Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 1,055 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 261,132
Pageviews Today: 420,149Threads Today: 132Posts Today: 2,510
05:33 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

JUST IN CASE YOU FORGOT: Bipartisan committee finds Bush & Obama administrations GUILTY OF TORTURE/WAR CRIMES

 
WAR CRIMES....GUILTY
User ID: 39809712
United States
05/14/2013 06:33 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
JUST IN CASE YOU FORGOT: Bipartisan committee finds Bush & Obama administrations GUILTY OF TORTURE/WAR CRIMES
U.S. Engaged in Torture After 9/11, Review Concludes
By SCOTT SHANE
April 16, 2013
WASHINGTON — A nonpartisan, independent review of interrogation and detention programs in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks concludes that “it is indisputable that the United States engaged in the practice of torture” and that the nation’s highest officials bore ultimate responsibility for it.

The sweeping, 600-page report says that while brutality has occurred in every American war, there never before had been “the kind of considered and detailed discussions that occurred after 9/11 directly involving a president and his top advisers on the wisdom, propriety and legality of inflicting pain and torment on some detainees in our custody.” The study, by an 11-member panel convened by the Constitution Project, a legal research and advocacy group, is to be released on Tuesday morning.

Debate over the coercive interrogation methods used by the administration of President George W. Bush has often broken down on largely partisan lines. The Constitution Project’s task force on detainee treatment, led by two former members of Congress with experience in the executive branch — a Republican, Asa Hutchinson, and a Democrat, James R. Jones — seeks to produce a stronger national consensus on the torture question.

While the task force did not have access to classified records, it is the most ambitious independent attempt to date to assess the detention and interrogation programs. A separate 6,000-page report on the Central Intelligence Agency’s record by the Senate Intelligence Committee, based exclusively on agency records, rather than interviews, remains classified.

“As long as the debate continues, so too does the possibility that the United States could again engage in torture,” the report says.

The use of torture, the report concludes, has “no justification” and “damaged the standing of our nation, reduced our capacity to convey moral censure when necessary and potentially increased the danger to U.S. military personnel taken captive.” The task force found “no firm or persuasive evidence” that these interrogation methods produced valuable information that could not have been obtained by other means. While “a person subjected to torture might well divulge useful information,” much of the information obtained by force was not reliable, the report says.

Interrogation and abuse at the C.I.A.’s so-called black sites, the Guantánamo Bay prison in Cuba and war-zone detention centers, have been described in considerable detail by the news media and in declassified documents, though the Constitution Project report adds many new details.

It confirms a report by Human Rights Watch that one or more Libyan militants were waterboarded by the C.I.A., challenging the agency’s longtime assertion that only three Al Qaeda prisoners were subjected to the near-drowning technique. It includes a detailed account by Albert J. Shimkus Jr., then a Navy captain who ran a hospital for detainees at the Guantánamo Bay prison, of his own disillusionment when he discovered what he considered to be the unethical mistreatment of prisoners.

But the report’s main significance may be its attempt to assess what the United States government did in the years after 2001 and how it should be judged. The C.I.A. not only waterboarded prisoners, but slammed them into walls, chained them in uncomfortable positions for hours, stripped them of clothing and kept them awake for days on end.

The question of whether those methods amounted to torture is a historically and legally momentous issue that has been debated for more than a decade inside and outside the government. The Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel wrote a series of legal opinions from 2002 to 2005 concluding that the methods were not torture if used under strict rules; all the memos were later withdrawn. News organizations have wrestled with whether to label the brutal methods unequivocally as torture in the face of some government officials’ claims that they were not.

In addition, the United States is a signatory to the international Convention Against Torture, which requires the prompt investigation of allegations of torture and the compensation of its victims.

Like the still-secret Senate interrogation report, the Constitution Project study was initiated after President Obama decided in 2009 not to support a national commission to investigate the post-9/11 counterterrorism programs, as proposed by Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, and others. Mr. Obama said then that he wanted to “look forward, not backward.” Aides have said he feared that his own policy agenda might get sidetracked in a battle over his predecessor’s programs.

The panel studied the



[link to mobile.nytimes.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 39813074
United States
05/14/2013 08:22 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: JUST IN CASE YOU FORGOT: Bipartisan committee finds Bush & Obama administrations GUILTY OF TORTURE/WAR CRIMES
bump
Uncle Fuck Stick

User ID: 41489695
United States
06/10/2013 06:11 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: JUST IN CASE YOU FORGOT: Bipartisan committee finds Bush & Obama administrations GUILTY OF TORTURE/WAR CRIMES
Idol1
:4hlick:
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11231658
United States
08/18/2013 07:04 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: JUST IN CASE YOU FORGOT: Bipartisan committee finds Bush & Obama administrations GUILTY OF TORTURE/WAR CRIMES
bump
Arete11

User ID: 8545334
United States
05/17/2014 11:41 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: JUST IN CASE YOU FORGOT: Bipartisan committee finds Bush & Obama administrations GUILTY OF TORTURE/WAR CRIMES
Covering Up War Crimes May 14, 2014
[snip]
• Federal torturers erasing history of their misdeeds.
By Richard Walker —

While the focus on the torture program under President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney remains fixed on the failure to come clean to Congress, it should be noted that those who carried out these terrible deeds spent a decade erasing evidence of their war crimes and destroying the lives of suspects who could testify against them, or to even acknowledge how many black sites were being run or how many people died under torture while in the custody of its operatives, medical professionals and contractors.

As far back as 2006, the United States advocacy group Human Rights First produced a report stating that over 100 suspects died “while in the hands of U.S. officials in the global war on terror.”

That figure did not tell the whole story nor did it speak to the organized and widespread torture that saw an unknown number of prisoners moved through black sites as far afield as Lithuania, Morocco, Poland and Thailand, to name but a few countries that cooperated with the U.S.

One of the critical pieces of the torture strategy was to fold up a site and destroy the evidence of its existence, including video evidence, once its existence had been compromised. But that was not the only reason detainees were flown at a moment’s notice to far-flung, secret facilities. The aim was to transform them into so-called “ghost detainees,” who did not exist on paper.
more...
[link to americanfreepress.net]


bump
Untroubled, Scornful, Outrageous-That is how Wisdom wants us to be!
White Genocide: 1900AD @ 35% - Today less than 8% of the earth's population
Sophia's Correction
Uncle Fuck Stick

User ID: 31053234
United States
08/01/2014 06:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: JUST IN CASE YOU FORGOT: Bipartisan committee finds Bush & Obama administrations GUILTY OF TORTURE/WAR CRIMES
Thread: OBAMA ADDS FUEL To CIA Torture Scandal...SAYS " WE TORTURED SOME FOLKS
:4hlick:
Uncle Fuck Stick

User ID: 1553175
United States
12/10/2014 02:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: JUST IN CASE YOU FORGOT: Bipartisan committee finds Bush & Obama administrations GUILTY OF TORTURE/WAR CRIMES
bump
:4hlick:
Uncle Fuck Stick

User ID: 70967670
United States
02/05/2016 04:40 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: JUST IN CASE YOU FORGOT: Bipartisan committee finds Bush & Obama administrations GUILTY OF TORTURE/WAR CRIMES
Thread: BREAKING Pentagon releases Bush-era torture pictures after 12 years long legal battle
:4hlick:





GLP