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Iceland‘s Crowd-Sourced Constitution Killed by Parliament

 
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"Following its spectacular plunge from grace in 2008 when its banking system crashed, inflicting huge damage on foreign creditors as well as on local residents, Iceland caught attention for trying to come to grips with what happened by bringing court cases against bankers and others allegedly responsible for the crash as well as for inviting the people of Iceland and its directly elected representatives to draft a new post-crash constitution designed inter alia to reduce the likelihood of another crash..."

"n sum, it was clear that in a secret ballot the constitutional bill would never have had a chance of being adopted by parliament, not even after the national referendum on the bill on 20 October 2012 where 67% of the electorate expressed their support for the bill as well as for its main individual provisions, including national ownership of natural resources (83% said Yes), direct democracy (73% said Yes), and ‘one person, one vote’ (67% said Yes). But the parliament does not vote in secret. In fact, 32 out of 63 members of parliament were induced by an e-mail campaign organized by ordinary citizens to declare that they supported the bill and wanted to adopt it now. Despite these public declarations, however, the bill was not brought to a vote in the parliament, a heinous betrayal – and probably also an illegal act committed with impunity by the president of the parliament..."
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Why did the politicians let it get this far and then stop it, I wonder.

Crowd-sourcing may be good or bad for a document like this.

Ruling by plebesite has a spotty history.

Iceland is such a beautiful place, I too hope they find a way.
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time for a wood shampoo. Obviously offshore interests have their ear.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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POlitical Parasites; Delay, DELAY and MAYBE it will go AWAY !

NOTHING NEW there or HERE !
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Crap. the leftist coalition with around 20% popular support tried to hijack the constitution. Broad support is needed to change a constitution. A few bunch of radicals tried to make a new constitution based on their minority ideas. They failed.

If you put most of the major decisions being made around the world concerning, finance, banks, structing of new world order to popular vote : the decision by the people would never agree with what is being done. Democracy is being killed.
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"Following its spectacular plunge from grace in 2008 when its banking system crashed, inflicting huge damage on foreign creditors as well as on local residents, Iceland caught attention for trying to come to grips with what happened by bringing court cases against bankers and others allegedly responsible for the crash as well as for inviting the people of Iceland and its directly elected representatives to draft a new post-crash constitution designed inter alia to reduce the likelihood of another crash..."

"n sum, it was clear that in a secret ballot the constitutional bill would never have had a chance of being adopted by parliament, not even after the national referendum on the bill on 20 October 2012 where 67% of the electorate expressed their support for the bill as well as for its main individual provisions, including national ownership of natural resources (83% said Yes), direct democracy (73% said Yes), and ‘one person, one vote’ (67% said Yes). But the parliament does not vote in secret. In fact, 32 out of 63 members of parliament were induced by an e-mail campaign organized by ordinary citizens to declare that they supported the bill and wanted to adopt it now. Despite these public declarations, however, the bill was not brought to a vote in the parliament, a heinous betrayal – and probably also an illegal act committed with impunity by the president of the parliament..."
 Quoting: pink cat


Told ya so. Dont matter who you put in...democrats, conservatives, fascists, nazis, islamists, jeebus, god, communists, mother theresa...our global-social economy (not devils, illuminati, aliens, evil bankers or other such nonsense) is the hidden hand that guides us.
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Parlamentary elections comming up in Iceland 27th of this month. The first in 4 years. Huge changes expected according to polls. Leftist parties being ousted by an overwhelming shift to the right.
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"Following its spectacular plunge from grace in 2008 when its banking system crashed, inflicting huge damage on foreign creditors as well as on local residents, Iceland caught attention for trying to come to grips with what happened by bringing court cases against bankers and others allegedly responsible for the crash as well as for inviting the people of Iceland and its directly elected representatives to draft a new post-crash constitution designed inter alia to reduce the likelihood of another crash..."

"n sum, it was clear that in a secret ballot the constitutional bill would never have had a chance of being adopted by parliament, not even after the national referendum on the bill on 20 October 2012 where 67% of the electorate expressed their support for the bill as well as for its main individual provisions, including national ownership of natural resources (83% said Yes), direct democracy (73% said Yes), and ‘one person, one vote’ (67% said Yes). But the parliament does not vote in secret. In fact, 32 out of 63 members of parliament were induced by an e-mail campaign organized by ordinary citizens to declare that they supported the bill and wanted to adopt it now. Despite these public declarations, however, the bill was not brought to a vote in the parliament, a heinous betrayal – and probably also an illegal act committed with impunity by the president of the parliament..."
 Quoting: pink cat

Harry Reid's brother, Olaf Reid, is president of the parliament.
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Parlamentary elections comming up in Iceland 27th of this month. The first in 4 years. Huge changes expected according to polls. Leftist parties being ousted by an overwhelming shift to the right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8598974


On cue! Once the right are installed, Iceland will be brought back on stream into the capital conduit. The left will periodically make an appearance in the ebb and flow of this process.

I stand amazed at the way these forces follow through naturally. Fascinating!
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Told ya so. Dont matter who you put in...democrats, conservatives, fascists, nazis, islamists, jeebus, god, communists, mother theresa...our global-social economy (not devils, illuminati, aliens, evil bankers or other such nonsense) is the hidden hand that guides us.
 Quoting: Marxist


This!

Screw the political class, and the Banksters and Corporate scum that makes life a misery for most of us.

We could all be living in paradise. Everyone. But these greedy swines spoil it for everyone, everywhere.

abomb and start again!
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Told ya so. Dont matter who you put in...democrats, conservatives, fascists, nazis, islamists, jeebus, god, communists, mother theresa...our global-social economy (not devils, illuminati, aliens, evil bankers or other such nonsense) is the hidden hand that guides us.
 Quoting: Marxist


This!

Screw the political class, and the Banksters and Corporate scum that makes life a misery for most of us.

We could all be living in paradise. Everyone. But these greedy swines spoil it for everyone, everywhere.

abomb and start again!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20253056


Correct. Confusion is the name of the game. As a social system, we alternately swing between greed and charity, whether in the elite or with labour.

With Iceland and now Cyprus, I merely see bumps on the road to the globalisation of this social-economy.

We have to go through this process...it is the anvil that will eventually shape our collective consciousness.
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Parlamentary elections comming up in Iceland 27th of this month. The first in 4 years. Huge changes expected according to polls. Leftist parties being ousted by an overwhelming shift to the right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8598974


On cue! Once the right are installed, Iceland will be brought back on stream into the capital conduit. The left will periodically make an appearance in the ebb and flow of this process.

I stand amazed at the way these forces follow through naturally. Fascinating!
 Quoting: Marxist


I do not agree. The leftist government for 4 years gave in to all IMF demands and foreign bank demands. Its only aim to enter the EU.

Prior to this government, Iceland had already defaulted on all foreign banks but all local accounts where protected. Since then we are on schedule to compensate ALL foreign savings accounts investors 100%.

The biggest losers on Iceland where deutsche bank and like.
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"Following its spectacular plunge from grace in 2008 when its banking system crashed, inflicting huge damage on foreign creditors as well as on local residents, Iceland caught attention for trying to come to grips with what happened by bringing court cases against bankers and others allegedly responsible for the crash as well as for inviting the people of Iceland and its directly elected representatives to draft a new post-crash constitution designed inter alia to reduce the likelihood of another crash..."

"n sum, it was clear that in a secret ballot the constitutional bill would never have had a chance of being adopted by parliament, not even after the national referendum on the bill on 20 October 2012 where 67% of the electorate expressed their support for the bill as well as for its main individual provisions, including national ownership of natural resources (83% said Yes), direct democracy (73% said Yes), and ‘one person, one vote’ (67% said Yes). But the parliament does not vote in secret. In fact, 32 out of 63 members of parliament were induced by an e-mail campaign organized by ordinary citizens to declare that they supported the bill and wanted to adopt it now. Despite these public declarations, however, the bill was not brought to a vote in the parliament, a heinous betrayal – and probably also an illegal act committed with impunity by the president of the parliament..."
 Quoting: pink cat

Harry Reid's brother, Olaf Reid, is president of the parliament.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23554071


Is that true? Are they really brothers?
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Parlamentary elections comming up in Iceland 27th of this month. The first in 4 years. Huge changes expected according to polls. Leftist parties being ousted by an overwhelming shift to the right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8598974


On cue! Once the right are installed, Iceland will be brought back on stream into the capital conduit. The left will periodically make an appearance in the ebb and flow of this process.

I stand amazed at the way these forces follow through naturally. Fascinating!
 Quoting: Marxist


I do not agree. The leftist government for 4 years gave in to all IMF demands and foreign bank demands. Its only aim to enter the EU.

Prior to this government, Iceland had already defaulted on all foreign banks but all local accounts where protected. Since then we are on schedule to compensate ALL foreign savings accounts investors 100%.

The biggest losers on Iceland where deutsche bank and like.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8598974


Lets try and summarise that. The forces of global capital, comprised as they are in all the institutuiions of trade, export and financial services, seek to draw countries into larger frameworks in the march to globalism. In the meantime, governments suffering the turmoil of Cold War largesse seek to undo the credit deficit by a variety of means in a bid to preserve trust in the system.

Some options involve the left in a bid to cap labour unrest (Iceland, Portugal, US etc etc.) Other options include the right in a bid to ensure earlier gains are consolidated (Germany, UK etc).

Once countries are reinstated after a period of left interventionism, the right make a comeback to continue the project.

But like I said, these are agnostic forces. You are of course torn by a desire to be relieved of this process and must go whither you want. Nothing I say will make an iota of difference.
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Few facts about Iceland :

Officialy founded by common parliament (Althing) in 930 AD.

Known as Ultima Thule in Platos writings.

Settled between 874 and 930 by norwegians, along with many from british Isles.

Major blood group is O

Natural ally of the US

Eiríkur Leifsson born in Iceland was the first european to walk about in north America.

Pop : 320.000
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The Masons own Iceland....and should be outlawed.
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The traps of democracy.
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The Masons own Iceland....and should be outlawed.
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Do they? Proof?
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Few facts about Iceland :

Officialy founded by common parliament (Althing) in 930 AD.

Known as Ultima Thule in Platos writings.

Settled between 874 and 930 by norwegians, along with many from british Isles.

Major blood group is O

Natural ally of the US

Eiríkur Leifsson born in Iceland was the first european to walk about in north America.

Pop : 320.000
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8598974


And the beautiful small horses of Iceland, the 5-gaited horses so amazingly strong.....

This will not let me get a photo, but go to Bing images, Icelandic pony, and see these mythical creatures...
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It's impossible to prevent banks from collapsing.

That is all they do.
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Parlamentary elections comming up in Iceland 27th of this month. The first in 4 years. Huge changes expected according to polls. Leftist parties being ousted by an overwhelming shift to the right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8598974

the world is watching Iceland. I hope the strong vikings take their country back from the pigs
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They jailed a few dishonest Politicians before , maybe time to throw a few more in if they vote against the wishes of the voters. Do the jail thing for any Politician who makes campaign promises and doesn't follow through..
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Few facts about Iceland :

Officialy founded by common parliament (Althing) in 930 AD.

Known as Ultima Thule in Platos writings.

Settled between 874 and 930 by norwegians, along with many from british Isles.

Major blood group is O

Natural ally of the US

Eiríkur Leifsson born in Iceland was the first european to walk about in north America.

Pop : 320.000
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8598974


And the beautiful small horses of Iceland, the 5-gaited horses so amazingly strong.....

This will not let me get a photo, but go to Bing images, Icelandic pony, and see these mythical creatures...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167778


snorre sagas is worth a read although i am sure lots is lost in translation. go VIKINGS
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Few facts about Iceland :

Officialy founded by common parliament (Althing) in 930 AD.

Known as Ultima Thule in Platos writings.

Settled between 874 and 930 by norwegians, along with many from british Isles.

Major blood group is O

Natural ally of the US

Eiríkur Leifsson born in Iceland was the first european to walk about in north America.

Pop : 320.000
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8598974


when i was young living in europe i became friends with a family from Iceland. they worked hard played hard and would give you the shirt off their back. top class people and this was in the 80's
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... .and ‘one person, one vote’ (67% said Yes). .
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Ok, how did the other third of the voters think it should be and how many times did they each cast a vote on this issue?
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They jailed a few dishonest Politicians before , maybe time to throw a few more in if they vote against the wishes of the voters. Do the jail thing for any Politician who makes campaign promises and doesn't follow through..
 Quoting: MHz


The voters want a right wing government according to a Norwegian poster (deregulation will follow and the banks will eventually be rehabilitated...as minimalism government and free business is a conservative ambition). So I guess we lock up the voters, hey.
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Greece: Solution is simple:
1. restore independence
- currency
- constitution
- borders control.

2. Regain control of what is possible among the assets that greek traitors transfered to illuminati accounts (real estate, firms)

3. Seek protection under Russia's shield from NATziO bombs

see archived reply at
[link to web.archive.org]
 Quoting: THE SIMPLE TRUTH 37336965


Nationalism is no longer working for those who own the means of production in your country, so this will not fly.
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It feels good to be on a thread with some decency and integrity.
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"Following its spectacular plunge from grace in 2008 when its banking system crashed, inflicting huge damage on foreign creditors as well as on local residents, Iceland caught attention for trying to come to grips with what happened by bringing court cases against bankers and others allegedly responsible for the crash as well as for inviting the people of Iceland and its directly elected representatives to draft a new post-crash constitution designed inter alia to reduce the likelihood of another crash..."

"n sum, it was clear that in a secret ballot the constitutional bill would never have had a chance of being adopted by parliament, not even after the national referendum on the bill on 20 October 2012 where 67% of the electorate expressed their support for the bill as well as for its main individual provisions, including national ownership of natural resources (83% said Yes), direct democracy (73% said Yes), and ‘one person, one vote’ (67% said Yes). But the parliament does not vote in secret. In fact, 32 out of 63 members of parliament were induced by an e-mail campaign organized by ordinary citizens to declare that they supported the bill and wanted to adopt it now. Despite these public declarations, however, the bill was not brought to a vote in the parliament, a heinous betrayal – and probably also an illegal act committed with impunity by the president of the parliament..."
 Quoting: pink cat


Told ya so. Dont matter who you put in...democrats, conservatives, fascists, nazis, islamists, jeebus, god, communists, mother theresa...our global-social economy (not devils, illuminati, aliens, evil bankers or other such nonsense) is the hidden hand that guides us.
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Fuck off troll
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"Following its spectacular plunge from grace in 2008 when its banking system crashed, inflicting huge damage on foreign creditors as well as on local residents, Iceland caught attention for trying to come to grips with what happened by bringing court cases against bankers and others allegedly responsible for the crash as well as for inviting the people of Iceland and its directly elected representatives to draft a new post-crash constitution designed inter alia to reduce the likelihood of another crash..."

"n sum, it was clear that in a secret ballot the constitutional bill would never have had a chance of being adopted by parliament, not even after the national referendum on the bill on 20 October 2012 where 67% of the electorate expressed their support for the bill as well as for its main individual provisions, including national ownership of natural resources (83% said Yes), direct democracy (73% said Yes), and ‘one person, one vote’ (67% said Yes). But the parliament does not vote in secret. In fact, 32 out of 63 members of parliament were induced by an e-mail campaign organized by ordinary citizens to declare that they supported the bill and wanted to adopt it now. Despite these public declarations, however, the bill was not brought to a vote in the parliament, a heinous betrayal – and probably also an illegal act committed with impunity by the president of the parliament..."
 Quoting: pink cat


Told ya so. Dont matter who you put in...democrats, conservatives, fascists, nazis, islamists, jeebus, god, communists, mother theresa...our global-social economy (not devils, illuminati, aliens, evil bankers or other such nonsense) is the hidden hand that guides us.
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jerkitYou are so stupid it actually hurts
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"Following its spectacular plunge from grace in 2008 when its banking system crashed, inflicting huge damage on foreign creditors as well as on local residents, Iceland caught attention for trying to come to grips with what happened by bringing court cases against bankers and others allegedly responsible for the crash as well as for inviting the people of Iceland and its directly elected representatives to draft a new post-crash constitution designed inter alia to reduce the likelihood of another crash..."

"n sum, it was clear that in a secret ballot the constitutional bill would never have had a chance of being adopted by parliament, not even after the national referendum on the bill on 20 October 2012 where 67% of the electorate expressed their support for the bill as well as for its main individual provisions, including national ownership of natural resources (83% said Yes), direct democracy (73% said Yes), and ‘one person, one vote’ (67% said Yes). But the parliament does not vote in secret. In fact, 32 out of 63 members of parliament were induced by an e-mail campaign organized by ordinary citizens to declare that they supported the bill and wanted to adopt it now. Despite these public declarations, however, the bill was not brought to a vote in the parliament, a heinous betrayal – and probably also an illegal act committed with impunity by the president of the parliament..."
 Quoting: pink cat


Told ya so. Dont matter who you put in...democrats, conservatives, fascists, nazis, islamists, jeebus, god, communists, mother theresa...our global-social economy (not devils, illuminati, aliens, evil bankers or other such nonsense) is the hidden hand that guides us.
 Quoting: Marxist


Fuck off troll
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19681600


Back at ya!
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