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The Branch is the two witnesses of Revelation

 
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No where is Jesus ever mentioned as being a "Branch"..Jesus is always the "Vine"....the 2 witnesses are the "Branch"

One witness is a "king" and the other is a "priest"



Zechariah 6:12-13

King James Version (KJV)

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

The Branch is clearly the one building the temple of the Lord and in the book of Zechariah it is Joshua the priest and Zerubbabel the head of the tribe of Judah building the temple and the counsel of peace shall be between the king and the priest




Jeremiah 23 shows the Zerubbabel half of the Branch

Jeremiah 23:5-6

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5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice(righteousness) in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby "he" shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.




Jeremiah 33 shows the Joshua half of the Branch
...notice no mention of the word "King" in these verses that is because it is the "Priest" side...the world is made up of male and female the kingdom of God is made up of kings and priests...kings masculine and priests feminine but not of the nature as we think of male and female on earth.

15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith "she" shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne(King) of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.


Psalm 72(A psalm of solomon)

King James Version (KJV)

72 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king's son.

Notice the "Branch" executes "Judgement and righteousness"
The king thy judgement and the kings son thy righteousness"

The "Branch is 2 that become 1 because the Branch has the mission of joining the 2 that are separated Judah and Israel
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remember when ezekiel is told to write on two sticks but to join the two sticks in his hand...the two become one...

on one he writes Judah(judah translates praise)and on the other is written Isreal....Priest and King, eh?
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excuse me...it is Judah and Joseph....

Ezekiel chapter 37 starting in verse 15 or so

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Zechariah 3:8
Hear, O Joshua, the high priest,
You and your companions who sit before you,
For they are a wondrous sign;
For behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH.

The 144,000 are the Branch, Joshua and his companions are the priestly portion, while Zerubbabel represents the King and that half of the 144,000. The two witnesses are part of this group. Just my thoughts on the subject.
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Zechariah 3:8
Hear, O Joshua, the high priest,
You and your companions who sit before you,
For they are a wondrous sign;
For behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH.

The 144,000 are the Branch, Joshua and his companions are the priestly portion, while Zerubbabel represents the King and that half of the 144,000. The two witnesses are part of this group. Just my thoughts on the subject.
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The BRANCH is Jesus, it is His throne that is being referenced and the Temple being referenced is the one in the verses below.

Isa:56:7:
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Zec:14:16:
And it shall come to pass,
that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King,
the LORD of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles
.

Eze:47:1:
Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house;
and,
behold,
waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward:
for the forefront of the house stood toward the east,
and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house,
at the south side of the altar.
Eze:47:2:
Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward,
and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward;
and,
behold,
there ran out waters on the right side.
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Jesus is the root, the stem from Jesse!
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The BRANCH is Jesus, it is His throne that is being referenced and the Temple being referenced is the one in the verses below.

Isa:56:7:
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain,
and make them joyful in my house of prayer:
their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar;
for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Zec:14:16:
And it shall come to pass,
that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King,
the LORD of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles
.

Eze:47:1:
Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house;
and,
behold,
waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward:
for the forefront of the house stood toward the east,
and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house,
at the south side of the altar.
Eze:47:2:
Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward,
and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward;
and,




behold,
there ran out waters on the right side.
 Quoting: MHz


How does this prove Jesus to be the Branch

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on one he writes Judah(judah translates praise)and on the other is written Isreal....Priest and King, eh?
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Re:20:4:
And I saw thrones,
and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them:
and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image,
neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Re:20:5:
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
This is the first resurrection.
Re:20:6:
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection:
on such the second death hath no power,
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with him a thousand years.

These are the Priests that will be taught what they need to know during the 1,000 year reign, the Kings will be the Gentiles that are alive during the 1,000 year reign and they are listed in Re:20:4.

Eze:37:10:
So I prophesied as he commanded me,
and the breath came into them,
and they lived,
and stood up upon their feet,
an exceeding great army.
Eze:37:11:
Then he said unto me,
Son of man,
these bones are the whole house of Israel:
behold,
they say,
Our bones are dried,
and our hope is lost:
we are cut off for our parts.
Eze:37:12:
Therefore prophesy and say unto them,
Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold,
O my people,
I will open your graves,
and cause you to come up out of your graves,
and bring you into the land of Israel.
Eze:37:13:
And ye shall know that I am the LORD,
when I have opened your graves,
O my people,
and brought you up out of your graves,
Eze:37:14:
And shall put my spirit in you,
and ye shall live,
and I shall place you in your own land:
then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it,
and performed it,
saith the LORD.

Zec:14:3:
Then shall the LORD go forth,
and fight against those nations,
as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec:14:16:
And it shall come to pass,
that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King,
the LORD of hosts,
and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
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How does this prove Jesus to be the Branch
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Only one person is ever allowed by God to sit on a throne in a temple in Jerusalem.


Zec:6:13:
Even he shall build the temple of the LORD;
and he shall bear the glory,
and shall sit and rule upon his throne;
and he shall be a priest upon his throne:

and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
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Ummmm....

Jesus isn't the right name.

Yeshua

That^^^^^

translates to Joshua

Nomenclature ~ it matters
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How does this prove Jesus to be the Branch
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Only one person is ever allowed by God to sit on a throne in a temple in Jerusalem.


Zec:6:13:
Even he shall build the temple of the LORD;
and he shall bear the glory,
and shall sit and rule upon his throne;
and he shall be a priest upon his throne:

and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
 Quoting: MHz


John 15:5
I am the vine and you are the branches......
Jesus is the vine not the branch
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Hi MHz, where it says the counsel of peace shall be between them both, who is that referring to? My thoughts are that Gods pattern would be a high priest and a high King as it were.

Christ is above all, no argument there.
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Hi MHz, where it says the counsel of peace shall be between them both, who is that referring to? My thoughts are that Gods pattern would be a high priest and a high King as it were.

Christ is above all, no argument there.
 Quoting: bigD111

I'm going to go with the 24 Elders for that one. They would be the OT Saints that were resurrected on the same morning and they would have ascended with Jesus that same day

Re:5:8:
And when he had taken the book,
the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb,
having every one of them harps,
and golden vials full of odours,
which are the prayers of saints.
Re:5:9:
And they sung a new song,
saying,
Thou art worthy to take the book,
and to open the seals thereof:
for thou wast slain,
and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred,
and tongue,
and people,
and nation;
Re:5:10:
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:
and we shall reign on the earth.

The ones that are alive at the end of the 1st day of the 1,000 year reign will be like 'little children' as far as knowing anything about the Kingdom og God, the 24 Elders have had almost 2,000 years of 'instruction' and they will be teachers during the 1,000 years. At the end of that period all those alive for the 1,000 years (a static population) will be perfected so they can be 'authoritative' Priests and Kings to those that are resurrected at the Great White Throne and that group will be their first 'clients' where the 12 tribes are the Priests and the Gentiles (Church) will preside as Kings over all the Nations that will come into being over eternity where the new earth is the universe as the new heaven for the angels is the same place as the Great White Throne was, the 3rd heaven.

2Co:12:2:
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,
(whether in the body,
I cannot tell;
or whether out of the body,
I cannot tell:
God knoweth;)
such an one caught up to the third heaven.

It could also be the whole of the 12 Tribes as one part and they see Israel return to almost like it was in the Garden. Birds and animals are missing from the 1,000 years but Israel does host the feast of the tabernacles for the 'remnant of the Nations' so there is those two groups that have been at odds with each other and over the 1,000 years both groups earn the right to call New Jerusalem home for eternity once it lands on the new earth. The ones not alive for the 1,000 years will live outside the city and before they are given immortality they marry and have 100 children. All the customs that the ones in the 1,000 reign learned and practiced 1,000 times is pretty much what they will do in New Jerusalem, together as one 'team'.

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The Branch is the 2 witnesses of Revelation


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No where is Jesus ever mentioned as being a "Branch"..Jesus is always the "Vine"....the 2 witnesses are the "Branch"

One witness is a "king" and the other is a "priest"



Zechariah 6:12-13

King James Version (KJV)

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

The Branch is clearly the one building the temple of the Lord and in the book of Zechariah it is Joshua the priest and Zerubbabel the head of the tribe of Judah building the temple and the counsel of peace shall be between the king and the priest




Jeremiah 23 shows the Zerubbabel half of the Branch

Jeremiah 23:5-6

King James Version (KJV)

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice(righteousness) in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby "he" shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.




Jeremiah 33 shows the Joshua half of the Branch
...notice no mention of the word "King" in these verses that is because it is the "Priest" side...the world is made up of male and female the kingdom of God is made up of kings and priests...kings masculine and priests feminine but not of the nature as we think of male and female on earth.

15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith "she" shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne(King) of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.


Psalm 72(A psalm of solomon)

King James Version (KJV)

72 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king's son.

Notice the "Branch" executes "Judgement and righteousness"
The king thy judgement and the kings son thy righteousness"

The "Branch is 2 that become 1 because the Branch has the mission of joining the 2 that are separated Judah and Israel
 Quoting: waterman


Why can you not shut up and stop your stupid posts? Jesus is the Branch, namely first and foremost in his man child through whom He returns to fight and destroy the Antichrist.

Otherwise He is definitely not a branch but the stem and the TREE OF LIFE. But, since He is the life in the branches it is possible to say that he is the Branch, otherwise not.

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Your insites on the 2 houses and their connecetion to the 2 witnesses as they become one have been very helpful Waterman, thanks. The notion that the corporate church still holds to that the 2 witnesses are 2 people is so absurd I can't even believe it.
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Apocrypha: 2 Esdras Chapter 13

1 And it came to pass after seven days, I dreamed a dream by night:

2 And, lo, there arose a wind from the sea, that it moved all the waves thereof.

3 And I beheld, and, lo, that man waxed strong with the thousands of heaven: and when he turned his countenance to look, all the things trembled that were seen under him.

4 And whensoever the voice went out of his mouth, all they burned that heard his voice, like as the earth faileth when it feeleth the fire.

5 And after this I beheld, and, lo, there was gathered together a multitude of men, out of number, from the four winds of the heaven, to subdue the man that came out of the sea

6 But I beheld, and, lo, he had graved himself a great mountain, and flew up upon it.

7 But I would have seen the region or place whereout the hill was graven, and I could not.

8 And after this I beheld, and, lo, all they which were gathered together to subdue him were sore afraid, and yet durst fight.

9 And, lo, as he saw the violence of the multitude that came, he neither lifted up his hand, nor held sword, nor any instrument of war:

10 But only I saw that he sent out of his mouth as it had been a blast of fire, and out of his lips a flaming breath, and out of his tongue he cast out sparks and tempests.

11 And they were all mixed together; the blast of fire, the flaming breath, and the great tempest; and fell with violence upon the multitude which was prepared to fight, and burned them up every one, so that upon a sudden of an innumerable multitude nothing was to be perceived, but only dust and smell of smoke: when I saw this I was afraid.

12 Afterward saw I the same man come down from the mountain, and call unto him another peaceable Multitude.

13 And there came much people unto him, whereof some were glad, some were sorry, and some of them were bound, and other some brought of them that were offered: then was I sick through great fear, and I awaked, and said,

14 Thou hast shewed thy servant these wonders from the beginning, and hast counted me worthy that thou shouldest receive my prayer:

15 Shew me now yet the interpretation of this dream.

16 For as I conceive in mine understanding, woe unto them that shall be left in those days and much more woe unto them that are not left behind!

17 For they that were not left were in heaviness.

18 Now understand I the things that are laid up in the latter days, which shall happen unto them, and to those that are left behind.

19 Therefore are they come into great perils and many necessities, like as these dreams declare.

20 Yet is it easier for him that is in danger to come into these things, than to pass away as a cloud out of the world, and not to see the things that happen in the last days. And he answered unto me, and said,

21 The interpretation of the vision shall I shew thee, and I will open unto thee the thing that thou hast required.

22 Whereas thou hast spoken of them that are left behind, this is the interpretation:

23 He that shall endure the peril in that time hath kept himself: they that be fallen into danger are such as have works, and faith toward the Almighty.

24 Know this therefore, that they which be left behind are more blessed than they that be dead.

25 This is the meaning of the vision: Whereas thou sawest a man coming up from the midst of the sea:

26 The same is he whom God the Highest hath kept a great season, which by his own self shall deliver his creature: and he shall order them that are left behind.

27 And whereas thou sawest, that out of his mouth there came as a blast of wind, and fire, and storm;

28 And that he held neither sword, nor any instrument of war, but that the rushing in of him destroyed the whole multitude that came to subdue him; this is the interpretation:

29 Behold, the days come, when the most High will begin to deliver them that are upon the earth.

30 And he shall come to the astonishment of them that dwell on the earth.

31 And one shall undertake to fight against another, one city against another, one place against another, one people against another, and one realm against another.

32 And the time shall be when these things shall come to pass, and the signs shall happen which I shewed thee before, and then shall my Son be declared, whom thou sawest as a man ascending.

33 And when all the people hear his voice, every man shall in their own land leave the battle they have one against another.

34 And an innumerable multitude shall be gathered together, as thou sawest them, willing to come, and to overcome him by fighting.

35 But he shall stand upon the top of the mount Sion.

36 And Sion shall come, and shall be shewed to all men, being prepared and builded, like as thou sawest the hill graven without hands.

37 And this my Son shall rebuke the wicked inventions of those nations, which for their wicked life are fallen into the tempest;

38 And shall lay before them their evil thoughts, and the torments wherewith they shall begin to be tormented, which are like unto a flame: and he shall destroy them without labour by the law which is like unto me.

39 And whereas thou sawest that he gathered another peaceable multitude unto him;

40 Those are the ten tribes, which were carried away prisoners out of their own land in the time of Osea the king, whom Salmanasar the king of Assyria led away captive, and he carried them over the waters, and so came they into another land.

41 But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,

42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.

43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.

44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.

45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.

46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,

47 The Highest shall stay the springs of the stream again, that they may go through: therefore sawest thou the multitude with peace.

48 But those that be left behind of thy people are they that are found within my borders.

49 Now when he destroyeth the multitude of the nations that are gathered together, he shall defend his people that remain.

50 And then shall he shew them great wonders.

51 Then said I, O Lord that bearest rule, shew me this: Wherefore have I seen the man coming up from the midst of the sea?

52 And he said unto me, Like as thou canst neither seek out nor know the things that are in the deep of the sea: even so can no man upon earth see my Son, or those that be with him, but in the day time.

53 This is the interpretation of the dream which thou sawest, and whereby thou only art here lightened.

54 For thou hast forsaken thine own way, and applied thy diligence unto my law, and sought it.

55 Thy life hast thou ordered in wisdom, and hast called understanding thy mother.

56 And therefore have I shewed thee the treasures of the Highest: after other three days I will speak other things unto thee, and declare unto thee mighty and wondrous things.

57 Then went I forth into the field, giving praise and thanks greatly unto the most High because of his wonders which he did in time;

58 And because he governeth the same, and such things as fall in their seasons: and there I sat three days.
then who is this guy?and the guy in the preceding chapter?
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Apocrypha: 2 Esdras Chapter 13

1 And it came to pass after seven days, I dreamed a dream by night:

2 And, lo, there arose a wind from the sea, that it moved all the waves thereof.

3 And I beheld, and, lo, that man waxed strong with the thousands of heaven: and when he turned his countenance to look, all the things trembled that were seen under him.

4 And whensoever the voice went out of his mouth, all they burned that heard his voice, like as the earth faileth when it feeleth the fire.

5 And after this I beheld, and, lo, there was gathered together a multitude of men, out of number, from the four winds of the heaven, to subdue the man that came out of the sea

6 But I beheld, and, lo, he had graved himself a great mountain, and flew up upon it.

7 But I would have seen the region or place whereout the hill was graven, and I could not.

8 And after this I beheld, and, lo, all they which were gathered together to subdue him were sore afraid, and yet durst fight.

9 And, lo, as he saw the violence of the multitude that came, he neither lifted up his hand, nor held sword, nor any instrument of war:

10 But only I saw that he sent out of his mouth as it had been a blast of fire, and out of his lips a flaming breath, and out of his tongue he cast out sparks and tempests.

11 And they were all mixed together; the blast of fire, the flaming breath, and the great tempest; and fell with violence upon the multitude which was prepared to fight, and burned them up every one, so that upon a sudden of an innumerable multitude nothing was to be perceived, but only dust and smell of smoke: when I saw this I was afraid.

12 Afterward saw I the same man come down from the mountain, and call unto him another peaceable Multitude.

13 And there came much people unto him, whereof some were glad, some were sorry, and some of them were bound, and other some brought of them that were offered: then was I sick through great fear, and I awaked, and said,

14 Thou hast shewed thy servant these wonders from the beginning, and hast counted me worthy that thou shouldest receive my prayer:

15 Shew me now yet the interpretation of this dream.

16 For as I conceive in mine understanding, woe unto them that shall be left in those days and much more woe unto them that are not left behind!

17 For they that were not left were in heaviness.

18 Now understand I the things that are laid up in the latter days, which shall happen unto them, and to those that are left behind.

19 Therefore are they come into great perils and many necessities, like as these dreams declare.

20 Yet is it easier for him that is in danger to come into these things, than to pass away as a cloud out of the world, and not to see the things that happen in the last days. And he answered unto me, and said,

21 The interpretation of the vision shall I shew thee, and I will open unto thee the thing that thou hast required.

22 Whereas thou hast spoken of them that are left behind, this is the interpretation:

23 He that shall endure the peril in that time hath kept himself: they that be fallen into danger are such as have works, and faith toward the Almighty.

24 Know this therefore, that they which be left behind are more blessed than they that be dead.

25 This is the meaning of the vision: Whereas thou sawest a man coming up from the midst of the sea:

26 The same is he whom God the Highest hath kept a great season, which by his own self shall deliver his creature: and he shall order them that are left behind.

27 And whereas thou sawest, that out of his mouth there came as a blast of wind, and fire, and storm;

28 And that he held neither sword, nor any instrument of war, but that the rushing in of him destroyed the whole multitude that came to subdue him; this is the interpretation:

29 Behold, the days come, when the most High will begin to deliver them that are upon the earth.

30 And he shall come to the astonishment of them that dwell on the earth.

31 And one shall undertake to fight against another, one city against another, one place against another, one people against another, and one realm against another.

32 And the time shall be when these things shall come to pass, and the signs shall happen which I shewed thee before, and then shall my Son be declared, whom thou sawest as a man ascending.

33 And when all the people hear his voice, every man shall in their own land leave the battle they have one against another.

34 And an innumerable multitude shall be gathered together, as thou sawest them, willing to come, and to overcome him by fighting.

35 But he shall stand upon the top of the mount Sion.

36 And Sion shall come, and shall be shewed to all men, being prepared and builded, like as thou sawest the hill graven without hands.

37 And this my Son shall rebuke the wicked inventions of those nations, which for their wicked life are fallen into the tempest;

38 And shall lay before them their evil thoughts, and the torments wherewith they shall begin to be tormented, which are like unto a flame: and he shall destroy them without labour by the law which is like unto me.

39 And whereas thou sawest that he gathered another peaceable multitude unto him;

40 Those are the ten tribes, which were carried away prisoners out of their own land in the time of Osea the king, whom Salmanasar the king of Assyria led away captive, and he carried them over the waters, and so came they into another land.

41 But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,

42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.

43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.

44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.

45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.

46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,

47 The Highest shall stay the springs of the stream again, that they may go through: therefore sawest thou the multitude with peace.

48 But those that be left behind of thy people are they that are found within my borders.

49 Now when he destroyeth the multitude of the nations that are gathered together, he shall defend his people that remain.

50 And then shall he shew them great wonders.

51 Then said I, O Lord that bearest rule, shew me this: Wherefore have I seen the man coming up from the midst of the sea?

52 And he said unto me, Like as thou canst neither seek out nor know the things that are in the deep of the sea: even so can no man upon earth see my Son, or those that be with him, but in the day time.

53 This is the interpretation of the dream which thou sawest, and whereby thou only art here lightened.

54 For thou hast forsaken thine own way, and applied thy diligence unto my law, and sought it.

55 Thy life hast thou ordered in wisdom, and hast called understanding thy mother.

56 And therefore have I shewed thee the treasures of the Highest: after other three days I will speak other things unto thee, and declare unto thee mighty and wondrous things.

57 Then went I forth into the field, giving praise and thanks greatly unto the most High because of his wonders which he did in time;

58 And because he governeth the same, and such things as fall in their seasons: and there I sat three days.
then who is this guy?and the guy in the preceding chapter?
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Hello Mi'Kmaq,

How do you understand these scriptures that you quote from 2 Esdras 13?

What will the "day time" be, as if there is also a "night time"?

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Ummmm....

Jesus isn't the right name.

Yeshua

That^^^^^

translates to Joshua

Nomenclature ~ it matters
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The right name must sound something like Hashem... or Hassan.
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No where is Jesus ever mentioned as being a "Branch"..Jesus is always the "Vine"....the 2 witnesses are the "Branch"

One witness is a "king" and the other is a "priest"



Zechariah 6:12-13

King James Version (KJV)

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

The Branch is clearly the one building the temple of the Lord and in the book of Zechariah it is Joshua the priest and Zerubbabel the head of the tribe of Judah building the temple and the counsel of peace shall be between the king and the priest




Jeremiah 23 shows the Zerubbabel half of the Branch

Jeremiah 23:5-6

King James Version (KJV)

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice(righteousness) in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby "he" shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.




Jeremiah 33 shows the Joshua half of the Branch
...notice no mention of the word "King" in these verses that is because it is the "Priest" side...the world is made up of male and female the kingdom of God is made up of kings and priests...kings masculine and priests feminine but not of the nature as we think of male and female on earth.

15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith "she" shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne(King) of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.


Psalm 72(A psalm of solomon)

King James Version (KJV)

72 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king's son.

Notice the "Branch" executes "Judgement and righteousness"
The king thy judgement and the kings son thy righteousness"

The "Branch is 2 that become 1 because the Branch has the mission of joining the 2 that are separated Judah and Israel
 Quoting: waterman


Why can you not shut up and stop your stupid posts? Jesus is the Branch, namely first and foremost in his man child through whom He returns to fight and destroy the Antichrist.

Otherwise He is definitely not a branch but the stem and the TREE OF LIFE. But, since He is the life in the branches it is possible to say that he is the Branch, otherwise not.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 49953512


You are the one that is stupid. Your soapbox that you shout from is looking pretty rickety. Here's more scripture for you to argue with. That should speak volumes like everything I have confronted your perversion with.
From biblegateway.com NIV John 15:The Vine and the Branches

15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

I think Jesus Christ means it. He called himself a vine twice in that passage and not only that but the "TRUE" vine. These words are not uttered by me, but words for the flock to live by from our Savior. So do you argue with Jesus Christ as to what he is?


In reference to Jeremiah 23, Zerubabbel is shown half the branch because of this.
Here's where God talks about Judah being separated from the rest. Zechariah 11:14 Then I broke my second staff called Union, breaking the family bond between Judah and Israel. Now read the next passage where the tribes are reunited eternally.
From biblegateway.com Ezekiel 37:One Nation Under One King

15 The word of the Lord came to me: 16 “Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, ‘Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.’ Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, ‘Belonging to Joseph (that is, to Ephraim) and all the Israelites associated with him.’ 17 Join them together into one stick so that they will become one in your hand.
18 “When your people ask you, ‘Won’t you tell us what you mean by this?’ 19 say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph—which is in Ephraim’s hand—and of the Israelite tribes associated with him, and join it to Judah’s stick. I will make them into a single stick of wood, and they will become one in my hand.’ 20 Hold before their eyes the sticks you have written on 21 and say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God.
This is why Christ is the vine. These are branches. From Revelation 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, Notice the remnants of Ephraim have been merged from the prophecy uttered by God in Ezekiel 37.

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000
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The Branch is the 2 witnesses of Revelation


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No where is Jesus ever mentioned as being a "Branch"..Jesus is always the "Vine"....the 2 witnesses are the "Branch"

One witness is a "king" and the other is a "priest"



Zechariah 6:12-13

King James Version (KJV)

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

The Branch is clearly the one building the temple of the Lord and in the book of Zechariah it is Joshua the priest and Zerubbabel the head of the tribe of Judah building the temple and the counsel of peace shall be between the king and the priest




Jeremiah 23 shows the Zerubbabel half of the Branch

Jeremiah 23:5-6

King James Version (KJV)

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice(righteousness) in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby "he" shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.




Jeremiah 33 shows the Joshua half of the Branch
...notice no mention of the word "King" in these verses that is because it is the "Priest" side...the world is made up of male and female the kingdom of God is made up of kings and priests...kings masculine and priests feminine but not of the nature as we think of male and female on earth.

15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith "she" shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne(King) of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.


Psalm 72(A psalm of solomon)

King James Version (KJV)

72 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king's son.

Notice the "Branch" executes "Judgement and righteousness"
The king thy judgement and the kings son thy righteousness"

The "Branch is 2 that become 1 because the Branch has the mission of joining the 2 that are separated Judah and Israel
 Quoting: waterman


Why can you not shut up and stop your stupid posts? Jesus is the Branch, namely first and foremost in his man child through whom He returns to fight and destroy the Antichrist.

Otherwise He is definitely not a branch but the stem and the TREE OF LIFE. But, since He is the life in the branches it is possible to say that he is the Branch, otherwise not.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 49953512


You are the one that is stupid. Your soapbox that you shout from is looking pretty rickety. Here's more scripture for you to argue with. That should speak volumes like everything I have confronted your perversion with.
From biblegateway.com NIV John 15:The Vine and the Branches

15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

I think Jesus Christ means it. He called himself a vine twice in that passage and not only that but the "TRUE" vine. These words are not uttered by me, but words for the flock to live by from our Savior. So do you argue with Jesus Christ as to what he is?


In reference to jeremiah 23, Zerubabbel is shown half the branch because of this.
Here's where God talks about Judah being separated from the rest. Zechariah 11: 14 Then I broke my second staff called Union, breaking the family bond between Judah and Israel. Now read the next passage where the tribes are reunited eternally.
From biblegateway.com Ezekiel 37:One Nation Under One King

15 The word of the Lord came to me: 16 “Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, ‘Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.’ Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, ‘Belonging to Joseph (that is, to Ephraim) and all the Israelites associated with him.’ 17 Join them together into one stick so that they will become one in your hand.
18 “When your people ask you, ‘Won’t you tell us what you mean by this?’ 19 say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph—which is in Ephraim’s hand—and of the Israelite tribes associated with him, and join it to Judah’s stick. I will make them into a single stick of wood, and they will become one in my hand.’ 20 Hold before their eyes the sticks you have written on 21 and say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God. Here's where God talks about Judah being separated from the rest. Zechariah 11: 14 Then I broke my second staff called Union, breaking the family bond between Judah and Israel.

This is why Christ is the vine. These are branches. From Revelation 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, Notice the remnants of Ephraim have been merged from the prophecy uttered by God in Ezekiel 37.

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Well then,

will you in short words explain to people on GLP and me why you mean that I am stupid?

As regards Zech 11:14, I hope you admit it to happen in NT time. So, where is historical Israel?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

Please, if you can, prove that I am so stupid as you say, in spite of me already having proved you wrong? Do you want me to bring it up to your shame what you have said of great stupidity earlier, or what is your aim in your blindness of not realizing that God's true witness is opposing you?

Take the bite and grind your teeth, if you dare!

Greetings from
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The Branch is the 2 witnesses of Revelation


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No where is Jesus ever mentioned as being a "Branch"..Jesus is always the "Vine"....the 2 witnesses are the "Branch"

One witness is a "king" and the other is a "priest"



Zechariah 6:12-13

King James Version (KJV)

12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:

13 Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

The Branch is clearly the one building the temple of the Lord and in the book of Zechariah it is Joshua the priest and Zerubbabel the head of the tribe of Judah building the temple and the counsel of peace shall be between the king and the priest




Jeremiah 23 shows the Zerubbabel half of the Branch

Jeremiah 23:5-6

King James Version (KJV)

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice(righteousness) in the earth.

6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby "he" shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness.




Jeremiah 33 shows the Joshua half of the Branch
...notice no mention of the word "King" in these verses that is because it is the "Priest" side...the world is made up of male and female the kingdom of God is made up of kings and priests...kings masculine and priests feminine but not of the nature as we think of male and female on earth.

15 In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.

16 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith "she" shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne(King) of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.


Psalm 72(A psalm of solomon)

King James Version (KJV)

72 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king's son.

Notice the "Branch" executes "Judgement and righteousness"
The king thy judgement and the kings son thy righteousness"

The "Branch is 2 that become 1 because the Branch has the mission of joining the 2 that are separated Judah and Israel
 Quoting: waterman


Why can you not shut up and stop your stupid posts? Jesus is the Branch, namely first and foremost in his man child through whom He returns to fight and destroy the Antichrist.

Otherwise He is definitely not a branch but the stem and the TREE OF LIFE. But, since He is the life in the branches it is possible to say that he is the Branch, otherwise not.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 49953512


You are the one that is stupid. Your soapbox that you shout from is looking pretty rickety. Here's more scripture for you to argue with. That should speak volumes like everything I have confronted your perversion with.
From biblegateway.com NIV John 15:The Vine and the Branches

15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

I think Jesus Christ means it. He called himself a vine twice in that passage and not only that but the "TRUE" vine. These words are not uttered by me, but words for the flock to live by from our Savior. So do you argue with Jesus Christ as to what he is?


In reference to jeremiah 23, Zerubabbel is shown half the branch because of this.
Here's where God talks about Judah being separated from the rest. Zechariah 11: 14 Then I broke my second staff called Union, breaking the family bond between Judah and Israel. Now read the next passage where the tribes are reunited eternally.
From biblegateway.com Ezekiel 37:One Nation Under One King

15 The word of the Lord came to me: 16 “Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, ‘Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.’ Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, ‘Belonging to Joseph (that is, to Ephraim) and all the Israelites associated with him.’ 17 Join them together into one stick so that they will become one in your hand.
18 “When your people ask you, ‘Won’t you tell us what you mean by this?’ 19 say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph—which is in Ephraim’s hand—and of the Israelite tribes associated with him, and join it to Judah’s stick. I will make them into a single stick of wood, and they will become one in my hand.’ 20 Hold before their eyes the sticks you have written on 21 and say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God. Here's where God talks about Judah being separated from the rest. Zechariah 11: 14 Then I broke my second staff called Union, breaking the family bond between Judah and Israel.

This is why Christ is the vine. These are branches. From Revelation 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, Notice the remnants of Ephraim have been merged from the prophecy uttered by God in Ezekiel 37.

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Well then,

will you in short words explain to people on GLP and me why you mean that I am stupid?

As regards Zech 11:14, I hope you admit it to happen in NT time. So, where is historical Israel?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

Please, if you can, prove that I am so stupid as you say, in spite of me already having proved you wrong? Do you want me to bring it up to your shame what you have said of great stupidity earlier, or what is your aim in your blindness of not realizing that God's true witness is opposing you?

Take the bite and grind your teeth, if you dare!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 50460689


Jesus Christ is the one calling himself a vine and a "TRUE" vine at that. What's your argument with? The word? How much more ignorance and arrogance can you present to do that?

As far as historical Israel is concerned, how do you decide what to do with it? If the Kingdoms of the world are made the Kingdom of God at the 7th trumpet then how do you explain the flesh being put back on the valley of bones in Ezekiel 37 when flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God? But... they are clearly made flesh again..... and man is appointed to die only once. And he calls these people his people, Israel.
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Why can you not shut up and stop your stupid posts? Jesus is the Branch, namely first and foremost in his man child through whom He returns to fight and destroy the Antichrist.

Otherwise He is definitely not a branch but the stem and the TREE OF LIFE. But, since He is the life in the branches it is possible to say that he is the Branch, otherwise not.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
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You are the one that is stupid. Your soapbox that you shout from is looking pretty rickety. Here's more scripture for you to argue with. That should speak volumes like everything I have confronted your perversion with.
From biblegateway.com NIV John 15:The Vine and the Branches

15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

I think Jesus Christ means it. He called himself a vine twice in that passage and not only that but the "TRUE" vine. These words are not uttered by me, but words for the flock to live by from our Savior. So do you argue with Jesus Christ as to what he is?


In reference to jeremiah 23, Zerubabbel is shown half the branch because of this.
Here's where God talks about Judah being separated from the rest. Zechariah 11: 14 Then I broke my second staff called Union, breaking the family bond between Judah and Israel. Now read the next passage where the tribes are reunited eternally.
From biblegateway.com Ezekiel 37:One Nation Under One King

15 The word of the Lord came to me: 16 “Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, ‘Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.’ Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, ‘Belonging to Joseph (that is, to Ephraim) and all the Israelites associated with him.’ 17 Join them together into one stick so that they will become one in your hand.
18 “When your people ask you, ‘Won’t you tell us what you mean by this?’ 19 say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph—which is in Ephraim’s hand—and of the Israelite tribes associated with him, and join it to Judah’s stick. I will make them into a single stick of wood, and they will become one in my hand.’ 20 Hold before their eyes the sticks you have written on 21 and say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God. Here's where God talks about Judah being separated from the rest. Zechariah 11: 14 Then I broke my second staff called Union, breaking the family bond between Judah and Israel.

This is why Christ is the vine. These are branches. From Revelation 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, Notice the remnants of Ephraim have been merged from the prophecy uttered by God in Ezekiel 37.

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000
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Well then,

will you in short words explain to people on GLP and me why you mean that I am stupid?

As regards Zech 11:14, I hope you admit it to happen in NT time. So, where is historical Israel?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

Please, if you can, prove that I am so stupid as you say, in spite of me already having proved you wrong? Do you want me to bring it up to your shame what you have said of great stupidity earlier, or what is your aim in your blindness of not realizing that God's true witness is opposing you?

Take the bite and grind your teeth, if you dare!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 50460689


Jesus Christ is the one calling himself a vine and a "TRUE" vine at that. What's your argument with? The word? How much more ignorance and arrogance can you present to do that?

As far as historical Israel is concerned, how do you decide what to do with it? If the Kingdoms of the world are made the Kingdom of God at the 7th trumpet then how do you explain the flesh being put back on the valley of bones in Ezekiel 37 when flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God? But... they are clearly made flesh again..... and man is appointed to die only once. And he calls these people his people, Israel.
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Why do you ask me whom you say is so stupid?

Those who are of God knows that there is only ONE tree of life, and nevertheless there are mentioned many trees of life in Rev 22:2:

(...) on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits
 Quoting: The Bible


If Jesus Christ is just the only tree of life how can he be so many trees of life on either side of the river, as seen in Rev 22:2?

So, again I ask you, if He is the "netzer", or branch, in Isa 11:1, how can He be the stem? If you have any good answer to me, who you call stupid, then come on!

Greetings from
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You are the one that is stupid. Your soapbox that you shout from is looking pretty rickety. Here's more scripture for you to argue with. That should speak volumes like everything I have confronted your perversion with.
From biblegateway.com NIV John 15:The Vine and the Branches

15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.

I think Jesus Christ means it. He called himself a vine twice in that passage and not only that but the "TRUE" vine. These words are not uttered by me, but words for the flock to live by from our Savior. So do you argue with Jesus Christ as to what he is?


In reference to jeremiah 23, Zerubabbel is shown half the branch because of this.
Here's where God talks about Judah being separated from the rest. Zechariah 11: 14 Then I broke my second staff called Union, breaking the family bond between Judah and Israel. Now read the next passage where the tribes are reunited eternally.
From biblegateway.com Ezekiel 37:One Nation Under One King

15 The word of the Lord came to me: 16 “Son of man, take a stick of wood and write on it, ‘Belonging to Judah and the Israelites associated with him.’ Then take another stick of wood, and write on it, ‘Belonging to Joseph (that is, to Ephraim) and all the Israelites associated with him.’ 17 Join them together into one stick so that they will become one in your hand.
18 “When your people ask you, ‘Won’t you tell us what you mean by this?’ 19 say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am going to take the stick of Joseph—which is in Ephraim’s hand—and of the Israelite tribes associated with him, and join it to Judah’s stick. I will make them into a single stick of wood, and they will become one in my hand.’ 20 Hold before their eyes the sticks you have written on 21 and say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. 22 I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms. 23 They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God. Here's where God talks about Judah being separated from the rest. Zechariah 11: 14 Then I broke my second staff called Union, breaking the family bond between Judah and Israel.

This is why Christ is the vine. These are branches. From Revelation 7:4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, Notice the remnants of Ephraim have been merged from the prophecy uttered by God in Ezekiel 37.

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Well then,

will you in short words explain to people on GLP and me why you mean that I am stupid?

As regards Zech 11:14, I hope you admit it to happen in NT time. So, where is historical Israel?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

Please, if you can, prove that I am so stupid as you say, in spite of me already having proved you wrong? Do you want me to bring it up to your shame what you have said of great stupidity earlier, or what is your aim in your blindness of not realizing that God's true witness is opposing you?

Take the bite and grind your teeth, if you dare!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 50460689


Jesus Christ is the one calling himself a vine and a "TRUE" vine at that. What's your argument with? The word? How much more ignorance and arrogance can you present to do that?

As far as historical Israel is concerned, how do you decide what to do with it? If the Kingdoms of the world are made the Kingdom of God at the 7th trumpet then how do you explain the flesh being put back on the valley of bones in Ezekiel 37 when flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God? But... they are clearly made flesh again..... and man is appointed to die only once. And he calls these people his people, Israel.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Why do you ask me whom you say is so stupid?

Those who are of God knows that there is only ONE tree of life, and nevertheless there are mentioned many trees of life in Rev 22:2:

(...) on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits
 Quoting: The Bible


If Jesus Christ is just the only tree of life how can he be so many trees of life on either side of the river, as seen in Rev 22:2?

So, again I ask you, if He is the "netzer", or branch, in Isa 11:1, how can He be the stem? If you have any good answer to me, who you call stupid, then come on!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 50460689




You remind of the fat kid who couldn't play dodge ball very well in grade school. He could dish it out, but he couldn't take it.

Here's where God talks about "a" tree of life. From biblegateway.com NIV To the Church in Ephesus
Revelation
2 “To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands. 2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3 You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.
4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. 6 But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
Note the tree of life was also in the middle of the Garden of Eden. Again a singular interpretation from Genesis 2:8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
The Trees of Life are in New Jerusalem are on both sides of the river of life. That is a different realm. Old Heaven and earth flee. Revelation 22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

As far as Isaiah 11:1 is concerned, what is the truth, the life and the way? Who spoke in John 15? The first reference is to a dead olive tree. The new life comes from the root. It springs forth. There is a reason that Christ prayed at Mount of Olives often, why the Olivet Discourse was given, why it is the first tree mentioned in the parable of the trees in Judges 9 and why the two witnesses are referred to as two olive trees and lampstands.

Olive oil has no smell when burning. It cannot light without a wick. It goes out when the lamp is turned over. The olive tree typically last 70 years. From Christ' birth to the destruction of the second temple was 70 years. From 1948 to 2018 is 70 years as well. How long was babylonian occupation?
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Christ is the root from the stem of Jesse. The BRANCH is Joshua and Zerubbabel, priest and king, the 144,000. The two witnesses are 2 of these.
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Well then,

will you in short words explain to people on GLP and me why you mean that I am stupid?

As regards Zech 11:14, I hope you admit it to happen in NT time. So, where is historical Israel?

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

Please, if you can, prove that I am so stupid as you say, in spite of me already having proved you wrong? Do you want me to bring it up to your shame what you have said of great stupidity earlier, or what is your aim in your blindness of not realizing that God's true witness is opposing you?

Take the bite and grind your teeth, if you dare!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 50460689


Jesus Christ is the one calling himself a vine and a "TRUE" vine at that. What's your argument with? The word? How much more ignorance and arrogance can you present to do that?

As far as historical Israel is concerned, how do you decide what to do with it? If the Kingdoms of the world are made the Kingdom of God at the 7th trumpet then how do you explain the flesh being put back on the valley of bones in Ezekiel 37 when flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God? But... they are clearly made flesh again..... and man is appointed to die only once. And he calls these people his people, Israel.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Why do you ask me whom you say is so stupid?

Those who are of God knows that there is only ONE tree of life, and nevertheless there are mentioned many trees of life in Rev 22:2:

(...) on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits
 Quoting: The Bible


If Jesus Christ is just the only tree of life how can he be so many trees of life on either side of the river, as seen in Rev 22:2?

So, again I ask you, if He is the "netzer", or branch, in Isa 11:1, how can He be the stem? If you have any good answer to me, who you call stupid, then come on!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 50460689




You remind of the fat kid who couldn't play dodge ball very well in grade school. He could dish it out, but he couldn't take it.

Here's where God talks about "a" tree of life. From biblegateway.com NIV To the Church in Ephesus
Revelation
2 “To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands. 2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3 You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.
4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. 6 But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God. Note the tree of life was also in the middle of the Garden of Eden. Again a singular interpretation from Genesis 2:8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
The Trees of Life are in New Jerusalem are on both sides of the river of life. That is a different realm. Old Heaven and earth flee. Revelation 22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

As far as Isaiah 11:1 is concerned, what is the truth, the life and the way? Who spoke in John 15? The first reference is to a dead olive tree. The new life comes from the root. It springs forth. There is a reason that Christ prayed at Mount of Olives often, why the Olivet Discourse was given, why it is the first tree mentioned in the parable of the trees in Judges 9 and why the two witnesses are referred to as two olive trees and lampstands.

Olive oil has no smell when burning. It cannot light without a wick. It goes out when the lamp is turned over. The olive tree typically last 70 years. From Christ' birth to the destruction of the second temple was 70 years. From 1948 to 2018 is 70 years as well. How long was babylonian occupation?
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Trees are people. People are trees.
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Jesus Christ is the one calling himself a vine and a "TRUE" vine at that. What's your argument with? The word? How much more ignorance and arrogance can you present to do that?

As far as historical Israel is concerned, how do you decide what to do with it? If the Kingdoms of the world are made the Kingdom of God at the 7th trumpet then how do you explain the flesh being put back on the valley of bones in Ezekiel 37 when flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God? But... they are clearly made flesh again..... and man is appointed to die only once. And he calls these people his people, Israel.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Why do you ask me whom you say is so stupid?

Those who are of God knows that there is only ONE tree of life, and nevertheless there are mentioned many trees of life in Rev 22:2:

(...) on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits
 Quoting: The Bible


If Jesus Christ is just the only tree of life how can he be so many trees of life on either side of the river, as seen in Rev 22:2?

So, again I ask you, if He is the "netzer", or branch, in Isa 11:1, how can He be the stem? If you have any good answer to me, who you call stupid, then come on!

Greetings from
PehJeshuah
 Quoting: PehJeshuah 50460689




You remind of the fat kid who couldn't play dodge ball very well in grade school. He could dish it out, but he couldn't take it.

Here's where God talks about "a" tree of life. From biblegateway.com NIV To the Church in Ephesus
Revelation
2 “To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:
These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands. 2 I know your deeds, your hard work and your perseverance. I know that you cannot tolerate wicked people, that you have tested those who claim to be apostles but are not, and have found them false. 3 You have persevered and have endured hardships for my name, and have not grown weary.
4 Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken the love you had at first. 5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place. 6 But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God. Note the tree of life was also in the middle of the Garden of Eden. Again a singular interpretation from Genesis 2:8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
The Trees of Life are in New Jerusalem are on both sides of the river of life. That is a different realm. Old Heaven and earth flee. Revelation 22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

As far as Isaiah 11:1 is concerned, what is the truth, the life and the way? Who spoke in John 15? The first reference is to a dead olive tree. The new life comes from the root. It springs forth. There is a reason that Christ prayed at Mount of Olives often, why the Olivet Discourse was given, why it is the first tree mentioned in the parable of the trees in Judges 9 and why the two witnesses are referred to as two olive trees and lampstands.

Olive oil has no smell when burning. It cannot light without a wick. It goes out when the lamp is turned over. The olive tree typically last 70 years. From Christ' birth to the destruction of the second temple was 70 years. From 1948 to 2018 is 70 years as well. How long was babylonian occupation?
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Trees are people. People are trees.
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If you think so, then this part of the bible should be of particular interest to you. Apparently, certain things hold the thoughts of men. This was declared from the Mount Gerizim (means mountain of shame). Note the fig speaks at 9:11. "Hangover 3" had a restaurant named "fig and olive" and the character at the end looked like baphomet as a hermaphrodite. [link to www.caughtonset.com]
From biblegateway.com Judges 9
The Parable of the Trees

7 Now when they told Jotham, he went and stood on top of Mount Gerizim, and lifted his voice and cried out. And he said to them:

“Listen to me, you men of Shechem,
That God may listen to you!
8 “The trees once went forth to anoint a king over them.
And they said to the olive tree,
‘Reign over us!’
9 But the olive tree said to them,
‘Should I cease giving my oil,
With which they honor God and men,
And go to sway over trees?’
10 “Then the trees said to the fig tree,
‘You come and reign over us!’
11 But the fig tree said to them,
‘Should I cease my sweetness and my good fruit,
And go to sway over trees?’
Matthew 21: Jesus Curses a Fig Tree
18 Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19 Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.
20 When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. “How did the fig tree wither so quickly?” they asked.
21 Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.” Did Christ kill the root of evil by turning the Temple's moneychangers tables over the day before? The love of money is the root of evil which would be on what tree? Tree of knowledge? DId Christ go back to the beginning where Adam and Eve took the original sin from? I think so. Realize he spoke to a tree and the disciples heard it and recorded it in two different gospels. Witnesses work in tandem at least.
Back to Judges 9
12 “Then the trees said to the vine,
‘You come and reign over us!’
13 But the vine said to them,
‘Should I cease my new wine,
Which cheers both God and men,
And go to sway over trees?’
Hmmm... from Matthew 26: 27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29 I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom.”
30 When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.
Now back to Judges 9
14 “Then all the trees said to the bramble,
‘You come and reign over us!’
15 And the bramble said to the trees,
‘If in truth you anoint me as king over you,
Then come and take shelter in my shade;
But if not, let fire come out of the bramble
And devour the cedars of Lebanon!’
Exodus 3:Moses and the Burning Bush
Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the far side of the wilderness and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. 3 So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.” Did the cleansing process in the restoration of the Kingdom start then?
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Christ is the root from the stem of Jesse. The BRANCH is Joshua and Zerubbabel, priest and king, the 144,000. The two witnesses are 2 of these.
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Why do you not listen to Scripture? There is just one "the Branch" and definitely no more in number!

Joshua and Zerubbabel cannot be the Branch, and there is no basis in Scripture for saying it. And they are not the 144.000 either.

The two witnesses in Rev 11:3 are NOT included in the number of 144000, for that number of people are not included as the two people said in Scripture to be ONE PIECE WITH THE MERCY SEAT, those two about whom Jesus himself speaks to the mother of the sons of Zebedee in Mat 20:20-23:

Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
 Quoting: The Bible


Therefore, do not make up twistings of Scripture that will ruin you instead of keeping yourself closely to it.

Do not, please, make yourself an enemy of truth!

Greetings from
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