Predator of Consciousness

I'd like to say yes and no to this. How about when the phenomenal world begins attacking in response to the energy of meditation and like practices.

There was a stretch of about 3 years where I practiced 1-4 hours a day and you would NOT believe the list of reactions around me..it was primordial, not necessarily personal.
I wonder what the OP would have to say about this rarely addressed reaction. And most of all, how to deal with it.

I don't believe that what you experienced was the result of meditation. What like practices are you speaking about and how were you attacked?

Sounds like someone has been taking the Castenda stuff literally. They're just stories you know, fiction.
A lot like taking L Ron Hubbard's mediocre sci-fi too literally I suppose....

I do.

I've experienced it myself.

Some people simply attack an energy that is opposite to their energy.

It is a reflex. It is not even personal.

Instantaneous dislike.

Michael

Meditation creates inner silence and brings you to a state of relaxation and peace. Doing this would not cause somebody to attack you.

How to put all this in real practice in short ?


1) Power Of Now/Stillness speaks (staying in the present)

2) Ho'oponopono (clearing the negative programs and the matrix created by these entities)

3) Practicing the above to by keeping in perspective the teachings of the Toltec,Don Juan/Gnosticism and how this leaching negative energy/Archons survives and uses us.

Or try the harder way of ego death like the Sufis did (extremely hard and secretive meditations,makes them super-humans)

You'd think.

Michael

Quoting: FocusedIntent
"I am saying it is thought that is creating the world. People are living in their own bubbles of perception projecting their experiences onto their walls of perception. They are all connected by something called a collective consciousness and because of this they cooperatively create the world. It is because of this collective consciousness which science has measured that things like telepathy are possible. You are pure consciousness energy."

I think so too. A11 IS MIND!

you have ignored Michaels post in reply to that and I can see e why (way off topic and confrontational) but have you been able to piece together what he is talking about?

I have tried and am still trying to but I cant seem to get it. sorry I bring that up again but I have a hard time leaving out any missing pieces until I understand why they dont belong.

I have spent some time on the link I posred from the other thread: [link to freeyourbrain.tripod.com]

what a mindfuck that is! not recommended for the weakminded or skitso types at all. had I known before I would have added that warning. I know now though but it is still somewhat on-topic here but damn.. found an icke forum thread about it that is still current and on going that helps in decrypting it.

and I thought the Archon 8th level thread was twisted.. that link about makes the 8th level thread childsplay.

"Some people simply attack an energy that is opposite to their energy.

It is a reflex. It is not even personal.

Instantaneous dislike."

I have experienced this many, many times thoughout my life but only recently was able to see it this way you have put it.


BTW Michael, do any of your threads here discuss exactly what you have suggested in this one? I have read much of your blog but still having trouble.

If there are others in a reasonable discussion on topics I have trouble comprehending that I can read through it help tremendously.

something to do with the varience of perspectives, it helps me alot to read from others when I cant form a perspective on certain topics.


If you dont have a thread about it, please start one! it would also help keep this one on target.


thanks

In this low vibration reality dominated by 'past/future' mind maintaining the higher vibration 'present mind' (via meditation) is the energetic equivalent of shouting "TARGET ME SOCIETY!"

Call them what you will... gang stalkers, matrix agents, jinn possessed... if the sharks can't coax you into the ocean they'll isolate you on the shore and drop sand bombs until you find a way off the beach.

Take all input with a grain of salt (maybe instincts will help decide what is true), discard the things that just don't feel right to you.

But I DID find some useful things in those referenced stories, both of them.

But in the end, adding those useful things to the other sources I studied, gave me a belief system that replaced my devastated belief in the Christian bible (proverbs 20:11)
( revelations 2:9).

A Placebo belief? Well, it worked for me, and I'm just beginning to learn

A guy like Michael, he has learned so much that it is hard to understand him. He is trying to share, but it is hard to teach others when they have not even learned to question something drilled into them all their lives.

AND when you learn that much, you cannot go back to "The Blue Lagoon" (or the church pew) you started in!

I agree that there is only one type of entity...some more labels which people have created for it/them are: sheckinah, kundalini shakti, spirit guides, higher self, ghosts, skinwalkers, astral beings, the beloved, dark force entities, devas, inter-dimensional beings, etc etc.

Any instance of communication with a non-corporeal being, any instance of thought-insertion/deletion (i.e. schizophrenia symptoms) come from these entities (or the one entity - I believe it is like an energetic colony organism).

I would amend your statement that "...its greatest achievement is getting you to believe it doesn't exist." to: 'It's greatest achievment is getting you to believe that it's identity is one of numerous possible beings.' (i.e. angels, spirits, aliens, kundalini, and so on). There is only this one type and its method is to provoke disinformation and to avoid revealing itself under any circumstance. The funny thing is that it doesn't have to do any work in masquerading itself, it simply lets foolish humans make up their own stories about what 'it' is, and then it will play along with those stories. It can take on an infinite variety of forms and play an astounding amount of games with a human's nervous system.

The best thing people could do is to stop creating new names for it and combine all names into one. People need to know that any outside interference, including supposed contact with Gods, with Jesus, holy spirits, etc. are simply this thing in disguise. Because there are so many different people out there talking about this or that experience with this or that phenomena, science will never take them seriously - there are just too many contradictory stories and descriptions for most people to see through to the similiarities. Only if everyone came to understand that there ONE source of all these manifestations, and that it can play with your emotions, thoughts, and brain chemistry to back up any of those stories, would a real concerted, combined scientific effort to identify this thing occur.

So if you want to help that happen, stop making up multiple names for what is one thing. The more people who start to see it for what it is, the better. Its important to be as objective as possible. While we may think we know what it's motivation is, the fact is that we don't truly. So well it may make sense that it is absorbing our energy, we don't know that for certain. It could just be watching the human drama. Remove all assumptions and we are left with very little information actually about its purposes, what level of reality it exists on, how it works. We have to start with what we truly know from objective analysis only.

Start convincing everyone who channels spirits, contacts aliens, has sex with succubus/incubus, and so on that all these things are the same. Only when that belief is dominant, will things evolve to a better understanding. otherwise it will just be the same old same old, which has been going on for tens of thousands of years...."I speak with my spirit guide,"..."Well I have an alien being from dimension Z that talks to me,"..."Oh yeah, I am kundalini awakened,"...."I have merged with the holy spirit, its light blesses me." blah blah blah - all bullshit...You have been duped...

I think it's hard to understand mighty Prince Michael because he is slightly unhinged my friend. Yes, he has read some Krishnamurti but it seems he has not learned from Krishnamurti, his responses are very telling in this respect. A shame, there is clearly a fine intellect there, but he has not been wary of vanity. As ever though, no one can tell you the way, but there are many useful signposts.

What else can you say about energy attacks?
How do you know if that is what is happening? Like certain signs, physical/emotional feelings?

Thanks

And thanks for thread OP

I can also attest to this. Some people cannot stand an "inner stillness" in another.

"I can also attest to this. Some people cannot stand an "inner stillness" in another."


or silence/quietness. if you do not have background music in your area/car wherever, most people dont understand, some cant deal with it at all, they must have some type of music and if not music then T.V. or other gadjet to pacify them.

Oh yeah...that is a big one for sure. A lot of people these days cannot stand silence.

I was also talking about human interaction though. For example, there is a sales man that comes around where I work and he is very "high intensity" always talking loudly and joking and moving around and about. I am the complete opposite, I speak when I need to speak, and am at work just to do what I have to do. I have a pace that I like to work, talk, think and even make jokes at. There is a feeling of "standoffishness" when he enters my office. Like he expects me to have something to say...which I usually don't.

after seeking subjects such as these for a while you start to realize there is something like a program running the mind. once you find your own you also start to see it running others.

seeing the program (ego?) was easy for me but slowing it down enough to stop it is the real challange.

How do you know what is to "blame" for these people not liking you?

Unless there is open dialogue, its just an assumption that they can't stand you because of your "inner stillness". Perhaps they'd dislike you even if you weren't meditating?

Not judging or attacking. It just seems to me that some people out there don't like others no matter what.

I comprehend what he is saying some of it I agree with and some I don't. I am not here to argue over any beliefs I just want to share some information that I feel is important. I leave you to do with the information as you see fit.



It seems to me that he is acting this way to elicit a response from the people around him. You do not respond to him the same way everybody else does so likely he suspects that it's you that doesn't like him. This creates the feeling of standoffishness and I don't think it has anything to do with meditation or your inner silence.

People do not like people that are different. This is why people with like minds tend to stay together and reject people with different opinions and beliefs.

People also do not like change. The people that know you see you as being a certain way. If you begin to change your behavior the people that know you will fight the change because they want you to be the person that they "know." Meditation can cause a persons perception about life to change thus they change their behavior accordingly. The people that fight this change are not attacking you because of meditation. They are attacking because of their inability to deal with change.

It depends upon what the discussion is about.

Seriously.

Krishnamurti did not understand the origin of the duality. He assumed that it was thought. That is not any condemnation. I very seriously appreciate the insights that I have received from him. It is just an observation.

It is much deeper; in the consciousness of the "self", which originates in the 'movement' of self-reflection.

That is not a thought or a belief.

That is an observation of the reflex which gives birth to the duality of the "self", just like Krishnamurti explains how to observe thought.

It's really difficult to make a judgement upon someone's knowledge in the context of an internet forum where words are written and there is no interplay of an oral discussion.

But, at the moment, this is the only medium I have, irrespective of how deficient it is, to explain what I have observed.

In any case, tell me where, in your assessment, I have fallen short of what Krishnamurti says.

Michael

Let me suggest that you are putting too fine of a point on this.

It is merely an intuition.

There is no attempt to project evil upon someone or to blame them.

It is merely a different energy.

I have seen one person with a halo around his head; a contemplative in a monastery.

I have seen people with a darkness around their head; so dark that it is as if the temperature of the room drops ten degrees when they walk in.

None of these things can be proven.

They are observations.

No one has to believe them.

But there is something else.

Reverse Speech Analysis has demonstrated that there are two messages being conveyed in language; one in a time forward direction, by the consciousness of the 'thinker'; and one in a time-reversed direction, from the consciousness of the "self" or the unconscious or the "ego".

Children, especially, are capable of getting the 'unconscious' meaning, not necessarily hearing the verbal message, of human language.

With practice, even an adult can hear the 'unconscious' messages in someone's verbal statement.

Michael

Perhaps a minor point.

"slowing it down" is not really possible.

I have used the train analogy before.

The dualistic consciousness being on a moving train; the observing consciousness standing in the train station.

Slowing down the train does not help; it is still dualistic.

The issue is jumping off of the train.

In other words, stand outside of the spatiality and the desire/fear reflexes of the consciousness of the "self" and 'thinker'.

You say that you are "seeing the program" of the "self" or the 'thinker'.

What Krishnamurti always said is that to observe the duality is to be apart from the duality. If you are still caught in the duality you are not really observing it. You are still on the moving train rather than in the train station. Your energy is still being parasitized.

Michael

Last Edited by 4Q529 on 03/27/2013 04:11 AM

Agreed.

People create images of other people for the purpose of human interaction. And, at some point, the interaction that was once human is replaced by an interaction between images.

But, when the reality of who a person is clashes with the images that others have created for the purpose of human interaction, those human contacts are destroyed; those relationships collapse.

People prefer the image to the reality.

People do not really want to acknowledge the reality of another person because their reality might very well interfere with their own reality, which is also an image.

Michael

When the mind has a genuine authentic stillness (inner chatter stopped), The Inner Observer maintains awareness within the Present Moment. This is a different state of Being than 'they' are in.

Your ego 'garbage' is 'out of the way' within you momentarily (until the state of 'Second Attention, Self Remembering [Gurdjieff 4th Way], Presence in the Now, etc gains momentum and is sustained as a new way of life)

Self Remembering 'back' into this STATE is an authentic ACT OF WILL, or it will happen as though YOU were remembered by an unknown but familiar INFLUENCE 'helping' you to WAKE-UP.

This can be extremely disturbing to those around you WHO ARE NOT...

They will detect you SEEING RIGHT THROUGH THEM as though you are radically disturbing there dream! They are now in the Presence of genuine ESSENCE vs false personality.

The 'primal reaction' you mention, is directly proportional to the gradient of ego intensity, the more extreme the ego, the more shocking the 'revolt' against this Essence STATE.

There ego's and 'stuff' can be readily detected by them as YOU are now a MIRROR to them. This can come as a shock and be very startling to them.

They will 'fidget', dirty looks, emotional outbursts, Some you may 'stop-in-there-tracks to a complete inner-stop themselves', there eyes will simply LOCK on you and they cant break-away. This is all fine and normal.

This is the Predator 'REACTING' to the genuine authentic. It can result in these disturbed people attempting to shame, guilt and collectively 'police' you back in-line where you are RE-IDENTIFIED (Gurdjieff term) with a the inner-chatter lack of clarity, vivid Presence, back inner 'bitching' some PAST glory or horror or some FUTURE fear or goal etc (always inner-talking; attempting to put yourself in a 'better' light to some imaginary inner foe etc just LIKE THEM).

Caution; Your own predator will WANT TO AGREE with them (!).

Consciously 'act' the part they are expecting of you at any particular time, don't make eye contact. Swiftly move past them or out of there detection.

While maintaining your INNER PRESENCE, make a swift movement, diverting there attention to an outer distraction instead your state. They can't tolerate the BURNING SENSATION they are having.

This is common and normal. Don't worry about it!

In this new STATE your inner WILL know what to do (if it can gain momentum and be sustained).

Most NEED this influence, as it is a REMINDER of a lost correct harmonized Human orientation. You will recognize these as well...

Last Edited by Being * gnieB on 03/27/2013 05:20 AM

Exactly.

Thanks for these words.

When you have an ability to look at life with a consciousness other than the "self" and the 'thinker'--that is, the "observing consciousness"--people instinctively can intuit that you are 'not with the program'; but are standing outside, looking at life and them from another perspective.

All you have to do is look at them; and they can detect from your gaze alone that you are observing their consciousness from a non-personal, non-"self" perspective.

It makes them feel naked and vulnerable.

You understand too much about them; and too quickly.

And they get angry that someone can see through the mechanisms of their consciousness.

The accusations begin to fly: arrogance, a superiority complex, etc. etc.; simply because you have learned how to delay the common reflexes of human interaction.

In a psychiatric situation, this is quite permissible; but people are not supposed to observe in that way in "real life".

Michael

This a true story, based on experience. You and others will know that this is so.

The Prince of Darkness, Lucifer, the Light Bringer undertook eons ago the greatest sacrifice out of cosmic love. He, the most beautiful of angels, agreed to descend to the darkest corners of the Universe, to bring the Cosmic Light of Spirit to the densest of matter, thus helping to raise the vibration from inside.

His sacrifice consisted in the fact that he had to be separated from the Source, alone in his magnificence, surrounded by beings that had yet to know the Light of the Spirit. With time he forgot his true essence, he transformed from the most beautiful Dragon to a strange creature made out of flesh, but in doing so he learned to wield the mighty powers of darkness, the magnetism of the Black Hole which rests in the center of the earth, the Womb of Gaia where matter is continuously reforged to be fit as material for the sparks of spirit.

He forgot his true self so much, caught in the darkest of matter, that he almost lost his awareness, almost. And during his deep slumber, some parasites from another corner of the Multiverse saw the opportunity to profit from the unknowing children of Gaia.

And where the Prince of Darkness used greed and lust of the children of matter to lure them to understand life, because they didn't had the power to learn life by themselves; the parasites used the same greed and lust to spread death and to extract the life energy from their unknowingly hosts. They shaped lust and greed into a grand scheme of money, dark drugs, unnatural sex, death weapons and they enjoyed the show, watching the children of Gaia destroying themselves to death.

But one day, the Prince woke up to the Light Inside. And he saw destruction and death everywhere, in his beloved kingdom. And he felt all the suffering of Gaia, it was unbearable. First, he tried to spread his mighty wings and fly high above, but he could not do it, he could not do it alone. He desperately tried to get his smaller brothers and children to fly with him, so that together they could renew the life of Gaia, but they were still too weak.

Then he remembered that he is not only an Archangel of Light, but that he also became the Prince of Darkness and he tried to use the dark magnetism to lure his children away from the death trap they were heading.

Then he looked up to the sky, and he saw the Balance of the World so unbalanced, with the Light Pole barely hanging on. It was on the verge of breaking. So much darkness everywhere: fear, hate, loneliness; and so little love. All his court of fairies and elves tainted by the evil poison of the parasite.

And in that very moment of infinite pain and infinite love, he found again the Source in his very core. He was reborn, the master of time, the master of matter, Half Light and Half Dark with the Heart standing in the middle to keep the Balance of the World in perfect equilibrium.

And then he got back to work, fully reconnected with the Source, to clean up the mess made by the parasites, and to restore Heaven on Earth, so that every being could know True Life again, carefully nurtured by their Mother Gaia, the Eternal Goddess of Love, and with the Angels of Light and Darkness guiding them through the long voyage back Home.

not for me. your link is one that slightly twist gnostic belief into the UN agenda of the One, hive mind religion. The UN has employed a gamut of internet sensations to lead people to this new religion. They twisted the gnostic beliefs like the Coptic texts. dIcks and jay Weidner types are hooked up with the arcane school and share international. and by the way, Crowley promoted yoga and sex magic for this very thing. The 8th level thread is original and new, that link is a bunch of cut and paste from the 60's on of the UN one stuff. just my opinion, go where you may. your choice.

Being * gnieB, your post was a great revelation to me, I cant thank you enough! I have been struggling with this for a very long time.

and Micheal, your last one with the train analogy also very helpful.

I love you A11! Thanks OP

Just to expand upon the train analogy a little.

A person on the moving train drops a ball and perceives it as falling straight downward, to the floor of the train, which is also moving.

The person in the train station observes the path of the falling ball as a curved path because it is moving forward in relation to the ground.

What this means is that the dualistic consciousness on the moving train has its perceptions distorted by the fact that it is in motion.

The person in the train station signifies the "observing consciousness", which is capable of observing aspects of the motion of the ball which CANNOT be observed by the person on the train that drops the ball.

Try as he might, the person in the train station can NEVER convince the person on the train that the path of the falling ball has a horizontal component and is curved. The dualistic consciousness is absolutely convinced of the certainty of its perceptions; and considers the "observing consciousness" in the train station as being delusional--seeing something, the horizontal component to the path of the ball, that does not exist to him.

Michael