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My grandmothers breast cancer has came back for the 3rd time. she wants to try the natural way now. any advice?

 
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 Quoting: calin


I'm not stupid enough to post who I am on a forum such as this. Just as you haven't.
And it's pretty obvious that you're not a medical professional.
However it's also pretty obvious you're involved with the selling of salvestrols.

However, currently I'm working for a charity-funded cancer research institution just outside of Cambridge. My qualifications include an MSc in cardiac physiology and a PhD in pharma-kinetics.
Whether you believe that is entirely up to you.

Now on to the science, I'll start with our old friend baking soda.
Baking soda is good for a few things, one remedy it used to be used for widely was to relieve heartburn. It does this as it neutralises stomach acid-hydrochloric acid (HCl). However in doing this it also neutralises itself. Baking soda is sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) so the chemical reaction goes like this
NaHCO3 + HCL = NaCL + H2O + CO2 i.e. the baking soda is plus acid is converted into common salt (NaCl), water (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2 which is why a lot of people burp after ingesting it).
There is no sodium bicarbonate left to be absorbed into the body. The stomach acts as a buffer to prevent this.
Now you can alter your body's pH directly with a base but you have to inject it intravenously. I really wouldn't recommend this at all though as you can kill yourself very easily. This procedure needs to be constantly monitored by professionals and is generally only used in life or death situations.
The link you provided about soda bic altering the near state of cancer cells was interesting but what you need to understand is that not only was this a computer simulation it was a computer simulation in vitro.
There are plenty of common compounds (paracetamol's my favourite) that either halt or slow cancer growth or kill the cells in vitro. However when these are applied in the real world they're ineffective. Especially when ingested.

To go back to what I posted earlier though and this is THE most important physiological aspect of altering your body's pH...ALL of your body's cells would react to a change in pH levels. Doesn't matter whether it was too acidic or too alkiline. Out of the "goldilocks" pH range your cells start to function abnormally and will then start to die.
That's all of your cells, not just cancer cells.

On to salvestrols (did you know that Salvestrol is a registered trademark?.....you can't make money off plants and herbs though can you?)

Irrespective of the fact that some newspaper articles cite salvestrols as a wonder drug (conveniently printed as "references" in a book promoting them...)all of the scientific publications refer to salvestrol's cancer fighting properties have been done in lab situations (see above for paracetamol). None have been carried out after subjects have ingested them.
Not one peer-reviewed scientific paper has been published to support this.
Although there are plenty of unsupported "case studies"...

If it sounds like a duck etc.

Now I would suggest that the best salvestrols can do is mimic part of a healthy diet. As we all know, a healthy diet is good for you and to a limited extent can HELP PREVENT certain types of cancers.
What a healthy diet CANNOT do is cure you of cancer.
That is physiologically impossible.


As for my "lack of resources"; I'm not the one promoting any miracle wonder-cure for cancer, you are.
Therefore if you wish to keep things scientific, the burden of proof is entirely upon you.

However I have proved the inability of NaHCO3 to alter the body's pH by ingestion and I have also challenged your claims regarding the scientific studies for the ingestion of salvestrol.

So Mr Salesman, it's over to you.
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I don't wish to engage in this kind of hostility. It proves nothing. I don't not sell anything. Utter nonsense!
 Quoting: calin


Don't engage in the "hostility" then, debate the points raised.
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Or won't you debate as you can't delete posts in this thread can you?
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I'm sure by now she is willing to try anything, so i am.
 Quoting: ClassicalConspiracy


I've studied this stuff for a LONG time. Here are some basic facts.

*ALL* Cancer patients are magnesium deficient. I am not talking about blood serum levels, I am talking about what is inside the cell. It can take months to get that Mg into the cell, so.. Magnesium Citrate is what you want *not* Magnesium Oxide. Your body can hardly absorb the oxide variant.

Broccoli - Rich in Magnesium and also rich in compounds that are anti-carcinogens. Start eating a head a day. However you can do it, blend it in a blender and add berries or whatever.

Ginger - Ginger is HIGHLY potent against killing tumors, and will also greatly give a person increased tolerance if they are taking Chemotherapy. She needs to ingest as much of this as she can.

Vitamin D - Google Vitamin D Council and do your reading. People are *very* deficient in this Vitamin, and it activates over 5% of your DNA or 2000 genes are activated.

Budwig Protocol - go to any Mcgavins or Wal-mart and buy cold pressed flax oil, eat with cottage cheese in a bowl which is high in sulphur which will recharge the depleted cells so they can recharge properly.

Grass - Yes, grass out of your yard, the cure for cancer is growing in front of your house. In the video A world Without Cancer they illustrated that Bears in the wild almost never developed Cancer, yet Bears in captivity developed at the same rate as humans.. why? The bears in the wild had access to grass, the bears in captivity did not. Grass is rich in the FDA banned B-17 or Laetrile. Laetrile is a harmless molecule which doesn't really do much inside your body - until it comes in contact with a Cancer cell. Once in contact it breaks down into cyanide and kills that cancer cell. You can also obtain lots of laetrile from apple seeds and apricot seeds. That is WHY it says in the bible you are to eat the seed of the fruit. Not such a dumb book after all is it?

Cabbage - Cabbage was used to cure Cancer in the 1950's. Scientists figured it must have a unique mineral or compound that was killing the cancer tumors. So they isolated it to vitamin U. When subsequent tests were conducted Vitamin U did little to cure cancer. Why? Because the cancer patients were simply mineral deprived, they needed more nutrients, and cabbage with it's high load in minerals and nutrients resupplied their depleted bodies. Then their bodies kicked in and did the work for them!

Cinnamon - Check out Dr Tulio Simoncini (google him) he's curing cancer by injecting Baking Soda directly into the tumor and that ALL TUMORS have CANDIDA YEAST INFECTIONS. If we are taking lots of antibiotics in our diets (feed lot additives) we kill our natural bacterial. That natural bacteria keeps out yeast infections. However by simply taking a 1/4 cup of cinnamon mixed in chocolate milk in the morning with a meal (I do this all the time) it is EXTREMELY anti-septic. It means it kills out unwanted bacteria, unwanted yeasts, intestinal flukes all kinds of things, not to mention the bowel cleanse that you can derive from it.

Finally relax! There are 100's of things you can do and many of them work. The above listed protocols are VERY POTENT if you do all of them... If your just sprinkling a little ginger in the soup, or a bit of cinnamon on your toast your not going to cure anything. You need to take a lot of the things listed, use quantity.

Cut out all sugars, tumors love sugar. That means a Low Glycemic Index Diet. Aka no pastas, potatoes, rice, and no processed sugars (cakes etc etc).. Eat vegetables and lean meats (fish / tuna etc).

BUT HERE IS WHERE MOST PEOPLE FAIL.

1. They do not believe that the above mentioned protocols work, they are highly psychologically conditioned to expect instant results (aka radiate the tumor or slice it out with a knife). If it takes 6 weeks to loose 10 lbs, why would one expect a tumor to shrink overnight. This takes some consistent effort.

2. People get overwhelmed by all the options. They feel that their diets as they have had them in the past are sufficient, that they ate right. Remember it takes up to 3 months to get the sufficient Magnesium INTO the cells. Our mineral intakes for some of us is only 1/20 what it was 100 years ago as compared to our ancestors. It means spend the $15 bucks BUY the Magnesium Citrate Take 1/2 a gram a day of it. Eat a head of broccoli a day, eat a pile of pile of cabbage a day. Take half a ginger root every day, cut up a bin of grass into small cutting and blender it, drink the concentrated juices. Do what you can you'll be surprised in a few months when the tumor is almost gone.
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Kangen water - 9.5 alkaline and Protandim. I know from experience since I've had BC.
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I agree with a previous post. Cancer thrives in a high sugar diet.
There is a fruit called Soursop that is 10,000 times more powerful to kill cancer than chemo.
Also, turmuric (a common kitchen spice) works on killing cancer.
Again, I agree about staying positive & believing in these alternative therapies.
God gave us plants like Soursop or Turmuric for our health.
God bless
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I have heard some good things about baking soda also, i do not know if it works on cancer but what if it does? it is worth a shot
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Hash Oil- not hemp oil
 Quoting: onlyonenina


Whole plant cannabis extract, to be precise.

If she decides to use this PM me about how to slowly increase the dose to avoid side effects. Some folks get put off it by taking too much the first time.

The sort of improvement she can expect with whole plant cannabis extract is pain relief, improved mood, and increased appetite.

It really helps with sleep, without suppressing respiration.
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I'm sure by now she is willing to try anything, so i am.
 Quoting: ClassicalConspiracy


I've studied this stuff for a LONG time. Here are some basic facts.

*ALL* Cancer patients are magnesium deficient. I am not talking about blood serum levels, I am talking about what is inside the cell. It can take months to get that Mg into the cell, so.. Magnesium Citrate is what you want *not* Magnesium Oxide. Your body can hardly absorb the oxide variant.

Broccoli - Rich in Magnesium and also rich in compounds that are anti-carcinogens. Start eating a head a day. However you can do it, blend it in a blender and add berries or whatever.

Ginger - Ginger is HIGHLY potent against killing tumors, and will also greatly give a person increased tolerance if they are taking Chemotherapy. She needs to ingest as much of this as she can.

Vitamin D - Google Vitamin D Council and do your reading. People are *very* deficient in this Vitamin, and it activates over 5% of your DNA or 2000 genes are activated.

Budwig Protocol - go to any Mcgavins or Wal-mart and buy cold pressed flax oil, eat with cottage cheese in a bowl which is high in sulphur which will recharge the depleted cells so they can recharge properly.

Grass - Yes, grass out of your yard, the cure for cancer is growing in front of your house. In the video A world Without Cancer they illustrated that Bears in the wild almost never developed Cancer, yet Bears in captivity developed at the same rate as humans.. why? The bears in the wild had access to grass, the bears in captivity did not. Grass is rich in the FDA banned B-17 or Laetrile. Laetrile is a harmless molecule which doesn't really do much inside your body - until it comes in contact with a Cancer cell. Once in contact it breaks down into cyanide and kills that cancer cell. You can also obtain lots of laetrile from apple seeds and apricot seeds. That is WHY it says in the bible you are to eat the seed of the fruit. Not such a dumb book after all is it?

Cabbage - Cabbage was used to cure Cancer in the 1950's. Scientists figured it must have a unique mineral or compound that was killing the cancer tumors. So they isolated it to vitamin U. When subsequent tests were conducted Vitamin U did little to cure cancer. Why? Because the cancer patients were simply mineral deprived, they needed more nutrients, and cabbage with it's high load in minerals and nutrients resupplied their depleted bodies. Then their bodies kicked in and did the work for them!

Cinnamon - Check out Dr Tulio Simoncini (google him) he's curing cancer by injecting Baking Soda directly into the tumor and that ALL TUMORS have CANDIDA YEAST INFECTIONS. If we are taking lots of antibiotics in our diets (feed lot additives) we kill our natural bacterial. That natural bacteria keeps out yeast infections. However by simply taking a 1/4 cup of cinnamon mixed in chocolate milk in the morning with a meal (I do this all the time) it is EXTREMELY anti-septic. It means it kills out unwanted bacteria, unwanted yeasts, intestinal flukes all kinds of things, not to mention the bowel cleanse that you can derive from it.

Finally relax! There are 100's of things you can do and many of them work. The above listed protocols are VERY POTENT if you do all of them... If your just sprinkling a little ginger in the soup, or a bit of cinnamon on your toast your not going to cure anything. You need to take a lot of the things listed, use quantity.

Cut out all sugars, tumors love sugar. That means a Low Glycemic Index Diet. Aka no pastas, potatoes, rice, and no processed sugars (cakes etc etc).. Eat vegetables and lean meats (fish / tuna etc).

BUT HERE IS WHERE MOST PEOPLE FAIL.

1. They do not believe that the above mentioned protocols work, they are highly psychologically conditioned to expect instant results (aka radiate the tumor or slice it out with a knife). If it takes 6 weeks to loose 10 lbs, why would one expect a tumor to shrink overnight. This takes some consistent effort.

2. People get overwhelmed by all the options. They feel that their diets as they have had them in the past are sufficient, that they ate right. Remember it takes up to 3 months to get the sufficient Magnesium INTO the cells. Our mineral intakes for some of us is only 1/20 what it was 100 years ago as compared to our ancestors. It means spend the $15 bucks BUY the Magnesium Citrate Take 1/2 a gram a day of it. Eat a head of broccoli a day, eat a pile of pile of cabbage a day. Take half a ginger root every day, cut up a bin of grass into small cutting and blender it, drink the concentrated juices. Do what you can you'll be surprised in a few months when the tumor is almost gone.
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Apart from most of your facts being gleaned from Google one alarming thing you mention is "Dr" Tulio Simoncini curing cancer with his soda bic injections.
Use him at your peril.

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OP - Please be very careful about the advice you find on GLP about alternative treatments for cancer. There are many different kinds of cancer. Some of these alternative treatments will actually encourage some cancers. I too am battling cancer, again. Even oncologists lose loved ones to cancer. The two women I know who decided to go the "natural" route very quickly got worse and died. One was the wife of a Chiropractor. She suffered terribly. Improved chemo, radiation, and a host of other meds are keeping people alive and functioning well for years, sometimes many years. For some, not all, pharmaceuticals are allowing a cancer patient to be treated as one with a chronic disease as opposed to a terminal one. I know of several people who claim to have been cured by various natural treatments and upon close questioning find they were never diagnosed with cancer to begin with. They just "knew" they had it. Please be careful risking your grandmothers life with advice found on GLP.
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OP - Please be very careful about the advice you find on GLP about alternative treatments for cancer. There are many different kinds of cancer. Some of these alternative treatments will actually encourage some cancers. I too am battling cancer, again. Even oncologists lose loved ones to cancer. The two women I know who decided to go the "natural" route very quickly got worse and died. One was the wife of a Chiropractor. She suffered terribly. Improved chemo, radiation, and a host of other meds are keeping people alive and functioning well for years, sometimes many years. For some, not all, pharmaceuticals are allowing a cancer patient to be treated as one with a chronic disease as opposed to a terminal one. I know of several people who claim to have been cured by various natural treatments and upon close questioning find they were never diagnosed with cancer to begin with. They just "knew" they had it. Please be careful risking your grandmothers life with advice found on GLP.
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then what chemo drug do you advise that won't cause more cancer or kill her?
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OP - Please be very careful about the advice you find on GLP about alternative treatments for cancer. There are many different kinds of cancer. Some of these alternative treatments will actually encourage some cancers. I too am battling cancer, again. Even oncologists lose loved ones to cancer. The two women I know who decided to go the "natural" route very quickly got worse and died. One was the wife of a Chiropractor. She suffered terribly. Improved chemo, radiation, and a host of other meds are keeping people alive and functioning well for years, sometimes many years. For some, not all, pharmaceuticals are allowing a cancer patient to be treated as one with a chronic disease as opposed to a terminal one. I know of several people who claim to have been cured by various natural treatments and upon close questioning find they were never diagnosed with cancer to begin with. They just "knew" they had it. Please be careful risking your grandmothers life with advice found on GLP.
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then what chemo drug do you advise that won't cause more cancer or kill her?
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Why should she advise anything?

That's the problem on here, too many people think they're experts after a bit of Googling or after watching a couple of Youtube videos.
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I have heard some good things about baking soda also, i do not know if it works on cancer but what if it does? it is worth a shot
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Yup. It alkallizes tissues. Urine ph is more alkaline. Always take on empty stomach at least an hour away from meals.

I’ve heard intermittent fasting is good for the body. It will heal while not having to digest all the time.

Use as many remedies together as you want. Even if you use allopathic as well.
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Didn’t look to see how old thread is. Wonder how grandma did.
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Black Salve... research it and check out the you tube videos people have made using it... awesome stuff!

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Not good advice for most especially someone grandma age. Black salve creates lots of necrosis and subsequent infection. Grandma's body and immune system has already been weakened by a couple rounds of chemo and/or radiation.

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haha. Why is it so difficult to look at thread dates? Hope grandma fared well.

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