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Give up everything and move to Maui?
I am American, currently live in Canada.

Hubby and I have professional jobs, no kids, live in condo and are urbanites.

But we are not fulfilled.

I have been thinking we should drop everything and move to Maui.

Good idea or not?
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Only if you're big into golfing. It's my least favorite of the HI tourist islands.
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Have you checked the cost of living there yet?

I could of had a job on Maui in 1988....I would have needed 3 jobs paying their wage to live in a corrigated shack...
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Native Hawaiians seem to dislike Caucasian Americans. Wouldn't be a good place if SHTF.
In his book, "Between Two Ages," Brzezinski wrote: "The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values."

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These are good points, done of which I had not thought of.

Thanks for the insight!
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Do it! If you decided you don't like Maui, move somewhere else. Don't let anyone tell you what you can or cannot do.
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Each island has it's own personality

if you're "urbanites", Maui and Oahu may apeal to you more as they are more developed and have a nightlife.

I'm on Kauai and can't even imagine living on any of the other islands. We're MUCH slower paced and rural and nightlife is watching sunset and a campfire on the beach.
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Re: Give up everything and move to Maui?
I am American, currently live in Canada.

Hubby and I have professional jobs, no kids, live in condo and are urbanites.

But we are not fulfilled.

I have been thinking we should drop everything and move to Maui.

Good idea or not?
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Knock up the wife.
You are missing that component of children.
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Do it! If you decided you don't like Maui, move somewhere else. Don't let anyone tell you what you can or cannot do.
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After they move to Maui, if they decide they don't like it, they'll be so broke they won't be able to move anywhere else.
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It doesn't matter where you are, what you have or what you are doing, women are never happy. Nothing is ever good enough. There is very little gratitude ever in constant complaining.
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Have you checked the cost of living there yet?

I could of had a job on Maui in 1988....I would have needed 3 jobs paying their wage to live in a corrigated shack...
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The cost of living is high on Maui, but not quite that bad. Anything that has to be shipped in (groceries) are 2 to 3 times more expensive than in North America. But you can shop at Costco and other big boxes and save on that. Gas is about $4.55 a gallon right now, about a $1.00 more than on the Mainland. You can find decent condos for +/- $300,000.

Don't be afraid to move to Maui. It's a good place. Better than most. BTW, no cold weather, good temp. year around, enough of a reason by itself to move from Canada to Maui.

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Have you checked the cost of living there yet?

I could of had a job on Maui in 1988....I would have needed 3 jobs paying their wage to live in a corrigated shack...
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The cost of living is high on Maui, but not quite that bad. Anything that has to be shipped in (groceries) are 2 to 3 times more expensive than in North America. But you can shop at Costco and other big boxes and save on that. Gas is about $4.55 a gallon right now, about a $1.00 more than on the Mainland. You can find decent condos for +/- $300,000.

Don't be afraid to move to Maui. It's a good place. Better than most. BTW, no cold weather, good temp. year around, enough of a reason by itself to move from Canada to Maui.

banana2
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Little bit higher prices here on Kauai. Gas is $4.99/gal and a decent condo is closer to $400,000+
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Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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Native Hawaiians seem to dislike Caucasian Americans. Wouldn't be a good place if SHTF.
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That's not entirely true. An oversimplification of the situation. That is the case more so on Oahu and the Big Island. Less so on Kauai and Maui. Having lived on all of the islands, Maui is the most accepting of Caucasians. Granted, if and when the SHTF, there will be strife on Oahu and the Big Island, maybe even Kauai, but not so much so on Maui.

Don't be fooled, though, Maui does have a little bit of a crime problem. Places to avoid living on Maui for what crime there is and for when the SHTF are: Wailuku, Kahului, North Kihei, Central Kihei, and Lahaina. - South Kihei, Kahana, Napili, Kaanapali, Wailea, and Upcountry are pretty safe, and I think will be OK even when the SHTF.

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A volcanic island chain that's even closer to Fukushima. Not me.

Although I would add, follow your heart, not your mind.
When you ask yourself, "move to Maui?" How does it FEEL in your heart? Feels good, then yes. Heart sinks, then no.
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Yeah screw that dont move to Hawaii radiation levels from Japan will screw you in no time over there, then you'll be really sick
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A volcanic island chain that's even closer to Fukushima. Not me.

Although I would add, follow your heart, not your mind.
When you ask yourself, "move to Maui?" How does it FEEL in your heart? Feels good, then yes. Heart sinks, then no.
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Fukushima is not really a problem for Hawaii. Oregon, Washington, BC and Alaska get more fallout from Fukushima than Hawaii does because Hawaii is usually well south of the path that the fallout is taking (jet stream). Hawaii did get fallout in 2011, but that is done. Only problem is if SFP4 (or one of the other SFPs) drops or permanently loses cooling, then maybe Hawaii could have a problem.

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It doesn't matter where you are, what you have or what you are doing, women are never happy. Nothing is ever good enough. There is very little gratitude ever in constant complaining.
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Don't kid yourself, it does matter where you are.

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It doesn't matter where you are, what you have or what you are doing, women are never happy. Nothing is ever good enough. There is very little gratitude ever in constant complaining.
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Don't kid yourself, it does matter where you are.

cool2
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Very true!

makana
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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Native Hawaiians seem to dislike Caucasian Americans. Wouldn't be a good place if SHTF.
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That's not entirely true. An oversimplification of the situation. That is the case more so on Oahu and the Big Island. Less so on Kauai and Maui. Having lived on all of the islands, Maui is the most accepting of Caucasians. Granted, if and when the SHTF, there will be strife on Oahu and the Big Island, maybe even Kauai, but not so much so on Maui.

Don't be fooled, though, Maui does have a little bit of a crime problem. Places to avoid living on Maui for what crime there is and for when the SHTF are: Wailuku, Kahului, North Kihei, Central Kihei, and Lahaina. - South Kihei, Kahana, Napili, Kaanapali, Wailea, and Upcountry are pretty safe, and I think will be OK even when the SHTF.

abduct
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So how is the crime now compared to the '90's?

I lived in Lahaina (Puamana) from '91 to '02 and am thinking about moving back (Kaanapali to Kapalua) area. I actually drove a taxi while I lived there and never was robbed or had any problems.

Thanks.

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I am American, currently live in Canada.

Hubby and I have professional jobs, no kids, live in condo and are urbanites.

But we are not fulfilled.

I have been thinking we should drop everything and move to Maui.

Good idea or not?
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It depends on a few factors. I live on the Big Island, have for nearly 15 years now, and there are plenty of things to love about it, but the nubmer one thing is the weather. I've lived in a lot of places, and Kona has about the best climate of any place I've been.

The economy here is doing pretty well at the moment. It's based mostly on tourism, but we do have a pretty big ag sector. The demographics are interesting, you'll meet people from all over the world, many of them year-round residents.

If you love ocean sports, surfing, diving, sailing, fishing, or days at the beach, you'll be happy, at least for a while. The average length of stay for a new resident is two years, though, because most people get island fever. If you have the means to travel, at least inter island, it mitigates this problem.

Since you don't have kids, you're in good shape. The schools here are terrible. Our local high school was shut down a couple of month back due to a racially-motivated riot. Turned out to be mostly Marshal Islanders and local kids, as I recall, but the schools are awful.

Among the cons: In the past, we had the highest rate of methamphetamine use in America, ,which of course leads to lots of property crime. We have the highest rate of taxation coupled with the lowest rate of public service in the 50 states. Our legislature is and has always been dominated by very dull-witted, socialist big-spenders that are among the most corrupt and inept politicians in the western world. While we do have some good law enforcement officers, we also have some very bad ones that steal evidence, and even sell meth.

I would personally recommend the Big Island over Maui because we have a smaller population and much more rural lifestyle. Vog from the volcano is a problem but most people find it perfectly tolerable, although inconvenient.

For my family, our move here was a good decision overall, but not without it's frustrations. Let me know if you have questions....
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Do it! If you decided you don't like Maui, move somewhere else. Don't let anyone tell you what you can or cannot do.
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After they move to Maui, if they decide they don't like it, they'll be so broke they won't be able to move anywhere else.
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See? You are already telling them that they are going to be broke. Do you tell yourself that all the time too? That you aren't ever going to make enough money to be able to live in Maui if you wanted to?

People needed to get rid of these thoughts if they ever wanted to be successful and happy.
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things to consider when you move to hawaii. the so called local people hate white people. there is constant mowing, weed wacking, tree trimming, noise pollution. roosters that never shut up. people are flakey.every other house has a dog that barks 24/7. they spray poison everywhere for weed control.herbicides, pesticides,roundup soil and air is contaminated.on maui they still burn sugar cane, so you don't want to live down wind. the ocean is pretty rough we have had too many drownings.good thing about kauai is the golf is cheap to play and you can play all year round. i would rent first until you can find a spot you are comfortable.
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I am American, currently live in Canada.

Hubby and I have professional jobs, no kids, live in condo and are urbanites.

But we are not fulfilled.

I have been thinking we should drop everything and move to Maui.

Good idea or not?
 Quoting: Sick and tired..... 12871471


Yeah, it's a good idea. Better than living in any large city on the Mainland or Canada for when the SHTF, and that ain't too far away. Don't know what your professional jobs are, but you might be able to recreate one or both of them there.

Main problem on Maui is cost of living, but there are ways to minimize that, look for every opportunity to save on Maui, they are there. Go solar PV ASAP, if you can. Later on there may be a problem with access to conveniences, but it will probably be bearable. The society on Maui is cohesive across most socio-economic levels, unlike almost all places in North America. The MPD is also the only professional police force I have been around my whole adult life unlike most modern day PD's, so I think they will be able to handle well (properly) what comes in the years ahead.

Bottom line, I think Maui is going to do OK when the SHTF, although there will be a little added cost-of-living stress in weaning off the $ as it dramatically loses it's value over the next few years while Hawaii is still forced to use it.

Good thing to look forward to, Hawaii may become partially sovereign again (never really lost that sovereignty) in the years ahead as the Mainland crumbles. No worries, though, property rights will still be respected by the Kingdom of Hawaii.

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I am American, currently live in Canada.

Hubby and I have professional jobs, no kids, live in condo and are urbanites.

But we are not fulfilled.

I have been thinking we should drop everything and move to Maui.

Good idea or not?
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My favorite place on earth, Hana. I'm doing whatever I can to get my family in position to move.

I spent last summer there and nearly all tourists leave by early evening. As long as the people living there accept you it's heaven.
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things to consider when you move to hawaii. the so called local people hate white people. there is constant mowing, weed wacking, tree trimming, noise pollution. roosters that never shut up. people are flakey.every other house has a dog that barks 24/7. they spray poison everywhere for weed control.herbicides, pesticides,roundup soil and air is contaminated.on maui they still burn sugar cane, so you don't want to live down wind. the ocean is pretty rough we have had too many drownings.good thing about kauai is the golf is cheap to play and you can play all year round. i would rent first until you can find a spot you are comfortable.
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Hawaiians only hate STUPID haolis

I live with Hawaiians and am about as white as they come
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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A volcanic island chain that's even closer to Fukushima. Not me.

Although I would add, follow your heart, not your mind.
When you ask yourself, "move to Maui?" How does it FEEL in your heart? Feels good, then yes. Heart sinks, then no.
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Fukushima is not really a problem for Hawaii. Oregon, Washington, BC and Alaska get more fallout from Fukushima than Hawaii does because Hawaii is usually well south of the path that the fallout is taking (jet stream). Hawaii did get fallout in 2011, but that is done. Only problem is if SFP4 (or one of the other SFPs) drops or permanently loses cooling, then maybe Hawaii could have a problem.

bonghit
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Don't forget, they were using sea water for cooling and dumping that back into the ocean as well. So it's not just in the air. Also the polar ice caps are melting away incredibly fast, which doesn't necessarily cause sea levels to rise, but causes the seafloor to be pushed down from extra water weight. Causing islands to sink. Plus, just look at EQ's on the ring of fire lately. Tsunami threats are there too. And once again, living around active volcanoes or fault lines just isn't my cup of tea. Just saying. Not Me. Not saying I have lots of fear, just a realist trying to survive. Although, I bet its beautiful and I would love to see Kilauea, just not live there.
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To my Kona friend - can't answer PMs without an upgrade

I'm in Haena, north shore Kauai
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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things to consider when you move to hawaii. the so called local people hate white people. there is constant mowing, weed wacking, tree trimming, noise pollution. roosters that never shut up. people are flakey.every other house has a dog that barks 24/7. they spray poison everywhere for weed control.herbicides, pesticides,roundup soil and air is contaminated.on maui they still burn sugar cane, so you don't want to live down wind. the ocean is pretty rough we have had too many drownings.good thing about kauai is the golf is cheap to play and you can play all year round. i would rent first until you can find a spot you are comfortable.
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Hawaiians only hate STUPID haolis

I live with Hawaiians and am about as white as they come
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you said it,not me. so they must tell you they hate white people.that is what you wrote.that's aloha.i know your situation. you bend over for the locals in haena and they make like they are your friend. i have been through it all.they are friendly as long as you give them money, sinse they spent all theirs on meth and cocaine.
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Native Hawaiians seem to dislike Caucasian Americans. Wouldn't be a good place if SHTF.
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That's not entirely true. An oversimplification of the situation. That is the case more so on Oahu and the Big Island. Less so on Kauai and Maui. Having lived on all of the islands, Maui is the most accepting of Caucasians. Granted, if and when the SHTF, there will be strife on Oahu and the Big Island, maybe even Kauai, but not so much so on Maui.

Don't be fooled, though, Maui does have a little bit of a crime problem. Places to avoid living on Maui for what crime there is and for when the SHTF are: Wailuku, Kahului, North Kihei, Central Kihei, and Lahaina. - South Kihei, Kahana, Napili, Kaanapali, Wailea, and Upcountry are pretty safe, and I think will be OK even when the SHTF.

abduct
 Quoting: Mauibrad


So how is the crime now compared to the '90's?

I lived in Lahaina (Puamana) from '91 to '02 and am thinking about moving back (Kaanapali to Kapalua) area. I actually drove a taxi while I lived there and never was robbed or had any problems.

Thanks.

headbang
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You can monitor the crime on Maui on www.raidsonline.com. I have been for a couple years now. There is very little crime between Kaanapali through Kapalua. Puamana is OK, but there is daily crime from about Shaw Street through the commercial parts of Lahaina town and the lower parts of Lahainaluna and Wahikuli. In the past year there had been a quite a bit of drug dealing and crime at night specifically in the Lahaina Harbor wharf area (to be avoided). On the South side in Kihei, most of the crime seems to emanate from the bars at night at what they call The Triangle at about 1900 S. Kihei Rd. (also to be avoided at night). There is also quite a bit of daily domestic violence in Central and North Kihei residential areas during the day. Far South Kihei and Wailea are OK.

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I am American, currently live in Canada.

Hubby and I have professional jobs, no kids, live in condo and are urbanites.

But we are not fulfilled.

I have been thinking we should drop everything and move to Maui.

Good idea or not?
 Quoting: Sick and tired..... 12871471


Yeah, it's a good idea. Better than living in any large city on the Mainland or Canada for when the SHTF, and that ain't too far away. Don't know what your professional jobs are, but you might be able to recreate one or both of them there.

Main problem on Maui is cost of living, but there are ways to minimize that, look for every opportunity to save on Maui, they are there. Go solar PV ASAP, if you can. Later on there may be a problem with access to conveniences, but it will probably be bearable. The society on Maui is cohesive across most socio-economic levels, unlike almost all places in North America. The MPD is also the only professional police force I have been around my whole adult life unlike most modern day PD's, so I think they will be able to handle well (properly) what comes in the years ahead.

Bottom line, I think Maui is going to do OK when the SHTF, although there will be a little added cost-of-living stress in weaning off the $ as it dramatically loses it's value over the next few years while Hawaii is still forced to use it.

Good thing to look forward to, Hawaii may become partially sovereign again (never really lost that sovereignty) in the years ahead as the Mainland crumbles. No worries, though, property rights will still be respected by the Kingdom of Hawaii.

peace
 Quoting: Mauibrad


Until I had the privilege of getting to know Hawaiians, I didn't understand their pursuit of sovereignty. I get it now.

BTW I also spent a month in Volcano. There is something to the Hawaiian folklore. Just make sure where you move is first blessed and that you ask their spirits permission to live there.That, I know sounds sooooooo silly but after what I experienced first hand. There is alot more to Hawaii than meets the eye.

Hawaiian people are the most wonderful people once they know you respect them and their land.
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Re: Give up everything and move to Maui?
things to consider when you move to hawaii. the so called local people hate white people. there is constant mowing, weed wacking, tree trimming, noise pollution. roosters that never shut up. people are flakey.every other house has a dog that barks 24/7. they spray poison everywhere for weed control.herbicides, pesticides,roundup soil and air is contaminated.on maui they still burn sugar cane, so you don't want to live down wind. the ocean is pretty rough we have had too many drownings.good thing about kauai is the golf is cheap to play and you can play all year round. i would rent first until you can find a spot you are comfortable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11314737


Hawaiians only hate STUPID haolis

I live with Hawaiians and am about as white as they come
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


you said it,not me. so they must tell you they hate white people.that is what you wrote.that's aloha.i know your situation. you bend over for the locals in haena and they make like they are your friend. i have been through it all.they are friendly as long as you give them money, sinse they spent all theirs on meth and cocaine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11314737


You've got issues

I'm not too fond of stupid people either, regardless of race

No, you don't know my situation - the locals in Haena are my "family"

Oh, and yes, some are on ice but so are people of other ethnic groups and it's the Filipinos bringing the damn stuff on the island
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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
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or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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