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Do you support Golden Dawn?

 
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04/10/2013 12:44 PM
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I am not Greek OP so cannot comment, but I do support the right to self-determination...
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04/10/2013 12:59 PM
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In the 1970's and early 1980's Golden Dawn was a small grocery store in Clarion, PA. Always curious about its name. I supported the store!
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04/10/2013 12:59 PM
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We're in big trouble with both of the left and right radicals here.

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hello KETCHUP you fucking know end
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04/10/2013 01:13 PM
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We're in big trouble with both of the left and right radicals here.

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But who do you support? I would really like to know!
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."

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hello KETCHUP you fucking know end
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Ok wtf? XERQ or OT? First FY/PM now this...
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hello KETCHUP you fucking know end
 Quoting: mr jenzie is back 1315216


Ok wtf? XERQ or OT? First FY/PM now this...
 Quoting: catsup


Hey how well has fascism worked in the past? Oh right, it doesn't.
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04/10/2013 01:33 PM
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We're in big trouble with both of the left and right radicals here.

putin
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It hasn't been that long since y'all were living under facism and rock music was illegal. Is the Golden Dawn going to have everyone listening to nothing but Greek Folk Music again? What the heck was your radio like back then, I have always wondered?

An illegal band:

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We're in big trouble with both of the left and right radicals here.

putin
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But who do you support? I would really like to know!
 Quoting: catsup


No one obviously, as most of the Greeks, if you knew Greek politics as much as i or many other Greeks do, you wouldn't support anyone too, there has never been a political party that is not controlled or heavily influenced by foreign interests in Greece for 200 years now, never, when we got independence the political parties weren't even hiding and were blatantly called the French, British and Russian party, it's the same still more or less, everyone falling for a political party in Greece is worthy of his own misery on political and intellectual level.

There is no magical solution here, we need a political cleansing that obviously cannot come with protest vote of radical parties, because that's what both Syriza and GD are, GD had 0,4 in the previous elections and Syriza had 4%, polls show GD now at about 10% and Syriza about 25-30%, this obviously just a protest vote, they are pushing the people to the extremes of the political spectrum and nothing good comes with extremism, balance is desperately needed in this country on all departments and not just politics. We should also not mix patriotism with nationalism, it's not the same.
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We're in big trouble with both of the left and right radicals here.

putin
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


It hasn't been that long since y'all were living under facism and rock music was illegal. Is the Golden Dawn going to have everyone listening to nothing but Greek Folk Music again? What the heck was your radio like back then, I have always wondered?

An illegal band:

[youtube] [link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


And it was one of the most tragic periods of our modern history, the 1967-74 cia coup was installed here to promote the Cyprus partitioning, which is still an open wound for Hellenism. Yeah, certain music genres were banned during the junta, dunno how our radio was tbh, wasn't born yet.

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hello KETCHUP you fucking know end
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Ok wtf? XERQ or OT? First FY/PM now this...
 Quoting: catsup


Hey how well has fascism worked in the past? Oh right, it doesn't.
 Quoting: tank rizzo 2388933


Really Tank? Come on, historically fascism has been amongst the most successful forms of governing and tackling an economy.

I know it failed sometimes like in Chile but the reason it didn't work for Chile at that time was because it was still reeling from the catastrophic damage Allende did under his Marxist reign of terror. When you suffer hyperinflation to the point where your money literally isn't worth the paper it's written on overnight, a fix is not in your near future.

But Germany under the Third Reich was very prosperous, as was Italy, although not nearly as much. I would even argue that Spain under Franco didn't do too bad either.

You have to remember fascism doesn't need a "perfect world" to work because it doesn't have an inbuilt long-term emancipatory goal. Marxism preaches the eventual withering away of the state and the development of a classless society. A priori fascism doesn't really have anything similar. However, fascists have found ways in the past to incorporate a utopian ideal into their ideologies, such as Mussolini's 'New Rome' and Hitler's Final Solution.

So does fascism "work"? I'd argue yes, because it can construct a stable and legitimate, if somewhat authoritarian state in "ordinary" political contexts, without becoming totalitarian and without inbuilt reference to Utopian ideals.

And also Fuck OT!
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We're in big trouble with both of the left and right radicals here.

putin
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


It hasn't been that long since y'all were living under facism and rock music was illegal. Is the Golden Dawn going to have everyone listening to nothing but Greek Folk Music again? What the heck was your radio like back then, I have always wondered?

An illegal band:


 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


I like Greek folk music!
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."

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lol I found out where the harassing SPAM comment came from... My old "friends" from Xerq.net and Offtopic.com...

[link to www.xerq.net]

Talk about stalking!
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04/10/2013 03:13 PM
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I like what they stand for I'm gonna move to Greece and join, by the way I'm Black.

Hello? uh Hello? They hung up.
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I like what they stand for I'm gonna move to Greece and join, by the way I'm Black.

Hello? uh Hello? They hung up.
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Being a black person is OK... But being a black guy in a country that does not want or need immigrants who are black, yellow, whatever is not OK. I'm fine with you and your peoples as long as you don't come and ruin good countries that don't need, want, or can cater to non-white immigrants.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."

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I like what they stand for I'm gonna move to Greece and join, by the way I'm Black.

Hello? uh Hello? They hung up.
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Being a black person is OK... But being a black guy in a country that does not want or need immigrants who are black, yellow, whatever is not OK. I'm fine with you and your peoples as long as you don't come and ruin good countries that don't need, want, or can cater to non-white immigrants.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."

Hunter S. Thompson


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sadly you are misinformed. Immigrants were brought into Europe and America by imperialists for cheap labor now they are 5th generation citizens just like you.

Black Africans were dragged by force to your countries in most cases as chattel slaves. They were the elites in their own lands and lost their fortunes and their lineage. Accept them.


Drugs are controlled by the CIA and the Police fraternal organizations and FORCED on Black communities in lieu of real economic investment.Population control.

Alcohol is controlled by the Federal Government, there are no bootlegging distilleries.

Violence in employed by Whites more than any people on earth. Whole cities are moved to foreign lands to do violence on the natives. ie. Iraq and Afghanistan. Violence is the #1 economic industry of America in the form of weapons sales and "police" actions in foreign lands. We will all be safer if economic development and education are promoted over drugs and violence.
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lol I found out where the harassing SPAM comment came from... My old "friends" from Xerq.net and Offtopic.com...

[link to www.xerq.net]

Talk about stalking!
 Quoting: catsup


Wow, Scotland is lovely! I have no idea what that thread is about, but is that Boleskine?

I will get back on topic. Delighted to hear from a real Greek person on this sensitive issue.

Here is a view from the very far left:


[link to www.isj.org.uk]
The experience of fighting the rise of Golden Dawn is a good example of how the movement—and the revolutionary left inside it—does politics, even if it doesn’t embrace the agenda of entering a “left government”. The successful demonstration of 19 January this year, and the rise of the anti-fascist movement more generally, is a significant political move orchestrated by the Greek anti-capitalist left and with the Socialist Workers Party (SEK) playing a leading role inside it. These factors can have a decisive impact on the political landscape, much more than Syriza’s abstention while waiting for the next electoral battle. Smashing Golden Dawn is now a necessary step in the fight against the government of Samaras, and the stakes are even higher since a new wave of youth radicalisation is mobilising against the fascists and state repression.

Sounds like someone is going to get a head wound?
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I like what they stand for I'm gonna move to Greece and join, by the way I'm Black.

Hello? uh Hello? They hung up.
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Being a black person is OK... But being a black guy in a country that does not want or need immigrants who are black, yellow, whatever is not OK. I'm fine with you and your peoples as long as you don't come and ruin good countries that don't need, want, or can cater to non-white immigrants.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."

Hunter S. Thompson


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sadly you are misinformed. Immigrants were brought into Europe and America by imperialists for cheap labor now they are 5th generation citizens just like you.

Black Africans were dragged by force to your countries in most cases as chattel slaves. They were the elites in their own lands and lost their fortunes and their lineage. Accept them.


Drugs are controlled by the CIA and the Police fraternal organizations and FORCED on Black communities in lieu of real economic investment.Population control.

Alcohol is controlled by the Federal Government, there are no bootlegging distilleries.

Violence in employed by Whites more than any people on earth. Whole cities are moved to foreign lands to do violence on the natives. ie. Iraq and Afghanistan. Violence is the #1 economic industry of America in the form of weapons sales and "police" actions in foreign lands. We will all be safer if economic development and education are promoted over drugs and violence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29918658


Wow aren't you a well read individual? Listen up- they arrived in chains and as far as we are concerned they can leave the same way- WE DO NOT NEED THEM- Get it???
If our ancestors could see us now they would have picked their own damn cotton.
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I like what they stand for I'm gonna move to Greece and join, by the way I'm Black.

Hello? uh Hello? They hung up.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29918658


Being a black person is OK... But being a black guy in a country that does not want or need immigrants who are black, yellow, whatever is not OK. I'm fine with you and your peoples as long as you don't come and ruin good countries that don't need, want, or can cater to non-white immigrants.
"I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me."

Hunter S. Thompson


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sadly you are misinformed. Immigrants were brought into Europe and America by imperialists for cheap labor now they are 5th generation citizens just like you.

Black Africans were dragged by force to your countries in most cases as chattel slaves. They were the elites in their own lands and lost their fortunes and their lineage. Accept them.


Drugs are controlled by the CIA and the Police fraternal organizations and FORCED on Black communities in lieu of real economic investment.Population control.

Alcohol is controlled by the Federal Government, there are no bootlegging distilleries.

Violence in employed by Whites more than any people on earth. Whole cities are moved to foreign lands to do violence on the natives. ie. Iraq and Afghanistan. Violence is the #1 economic industry of America in the form of weapons sales and "police" actions in foreign lands. We will all be safer if economic development and education are promoted over drugs and violence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29918658


Wow aren't you a well read individual? Listen up- they arrived in chains and as far as we are concerned they can leave the same way- WE DO NOT NEED THEM- Get it???
 Quoting: FOTN


clappa
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peace

I stand with you in support of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. :)

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law!

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