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NY SAFE ACT - 75% of NEW YORKERS *Could* BE DISARMED - DRUG LIST INCLUDED... HAVE YOU TAKEN ONE? NOT JUST ANTIDEPRESSANTS!

 
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Fuck this, I'm gonna go drink some Robitussin and think about this...
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We are going to have to decide.

We'll let them do shit like this, and little by little we'll be disarmed.

Or, we're just going to say no and deal with the consequences.
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The bottom line here is that the government - any government - is a creature of THE PEOPLE, and when it no longer serves THE PEOPLE, they have the right to both ignore its dictates and to try to establish a new government. If they keep pushing with this anti-gun shit, it's going to turn many ordinary citizens against this government for good.

If the government ceases to be under the people's control, and is not representative of our interests and desires, then we should simply do whatever the hell we would do any way and ignore their fake "laws". Laws without the consent of the governed are tyranny and worthless.
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Fuck 'em.

I'm not a criminal, I have no record.

They aren't getting my firearms. Period.
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No harm, no crime. Everyone needs to remember these words.
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Actually this may....excuse the pun....backfire on them....as when people realize that in taking the Big Pharma drugs that they are endangering their Constitutional Rights, maybe people will....STOP TAKING THOSE BIG PHARMA DRUGS AND STARVE THOSE BASTARDS OUT!

That would be a positive outgrowth of this type of legislation - the death of Big Pharma and their psycho drugs can only be a good thing.
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I presume alcohol isn't on this list and yet how many crimes are committed under the influence of alcohol? This is just another attempt to criminalize normal Americans and penalize us for following THEIR rules and procedures. FUCK BIG GOVERNMENT AND FUCK BIG PHARMA!!!!
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clappa


that's how to tell with em
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LOL Cough suppressant

"Dextromethophan"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1434674


Holy shit. I'd imagine 80-95% of adults in the united states have taken dextromorphan. For those that don't know, dextromorphan is one of the active ingredients in Nyquil.

Why the fuck is that included? Also kind of odd methadone or subutex/suboxone isn't on the list.
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Also isn't this going discourage people from seeking treatment?
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I have heard that the drug list covers about everyone. No one is safe from the gun grab. Here is the issue that I have. I have many times told my elected officials that the issue isn't the guns, it is the untreated people the ones drugged to the hilt or receiving improper medical treatment. I never thought that politicians would take it this far. Notice they are taking the guns from everyone but still haven't address the real issue of mental illness.
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And here's the kicker:

Thanks to mandated EMRs they now (or will soon) have unfettered access to your medical records. There's no hiding from

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Another reason to avoid the hellth care system, or feed it disinformation.

It is still possible to have a doctor-patient relationship. Forge a friendship outside of the business end first. There are docs who are sympathetic to the cause and hate the System fervently. Find one.

Avoid the hell care System. These paper-shufflers are stooges and no man's friend.
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Ahh so only those with untreated mental illnesses will have the weapons. Brilliant!
 Quoting: Gigolo Jesus


That's my thinking too. If someone is responsible and gets treated. They lose a constitutional right. It's going to put a bigger stigma on mental illness. At first I thought it was just a typical liberal knee jerk reaction. I'm afraid it goes much deeper than this. If it's true.
 Quoting: indiandave


You sign away your constitutional rights (no such thing) on the form , they do nothing to make you do that ... that is a mental illness
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Yeah dextromethorphan is in over-the-counter cold medicine.

I guess if you're prescribed any of these things, it's supposed to end up in your Electronic Health Records (or Electronic Medical Records) and that's in the national database.

Some of these are probably in what they give you for temporary post-surgical pain relief. Including things like removal of tonsils or extraction of teeth, or colonoscopy, or as noted above delivery of a child either vaginally or by Caesarean section. I doubt there's 1 in 100 adults over age 40 who hasn't been taken at least one of the drugs on the list, most even by prescription.

At this point it becomes an incredibly clear violation of the 2nd Amendment, if it's rare under this law to find an adult who still retains the right to keep and bear arms. Cynical as I am, I think the SCOTUS would actually overturn it for that. It's too obvious and unmistakable.
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All vets will be disarmed then.
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you guys should have known this was coming... we have the rates of mental health rates in the world and they are on the rise just like autism. Lets keep the guns away from the mentally ill hahahahah what a joke.
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What they are trying to do, unless you are not thinking like this at all, is taking weapons away from veterans with combat experience so that there are not a bunch of people who know how to fight, that are armed, when they do try to take over this country. Sorry, but that is what this is about.

This has never been about saving children or anyones lives, in fact, it is about the ability to take lives, without resistance.
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Guess it's time to pull these poisons off the market then...
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I wonder how many federal, state and local law enforcement personnel take one or more of those drugs???? Many guys working graveyard shift take sleeping pills. There does not appear to an exception for law enforcement.
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I have heard that the drug list covers about everyone. No one is safe from the gun grab. Here is the issue that I have. I have many times told my elected officials that the issue isn't the guns, it is the untreated people the ones drugged to the hilt or receiving improper medical treatment. I never thought that politicians would take it this far. Notice they are taking the guns from everyone but still haven't address the real issue of mental illness.
 Quoting: Corn Dog


They can't take away mental illness.
They can only do that selectively. Like when they want to claim they can make you competent to stand trial like they did with Loughner. Using meds of course.
The pharmaceutical industry and the medical industry make too much money off of mental illness and meds in general to stop.
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If I buy an over-the-counter drug at a pharmacy and pay with a credit card and/or use a store loyalty card for a discount, does that drug purchase go into my Electronic Health Records?

How do I know it doesn't?

Might make sense to pay cash for pharmacy items going forward. Not trying to spook anyone, but I just don't know why this could not come back to bite me.
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Yeah dextromethorphan is in over-the-counter cold medicine.

I guess if you're prescribed any of these things, it's supposed to end up in your Electronic Health Records (or Electronic Medical Records) and that's in the national database.

Some of these are probably in what they give you for temporary post-surgical pain relief. Including things like removal of tonsils or extraction of teeth, or colonoscopy, or as noted above delivery of a child either vaginally or by Caesarean section. I doubt there's 1 in 100 adults over age 40 who hasn't been taken at least one of the drugs on the list, most even by prescription.

At this point it becomes an incredibly clear violation of the 2nd Amendment, if it's rare under this law to find an adult who still retains the right to keep and bear arms. Cynical as I am, I think the SCOTUS would actually overturn it for that. It's too obvious and unmistakable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24537404


These communist scumbags are DOING EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER to take away gun rights. A disarmed public is a docile public, one that you can walk to the gas chambers!!!
"Democracy is two
wolves and a lamb
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have for lunch.
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If I buy an over-the-counter drug at a pharmacy and pay with a credit card and/or use a store loyalty card for a discount, does that drug purchase go into my Electronic Health Records?

How do I know it doesn't?

Might make sense to pay cash for pharmacy items going forward. Not trying to spook anyone, but I just don't know why this could not come back to bite me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24537404


Cash is the way to go.
Best to stop leaving electronic trails of our every move.
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Yeah dextromethorphan is in over-the-counter cold medicine.

I guess if you're prescribed any of these things, it's supposed to end up in your Electronic Health Records (or Electronic Medical Records) and that's in the national database.

Some of these are probably in what they give you for temporary post-surgical pain relief. Including things like removal of tonsils or extraction of teeth, or colonoscopy, or as noted above delivery of a child either vaginally or by Caesarean section. I doubt there's 1 in 100 adults over age 40 who hasn't been taken at least one of the drugs on the list, most even by prescription.

At this point it becomes an incredibly clear violation of the 2nd Amendment, if it's rare under this law to find an adult who still retains the right to keep and bear arms. Cynical as I am, I think the SCOTUS would actually overturn it for that. It's too obvious and unmistakable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24537404


These communist scumbags are DOING EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER to take away gun rights. A disarmed public is a docile public, one that you can walk to the gas chambers!!!
 Quoting: 0311INFANTRYSIR


I can't see where this doesn't infringe on our right to not be subject to unlawful search and seizure.
Isn't this unlawful search and seizure of medical records.? Among other things...
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Ummmm...what are the implications to our military servicemen (and women) on prescription meds, including police, EMT's, Firefighters, TSA, FBI, CIA, etc?
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Its surprising they didn't include Sudofed. But once the legislation is passed they fiddle around with it at will.

Why not add caffeine tablets. banana2
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Notice they didn't put any illegal drugs on here...so if you get a misdemeanor possession charge your still fine to own as many firearms as you like...meanwhile your neighbor who got prescribed Xanax after his kid got killed in a car accident is going to be Swat Teamed to take his shotgun...
 Quoting: Saddletramp



Yes! They medicate grief. (I can grumble about that topic all day.)
I will allow, short term medicating (especially for parental loss) is not a bad thing, however I've watched over and over again how they get "hooked" and can't get off them. All medicating grief does is prolong learning to deal with the loss.

(i'll hush now about that) what I meant to say was: there should be allowances made for short term medicating.
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Do these include having taken any of these briefly 10 years ago? Some doctors used to push antidepressants when they first came out for all kinds of complaints.
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What happened to the forth amendment?


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Its surprising they didn't include Sudofed. But once the legislation is passed they fiddle around with it at will.

Why not add caffeine tablets. banana2
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They'll get to them.
They will be adding to this list.
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What happened to the forth amendment?


The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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