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What are their citations of proof?

How are they saying they know this?
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They are speculating because of Joe Stack, April 15th, Patriot Day, and Lexington/Concord anniversary.
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Yah except tea partiers would have just thrown tea bags in the bay and not blow up people like obama
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Lol christian, dude if they did do this they WERENT CHRISTIAN IN THE FIRST PLACE! EVER!
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Are you trying to say that Christianity doesn't allow you to murder people then suck up to Jesus afterward and repent, then go to heaven with Hitler and everybody else?

Can you prove that? What if the bomber hated himself and wanted to be treated how he treated those people at the marathon?

I see no reason why a Christian couldn't have done this.
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A TRUE Christian wouldn't have done this, its only a FALSE FLAG to BLAME ONE!
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Even if a right-wing "christian" conservative did this, which I doubt, the difference is that the Christian leaders will denounce it.

Where as our Muslim "brothers" would dance in the streets.

And there leaders would call the bomber a saint for the cause.
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You hit the nail on the head.
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But A right wing christian Conservative wouldn't do this if they did they are not a christian.
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Where in Christianity does it say that? That's not my understanding of the religion. Basically you do whatever you please, then repent later and you're good. There are some major flaws that I've found in Jesus' teachings.
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well this thread has gone to shit
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Even if a right-wing "christian" conservative did this, which I doubt, the difference is that the Christian leaders will denounce it.

Where as our Muslim "brothers" would dance in the streets.

And there leaders would call the bomber a saint for the cause.
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You hit the nail on the head.
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But A right wing christian Conservative wouldn't do this if they did they are not a christian.
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Where in Christianity does it say that? That's not my understanding of the religion. Basically you do whatever you please, then repent later and you're good. There are some major flaws that I've found in Jesus' teachings.
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The bible says the two most important rules, love God , and Love your neighbor!
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A TRUE Christian wouldn't have done this, its only a FALSE FLAG to BLAME ONE!
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Didn't Jesus have murderers among his followers?
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You hit the nail on the head.
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But A right wing christian Conservative wouldn't do this if they did they are not a christian.
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Where in Christianity does it say that? That's not my understanding of the religion. Basically you do whatever you please, then repent later and you're good. There are some major flaws that I've found in Jesus' teachings.
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The bible says the two most important rules, love God , and Love your neighbor!
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Where does mental illness fit into that? Do mentally ill people go to heaven if their deeds are because of mental illness? Or do the mentally ill ppl go to hell?
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Even if a right-wing "christian" conservative did this, which I doubt, the difference is that the Christian leaders will denounce it.

Where as our Muslim "brothers" would dance in the streets.

And there leaders would call the bomber a saint for the cause.
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You hit the nail on the head.
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But A right wing christian Conservative wouldn't do this if they did they are not a christian.
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Where in Christianity does it say that? That's not my understanding of the religion. Basically you do whatever you please, then repent later and you're good. There are some major flaws that I've found in Jesus' teachings.
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that is because you havent studied the whole bible...

blessed are those who follow the commandments of God and Jesus where ever he goeth....
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A TRUE Christian wouldn't have done this, its only a FALSE FLAG to BLAME ONE!
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Didn't Jesus have murderers among his followers?
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Im not going to argue, I wish you the best of luck, maybe you should read the bible, it will enlighten you. Ask God to give you wisdom and knowledge when you read it too, he will bless you.
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You hit the nail on the head.
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But A right wing christian Conservative wouldn't do this if they did they are not a christian.
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Where in Christianity does it say that? That's not my understanding of the religion. Basically you do whatever you please, then repent later and you're good. There are some major flaws that I've found in Jesus' teachings.
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The bible says the two most important rules, love God , and Love your neighbor!
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What if you love God and your neighbor 99.9% percent of the time, but make a major mistake (like a slight terror attack) and repent for it? My understanding is that Christianity is perfectly fine with that.
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You hit the nail on the head.
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But A right wing christian Conservative wouldn't do this if they did they are not a christian.
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Where in Christianity does it say that? That's not my understanding of the religion. Basically you do whatever you please, then repent later and you're good. There are some major flaws that I've found in Jesus' teachings.
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The bible says the two most important rules, love God , and Love your neighbor!
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What if I love God and my neighbor, but I think Jesus was a failure? Am I going to heaven, under your system?
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You hit the nail on the head.
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But A right wing christian Conservative wouldn't do this if they did they are not a christian.
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Where in Christianity does it say that? That's not my understanding of the religion. Basically you do whatever you please, then repent later and you're good. There are some major flaws that I've found in Jesus' teachings.
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that is because you havent studied the whole bible...

blessed are those who follow the commandments of God and Jesus where ever he goeth....
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So you can't be blessed if you follow God's commandments, but believe Jesus is bullshit?
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But A right wing christian Conservative wouldn't do this if they did they are not a christian.
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Where in Christianity does it say that? That's not my understanding of the religion. Basically you do whatever you please, then repent later and you're good. There are some major flaws that I've found in Jesus' teachings.
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The bible says the two most important rules, love God , and Love your neighbor!
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What if I love God and my neighbor, but I think Jesus was a failure? Am I going to heaven, under your system?
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Hell, because you don't know who the boss is. You think it's you. You're wrong. Some people have to be shown who the boss is the hard way. Maybe you're going to one of them.

When you go into work today, walk up the boss and tell him he's just jerkoff and a nobody, flip him off, tell him to kiss your ass, see what he says. We all know what would happen. You think Jesus would react any differently?
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Even if a right-wing "christian" conservative did this, which I doubt, the difference is that the Christian leaders will denounce it.

Where as our Muslim "brothers" would dance in the streets.

And there leaders would call the bomber a saint for the cause.
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You hit the nail on the head.
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But A right wing christian Conservative wouldn't do this if they did they are not a christian.
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I hear the same shit from Muslim apologists...
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~ Christopher Hitchens.
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Where in Christianity does it say that? That's not my understanding of the religion. Basically you do whatever you please, then repent later and you're good. There are some major flaws that I've found in Jesus' teachings.
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The bible says the two most important rules, love God , and Love your neighbor!
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What if I love God and my neighbor, but I think Jesus was a failure? Am I going to heaven, under your system?
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Hell, because you don't know who the boss is. You think it's you. You're wrong. Some people have to be shown who the boss is the hard way. Maybe you're going to one of them.

When you go into work today, walk up the boss and tell him he's just jerkoff and a nobody, flip him off, tell him to kiss your ass, see what he says. We all know what would happen. You think Jesus would react any differently?
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The boss of this world is the devil, we know this from the bible. The theory is that he transferred that power over to Jesus somewhere around 2000 years back.

So yeah, either way, I'm with God, I know for sure that he really is the boss of everything above this world and I'm totally cool with him.
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Where in Christianity does it say that? That's not my understanding of the religion. Basically you do whatever you please, then repent later and you're good. There are some major flaws that I've found in Jesus' teachings.
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The bible says the two most important rules, love God , and Love your neighbor!
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What if I love God and my neighbor, but I think Jesus was a failure? Am I going to heaven, under your system?
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Hell, because you don't know who the boss is. You think it's you. You're wrong. Some people have to be shown who the boss is the hard way. Maybe you're going to one of them.

When you go into work today, walk up the boss and tell him he's just jerkoff and a nobody, flip him off, tell him to kiss your ass, see what he says. We all know what would happen. You think Jesus would react any differently?
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I do know who the boss is, I'm just not fully clear on where Jesus fits into that, and why we can't just worship God himself directly.
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The bible says the two most important rules, love God , and Love your neighbor!
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What if I love God and my neighbor, but I think Jesus was a failure? Am I going to heaven, under your system?
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Hell, because you don't know who the boss is. You think it's you. You're wrong. Some people have to be shown who the boss is the hard way. Maybe you're going to one of them.

When you go into work today, walk up the boss and tell him he's just jerkoff and a nobody, flip him off, tell him to kiss your ass, see what he says. We all know what would happen. You think Jesus would react any differently?
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I do know who the boss is, I'm just not fully clear on where Jesus fits into that, and why we can't just worship God himself directly.
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He fits in because God can't have anything to do with you. He can't tolerate your sin or mine. It's like if you're a queer and your dad disowns you because he can't deal with it. Maybe you think that's wrong. It doesn't matter what you think, that's the way it is. He doesn't keep scumbags around. It's like you and picking your friends. You pick friends who are like you for the most part. Not a bunch of jerks who drive you up the wall and have nothing in common with you. Jesus is the one who can make you right, cleanse you, so that you can meet God in an acceptable condition. The he died for your sins thing. That's what it's all about. Making you clean enough to be able to meet with God and live in his house.
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What if I love God and my neighbor, but I think Jesus was a failure? Am I going to heaven, under your system?
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Hell, because you don't know who the boss is. You think it's you. You're wrong. Some people have to be shown who the boss is the hard way. Maybe you're going to one of them.

When you go into work today, walk up the boss and tell him he's just jerkoff and a nobody, flip him off, tell him to kiss your ass, see what he says. We all know what would happen. You think Jesus would react any differently?
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I do know who the boss is, I'm just not fully clear on where Jesus fits into that, and why we can't just worship God himself directly.
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He fits in because God can't have anything to do with you. He can't tolerate your sin or mine. It's like if you're a queer and your dad disowns you because he can't deal with it. Maybe you think that's wrong. It doesn't matter what you think, that's the way it is. He doesn't keep scumbags around. It's like you and picking your friends. You pick friends who are like you for the most part. Not a bunch of jerks who drive you up the wall and have nothing in common with you. Jesus is the one who can make you right, cleanse you, so that you can meet God in an acceptable condition. The he died for your sins thing. That's what it's all about. Making you clean enough to be able to meet with God and live in his house.
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That actually makes some sense, but

So no human being on earth before 1BC has ever got into heaven?

What about all the people God was kicking it with earlier in the bible? That doesn't make much sense, there's lots of evidence that God did associate with us directly. Did people like not sin before Jesus came or something?
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The only kinds of people that commit acts of mass murder are the outliers of society.

Many on this forum don't recognize an outlier because they converse with them every single day in threads like this one.

Fact is: Most people just want to survive in this world.

Nutjobs get derailed off the peaceful stream of consciousness that a majority of global citizens share.

Instead of expressing sympathy, they peddle conspiracy theories, or use it as a soapbox to criticize American foreign policy.

You can rationalize it anyway you wish, call me one of "them," and shout me down with some paranoid diatribe about puppetmasters and mind control, but it doesn't change the fact that you've fallen so far into the abyss of hatred that you're no better than the strawmen you attack on a daily basis.

Most of you are peaceful people, I know, but are severely misguided in how you process the world. An orange really is just an orange a majority of the time.
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The only kinds of people that commit acts of mass murder are the outliers of society.

Many on this forum don't recognize an outlier because they converse with them every single day in threads like this one.

Fact is: Most people just want to survive in this world.

Nutjobs get derailed off the peaceful stream of consciousness that a majority of global citizens share.

Instead of expressing sympathy, they peddle conspiracy theories, or use it as a soapbox to criticize American foreign policy.

You can rationalize it anyway you wish, call me one of "them," and shout me down with some paranoid diatribe about puppetmasters and mind control, but it doesn't change the fact that you've fallen so far into the abyss of hatred that you're no better than the strawmen you attack on a daily basis.

Most of you are peaceful people, I know, but are severely misguided in how you process the world. An orange really is just an orange a majority of the time.
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So if you don't believe Jesus is God himself in the flesh, you are a hateful mass murderer in the works. I get it.
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typical right wing christian conservative Americans
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Hell, because you don't know who the boss is. You think it's you. You're wrong. Some people have to be shown who the boss is the hard way. Maybe you're going to one of them.

When you go into work today, walk up the boss and tell him he's just jerkoff and a nobody, flip him off, tell him to kiss your ass, see what he says. We all know what would happen. You think Jesus would react any differently?
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I do know who the boss is, I'm just not fully clear on where Jesus fits into that, and why we can't just worship God himself directly.
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He fits in because God can't have anything to do with you. He can't tolerate your sin or mine. It's like if you're a queer and your dad disowns you because he can't deal with it. Maybe you think that's wrong. It doesn't matter what you think, that's the way it is. He doesn't keep scumbags around. It's like you and picking your friends. You pick friends who are like you for the most part. Not a bunch of jerks who drive you up the wall and have nothing in common with you. Jesus is the one who can make you right, cleanse you, so that you can meet God in an acceptable condition. The he died for your sins thing. That's what it's all about. Making you clean enough to be able to meet with God and live in his house.
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That actually makes some sense, but

So no human being on earth before 1BC has ever got into heaven?

What about all the people God was kicking it with earlier in the bible? That doesn't make much sense, there's lots of evidence that God did associate with us directly. Did people like not sin before Jesus came or something?
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I'm not entirely certain about that. What we do know is that there were people who knew of the existence of Jesus long before he was born. The prophets spoke about him. It wasn't like he just showed up one day. They had known he was coming and for what purpose 2000 years before he hit the scene. We never met him either live and in the flesh, but we know of him. They knew of him too. Why would there be a difference? Jesus taught us a bunch of things we have to stick with. Maybe all that was required of them, was to stick with what little they knew of him at the time and that was going to be good enough. Maybe we carry a heavier burden than they did. Maybe they were the ones who had it easy. All they had was 10 commandments to follow.

What has always struck me is the statement that goes something like, "it will be better for you on the day of judgement if you never heard of me than if you did and rejected me." And that kind of speaks to what I was saying above. Why would it be better if they're both going into the fiery pit, the same place? What that tells me is that it is not as simple a matter as just heaven or hell. It tells me that some who get punished, are going to get punished worse. Some who get rewarded, will get rewarded bigger. And there may be a whole range in between.

I can't give you a definite answer on that one. I would recommend you don't gamble on the unknowns. You stick with the knowns. Be an unrepentant scumbag you go hell. Be a dedicated disciple and go to heaven. Falling somewhere in the middle is taking a risk.
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I do know who the boss is, I'm just not fully clear on where Jesus fits into that, and why we can't just worship God himself directly.
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He fits in because God can't have anything to do with you. He can't tolerate your sin or mine. It's like if you're a queer and your dad disowns you because he can't deal with it. Maybe you think that's wrong. It doesn't matter what you think, that's the way it is. He doesn't keep scumbags around. It's like you and picking your friends. You pick friends who are like you for the most part. Not a bunch of jerks who drive you up the wall and have nothing in common with you. Jesus is the one who can make you right, cleanse you, so that you can meet God in an acceptable condition. The he died for your sins thing. That's what it's all about. Making you clean enough to be able to meet with God and live in his house.
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That actually makes some sense, but

So no human being on earth before 1BC has ever got into heaven?

What about all the people God was kicking it with earlier in the bible? That doesn't make much sense, there's lots of evidence that God did associate with us directly. Did people like not sin before Jesus came or something?
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I'm not entirely certain about that. What we do know is that there were people who knew of the existence of Jesus long before he was born. The prophets spoke about him. It wasn't like he just showed up one day. They had known he was coming and for what purpose 2000 years before he hit the scene. We never met him either live and in the flesh, but we know of him. They knew of him too. Why would there be a difference? Jesus taught us a bunch of things we have to stick with. Maybe all that was required of them, was to stick with what little they knew of him at the time and that was going to be good enough. Maybe we carry a heavier burden than they did. Maybe they were the ones who had it easy. All they had was 10 commandments to follow.

What has always struck me is the statement that goes something like, "it will be better for you on the day of judgement if you never heard of me than if you did and rejected me." And that kind of speaks to what I was saying above. Why would it be better if they're both going into the fiery pit, the same place? What that tells me is that it is not as simple a matter as just heaven or hell. It tells me that some who get punished, are going to get punished worse. Some who get rewarded, will get rewarded bigger. And there may be a whole range in between.

I can't give you a definite answer on that one. I would recommend you don't gamble on the unknowns. You stick with the knowns. Be an unrepentant scumbag you go hell. Be a dedicated disciple and go to heaven. Falling somewhere in the middle is taking a risk.
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Its a two way street. What if heaven doesn't exist, and its just a lie to keep people from revolting against their slave masters, or settling scores when you get a terminal illness?
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I do know who the boss is, I'm just not fully clear on where Jesus fits into that, and why we can't just worship God himself directly.
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He fits in because God can't have anything to do with you. He can't tolerate your sin or mine. It's like if you're a queer and your dad disowns you because he can't deal with it. Maybe you think that's wrong. It doesn't matter what you think, that's the way it is. He doesn't keep scumbags around. It's like you and picking your friends. You pick friends who are like you for the most part. Not a bunch of jerks who drive you up the wall and have nothing in common with you. Jesus is the one who can make you right, cleanse you, so that you can meet God in an acceptable condition. The he died for your sins thing. That's what it's all about. Making you clean enough to be able to meet with God and live in his house.
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That actually makes some sense, but

So no human being on earth before 1BC has ever got into heaven?

What about all the people God was kicking it with earlier in the bible? That doesn't make much sense, there's lots of evidence that God did associate with us directly. Did people like not sin before Jesus came or something?
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I'm not entirely certain about that. What we do know is that there were people who knew of the existence of Jesus long before he was born. The prophets spoke about him. It wasn't like he just showed up one day. They had known he was coming and for what purpose 2000 years before he hit the scene. We never met him either live and in the flesh, but we know of him. They knew of him too. Why would there be a difference? Jesus taught us a bunch of things we have to stick with. Maybe all that was required of them, was to stick with what little they knew of him at the time and that was going to be good enough. Maybe we carry a heavier burden than they did. Maybe they were the ones who had it easy. All they had was 10 commandments to follow.

What has always struck me is the statement that goes something like, "it will be better for you on the day of judgement if you never heard of me than if you did and rejected me." And that kind of speaks to what I was saying above. Why would it be better if they're both going into the fiery pit, the same place? What that tells me is that it is not as simple a matter as just heaven or hell. It tells me that some who get punished, are going to get punished worse. Some who get rewarded, will get rewarded bigger. And there may be a whole range in between.

I can't give you a definite answer on that one. I would recommend you don't gamble on the unknowns. You stick with the knowns. Be an unrepentant scumbag you go hell. Be a dedicated disciple and go to heaven. Falling somewhere in the middle is taking a risk.
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Yeah he was talked about in the bible before he came. It was written that he was to build a house in the Lord's name, and would become the Son of God. I just don't think he got that done, and just started rolling with the Son of God thing once Peter brought it up. Before that, he was referred to as the Son of Man. I don't know if I believe that he became a Son of God like David did.

It was written that he would go against God and be flogged to death by his own ppl. That is in there if you look it up.
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I do know who the boss is, I'm just not fully clear on where Jesus fits into that, and why we can't just worship God himself directly.
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He fits in because God can't have anything to do with you. He can't tolerate your sin or mine. It's like if you're a queer and your dad disowns you because he can't deal with it. Maybe you think that's wrong. It doesn't matter what you think, that's the way it is. He doesn't keep scumbags around. It's like you and picking your friends. You pick friends who are like you for the most part. Not a bunch of jerks who drive you up the wall and have nothing in common with you. Jesus is the one who can make you right, cleanse you, so that you can meet God in an acceptable condition. The he died for your sins thing. That's what it's all about. Making you clean enough to be able to meet with God and live in his house.
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That actually makes some sense, but

So no human being on earth before 1BC has ever got into heaven?

What about all the people God was kicking it with earlier in the bible? That doesn't make much sense, there's lots of evidence that God did associate with us directly. Did people like not sin before Jesus came or something?
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I'm not entirely certain about that. What we do know is that there were people who knew of the existence of Jesus long before he was born. The prophets spoke about him. It wasn't like he just showed up one day. They had known he was coming and for what purpose 2000 years before he hit the scene. We never met him either live and in the flesh, but we know of him. They knew of him too. Why would there be a difference? Jesus taught us a bunch of things we have to stick with. Maybe all that was required of them, was to stick with what little they knew of him at the time and that was going to be good enough. Maybe we carry a heavier burden than they did. Maybe they were the ones who had it easy. All they had was 10 commandments to follow.

What has always struck me is the statement that goes something like, "it will be better for you on the day of judgement if you never heard of me than if you did and rejected me." And that kind of speaks to what I was saying above. Why would it be better if they're both going into the fiery pit, the same place? What that tells me is that it is not as simple a matter as just heaven or hell. It tells me that some who get punished, are going to get punished worse. Some who get rewarded, will get rewarded bigger. And there may be a whole range in between.

I can't give you a definite answer on that one. I would recommend you don't gamble on the unknowns. You stick with the knowns. Be an unrepentant scumbag you go hell. Be a dedicated disciple and go to heaven. Falling somewhere in the middle is taking a risk.
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I'm a better person than most Christians, so I don't get how I'm an unrepentant scumbag. I repent and feel bad if I fuck up, but as an adult, I usually use self control and just don't fuck up to begin with. I have high morals and values. I just have seen evidence to suggest that Jesus is the Son of God. He is a guy who claimed he was.
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He fits in because God can't have anything to do with you. He can't tolerate your sin or mine. It's like if you're a queer and your dad disowns you because he can't deal with it. Maybe you think that's wrong. It doesn't matter what you think, that's the way it is. He doesn't keep scumbags around. It's like you and picking your friends. You pick friends who are like you for the most part. Not a bunch of jerks who drive you up the wall and have nothing in common with you. Jesus is the one who can make you right, cleanse you, so that you can meet God in an acceptable condition. The he died for your sins thing. That's what it's all about. Making you clean enough to be able to meet with God and live in his house.
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That actually makes some sense, but

So no human being on earth before 1BC has ever got into heaven?

What about all the people God was kicking it with earlier in the bible? That doesn't make much sense, there's lots of evidence that God did associate with us directly. Did people like not sin before Jesus came or something?
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I'm not entirely certain about that. What we do know is that there were people who knew of the existence of Jesus long before he was born. The prophets spoke about him. It wasn't like he just showed up one day. They had known he was coming and for what purpose 2000 years before he hit the scene. We never met him either live and in the flesh, but we know of him. They knew of him too. Why would there be a difference? Jesus taught us a bunch of things we have to stick with. Maybe all that was required of them, was to stick with what little they knew of him at the time and that was going to be good enough. Maybe we carry a heavier burden than they did. Maybe they were the ones who had it easy. All they had was 10 commandments to follow.

What has always struck me is the statement that goes something like, "it will be better for you on the day of judgement if you never heard of me than if you did and rejected me." And that kind of speaks to what I was saying above. Why would it be better if they're both going into the fiery pit, the same place? What that tells me is that it is not as simple a matter as just heaven or hell. It tells me that some who get punished, are going to get punished worse. Some who get rewarded, will get rewarded bigger. And there may be a whole range in between.

I can't give you a definite answer on that one. I would recommend you don't gamble on the unknowns. You stick with the knowns. Be an unrepentant scumbag you go hell. Be a dedicated disciple and go to heaven. Falling somewhere in the middle is taking a risk.
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I'm a better person than most Christians, so I don't get how I'm an unrepentant scumbag. I repent and feel bad if I fuck up, but as an adult, I usually use self control and just don't fuck up to begin with. I have high morals and values. I just have seen evidence to suggest that Jesus is the Son of God. He is a guy who claimed he was.
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ok guys take your argument to another thread it has no place here. or be banished....
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Guns and Christians have been the planned targets from the start.

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The only kinds of people that commit acts of mass murder are the outliers of society.

Many on this forum don't recognize an outlier because they converse with them every single day in threads like this one.

Fact is: Most people just want to survive in this world.

Nutjobs get derailed off the peaceful stream of consciousness that a majority of global citizens share.

Instead of expressing sympathy, they peddle conspiracy theories, or use it as a soapbox to criticize American foreign policy.

You can rationalize it anyway you wish, call me one of "them," and shout me down with some paranoid diatribe about puppetmasters and mind control, but it doesn't change the fact that you've fallen so far into the abyss of hatred that you're no better than the strawmen you attack on a daily basis.

Most of you are peaceful people, I know, but are severely misguided in how you process the world. An orange really is just an orange a majority of the time.
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Hey PM me, I got a bridge I wanna sell you. You sound like one of Bernie Madoff's investors.





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