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Da fuq User ID: 16258666 United States 04/06/2013 09:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not a religion. In fact you're free to try to debate the evidence presented, but seeing as how you didn't even read it, you're incapable of doing that. Quoting: Dr. Astro Isn't it funny how he keeps going on about how mainstream science is a religion...and yet provides nothing to back up his claims. He simply expects us to believe because he said so...tell me how that doesn't sound like religion? Indeed, all he provides is blind faith. It's a religion of anti-science. Like so many, it demands that the believer actively avoid looking at any evidence that would contradict it. Anyway, I'm off to go look at more evidence that contradicts kooky bullshit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 04/06/2013 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good, read and then we discuss. Quoting: glauco 1) incorrect axiom #1 states that there is only gravity governing the cosmos AND MORE IMPORTANTLY that outer space is universally electrically neutral Yeah, got it. You are one of those "electric universe" cultists. Gravitational and electric fields are both important. No one has excluded one over the other. To say the universe can be explained only by electrical forces is illogical and wrong. No scientist today says that everything can be explained by gravitational forces. Electrical forces are very important in certain contexts, just not all. We know that the solar system is just about electrically neutral. We can measure the charge on the Sun and the Earth. We also know that if solar system objects had significant electrical charges we could not predict the orbits with the precision that we do - the forces between objects would be very different. Outside the solar system we also see objects that follow Newton and Einstein's laws. We do not need to invoke electrical forces when they are not needed. If electrical forces are needed in an explanation, they are used. 2) incorrect axiom #2 states that the solar system began all at one time 4.5 billion years ago No. We do not think that. The solar did start as a single gravitationally bound cloud of dust and gas and then there were different formation periods. 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun That is not incorrect. Comets were (you used the past tense) once thought to be dirty snowballs. That is not the current view. 4) incorrect axiom #4 states that the cause of galactic red shifts is due to movement (they failed to realize there is another source of red shift ... the induced electric dipole red shift) and they incorrectly concluded that the universe must be expanding We do not think that at all. The cause of galactic redshift is cosmological, not the motion of galaxies in the universe. The induced electric dipole ignores other pieces of information, such as independent determination of distance. Cepheid variables distances have been calibrated by direct parallax measurements. Cepheids have been used to determine distances out to 100 million light years. At that point everything fits the gravitational force being the dominate force. If the electrical force were dominate within 100 million light years, we would get inconstancies, we don't. Therefore the electrical force is not the dominate force in the universe. It is not an axiom that the gravitational force is the dominate force, it is an observation. There just isn't any evidence supporting the electrical force being a dominate long range force. Your ad hoc explanations included. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 04/06/2013 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: The Comedian Well, fuckstick, in order to speak to you in terms you have a chance of understanding, I'd have to use two pieces of fruit, and I'd have to promise to give you one of them if you paid attention, otherwise you're likely to eat a booger and look out the window. What's the highest level of mathematics you are comfortable with? One of the features we observe on the sun which have no business being there according to the standard model, are sunspots. The most significant thing about a sunspot, is the fact that center of the sunspot is dark. If the sun is trying to radiate light energy from its core, we should expect that it is bright. If you think about the Umbra, the darkest place in the center of sunspots. That's the place where we can see deepest into the sun. Consider the fact at that point where we can really see down into the sun, that's the absolute coldest place we are able to measure. Mainstream science on TV and what is taught to you in school is not only boring. It's 100% wrong. Let's start here little boy. What is a bigger joke? the comedian or the standard model? Eat shit kid. Beating off in mom basement, that's a fresh one. You're a cool dude. Try again, maybe have astroboy or hydra help you out. hell the human sack of shit is always welcome. Then somewhere astroboys only response to that was a link to some mainstream science shill wesbite where you have to be a member to even read the gay article. People like you are simply illogical. You introduce a topic science related but when someone discusses the topic on a scientific level all you can do is insult. Either discuss on a scientific level or STFU. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 04/06/2013 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Later we discuss the axioms meaning, now let's discuss the axioms? This is a clear indication of what I meant about your logic and not 'owning' anyone. You make no sense at all, are you scratching your own head reading that back? An axiom, or postulate, is a premise or starting point of reasoning. As classically conceived, an axiom is a premise so evident as to be accepted as true without controversy The axioms in science are tested frequently, not merely accepted. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 04/06/2013 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Later we discuss the axioms meaning, now let's discuss the axioms? This is a clear indication of what I meant about your logic and not 'owning' anyone. You make no sense at all, are you scratching your own head reading that back? She wants to discuss the meaning of the word axiom, I want to discuss the axioms itself. If I'm presenting them, for sure I know what an axiom is. So to keep the focus, let's talk about the four axioms and later we discuss the meaning of the word. You guys move the focus all the time. I responded. None of them are axioms. |
Da fuq User ID: 16258666 United States 04/06/2013 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Da fuq One of the features we observe on the sun which have no business being there according to the standard model, are sunspots. The most significant thing about a sunspot, is the fact that center of the sunspot is dark. If the sun is trying to radiate light energy from its core, we should expect that it is bright. If you think about the Umbra, the darkest place in the center of sunspots. That's the place where we can see deepest into the sun. Consider the fact at that point where we can really see down into the sun, that's the absolute coldest place we are able to measure. Mainstream science on TV and what is taught to you in school is not only boring. It's 100% wrong. Let's start here little boy. What is a bigger joke? the comedian or the standard model? Eat shit kid. Beating off in mom basement, that's a fresh one. You're a cool dude. Try again, maybe have astroboy or hydra help you out. hell the human sack of shit is always welcome. Then somewhere astroboys only response to that was a link to some mainstream science shill wesbite where you have to be a member to even read the gay article. People like you are simply illogical. You introduce a topic science related but when someone discusses the topic on a scientific level all you can do is insult. Either discuss on a scientific level or STFU. Where did this little piece of shit AC come from? Is that Astro? Maybe you should read the statement I made then see the comedians response, now read what you just wrote. contradict much? Last Edited by Da fuq on 04/06/2013 10:14 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 04/06/2013 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Da fuq Beating off in mom basement, that's a fresh one. You're a cool dude. Try again, maybe have astroboy or hydra help you out. hell the human sack of shit is always welcome. Then somewhere astroboys only response to that was a link to some mainstream science shill wesbite where you have to be a member to even read the gay article. People like you are simply illogical. You introduce a topic science related but when someone discusses the topic on a scientific level all you can do is insult. Either discuss on a scientific level or STFU. Where did this little piece of shit AC come from? Is that Astro? Maybe you should read the statement I made then see the comedians response, now read what you just wrote. contradict much? You wrote nothing but insults and continue with insults. Discuss without insults or shut up. |
Da fuq User ID: 16258666 United States 04/06/2013 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun "That is not incorrect. Comets were (you used the past tense) once thought to be dirty snowballs. That is not the current view." 1:41* Should I bother going through the rest for you? Last Edited by Da fuq on 04/06/2013 10:24 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 04/06/2013 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun Quoting: Da fuq "That is not incorrect. Comets were (you used the past tense) once thought to be dirty snowballs. That is not the current view." 1:41* :lulz: Should I bother going through the rest for you? You are incapable. Just because one video may say something it does not mean it is the accepted view. Read the current scientific literature and the concept of "dirty snowball" is considered an old concept. |
Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 31033756 Netherlands 04/06/2013 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An Axioms is an unquestionable universal truth, and may be the bases of arguments or theories. It is very used in Physics and Math, IOW you do not know what an axiom is. Unsurprisingly. So to keep the focus, let's talk about the four axioms and later we discuss the meaning of the word. Quoting: glauco First establish they are axioms. 1) incorrect axiom #1 states that there is only gravity governing the cosmos AND MORE IMPORTANTLY that outer space is universally electrically neutral; Not an axiom. 2) incorrect axiom #2 states that the solar system began all at one time 4.5 billion years ago Quoting: glauco Not an axiom. 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun Quoting: glauco Not an axiom. 4) incorrect axiom #4 states that the cause of galactic red shifts is due to movement Quoting: glauco Not an axiom. Look who's talking. Like all woowoos you're in love with the Gish Gallop. Love for what? ... More shit. One of these days you'll start producing evidence. [/sarc] The lecherous Latino Lothario shtick does nothing to for your credibility. It just exposes your bigotry. Again. Credibility =D ?? It is enough for me to have credibility in my family. I'm just a poor Latin American guy. With negative credibility. Why are woowoos so stupid? Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD Every single time they attack the messenger and not the message they demonstrate their inability to deal with the facts. Every single time they do so their credibility sinks even deeper in the negative numbers. So why do they do it? Well, you and your pals do that with me all the time. Pointing out the super-big flaw of your claims, namely their utter lack of evidence, is not an ad hom. Considering your demonstrated disrespect for the truth you shouldn't be surprised people don't believe any claim you make. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
Da fuq User ID: 16258666 United States 04/06/2013 10:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun Quoting: Da fuq "That is not incorrect. Comets were (you used the past tense) once thought to be dirty snowballs. That is not the current view." 1:41* Should I bother going through the rest for you? You are incapable. Just because one video may say something it does not mean it is the accepted view. Read the current scientific literature and the concept of "dirty snowball" is considered an old concept. Nope, that is nasa's standard model. The dirty snowball. You are relieved of your position shill. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 04/06/2013 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The following are the true axioms of astrophysics: 1. The universality of physical laws - physical laws are the same throughout the universe 2. The cosmological principle: On large spatial scales, the Universe is homogeneous and isotropic. 3. The Copernican principle: named after Nicolaus Copernicus, states the Earth is not in a central, specially favored position. 4. The Principle of equivalence - There is no way of distinguishing between the effects on an observer of a uniform gravitational field and of constant acceleration 5. The correspondence principle - The behavior of systems described by the theory of quantum mechanics reproduces classical physics in the limit of large quantum numbers Everything else is derivable from these axioms and, hence, are not axioms. It also does not mean that the axioms cannot be tested. Tests of the universality of physical laws have found that the largest possible deviation of the fine structure constant over the age of the universe is of order 10-5. (A. V. Ivanchik, et al. "The fine-structure constant: a new observational limit on its cosmological variation and some theoretical consequences", Astronomy and Astrophysics 343 (1999) 439.) The isotropy of the universe that defines the Cosmological Principle has been tested to a level of 10-5 and the universe has been measured to be homogeneous on the largest scales to the 10% level. (J. Goodman Physics Review D, 52 (1995) 1821.) There are efforts to test the Copernican Principle by looking at the interaction of galaxy groups and clusters with the CMB through the Sunyaev-Zel'dovich effect to a level of 1% accuracy. Caltech Submillimeter Observatory has a program underway for measuring detail observations of the CMB to look for Sunyaev-Zel'dovich Effect correlations. [C. Horellou, M. Nord, D. Johansson and A. Lévy, Probing the cosmic microwave background temperature using the Sunyaev-Zeldovich effect, Astronomy and Astrophysics, Vol. 441, p.435 (2005)] |
Da fuq User ID: 16258666 United States 04/06/2013 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun Quoting: Da fuq "That is not incorrect. Comets were (you used the past tense) once thought to be dirty snowballs. That is not the current view." 1:41* Should I bother going through the rest for you? You are incapable. Just because one video may say something it does not mean it is the accepted view. Read the current scientific literature and the concept of "dirty snowball" is considered an old concept. 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun Quoting: glauco Not an axiom. -"halcyon" Axiom def, An axiom, or postulate, is a premise or starting point of reasoning. As classically conceived, an axiom is a premise so evident as to be accepted as true without controversy. Endless circles of how stupid you people truly are. Last Edited by Da fuq on 04/06/2013 10:34 AM |
Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 31033756 Netherlands 04/06/2013 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun Quoting: Da fuq "That is not incorrect. Comets were (you used the past tense) once thought to be dirty snowballs. That is not the current view." 1:41* Should I bother going through the rest for you? You are incapable. Just because one video may say something it does not mean it is the accepted view. Read the current scientific literature and the concept of "dirty snowball" is considered an old concept. 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun Quoting: glauco Not an axiom. -"halcyon" Axiom def, An axiom, or postulate, is a premise or starting point of reasoning. As classically conceived, an axiom is a premise so evident as to be accepted as true without controversy. So you agree with me. Than why make so much noise? Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 04/06/2013 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun Quoting: Da fuq "That is not incorrect. Comets were (you used the past tense) once thought to be dirty snowballs. That is not the current view." 1:41* :lulz: Should I bother going through the rest for you? You are incapable. Just because one video may say something it does not mean it is the accepted view. Read the current scientific literature and the concept of "dirty snowball" is considered an old concept. Nope, that is nasa's standard model. The dirty snowball. You are relieved of your position shill. Nope. The Complex Evolution of Comet Nuclei: Evidence from Deep Impact and Stardust-NExT Veverka, J.; Stardust-NExT Science Team American Geophysical Union, Fall Meeting 2011, Abstract Spacecraft exploration of comets is revealing that far from being dirty snowballs that have changed little since their formation 4.6 billion years ago, many comet nuclei have undergone complex evolution. Observations of 9P/Tempel 1 made by Deep Impact (DI) in 2005 and Stardust-NExT (SN) in 2011 provide evidence for diverse geologic processes including the formation of layered structures, the episodic eruption of materials from the interior onto the surface, the formation of pit-like depressions and scarps by sublimation of volatiles, etc. A significant fraction of Tempel 1's activity appears to be associated with the back-wasting of scarps. Scarps on the comet display a variety of morphologies. Comparisons of DI and SN images reveal that the rate of scarp retreat varies from place to place. These observations point to differences in composition and/or texture of surface materials. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 04/06/2013 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun Quoting: Da fuq "That is not incorrect. Comets were (you used the past tense) once thought to be dirty snowballs. That is not the current view." 1:41* :lulz: Should I bother going through the rest for you? You are incapable. Just because one video may say something it does not mean it is the accepted view. Read the current scientific literature and the concept of "dirty snowball" is considered an old concept. 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun Quoting: glauco Not an axiom. -"halcyon" Axiom def, An axiom, or postulate, is a premise or starting point of reasoning. As classically conceived, an axiom is a premise so evident as to be accepted as true without controversy. Endless circles of how stupid you people truly are. Do try to keep up. |
Da fuq User ID: 16258666 United States 04/06/2013 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun Quoting: Da fuq "That is not incorrect. Comets were (you used the past tense) once thought to be dirty snowballs. That is not the current view." 1:41* Should I bother going through the rest for you? You are incapable. Just because one video may say something it does not mean it is the accepted view. Read the current scientific literature and the concept of "dirty snowball" is considered an old concept. Nope, that is nasa's standard model. The dirty snowball. You are relieved of your position shill. Nope. The Complex Evolution of Comet Nuclei: Evidence from Deep Impact and Stardust-NExT Veverka, J.; Stardust-NExT Science Team American Geophysical Union, Fall Meeting 2011, Abstract Spacecraft exploration of comets is revealing that far from being dirty snowballs that have changed little since their formation 4.6 billion years ago, many comet nuclei have undergone complex evolution. Observations of 9P/Tempel 1 made by Deep Impact (DI) in 2005 and Stardust-NExT (SN) in 2011 provide evidence for diverse geologic processes including the formation of layered structures, the episodic eruption of materials from the interior onto the surface, the formation of pit-like depressions and scarps by sublimation of volatiles, etc. A significant fraction of Tempel 1's activity appears to be associated with the back-wasting of scarps. Scarps on the comet display a variety of morphologies. Comparisons of DI and SN images reveal that the rate of scarp retreat varies from place to place. These observations point to differences in composition and/or texture of surface materials. So mainstream science got that wrong, and still follow their model according to this day? What else do you suppose is just made up bullshit for money? astroboy was smart to bounce when he did. Last Edited by Da fuq on 04/06/2013 10:41 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74444 United States 04/06/2013 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1) incorrect axiom #1 states that there is only gravity governing the cosmos AND MORE IMPORTANTLY that outer space is universally electrically neutral; Quoting: glauco Dark Matter is the best example I may expose for this axiom. This was created some decades ago because they realized that the galactic arms are simetric. But these arms stretchs long way out of the galactic nucleous, where there are no gravity to do the simetry. So they created the Dark Matter, which states that more then 97% of the matter of the Universe are made of, and this is the responsible to create the galactic arms. This because they do not consider anything then gravity as formative forces in the cosmos. I personaly don't understand why do we have so gravitational effects in this dark matter, but things gravitates only around "white matter". Do you see the axiom here? 2) incorrect axiom #2 states that the solar system began all at one time 4.5 billion years ago A good example here are the moons and planets spreaded all around the Solar System. The formative process should keep all the bodies in the Solar System turning in the same direction, the clockwise direction. But Uranus do his way in the counter-clockwise direction, and each moon in the Solar System do his own way. Also, Venus is too hot and have too much active volcanoes to have 4.5bi years. It is clearly in its formative process. Also, all the geological process like mountain building must start only after the formative process because astronomers claims that nothing existed before. Can you see the axiom here? 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun We have had five or seven flybys to comets, and none shows any trace of ice in the nucleous, only water in the coma and tail. An axiom example here is comet Lovejoy which the astronomers claims that have only 400m of icy-rock nucleous, but survived for hours in an environment of 2mi degrees Celsius. The axiom were very clear when they had to explain how could ice balls turns into hard cristal inside pockets inside the nucleous of the comet to avoid him to brake itself in parts. This is a magical ice that got stronger after being warmed. But they do not explain how this thing did not melted to his molecules, as any thing so little as this nucleous should do in a so high temperature. This comet got even bigger after passing to this inferno, like a cosmic phoenix. Can you see the axiom here? 4) incorrect axiom #4 states that the cause of galactic red shifts is due to movement (they failed to realize there is another source of red shift ... the induced electric dipole red shift) and they incorrectly concluded that the universe must be expanding. This last one remains due to the sacred Big Bang theory and the first axiom that states that there is no electricity in outer space, so no redshift should occur due to this, correct? See how cyclic is this one? Can you see the axiom here? It is polite to source your quotes, sir. [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com] McCanney's ideas are adored by Young Earth Creationists, but not too many scientists. He's been at this for years, and his Planet-X stuff has pretty much been destroyed along with Nancy Lieder's. [link to www.badastronomy.com] [link to www.badastronomy.com] [link to planet-x.150m.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 04/06/2013 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183 You are incapable. Just because one video may say something it does not mean it is the accepted view. Read the current scientific literature and the concept of "dirty snowball" is considered an old concept. Nope, that is nasa's standard model. The dirty snowball. You are relieved of your position shill. Nope. The Complex Evolution of Comet Nuclei: Evidence from Deep Impact and Stardust-NExT Veverka, J.; Stardust-NExT Science Team American Geophysical Union, Fall Meeting 2011, Abstract Spacecraft exploration of comets is revealing that far from being dirty snowballs that have changed little since their formation 4.6 billion years ago, many comet nuclei have undergone complex evolution. Observations of 9P/Tempel 1 made by Deep Impact (DI) in 2005 and Stardust-NExT (SN) in 2011 provide evidence for diverse geologic processes including the formation of layered structures, the episodic eruption of materials from the interior onto the surface, the formation of pit-like depressions and scarps by sublimation of volatiles, etc. A significant fraction of Tempel 1's activity appears to be associated with the back-wasting of scarps. Scarps on the comet display a variety of morphologies. Comparisons of DI and SN images reveal that the rate of scarp retreat varies from place to place. These observations point to differences in composition and/or texture of surface materials. So mainstream science got that wrong, and still follow their model according to this day? What else do you suppose is just made up bullshit for money? astroboy was smart to bounce when he did. You need to understand the difference between pedagogy and scientific research. Sometimes, for the benefit of explanation, it is important to use an understandable, but incorrect description of something. If you are just going to insult, I am not going to waste my time with you any more. Show you can discuss like an adult or don't bother responding. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 04/06/2013 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So mainstream science got that wrong, and still follow their model according to this day? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183 From the NASA website, a pamphlet called More than Just Dirty Snowballs "Based upon analysis of comet particles captured and returned to Earth by NASA’s Stardust mission, scientists now believe that comets may be much more than simple chunks of water ice, frozen carbon dioxide and dust. Stardust samples contained some high- and low-temperature minerals, suggesting that comets may form in different locations and under a range of conditions." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74444 United States 04/06/2013 11:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So mainstream science got that wrong, and still follow their model according to this day? Quoting: Da fuq Science (and you might hate this) *evolves* with more information and data. It self corrects. Ideas are modified, or discarded when something better comes along that fits the facts and predicts more accurately. Einstein modified Newton, but that doesn't mean Newton doesn't work for what it predicts. |
Da fuq User ID: 16258666 United States 04/06/2013 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1) incorrect axiom #1 states that there is only gravity governing the cosmos AND MORE IMPORTANTLY that outer space is universally electrically neutral; Quoting: glauco Dark Matter is the best example I may expose for this axiom. This was created some decades ago because they realized that the galactic arms are simetric. But these arms stretchs long way out of the galactic nucleous, where there are no gravity to do the simetry. So they created the Dark Matter, which states that more then 97% of the matter of the Universe are made of, and this is the responsible to create the galactic arms. This because they do not consider anything then gravity as formative forces in the cosmos. I personaly don't understand why do we have so gravitational effects in this dark matter, but things gravitates only around "white matter". Do you see the axiom here? 2) incorrect axiom #2 states that the solar system began all at one time 4.5 billion years ago A good example here are the moons and planets spreaded all around the Solar System. The formative process should keep all the bodies in the Solar System turning in the same direction, the clockwise direction. But Uranus do his way in the counter-clockwise direction, and each moon in the Solar System do his own way. Also, Venus is too hot and have too much active volcanoes to have 4.5bi years. It is clearly in its formative process. Also, all the geological process like mountain building must start only after the formative process because astronomers claims that nothing existed before. Can you see the axiom here? 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun We have had five or seven flybys to comets, and none shows any trace of ice in the nucleous, only water in the coma and tail. An axiom example here is comet Lovejoy which the astronomers claims that have only 400m of icy-rock nucleous, but survived for hours in an environment of 2mi degrees Celsius. The axiom were very clear when they had to explain how could ice balls turns into hard cristal inside pockets inside the nucleous of the comet to avoid him to brake itself in parts. This is a magical ice that got stronger after being warmed. But they do not explain how this thing did not melted to his molecules, as any thing so little as this nucleous should do in a so high temperature. This comet got even bigger after passing to this inferno, like a cosmic phoenix. Can you see the axiom here? 4) incorrect axiom #4 states that the cause of galactic red shifts is due to movement (they failed to realize there is another source of red shift ... the induced electric dipole red shift) and they incorrectly concluded that the universe must be expanding. This last one remains due to the sacred Big Bang theory and the first axiom that states that there is no electricity in outer space, so no redshift should occur due to this, correct? See how cyclic is this one? Can you see the axiom here? It is polite to source your quotes, sir. [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com] McCanney's ideas are adored by Young Earth Creationists, but not too many scientists. He's been at this for years, and his Planet-X stuff has pretty much been destroyed along with Nancy Lieder's. [link to www.badastronomy.com] [link to www.badastronomy.com] [link to planet-x.150m.com] [link to www.badastronomy.com] "The Sun is a big ball of gas" Really? next I mean it is a step up from it being a big piece of coal burning in the sky. However a turd is still a turd and you are wrong. You and the high priests of science are wrong. Last Edited by Da fuq on 04/06/2013 11:22 AM |
Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 31033756 Netherlands 04/06/2013 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The following are the true axioms of astrophysics: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36488183 1. The universality of physical laws - physical laws are the same throughout the universe 2. The cosmological principle: On large spatial scales, the Universe is homogeneous and isotropic. 3. The Copernican principle: named after Nicolaus Copernicus, states the Earth is not in a central, specially favored position. 4. The Principle of equivalence - There is no way of distinguishing between the effects on an observer of a uniform gravitational field and of constant acceleration 5. The correspondence principle - The behavior of systems described by the theory of quantum mechanics reproduces classical physics in the limit of large quantum numbers I wouldn't even call those axioms, but very sturdy conclusions based on observation. If science has any axioms they are philosophical. - The Universe exists. - Our observations reflect reality. - The Universe is governed by rules. - These rules can be deduced from observations. - These rules can be understood. That sort of thing. The word axiom shouldn't really be used outside of mathematics where they are true by default. No such thing in the real universe. Than fucking proof it already. Having a tantrum like a spoiled 4-year-old every time people state something you don't want to believe isn't going to convince anyone. It certainly doesn't proof anything. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74444 United States 04/06/2013 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1) incorrect axiom #1 states that there is only gravity governing the cosmos AND MORE IMPORTANTLY that outer space is universally electrically neutral; Quoting: glauco Dark Matter is the best example I may expose for this axiom. This was created some decades ago because they realized that the galactic arms are simetric. But these arms stretchs long way out of the galactic nucleous, where there are no gravity to do the simetry. So they created the Dark Matter, which states that more then 97% of the matter of the Universe are made of, and this is the responsible to create the galactic arms. This because they do not consider anything then gravity as formative forces in the cosmos. I personaly don't understand why do we have so gravitational effects in this dark matter, but things gravitates only around "white matter". Do you see the axiom here? 2) incorrect axiom #2 states that the solar system began all at one time 4.5 billion years ago A good example here are the moons and planets spreaded all around the Solar System. The formative process should keep all the bodies in the Solar System turning in the same direction, the clockwise direction. But Uranus do his way in the counter-clockwise direction, and each moon in the Solar System do his own way. Also, Venus is too hot and have too much active volcanoes to have 4.5bi years. It is clearly in its formative process. Also, all the geological process like mountain building must start only after the formative process because astronomers claims that nothing existed before. Can you see the axiom here? 3) incorrect axiom #3 states that comets were thought to be dirty snow balls that "melt" (sublimate) when near the sun We have had five or seven flybys to comets, and none shows any trace of ice in the nucleous, only water in the coma and tail. An axiom example here is comet Lovejoy which the astronomers claims that have only 400m of icy-rock nucleous, but survived for hours in an environment of 2mi degrees Celsius. The axiom were very clear when they had to explain how could ice balls turns into hard cristal inside pockets inside the nucleous of the comet to avoid him to brake itself in parts. This is a magical ice that got stronger after being warmed. But they do not explain how this thing did not melted to his molecules, as any thing so little as this nucleous should do in a so high temperature. This comet got even bigger after passing to this inferno, like a cosmic phoenix. Can you see the axiom here? 4) incorrect axiom #4 states that the cause of galactic red shifts is due to movement (they failed to realize there is another source of red shift ... the induced electric dipole red shift) and they incorrectly concluded that the universe must be expanding. This last one remains due to the sacred Big Bang theory and the first axiom that states that there is no electricity in outer space, so no redshift should occur due to this, correct? See how cyclic is this one? Can you see the axiom here? It is polite to source your quotes, sir. [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com] McCanney's ideas are adored by Young Earth Creationists, but not too many scientists. He's been at this for years, and his Planet-X stuff has pretty much been destroyed along with Nancy Lieder's. [link to www.badastronomy.com] [link to www.badastronomy.com] [link to planet-x.150m.com] [link to www.badastronomy.com] "The Sun is a big ball of gas" Really? next Your dismissal isn't enough. Ad hominems snipped for brevity. The elemental composition of the sun and any star for that matter is determined from emission and absorption spectra. Each element has a characteristic spectrum. [link to hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu] They can also compare those results to the mass necessary to produce the gravitation effects experienced. You should check out heliosesmiology as well. What evidence could possibly convince you that the traditional descriptions of the Sun are correct? Likewise, what experiment could you propose that would falsify the 'Electric Sun' theory *to you?* Any you could imagine? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 36488183 United States 04/06/2013 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.badastronomy.com] Quoting: Da fuq "The Sun is a big ball of gas" Really? next I mean it is a step up from it being a big piece of coal burning in the sky. However a turd is still a turd and you are wrong. You and the high priests of science are wrong. You really can't discuss without insulting can you. Must be a form of Tourette's. The Sun is not a ball of gas, no one says that. The Sun is a plasma. We know it is fluid like since it exhibits differential rotation. We know it is hot from spectroscopic measurements and we can "feel" the heat. We know the Sun is hotter than the temperature that solids and liquids can survive. We know that the temperature at the surface is beyond the ionization potential of almost all materials. Therefore, the Sun is a plasma. |