires action in line with your changed beliefs. Belief structures may or may not be difficult to change.
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beliefs change naturally as evidence and facts destroy our beliefs.. "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." PK dick
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I like this, it's true.
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Yes

when I left Christianity

and it has been truly wonderful and eye opening

I no longer fear death, have a deeper relationship with Creator and am at peace and in love with life
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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I used to be an agnostic, leaning atheist. Took some LSD and found Jesus... quite literally. Anyway, life before was pretty laid back, had a good job, was going to school, single, always had money to spend on cool stuff. Now its a struggle, living paycheck to paycheck, married, job outlook is uncertain, and somehow every spare penny parts ways and goes to those that have less food than I do. All in all, while life has gotten harder, it's also become more rewarding and more meaningful. I wouldn't trade anything for the life I'm living right now. That said, winning the lotto is always welcome, I've always wanted to retire early and have my own off the grid, self sustaining commune complete with hydroponic garden, chickens, fish pond, garage, recording studio and workshop... a man can dream...
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That is a good sign for it means you are being tested and if you endure, He will give you the crown of life. If anyone ever says life gets easier when they became a Christian, it is a good sign that they are not truly born-again.
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This seems like an example of a belief. A limiting belief at that. These are the kind of beliefs that need to be examined. For example, spirituality and having money are incompatible, or that spirituality means deprivation. These are the kind of beliefs that do lead to that very experience as all beliefs lead to their fruition.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36732316


The ideas of being a spiritual person and having money are not mutually exclusive, however, a spiritual person typically does not place as much emphasis on having things rather than experiences, whereas a person chasing money focuses more on the philosophy of "he who dies with the most toys wins". It is not the belief that limits, the belief just gives strength when things get tough, it helps to remove the anxiety of trying to keep up with the jones'. I personally would rather die poor having lived a full, challenging life, than die rich never having truly known the value of work. But that's just me.
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Money can be a tool to do great good. Do you believe that you are responsible enough to handle that kind of power? If not, then you have a limiting belief.
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That is a good sign for it means you are being tested and if you endure, He will give you the crown of life. If anyone ever says life gets easier when they became a Christian, it is a good sign that they are not truly born-again.
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Indeed, Job's always been my favorite book in the bible, even before I came to Christ.
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God bless and strengthen you! :)
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And you as well.
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Thanks, I need it. peace
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I used to be an agnostic, leaning atheist. Took some LSD and found Jesus... quite literally. Anyway, life before was pretty laid back, had a good job, was going to school, single, always had money to spend on cool stuff. Now its a struggle, living paycheck to paycheck, married, job outlook is uncertain, and somehow every spare penny parts ways and goes to those that have less food than I do. All in all, while life has gotten harder, it's also become more rewarding and more meaningful. I wouldn't trade anything for the life I'm living right now. That said, winning the lotto is always welcome, I've always wanted to retire early and have my own off the grid, self sustaining commune complete with hydroponic garden, chickens, fish pond, garage, recording studio and workshop... a man can dream...
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That is a good sign for it means you are being tested and if you endure, He will give you the crown of life. If anyone ever says life gets easier when they became a Christian, it is a good sign that they are not truly born-again.
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This seems like an example of a belief. A limiting belief at that. These are the kind of beliefs that need to be examined. For example, spirituality and having money are incompatible, or that spirituality means deprivation. These are the kind of beliefs that do lead to that very experience as all beliefs lead to their fruition.
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No, it's a fact.
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Jane Roberts is great, I grew up on that Seth stuff.
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I was baptised and confirmed a Lutheran. Actually believed it, not 4000 years old, but that God was sort of the greatest scientist of all and guided things along. Angels were real in some capcity and God could change things that God didn't like. God championed the good and punished the bad.

Then I invaded a country and was in that place for eighteen months of soul crushing. The saying "There are no Atheists in fox-holes," is complete BS as I lost what "faith" I had. Shortly after I got my degree and that just made matters worse.

The change was unintentional, but now I rather enjoy. My thirst for knowledge both crazy-conspiracy and rational-mainstream is all but unquenchable. Leading me to such places as this in some of my free time. Which I have a lot of til thursday-ish.
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As a Christian I can handle many more stressful situations than I used to...

When people insult me I still find Christ's Peace

When my family drives me bonkers I still find Christ's Peace

When I see such heartache, sadness and evil in the world I still find Christ's Peace

The World offers no Peace....In Jesus Christ we find all the Peace....

An easy Yoke and a light burden..
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For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21
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