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If the purpose of her misbehavior was attention, then maybe mom can find time to give her the attention she needs. If the purpose was power, then the child is not feeling like she has any power so maybe she needs to be given more choices in her life. Like let her pick what vegetable she wants with her dinner. Give her choices. A lot. It is simple - mom gives her 2-3 options for just about anything. Kids eat this up. It makes them feel like they have some control over their life. But mom needs to come up with the options, and daughter can choose from the options mom came up with. Don't let the child come up with the options, though. That can create an even worse monster! Lol. Good luck. You all can do this. I have been successful doing this with children with profound autism. It can seem like it is not working at first. Just stick to your game plan. The results will freaking amaze you!
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There is something wrong with the child. By 5 years old the early training is DONE and her willfulness is set like drying concrete. What I am saying is; you won't get better results from spanking. You can try ... but this kid has already completed early development. You can only make adjustments, not change this child's behavior, character and mental problems.

It is not going to get better until the mother and her child resolve the issues together, without YOU.
That may never happen even with the best therapy and possible medication.

My best advice to you Mr.Boyfriend, is to live at your own place, she and her daughter at another and get the best babysitter you can afford.
Someone who will actually play with the child and actually LIKES her.
Keep looking and pay the money.
Enjoy whatever time you have together because if you try to live together, this kid will wreck your relationship and it could get very ugly.
Never get married because this firecracker of a kid will be furious fireball in 10 years.

You know this true.

At the right time, bail out and find another woman.
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If the purpose of her misbehavior was attention, then maybe mom can find time to give her the attention she needs. If the purpose was power, then the child is not feeling like she has any power so maybe she needs to be given more choices in her life. Like let her pick what vegetable she wants with her dinner. Give her choices. A lot. It is simple - mom gives her 2-3 options for just about anything. Kids eat this up. It makes them feel like they have some control over their life. But mom needs to come up with the options, and daughter can choose from the options mom came up with. Don't let the child come up with the options, though. That can create an even worse monster! Lol. Good luck. You all can do this. I have been successful doing this with children with profound autism. It can seem like it is not working at first. Just stick to your game plan. The results will freaking amaze you!
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wow , sounds like democracy, this is exactly how the US political system works, people think they have a choice, but they're given 2 vegetables, when people forget they didnt even want vegetables
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If the purpose of her misbehavior was attention, then maybe mom can find time to give her the attention she needs. If the purpose was power, then the child is not feeling like she has any power so maybe she needs to be given more choices in her life. Like let her pick what vegetable she wants with her dinner. Give her choices. A lot. It is simple - mom gives her 2-3 options for just about anything. Kids eat this up. It makes them feel like they have some control over their life. But mom needs to come up with the options, and daughter can choose from the options mom came up with. Don't let the child come up with the options, though. That can create an even worse monster! Lol. Good luck. You all can do this. I have been successful doing this with children with profound autism. It can seem like it is not working at first. Just stick to your game plan. The results will freaking amaze you!
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wow , sounds like democracy, this is exactly how the US political system works, people think they have a choice, but they're given 2 vegetables, when people forget they didnt even want vegetables
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This is why I automatically hate anyone who plays partisan politics on this board, either bashing obama or bashing right wingers because it really shows they dont know they're given false options which makes them stupid, and its annoying.
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Your spank needs some PSI
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Have a friend whose girl was similar at about same age. It seemed to start when she entered kindergarten. It was a daily fight to get the girl to get dressed, eat breakfast, etc. in mornings. And then at night there were tantrums when she was asked to take a bath, brush her teeth, pick up toys, etc. There was a lot of screaming & tears.

So the mom put up a magnetic board on the wall. On left it listed all the daily things that was expected of the girl (with a picture besides the writing). And then there were boxes for each day of the week. The mom found all types of magnets that she put at bottom of board and when the girl completed a task a magnet was put up in that square for that day. She was allowed two blank squares a week and if there were no more than two she was rewarded on weekend with a special outing or other treat and she got her allowance. If there were more than two blank squares with no magnet in them then she got nothing.

It got to point where the little girl did what was expected & put up her own magnet. She loved putting up her own magnet so would rush through her chores to be able to do so.
Sometimes when I would visit the girl would take me to board to show me how good she'd been. She seemed really proud of herself and enjoyed the attention she got when grandparents, other relatives and friends praised her.

She even asked her mom to add some chores such as feeding the dog & cat.

She also knew that when she didn't get her way on weekends to go somewhere or to get a treat that it was her own behaviour that caused it because there it was recorded on the board.

Don't know if it would work for your gf's little girl but might be worth a try. It took about a week before there was a major improvement. During a divorce or during other problems kids can feel like they have no power over the things that affect them. They feel helpless. From their perspective they perceive that they are being bossed around and yelled at for no reason. I think my friend's board idea gave her little girl the feeling of having more power over her own life plus kids seem to be very visual at that age.

Also, your gf should try to determine what has caused this behaviour in the girl to be able to better deal with it. From what little you've said I am getting a very strong feeling that the little girl blames herself for the dad leaving since he left when the mom was pregnant with her. Maybe it was even said to her by the older girl. Could be wrong but getting that feeling.
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Thanks for all your replies even the insulting ones which I knew would come because spanking is taboo nowadays.there is no easy fix I will continue to stick to my guns and try my best to help this mother and daughter resolve what the real issues are without spanking.eventually it will get better i hope.i want to be a positive influence in all three of there lives.this mess started way before I showed up.i will keep trying to resolve without spanking.i am going to buy some earplugs that may help with the ignoring.i will also continue positive reinforcement and discussing the tantrums during quality time explaining why it bad behavior when there isn't a problem.open to any and all suggestions.SPANKING is out it didn't start overnight and it's not gonna resololve overnight.I Love Them and want them to be happy is all I want thanks
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Do you really know how to make others happy? Make yourself happy, you wont make anyone happy by trying to make them happy, you wont be a positive influence on anyones life trying to be an influence on anybodies life, you gotta realize its none of your business, take care of yourself and the rest will follow. You dont love her, youre placing the love you dont give yourself onto her, you dont want them to be happy, you want you to be happy and are projecting your wish of happiness onto them. Stop it.
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Stop loving them?what
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Have u tryed a psych
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Have a friend whose girl was similar at about same age. It seemed to start when she entered kindergarten. It was a daily fight to get the girl to get dressed, eat breakfast, etc. in mornings. And then at night there were tantrums when she was asked to take a bath, brush her teeth, pick up toys, etc. There was a lot of screaming & tears.

So the mom put up a magnetic board on the wall. On left it listed all the daily things that was expected of the girl (with a picture besides the writing). And then there were boxes for each day of the week. The mom found all types of magnets that she put at bottom of board and when the girl completed a task a magnet was put up in that square for that day. She was allowed two blank squares a week and if there were no more than two she was rewarded on weekend with a special outing or other treat and she got her allowance. If there were more than two blank squares with no magnet in them then she got nothing.

It got to point where the little girl did what was expected & put up her own magnet. She loved putting up her own magnet so would rush through her chores to be able to do so.
Sometimes when I would visit the girl would take me to board to show me how good she'd been. She seemed really proud of herself and enjoyed the attention she got when grandparents, other relatives and friends praised her.

She even asked her mom to add some chores such as feeding the dog & cat.

She also knew that when she didn't get her way on weekends to go somewhere or to get a treat that it was her own behaviour that caused it because there it was recorded on the board.

Don't know if it would work for your gf's little girl but might be worth a try. It took about a week before there was a major improvement. During a divorce or during other problems kids can feel like they have no power over the things that affect them. They feel helpless. From their perspectiveit has to be they perceive that they are being bossed around and yelled at for no reason. I think my friend's board idea gave her little girl the feeling of having more power over her own life plus kids seem to be very visual at that age.

Also, your gf should try to determine what has caused this behaviour in the girl to be able to better deal with it. From what little you've said I am getting a very strong feeling that the little girl blames herself for the dad leaving since he left when the mom was pregnant with her. Maybe it was even said to her by the older girl. Could be wrong but getting that feeling.
 Quoting: January Wolves


Thank you for your awesome insight.i am new to the situation and think the daddy issues are a big part of it.i actually had to do this exact same thing forty years ago.you just brought back memories.im not a mean guy.it just pains me to see all the pain they put each other through.she has a twelve year old and the kid is great she never had these problems with her.we will try this for sure it's a positive reinforcement with consequences that she gets to decide.i like it .thanks for caring.i I know for a fact the last time she was with daddy he told her it was al mamas fault they were not together she says it when she crys sometimes.that freaked me out.this guy has never payed a dime child support and makes plans to see her and no shows no calls most of the time it makes me sick.i lm not perfect but if you promise a kid anything you better bust your ass to keep the promise!how can someone do that to there kid .lots of this is none of my business but when I hear and see some of this shit I get upset.should she even let the dad see her for a while last weekend was horrible when he didn't show up.she hasn't been spanked yet just so everyone knows looking for alternatives .
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05/16/2013 12:20 AM
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The kid goes from Shirley temple to Linda Blair in about two seconds.the dad is a deadbeat dad who doesn't show up to see her most of the time.last time he had her he kept her an extra week illegally he lives four hours away and moms car was broke down so she couldn't go get her .
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My opinion.
Employ a nanny.A SERIOUS one.as soon and I mean AS SOON as the kid plays up ring the nanny put the kid in the car and deliver her.Soon she will get the message that the kid obeys mommy or goes to the nanny and misses out on the outing.She will learn.
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Have a friend whose girl was similar at about same age. It seemed to start when she entered kindergarten. It was a daily fight to get the girl to get dressed, eat breakfast, etc. in mornings. And then at night there were tantrums when she was asked to take a bath, brush her teeth, pick up toys, etc. There was a lot of screaming & tears.

So the mom put up a magnetic board on the wall. On left it listed all the daily things that was expected of the girl (with a picture besides the writing). And then there were boxes for each day of the week. The mom found all types of magnets that she put at bottom of board and when the girl completed a task a magnet was put up in that square for that day. She was allowed two blank squares a week and if there were no more than two she was rewarded on weekend with a special outing or other treat and she got her allowance. If there were more than two blank squares with no magnet in them then she got nothing.

It got to point where the little girl did what was expected & put up her own magnet. She loved putting up her own magnet so would rush through her chores to be able to do so.
Sometimes when I would visit the girl would take me to board to show me how good she'd been. She seemed really proud of herself and enjoyed the attention she got when grandparents, other relatives and friends praised her.

She even asked her mom to add some chores such as feeding the dog & cat.

She also knew that when she didn't get her way on weekends to go somewhere or to get a treat that it was her own behaviour that caused it because there it was recorded on the board.

Don't know if it would work for your gf's little girl but might be worth a try. It took about a week before there was a major improvement. During a divorce or during other problems kids can feel like they have no power over the things that affect them. They feel helpless. From their perspectiveit has to be they perceive that they are being bossed around and yelled at for no reason. I think my friend's board idea gave her little girl the feeling of having more power over her own life plus kids seem to be very visual at that age.

Also, your gf should try to determine what has caused this behaviour in the girl to be able to better deal with it. From what little you've said I am getting a very strong feeling that the little girl blames herself for the dad leaving since he left when the mom was pregnant with her. Maybe it was even said to her by the older girl. Could be wrong but getting that feeling.
 Quoting: January Wolves


Thank you for your awesome insight.i am new to the situation and think the daddy issues are a big part of it.i actually had to do this exact same thing forty years ago.you just brought back memories.im not a mean guy.it just pains me to see all the pain they put each other through.she has a twelve year old and the kid is great she never had these problems with her.we will try this for sure it's a positive reinforcement with consequences that she gets to decide.i like it .thanks for caring.i I know for a fact the last time she was with daddy he told her it was al mamas fault they were not together she says it when she crys sometimes.that freaked me out.this guy has never payed a dime child support and makes plans to see her and no shows no calls most of the time it makes me sick.i lm not perfect but if you promise a kid anything you better bust your ass to keep the promise!how can someone do that to there kid .lots of this is none of my business but when I hear and see some of this shit I get upset.should she even let the dad see her for a while last weekend was horrible when he didn't show up.she hasn't been spanked yet just so everyone knows looking for alternatives .
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Take her the the local catholic Nuns.they will soon whip her out of it.
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Tantrums should not be tolerated for a moment. Have her Mother blister her bare bottom with a hairbrush whenever she throws one.

Tantrums are a play for power and attention, and the child needs to learn the consequences for her bad behavior. A sore, red bottom will do the trick.
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Smoking hot and in love with me.im treated like a king for the most part.she has a successful career that is being affected as well because the kid doesn't always want to go to school causing mom to miss work
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Because you put up with her brat...

it's not love...its' a babysitter... iamwith
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There is something wrong with the child. By 5 years old the early training is DONE and her willfulness is set like drying concrete. What I am saying is; you won't get better results from spanking. You can try ... but this kid has already completed early development. You can only make adjustments, not change this child's behavior, character and mental problems.

It is not going to get better until the mother and her child resolve the issues together, without YOU.
That may never happen even with the best therapy and possible medication.

My best advice to you Mr.Boyfriend, is to live at your own place, she and her daughter at another and get the best babysitter you can afford.
Someone who will actually play with the child and actually LIKES her.
Keep looking and pay the money.
Enjoy whatever time you have together because if you try to live together, this kid will wreck your relationship and it could get very ugly.
Never get married because this firecracker of a kid will be furious fireball in 10 years.

You know this true.

At the right time, bail out and find another woman.
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Holy shit .thats what I Am afraid of.you really think its to late she is only six?she is great at daycare and school.just acts out with mommy.your probably right but I hope not.she isn't bad all the time and we have fun.she is very smart she's got her mom on string.for sure though.we shall see.i have deep feelings for them and I'm willing to try and suffer if need be.im a fool I guess
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It could be her diet. (Not the sugar, it's the food dyes that are evil for children.)

It could be that she's a brat.

But let's be honest, she sees you as competition for her Mother's attention. She's going to try her best to make your life a living hell until she either likes you or gives up. If you spank her, she will tell a teacher that you abused her. Because that would get you out of her mother's life forever. (And you in jail.)

Start with quick rewards and punishments (removal of rewards, etc.) and move your way up to larger things. Find things that she loves to do and use them as rewards.

If any spanking needs to be done, it should be by the mother.
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Your right!She does need to be spanked hard,but not by you.Her mother needs to do it.I would never spank,or reccomend anyone to spank another person's child.Even if it's your girlfriends,and she wants you to do it.
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Have a friend whose girl was similar at about same age. It seemed to start when she entered kindergarten. It was a daily fight to get the girl to get dressed, eat breakfast, etc. in mornings. And then at night there were tantrums when she was asked to take a bath, brush her teeth, pick up toys, etc. There was a lot of screaming & tears.

So the mom put up a magnetic board on the wall. On left it listed all the daily things that was expected of the girl (with a picture besides the writing). And then there were boxes for each day of the week. The mom found all types of magnets that she put at bottom of board and when the girl completed a task a magnet was put up in that square for that day. She was allowed two blank squares a week and if there were no more than two she was rewarded on weekend with a special outing or other treat and she got her allowance. If there were more than two blank squares with no magnet in them then she got nothing.

It got to point where the little girl did what was expected & put up her own magnet. She loved putting up her own magnet so would rush through her chores to be able to do so.
Sometimes when I would visit the girl would take me to board to show me how good she'd been. She seemed really proud of herself and enjoyed the attention she got when grandparents, other relatives and friends praised her.

She even asked her mom to add some chores such as feeding the dog & cat.

She also knew that when she didn't get her way on weekends to go somewhere or to get a treat that it was her own behaviour that caused it because there it was recorded on the board.

Don't know if it would work for your gf's little girl but might be worth a try. It took about a week before there was a major improvement. During a divorce or during other problems kids can feel like they have no power over the things that affect them. They feel helpless. From their perspectiveit has to be they perceive that they are being bossed around and yelled at for no reason. I think my friend's board idea gave her little girl the feeling of having more power over her own life plus kids seem to be very visual at that age.

Also, your gf should try to determine what has caused this behaviour in the girl to be able to better deal with it. From what little you've said I am getting a very strong feeling that the little girl blames herself for the dad leaving since he left when the mom was pregnant with her. Maybe it was even said to her by the older girl. Could be wrong but getting that feeling.
 Quoting: January Wolves


Thank you for your awesome insight.i am new to the situation and think the daddy issues are a big part of it.i actually had to do this exact same thing forty years ago.you just brought back memories.im not a mean guy.it just pains me to see all the pain they put each other through.she has a twelve year old and the kid is great she never had these problems with her.we will try this for sure it's a positive reinforcement with consequences that she gets to decide.i like it .thanks for caring.i I know for a fact the last time she was with daddy he told her it was al mamas fault they were not together she says it when she crys sometimes.that freaked me out.this guy has never payed a dime child support and makes plans to see her and no shows no calls most of the time it makes me sick.i lm not perfect but if you promise a kid anything you better bust your ass to keep the promise!how can someone do that to there kid .lots of this is none of my business but when I hear and see some of this shit I get upset.should she even let the dad see her for a while last weekend was horrible when he didn't show up.she hasn't been spanked yet just so everyone knows looking for alternatives .
 Quoting: Slueth

Take her the the local catholic Nuns.they will soon whip her out of it.
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Ha ha I went to catholic school oh the paddle they bruised my ass once straightened me out.nuns are mean man they used to grab us by the ear with the sharp fingernail still scares me ha ha
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Holy moly you must be joking. Unless you are marrying this woman and becoming this childs stepfather you need to back off. You mean nothing to this child and probably by time she is 7 you will be gone, so keep your hands in your pockets and your mouth shut. Do no harm.
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She is not your daughter, I would say keep your damn hands off her. That is her mothers decision to spank or not to spank.
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if you spank your children you are a terrorist. Only the state can punish its children. What's your SS#?

I'm gonna report you to the IRS

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yes becuse the children belong to the state

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I was really pissed when I started this thread. I just read my original post I sound like an asshole but this sweet little girl needs to straighten up.i am going to suggest lots of these great ideas you have all contributed .sorry if I upset anyone it's a touchy subject especially for anyone abused.i like the child a lot as I said she is good most of the time and I know the daddy issue is a big part of the problem and spanking won't fix that.she hasn't been spanked yet.its on the table but I am going to try and recommend some or all of these alternatives.thanks GLP I will update in a few weeks if any one so concerned .peace
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YOU ARE NOT THE DAD or BIOLOGICAL PARENT!

DO NOT STRIKE THE CHILD!!!!!

One Tequila!
Two Tequila!
Three Tequila, ...... Floor!
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Holy moly you must be joking. Unless you are marrying this woman and becoming this childs stepfather you need to back off. You mean nothing to this child and probably by time she is 7 you will be gone, so keep your hands in your pockets and your mouth shut. Do no harm.
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I guess you can't read I said about ten times I would never touch her and NOOne has spanked her yet.the child's grand parents spanked her last weekend without mamas permission and are telling her she needs to do it more often I was of the opinion that she needed spanking as well but now I'm not so relax jerky!its not my decision and I am seeking advice for alternitives
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Holy moly you must be joking. Unless you are marrying this woman and becoming this childs stepfather you need to back off. You mean nothing to this child and probably by time she is 7 you will be gone, so keep your hands in your pockets and your mouth shut. Do no harm.
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I guess you can't read I said about ten times I would never touch her and NOOne has spanked her yet.the child's grand parents spanked her last weekend without mamas permission and are telling her she needs to do it more often I was of the opinion that she needed spanking as well but now I'm not so relax jerky!its not my decision and I am seeking advice for alternitives
 Quoting: Slueth


And we are talking marriage but I'm not marrying into this disfunctional mess something needs to be done.this child needs some form of discipline you are there you don't see what's happening I do.the mom is about to have a nervous breakdown
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I just recently fell in love with a wonderful women.
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I'm absolutely certain that you've already been textually, mercilessly bitchslapped at this point in this lengthy thread OP...


But I am adding my two cents. The first sentence of your OP was all I needed to read to know you are a complete and total fucking retard...


The likes of which I haven't seen in a while.


You JUST RECENTLY "fell in love" and you already want to beat this woman's child? Fuck off and go suck satan's cock in hell you piece of dogshit.


Secondly... learn to spell, you total fucking idiot. WOMAN = SINGULAR. WOMEN = PLURAL.


YOU PROBABLY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.


I want you to know I fucking hate you.


I hope I never see you make another thread.
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The kid owns you and your girlfriend.

Just give her what she wants, when she wants it.

Your situation is hopeless. Cut your losses while you can.
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It could be her diet. (Not the sugar, it's the food dyes that are evil for children.)

It could be that she's a brat.

But let's be honest, she sees you as competition for her Mother's attention. She's going to try her best to make your life a living hell until she either likes you or gives up. If you spank her, she will tell a teacher that you abused her. Because that would get you out of her mother's life forever. (And you in jail.)

Start with quick rewards and punishments (removal of rewards, etc.) and move your way up to larger things. Find things that she loves to do and use them as rewards.

If any spanking needs to be done, it should be by the mother.
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I would never ever under any circumstances spank her !!!! Ya and the kid cries everyday for a fucking happy meal it's horrible and mama gives in it can't be good.i have already changed my mind about the spanking for now.its not my decision and I am gonna recommend all of the alternatives that the good people of GLP have recommended
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OP,

You are 100% focused on Beating this child, scolding this child, doing harm to this child.

If I knew who your girl friend was I would show her "ALL OF YOUR POSTings....here"

YOU are (NOT MAN ENOUGH, TO BE A HUSBAND OR DADDY)!

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Juggalo

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05/16/2013 12:47 AM
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It could be her diet. (Not the sugar, it's the food dyes that are evil for children.)

It could be that she's a brat.

But let's be honest, she sees you as competition for her Mother's attention. She's going to try her best to make your life a living hell until she either likes you or gives up. If you spank her, she will tell a teacher that you abused her. Because that would get you out of her mother's life forever. (And you in jail.)

Start with quick rewards and punishments (removal of rewards, etc.) and move your way up to larger things. Find things that she loves to do and use them as rewards.

If any spanking needs to be done, it should be by the mother.
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I would never ever under any circumstances spank her !!!! Ya and the kid cries everyday for a fucking happy meal it's horrible and mama gives in it can't be good.i have already changed my mind about the spanking for now.its not my decision and I am gonna recommend all of the alternatives that the good people of GLP have recommended
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You need to be "Put Down"
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I see this over and over again. Stupid, unthinking mothers introducing people into their children's lives who may not be permanent. Unless you are engaged, you need to completely butt out. This child quite frankly should not even know you exist. The mother should have hidden your relationship from the child. So now an extremely emotionally disturbed child WILL be furthered damaged when you break up. The mom and the kid need help and you need to be out of the picture. Date the mom privately and encourage them to find a family therapist.

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