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# COMET C2012/S1 ISON : COMA/TAIL OF OVER 64,400 KM [UPDATE]

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COMET C2012/S1 ISON : COMA/TAIL OF OVER 64,400 KM [UPDATE]
alright guys I measured it and heres what I got ..

the arc minute on the SWIFT image was 60 mm [millimeters] and the comet itself [nucleus, no coma] was 9 mm

so its one arc second per milimeter or 9 arc seconds

so using this NASA MATH DONE ON COMET ENCKE

THEY CONCLUDE..[im posting this so you can check mymath too :)]

problem 5
. the comet in the math lesson was 114 million KM away and at that distance each arc minute was 33,000 km

so here it states on the NASA article

Swift's observations in January were made at a distance of 604 million kilometres (375 million miles) from Earth

??cross mutiply??

114,000,000 604,000,000
--- ---
33,000 x

or 19932000000000 = 114,000,000 [X]

X = 174842.10526315789473684210526316 KM PER ARC MINUTE AND I MEASURED IT FROM THE PHOTO AT 9 MM OUT OF 60

so at .15 arc minute we get a maximum measured value of

174,842 [times] 0.15

to get a whopping 26226.315789473684210526315789465

or an apparent measured diameter of

26,226 KM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK DID I DO IT RIGHT...measured it onscreen with my Silva ranger!!!

so comet diameter of 26,226 km !!!!!!

or 5km in the article ?

Quoting: rphunter

ALRIGHT
just for comparison I remeasured it so heres the other calcs...

8 mm = 23312.280701754385964912280701747 or 23,312 KM

7 MM = 20398.245614035087719298245614028 OR 20,398 KM

6 MM = 17484.21052631578947368421052631 OR 17,484 KM

WHAT DOES IT MEASURE TO YOU?

ALSO DR VAN FLANDERN [NAVAL OBSERVATORY] HAD A EQUATION THAT ROUGHLY DEFINES TEH SPHERE OF INFLUENCE OF AN OBJECT IN SPACE WHICH IS THE DIAMETER IN KM , TIMES THE DISTANCE FROM THE SUN IN A.U. SO TAKE

604,000,000 KM [DIVIDED BY ] AU = 149,597,870.700 km

= 4.0374906218501410795815558356072 OR 4.03 A.U. [TIMES] 23,312 KM WOULD GIVE A COMPANION CAPABLE "SPHERE OF INFLUENCE " [CAN HOLD LESSER MASSES IN ORBIT WITHIN A SPHERE OF ] 94121.981376570488847205229639676 OR A SPHERE OF DIAMETER 94,121 KM AT MAXIMUM
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I have double checked your calcs and they are on. You are not the first to make these and come to the same conclusion. I used the same standardized and accepted method to conclude the coma of NEAT was roughly slightly larger than Earth before it began producing a coma and I was flamed by over two dozen shills simultaneously on this forum and at least 30 on Phil Plaits "BAD ASStronomy" forum. i was subsequently banned , apparently for proving my point and proving them all lairs..

Couple that with NASA's own insistence that ISON is not producing a coma and the conclusion is this is the approximate actual diameter of the object.
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THANKS FOR THE BUMP ... IM TRYING TO GET ANY SCIENTIFIC INPUT ON THE MATH THING...
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Let me page Dr.Astro...

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neebooboo?
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for review of the math.
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Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicst 1350433

It's not a comet.

A 'comet' has a specific definition and they originate inside our own solar system. I believe this object has a similar composition to a comet though it is probably more 'dirt' than "snowball', but it does not originate from inside our solar system, is not following a trajectory indicating it does, and apparently is not behaving at all like an ordinary comet.

It is also much larger than any comet ever observed.
quote anon astrophysicist

NEAT was of similar composition i believe and it was bigger than Earth. At the time of it's nearest approach to the Sun it's coma was larger than the Sun itself, just to give you an idea of the show we can expect. When ISON gets to within the orbital distance of Mars it will be almost as if there is another Sun, IT WILL BE VISIBLE AT MID DAY AND ILLUMINATE THE EARTH AT NIGHT..

It is most likely trailing hundreds if not thousands of potentially Earth impactors with it. We have no idea at this point in time how close it will come to Earth.

end Quoting: Anonymous astrophysicst 1350433

I JUST WANTED IT LISTED HERE FOR HISTORY

OH NO ! In mr Van Flandrins [deceased] book he makes real clear that the "shrinking sphere of influence " will release orbital objects as it nears the sun!

chapter 10 do comets have Satellites?

Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets: Paradoxes Resolved, Origins Illuminated Second Edition

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Come on...

Do math...

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You arent measuring the nucleus. You are measuring the coma which is anywhere from 10,000 to 1,000,000 times the diameter of the nucleus.
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Just one any....

The first symptom of stupidity is to think that we already know everything...

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NO DUDE ITS 4 A.U. AWAY , WHICH IS TO FAR FOR IT TO EXIBIT A SOLAR INITIATED COMA ...
YOU DID NOT LOOKAT THE IMAGE DID YOU OR MEASURE IT .. OR READ THE THREAD ..

IF IT MEASURES ONLY 6 MM ACROSS THATS 17,000 KM

THE SWIFT SATELLITE HERE [link to www.nasa.gov]

Typically, a comet's water content remains frozen until it comes within about three times Earth's distance to the sun. While Swift's UVOT cannot detect water directly, the molecule quickly breaks into hydrogen atoms and hydroxyl (OH) molecules when exposed to ultraviolet sunlight. The UVOT detects light emitted by hydroxyl and other important molecular fragments as well as sunlight reflected from dust.

IN THE IMAGE YOU CAN MEASURE IT YOUR SELF USE A RULLER ANS CROSS MULTIPLY ....
You arent measuring the nucleus. You are measuring the coma which is anywhere from 10,000 to 1,000,000 times the diameter of the nucleus.
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Da fuq

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NO DUDE ITS 4 A.U. AWAY , WHICH IS TO FAR FOR IT TO EXIBIT A SOLAR INITIATED COMA ...
YOU DID NOT LOOKAT THE IMAGE DID YOU OR MEASURE IT .. OR READ THE THREAD ..

IF IT MEASURES ONLY 6 MM ACROSS THATS 17,000 KM

THE SWIFT SATELLITE HERE [link to www.nasa.gov]

Typically, a comet's water content remains frozen until it comes within about three times Earth's distance to the sun. While Swift's UVOT cannot detect water directly, the molecule quickly breaks into hydrogen atoms and hydroxyl (OH) molecules when exposed to ultraviolet sunlight. The UVOT detects light emitted by hydroxyl and other important molecular fragments as well as sunlight reflected from dust.

IN THE IMAGE YOU CAN MEASURE IT YOUR SELF USE A RULLER ANS CROSS MULTIPLY ....
You arent measuring the nucleus. You are measuring the coma which is anywhere from 10,000 to 1,000,000 times the diameter of the nucleus.
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Quoting: rphunter

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what are you smoking?

The Jan. 30 UVOT observations reveal that ISON was shedding about 112,000 pounds (51,000 kg) of dust, or about two-thirds the mass of an unfueled space shuttle, every minute. By contrast, the comet was producing only about 130 pounds (60 kg) of water every minute, or about four times the amount flowing out of a residential sprinkler system.

"The mismatch we detect between the amount of dust and water produced tells us that ISON's water sublimation is not yet powering its jets because the comet is still too far from the sun," Bodewits said. "Other more volatile materials, such as carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide ice, evaporate at greater distances and are now fueling ISON's activity."

While the water and dust production rates are relatively uncertain because of the comet's faintness, they can be used to estimate the size of ISON's icy body. Comparing the amount of gas needed for a normal comet to blow off dust at the rate observed for ISON, the scientists estimate that the nucleus is roughly 3 miles (5 km) across, a typical size for a comet. This assumes that only the fraction of the surface most directly exposed to the sun, about 10 percent of the total, is actively producing jets.

In addition to this, you can clearly see the beginnings of the comet appearance(coma, tail) in the very image that you yourself are taking your measurment from, and NOT that resembling a solid body alone.
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A 'comet' has a specific definition and they originate inside our own solar system. I believe this object has a similar composition to a comet though it is probably more 'dirt' than "snowball', but it does not originate from inside our solar system, is not following a trajectory indicating it does, and apparently is not behaving at all like an ordinary comet.

It is also much larger than any comet ever observed.
quote anon astrophysicist

NEAT was of similar composition i believe and it was bigger than Earth. At the time of it's nearest approach to the Sun it's coma was larger than the Sun itself, just to give you an idea of the show we can expect. When ISON gets to within the orbital distance of Mars it will be almost as if there is another Sun, IT WILL BE VISIBLE AT MID DAY AND ILLUMINATE THE EARTH AT NIGHT..

It is most likely trailing hundreds if not thousands of potentially Earth impactors with it. We have no idea at this point in time how close it will come to Earth.
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alright guys I measured it and heres what I got ..
...

OK DID I DO IT RIGHT...measured it onscreen with my Silva ranger!!!

...

Quoting: rphunter

No you didnt do it right. Your mistake was pointed out.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35346045

No way a dirty snowball 3 miles wide is going to outshine a full moon.

Go away shill.
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Let me page Dr.Astro...

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Comet ISON - icy traveller?
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Space is 99.9% Plasma, and plasma is HOT, damn HOT.

Initial signs of our galaxy's halo came from the Chandra observatory, which observed eight objects shining brightly in X-ray light, and found that some of this light was being absorbed by charged oxygen atoms around the Milky Way. Scientists determined that this absorbing gas is between 1 million and 2.5 million Kelvin (1.8 million and 4.5 million degrees Fahrenheit) — a few hundred times hotter than the surface of the sun.

It's time once and for all to toss the "icy" comet theory into the bin - The halo around a comet is no different to the northern lights - it it ionized gas glowing from the effects of the sun's magnetism. Common sense is applicable here when I ask you, how without the hand of some god can a comet travel through a plasma rich environment (as quouted above and via the link, 1.8 million and 4.5 million degrees Fahrenheit) and still retain it's ice? BS has come full circle.
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so...doom on or off?
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so...doom on or off?
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patience
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Latest Picture C/2012 S1 IS Object Nibiru (ISON)
As at 1st April 2013 we have moved slightly further away from the comet as Earth swings around the Sun AU distance is 4.193AU

Comet C/2012 S1 (ISON) Head to Tail 25 seconds of arc @ 4.193AU is 76022 km long or 596% of Earth Diameter
Comet C/2012 S1 (ISON) Sphere (Purple Line) 6.25 seconds of arc @ 4.193AU 19005 km diameter or 149% of Earth Diameter

The big motherlover is starting to fatten up nicely!

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sorry about the absence ....I GOT BANNED
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sorry about the absence ....I GOT BANNED
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Why?
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sorry about the absence ....I GOT BANNED
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imagine that
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NO DUDE ITS 4 A.U. AWAY , WHICH IS TO FAR FOR IT TO EXIBIT A SOLAR INITIATED COMA ...
YOU DID NOT LOOKAT THE IMAGE DID YOU OR MEASURE IT .. OR READ THE THREAD ..

IF IT MEASURES ONLY 6 MM ACROSS THATS 17,000 KM

Quoting: rphunter

The BS is in full swing!

For a start a comet can form a coma at around 5 AU from the sun.

Hale–Bopp's orbital position was calculated as 7.2 astronomical units (AU) from the Sun, placing it between Jupiter and Saturn and by far the greatest distance from Earth at which a comet had been discovered by amateurs.Most comets at this distance are extremely faint, and show no discernible activity, but Hale–Bopp already had an observable coma.

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Latest Picture C/2012 S1 IS Object Nibiru (ISON)
As at 1st April 2013 we have moved slightly further away from the comet as Earth swings around the Sun AU distance is 4.193AU

Comet C/2012 S1 (ISON) Head to Tail 25 seconds of arc @ 4.193AU is 76022 km long or 596% of Earth Diameter
Comet C/2012 S1 (ISON) Sphere (Purple Line) 6.25 seconds of arc @ 4.193AU 19005 km diameter or 149% of Earth Diameter

The big motherlover is starting to fatten up nicely!

IMAGE ( [link to i791.photobucket.com] )

Quoting: indigowiz

nice catch!

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Latest Picture C/2012 S1 IS Object Nibiru (ISON)
As at 1st April 2013 we have moved slightly further away from the comet as Earth swings around the Sun AU distance is 4.193AU

Comet C/2012 S1 (ISON) Head to Tail 25 seconds of arc @ 4.193AU is 76022 km long or 596% of Earth Diameter
Comet C/2012 S1 (ISON) Sphere (Purple Line) 6.25 seconds of arc @ 4.193AU 19005 km diameter or 149% of Earth Diameter

The big motherlover is starting to fatten up nicely!

IMAGE ( [link to i791.photobucket.com] )

Quoting: indigowiz

That image looks nothing like a comet with a tail??
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:nibiru:
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JUST AS I WAS POSTING, LIKE 3 A.M. ISH

STILL NO REAL RESPONSE TO THE MEASURED FIGURES EITHER

sorry about the absence ....I GOT BANNED
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Why?
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