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Why NDEs are more than hallucinations, and connecting the dots revealing a single coherent reality

 
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Here's an important piece of the puzzle, that makes me believe these NDEs, are much more than what many believe.

For example, many state, these NDEs, are merely hallucinations, imaginations, or created from former personal beliefs and expectations.

But here's why this is impossible.

I've come across many NDE cases now, in which people, during their NDEs, will see things in the environment, which was unknown, but then later proven to be true down to the exact details.

In addition during the NDEs, the people, have come across and learned of information from the deceased, who they saw, and who were typically in a heaven like environment. After the NDEs ended and returning to their bodies, the information learned about the deceased, which was previously unknown, was then researched and verified to be true down to the exact details.

This shows, that it was impossible to have merely imagined.

Now many believe all, or most NDEs are positive. For example, in Dr. Moody's work, 'Life after Life', he had reported all postive NDE cases, if I'm not mistaken.


Now Dr. Moody, founded an organization, the International Association for Near-death Studies. This organization, recently released a book by the president of the organization, Nancy Evans Bush. And after many more years of research, they found a significantly greater amount of negative NDEs.

Nancy herself, had a negative NDE. To her it was so traumatic, that she refused to share it with anyone, including her own family for many years.

This brings up another important point. Two other NDE researchers, P. M. H. Atwater and Dr. Maurice Rawlings believe that people who have bad or negative NDEs, are less likely to report them.

I also know of a man, that had an NDE. However, when asked about it, he became fearful, was in tears, and refused to share it. This makes me believe he had a really bad experience.

The point is, if a researcher says that only x amount or percentage have bad or negative NDEs, this is more than likely completely false, and the number will be much higher, since again, those who have bad NDEs are less likely to share and report them.

Here's another piece of the puzzle, during the negative and hellish NDEs, people will often report that hell and the demons there have a foul sulphur smell.

Now, from reading works of exorcists, and paranormal investigators, they state, that when they encounter demons, they too have a foul sulphur smell.

These two pieces, align with what the Bible, state, when it describes hell, as being a lake of burning sulphur.

Here's something else I discovered in my research of NDEs, I haven't yet come across an NDE, where somebody sees Buddha, Krishna, or Muhammad, and then convert to Buddhism, Hinduism, or Islam, respectively.

However, there have been atheists, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Native Americans who saw Jesus in an NDE or vision, and then converted to Christianity.

Here's something unique with the Muslim NDEs and visions, I've come across so far. They don't see Muhammad, but they have seen Jesus. In addition, Muslims don't believe Jesus died for our sins, or was ever crucified. But Muslims, when they saw Jesus, saw his crucifixion wounds, and then left Islam, and converted to Christianity, after the experiences.

Let me touch on another category of experiences, that are not NDEs, and these are visions. This is when, Jesus had literally materialized to the people. The people, will then often state, they were miraculously healed by Jesus. In addition, in some of these experiences, the people learned of things, which wasn't previously unknown, but later proven to be true. Meaning and showing, that these were not mere hallucinations. A hallucination can't account for the miraculous healings, or the information, which was later proven to be true.


Regarding this phenomenon and current supernatural encounters with Jesus, so far I'm finding this only occurs with Jesus. I haven't yet come across, any current testimonies and accounts, of people saying that Buddha, Krishna, or Muhammad supernaturally appeared to them, despite the fact that these other prophets / incarnations supposedly had supernatural abilities. Also, what's unique, is with the accounts or testimonies of those who stated, Jesus appeared to them, many times these people belonged to other non-Christian religions.
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negative/postive experiences are both subjective.

If an unconscious person is confronted with all their buried emotions, they will feel sad and will not know why. In turn, labeling the experience negative.

A conscious person would realize that these emotions are their own that have not been dealt with and are surfacing to be healed. creating a healing, positive experience.

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Ahhh...you're setting out to prove something to the world huh?

-More like, proving it to YOURSELF.
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negative/postive experiences are both subjective.

If an unconscious person is confronted with all their buried emotions, they will feel sad and will not know why. In turn, labeling the experience negative.

A conscious person would realize that these emotions are their own that have not been dealt with and are surfacing to be healed. creating a healing, positive experience.
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Let me elaborate and give a real specific example of a negative NDE.

A woman, attempted suicide. She then felt, her spirit / soul descend downwards. She then heard countless screams, and sulphuric acid burning her body.
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Don't go there. Churches sometimes put out these publicity letters. The goal is money. The more converts to Christianity from other religions there is, more people who can donate money. Follow the money in all religions, and you will see the truth. THe muslims who saw 'Jesus Christ' personally were not too confident in Mohammad and his teachings while alive. WHich is why they see the next strongest belief made real.

Buddhist NDE experiences:
[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.shaktitechnology.com]
[link to www.near-death.com]

NDE seeing Krishna:
[link to www.lifepositive.com]

The universality of NDE's
Religion, Spirituality and the Near Death Experience
By Mark Fox
[link to books.google.co.in]
(I'm male, mid-40's, and live and work in India as a designer. Writing is a passion of mine, as is painting. My avatar represents my protagonist against the Illuminati -a female warrior.)
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Don't go there. Churches sometimes put out these publicity letters. The goal is money. The more converts to Christianity from other religions there is, more people who can donate money. Follow the money in all religions, and you will see the truth. THe muslims who saw 'Jesus Christ' personally were not too confident in Mohammad and his teachings while alive. WHich is why they see the next strongest belief made real.

Buddhist NDE experiences:
[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.shaktitechnology.com]
[link to www.near-death.com]

NDE seeing Krishna:
[link to www.lifepositive.com]

The universality of NDE's
Religion, Spirituality and the Near Death Experience
By Mark Fox
[link to books.google.co.in]
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In another thread, you were stating, in the afterlife, Christians would have churches, and Muslims would worship in mosques, and this information came from a lady that supposedly spoke with spirits.

In NDEs, I haven't yet came across a single person, seeing a church or a mosque. Despite, the fact the people, were shown extensive areas of the afterlife that included buildings.
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In Kothari's case, the effect of the NDE unfolded only later. After being discharged from the hospital, he could not recognize anyone for six months. He remembered the past vaguely. Then began the onslaught of deities. Kothari claims to have seen various deities sitting face to face with him in his house: "I used to see huge forms of Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira. One day, to my surprise, I saw millions of Lord Krishnas on my body, almost in each cell. If I looked down on the floor I could see 100 miles under the ground."
[link to www.lifepositive.com]
(I'm male, mid-40's, and live and work in India as a designer. Writing is a passion of mine, as is painting. My avatar represents my protagonist against the Illuminati -a female warrior.)
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In Kothari's case, the effect of the NDE unfolded only later. After being discharged from the hospital, he could not recognize anyone for six months. He remembered the past vaguely. Then began the onslaught of deities. Kothari claims to have seen various deities sitting face to face with him in his house: "I used to see huge forms of Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira. One day, to my surprise, I saw millions of Lord Krishnas on my body, almost in each cell. If I looked down on the floor I could see 100 miles under the ground."
[link to www.lifepositive.com]
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Here's an important piece, when studying NDEs.

Not all NDEs are clinical death experiences, but all clinical death experiences are NDEs.

One shows true information, not based on the subconscious.

Meaning one is true, the other is false.

What you shared, doesn't give enough information about the nature of the person's actual death.
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In Kothari's case, the effect of the NDE unfolded only later. After being discharged from the hospital, he could not recognize anyone for six months. He remembered the past vaguely. Then began the onslaught of deities. Kothari claims to have seen various deities sitting face to face with him in his house: "I used to see huge forms of Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira. One day, to my surprise, I saw millions of Lord Krishnas on my body, almost in each cell. If I looked down on the floor I could see 100 miles under the ground."
[link to www.lifepositive.com]
 Quoting: abhie


Here's an important piece, when studying NDEs.

Not all NDEs are clinical death experiences, but all clinical death experiences are NDEs.

One shows true information, not based on the subconscious.

Meaning one is true, the other is false.

What you shared, doesn't give enough information about the nature of the person's actual death.
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So would I be right in thinking that unless it has jesus in it, you do not believe it?
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When you die you die,
You can not see without your eyes and your eyes are attached to your biological computer. So if you wore to leave your computer and go into the "afterlife" you would not hear, see, smell nor touch ANYTHING. Since those senses are still in your decayed body. Seriously stop being so f****** stupid and just accept the notion that Annunakis created us in their liking then left for some reason letting the Reptilians and greys parasite on our frail minds.

And by afterlife you might mean awarness/consciousness.

You can only be aware when you have a computer to enter, but since consciousness resides in the right hemisphere of your brain (can link proof if needed). That destroyes the notion of an afterlife and that is just for people who are in desperate need for salvation.

Check my text does it resonate truth, accept it as your new perception of reality or stay in your old either way you will not go into an "afterlife". sorry.
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In Kothari's case, the effect of the NDE unfolded only later. After being discharged from the hospital, he could not recognize anyone for six months. He remembered the past vaguely. Then began the onslaught of deities. Kothari claims to have seen various deities sitting face to face with him in his house: "I used to see huge forms of Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira. One day, to my surprise, I saw millions of Lord Krishnas on my body, almost in each cell. If I looked down on the floor I could see 100 miles under the ground."
[link to www.lifepositive.com]
 Quoting: abhie


Here's an important piece, when studying NDEs.

Not all NDEs are clinical death experiences, but all clinical death experiences are NDEs.

One shows true information, not based on the subconscious.

Meaning one is true, the other is false.

What you shared, doesn't give enough information about the nature of the person's actual death.
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So would I be right in thinking that unless it has jesus in it, you do not believe it?
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There are cases without Jesus in it, and I do believe, since the people come across information that was previously unknown, and impossible to know about, but was later proven to be true.
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In Kothari's case, the effect of the NDE unfolded only later. After being discharged from the hospital, he could not recognize anyone for six months. He remembered the past vaguely. Then began the onslaught of deities. Kothari claims to have seen various deities sitting face to face with him in his house: "I used to see huge forms of Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira. One day, to my surprise, I saw millions of Lord Krishnas on my body, almost in each cell. If I looked down on the floor I could see 100 miles under the ground."
[link to www.lifepositive.com]
 Quoting: abhie


Here's an important piece, when studying NDEs.

Not all NDEs are clinical death experiences, but all clinical death experiences are NDEs.

One shows true information, not based on the subconscious.

Meaning one is true, the other is false.

What you shared, doesn't give enough information about the nature of the person's actual death.
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So would I be right in thinking that unless it has jesus in it, you do not believe it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40009642


Correct, he/she only promotes the NDE accounts that include Jesus/Hell/Bible themes and seeks to discount the credibility of any accounts/experiences that do not affirm these subject matters. It's been a long-running recruitment campaign on GLP if you're familiar with these threads.
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In another thread, you were stating, in the afterlife, Christians would have churches, and Muslims would worship in mosques, and this information came from a lady that supposedly spoke with spirits.

In NDEs, I haven't yet came across a single person, seeing a church or a mosque. Despite, the fact the people, were shown extensive areas of the afterlife that included buildings.
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NDE's are short term experiences. The area you reach during an NDE is a sort of an introductory ground. Spirits that know you , know that your time is not up. Most likely, you will be watched during an NDE to make sure your experiences are safe enough.
Its only wheen one dies that you are inducted back in that zone. That book you mention from my afterlife thread was authored by two spirits via their living mother. Since it is a book it goes into a lot of detail about the topography of the spirit world. Humans with a deep belief in Christianity are given speical places of worship that look like a church to slowly induct their spirits into the real spirit dimensions.
These experiences are only when you die.

NDE's are just a 'peep'. And during a peep you are not able to see indepth into that place. Because it you did, then it will affect your life when you return. WHich might make it difficult for you to continue living. Which is also the reason that the memories of your past life experiences are blocked from your conscious mind. If you did remember all the details of your past life, it could burn your emotions out. Circuit overload.

The thread you mention:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Last Edited by abhie on 05/19/2013 07:49 AM
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In Kothari's case, the effect of the NDE unfolded only later. After being discharged from the hospital, he could not recognize anyone for six months. He remembered the past vaguely. Then began the onslaught of deities. Kothari claims to have seen various deities sitting face to face with him in his house: "I used to see huge forms of Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira. One day, to my surprise, I saw millions of Lord Krishnas on my body, almost in each cell. If I looked down on the floor I could see 100 miles under the ground."
[link to www.lifepositive.com]
 Quoting: abhie


Here's an important piece, when studying NDEs.

Not all NDEs are clinical death experiences, but all clinical death experiences are NDEs.

One shows true information, not based on the subconscious.

Meaning one is true, the other is false.

What you shared, doesn't give enough information about the nature of the person's actual death.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40093825


So would I be right in thinking that unless it has jesus in it, you do not believe it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40009642


Correct, he/she only promotes the NDE accounts that include Jesus/Hell/Bible themes and seeks to discount the credibility of any accounts/experiences that do not affirm these subject matters. It's been a long-running recruitment campaign on GLP if you're familiar with these threads.
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False

There are many postive NDEs, with tunnels of lights, seeing the light, etc, that I believe.

But I don't solely examine these. I rather see the whole picture.
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There are many postive NDEs, with tunnels of lights, seeing the light, etc, that I believe.

But I don't solely examine these. I rather see the whole picture.
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Then why is it you make no effort to present the 'whole picture' to othes when you create your threads and present cherry-picked accounts that only affirm biblical themes while excluding the numerous accounts which do not affirm these subject matters???

hmm
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In another thread, you were stating, in the afterlife, Christians would have churches, and Muslims would worship in mosques, and this information came from a lady that supposedly spoke with spirits.

In NDEs, I haven't yet came across a single person, seeing a church or a mosque. Despite, the fact the people, were shown extensive areas of the afterlife that included buildings.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40093825


NDE's are short term experiences. The area you reach during an NDE is a sort of an introductory ground. Spirits that know you , know that your time is not up. Most likely, you will be watched during an NDE to make sure your experiences are safe enough.
Its only wheen one dies that you are inducted back in that zone. That book you mention from my afterlife thread was authored by two spirits via their living mother. Since it is a book it goes into a lot of detail about the topography of the spirit world. Humans with a deep belief in Christianity are given speical places of worship that look like a church to slowly induct their spirits into the real spirit dimensions.
These experiences are only when you die.

NDE's are just a 'peep'. And during a peep you are not able to see indepth into that place. Because it you did, then it will affect your life when you return. WHich might make it difficult for you to continue living.

The thread you mention:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: abhie


There are many others that too stated they were able to hear from spirits. Almost always, when these spirits then gave predictions, it then failed. Meaning these people were frauds.

Therefore, from these statistics, more than likely this woman is also a fraud, or delusional.
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False

There are many postive NDEs, with tunnels of lights, seeing the light, etc, that I believe.

But I don't solely examine these. I rather see the whole picture.
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Then why is it you make no effort to present the 'whole picture' to othes when you create your threads and present cherry-picked accounts that only affirm biblical themes while excluding the numerous accounts which do not affirm these subject matters???

hmm
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I already stated, that Dr. Moody's book, have all positive NDEs.
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Don't go there. Churches sometimes put out these publicity letters. The goal is money. The more converts to Christianity from other religions there is, more people who can donate money. Follow the money in all religions, and you will see the truth. THe muslims who saw 'Jesus Christ' personally were not too confident in Mohammad and his teachings while alive. WHich is why they see the next strongest belief made real.

Buddhist NDE experiences:
[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.shaktitechnology.com]
[link to www.near-death.com]

NDE seeing Krishna:
[link to www.lifepositive.com]

The universality of NDE's
Religion, Spirituality and the Near Death Experience
By Mark Fox
[link to books.google.co.in]
 Quoting: abhie


I'm looking over this link you provided
[link to www.shaktitechnology.com]

And 5 of the 11 people, I assume are Buddhists since they're in Thailand, are speaking of hell in their NDEs.

Here's one of the five:

The patient resisted, and asked, before she went back, to know if heaven and hell were real. The judge instructed the guides to take her on a tour of heaven and hell. She was taken to heaven first. Her experience of heaven was of a cool place where birds, flowers and beautiful houses were found in abundance. Hell was a place where souls were tortured in various ways, with whippings specifically mentioned.
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In another thread, you were stating, in the afterlife, Christians would have churches, and Muslims would worship in mosques, and this information came from a lady that supposedly spoke with spirits.

In NDEs, I haven't yet came across a single person, seeing a church or a mosque. Despite, the fact the people, were shown extensive areas of the afterlife that included buildings.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40093825


NDE's are short term experiences. The area you reach during an NDE is a sort of an introductory ground. Spirits that know you , know that your time is not up. Most likely, you will be watched during an NDE to make sure your experiences are safe enough.
Its only wheen one dies that you are inducted back in that zone. That book you mention from my afterlife thread was authored by two spirits via their living mother. Since it is a book it goes into a lot of detail about the topography of the spirit world. Humans with a deep belief in Christianity are given speical places of worship that look like a church to slowly induct their spirits into the real spirit dimensions.
These experiences are only when you die.

NDE's are just a 'peep'. And during a peep you are not able to see indepth into that place. Because it you did, then it will affect your life when you return. WHich might make it difficult for you to continue living.

The thread you mention:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: abhie


There are many others that too stated they were able to hear from spirits. Almost always, when these spirits then gave predictions, it then failed. Meaning these people were frauds.

Therefore, from these statistics, more than likely this woman is also a fraud, or delusional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40093825


The lady who wrote the book lost her two sons in an accident. She knew for certain that the two spirits that contacted her were that of her sons. Its something like when someone close to you dies, you experience 'contacts' with them in your dreams of waking moments.

This is becaue their memories are fresh, and the only spirit channels that are opened up by you for communication, after a tragic loss, are those that belong to them. This is the reason that the author wrote the book, becuase she knew who it was that was speaking to her.

Last Edited by abhie on 05/19/2013 08:01 AM
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Don't go there. Churches sometimes put out these publicity letters. The goal is money. The more converts to Christianity from other religions there is, more people who can donate money. Follow the money in all religions, and you will see the truth. THe muslims who saw 'Jesus Christ' personally were not too confident in Mohammad and his teachings while alive. WHich is why they see the next strongest belief made real.

Buddhist NDE experiences:
[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.shaktitechnology.com]
[link to www.near-death.com]

NDE seeing Krishna:
[link to www.lifepositive.com]

The universality of NDE's
Religion, Spirituality and the Near Death Experience
By Mark Fox
[link to books.google.co.in]
 Quoting: abhie


I'm looking over this link you provided
[link to www.shaktitechnology.com]

And 5 of the 11 people, I assume are Buddhists since they're in Thailand, are speaking of hell in their NDEs.

Here's one of the five:

The patient resisted, and asked, before she went back, to know if heaven and hell were real. The judge instructed the guides to take her on a tour of heaven and hell. She was taken to heaven first. Her experience of heaven was of a cool place where birds, flowers and beautiful houses were found in abundance. Hell was a place where souls were tortured in various ways, with whippings specifically mentioned.

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Yes. Not everybody goes to a nice place.
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In another thread, you were stating, in the afterlife, Christians would have churches, and Muslims would worship in mosques, and this information came from a lady that supposedly spoke with spirits.

In NDEs, I haven't yet came across a single person, seeing a church or a mosque. Despite, the fact the people, were shown extensive areas of the afterlife that included buildings.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40093825


NDE's are short term experiences. The area you reach during an NDE is a sort of an introductory ground. Spirits that know you , know that your time is not up. Most likely, you will be watched during an NDE to make sure your experiences are safe enough.
Its only wheen one dies that you are inducted back in that zone. That book you mention from my afterlife thread was authored by two spirits via their living mother. Since it is a book it goes into a lot of detail about the topography of the spirit world. Humans with a deep belief in Christianity are given speical places of worship that look like a church to slowly induct their spirits into the real spirit dimensions.
These experiences are only when you die.

NDE's are just a 'peep'. And during a peep you are not able to see indepth into that place. Because it you did, then it will affect your life when you return. WHich might make it difficult for you to continue living.

The thread you mention:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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There are many others that too stated they were able to hear from spirits. Almost always, when these spirits then gave predictions, it then failed. Meaning these people were frauds.

Therefore, from these statistics, more than likely this woman is also a fraud, or delusional.
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The lady who wrote the book lost her two sons in an accident. She knew for certain that the two spirits that contacted her were that of her sons. Its something like when someone close to you dies, you experience 'contacts' with them in your dreams of waking moments.

This is becaue their memories are fresh, and the only spirit channels that are opened up by you for communication are those that belong to them. This is the reason that the author wrote the book, becuase she knew who it was that was speaking to her.
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There's also people, who claim to hear from 'spirits' of the deceased, and then where proven completely wrong, when what the 'deceased' or 'spirit' said, was completely false. For example, with Silvia Brown, who stated, the missing girl was deceased, but then she later turned out alive.
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Don't go there. Churches sometimes put out these publicity letters. The goal is money. The more converts to Christianity from other religions there is, more people who can donate money. Follow the money in all religions, and you will see the truth. THe muslims who saw 'Jesus Christ' personally were not too confident in Mohammad and his teachings while alive. WHich is why they see the next strongest belief made real.

Buddhist NDE experiences:
[link to www.amazon.com]

[link to www.shaktitechnology.com]
[link to www.near-death.com]

NDE seeing Krishna:
[link to www.lifepositive.com]

The universality of NDE's
Religion, Spirituality and the Near Death Experience
By Mark Fox
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I'm looking over this link you provided
[link to www.shaktitechnology.com]

And 5 of the 11 people, I assume are Buddhists since they're in Thailand, are speaking of hell in their NDEs.

Here's one of the five:

The patient resisted, and asked, before she went back, to know if heaven and hell were real. The judge instructed the guides to take her on a tour of heaven and hell. She was taken to heaven first. Her experience of heaven was of a cool place where birds, flowers and beautiful houses were found in abundance. Hell was a place where souls were tortured in various ways, with whippings specifically mentioned.

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Yes. Not everybody goes to a nice place.
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Not a 'nice' place is a bit of an understatement. Again, 5 of the 11, so about 50% talked about hell, and here's more of this not so 'nice place'. Again, this comes from the link that you provided:

As he led me to hell's gate, I walked past a torture chamber. The first thing I saw was a big copper pot full of boiling water. It was full of people who cried out from fear.
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NDE's are short term experiences. The area you reach during an NDE is a sort of an introductory ground. Spirits that know you , know that your time is not up. Most likely, you will be watched during an NDE to make sure your experiences are safe enough.
Its only wheen one dies that you are inducted back in that zone. That book you mention from my afterlife thread was authored by two spirits via their living mother. Since it is a book it goes into a lot of detail about the topography of the spirit world. Humans with a deep belief in Christianity are given speical places of worship that look like a church to slowly induct their spirits into the real spirit dimensions.
These experiences are only when you die.

NDE's are just a 'peep'. And during a peep you are not able to see indepth into that place. Because it you did, then it will affect your life when you return. WHich might make it difficult for you to continue living.

The thread you mention:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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There are many others that too stated they were able to hear from spirits. Almost always, when these spirits then gave predictions, it then failed. Meaning these people were frauds.

Therefore, from these statistics, more than likely this woman is also a fraud, or delusional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40093825


The lady who wrote the book lost her two sons in an accident. She knew for certain that the two spirits that contacted her were that of her sons. Its something like when someone close to you dies, you experience 'contacts' with them in your dreams of waking moments.

This is becaue their memories are fresh, and the only spirit channels that are opened up by you for communication are those that belong to them. This is the reason that the author wrote the book, becuase she knew who it was that was speaking to her.
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There's also people, who claim to hear from 'spirits' of the deceased, and then where proven completely wrong, when what the 'deceased' or 'spirit' said, was completely false. For example, with Silvia Brown, who stated, the missing girl was deceased, but then she later turned out alive.
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Yes, true enough.
But read what I wrote again.
During a tragic loss, your mind and espeically the sub-conscious mind opens up psychic channels, and you recieve visions and messages from your loved ones. THis is only for a short time period. This contact is real ,and other demonic spirits or entities do not intrude, or are NOT allowed to come in. It is like, deep down you KNOW that the voice and dream you had was indeed by your loved on you lost.


During times when you have not had a traumatic experience or a tragic loss, your mind channels are open to being 'hijacked' by dark entities who pretend to be good spirits.

During these periods, 'Spirits' that talk to you in your mind, in a sort of silent voice do not necessarily represent positive good 'angelic' spirits. Some of the voices belong to demonic entities, who will lead you right part of the way , then swing you to their agenda after a period of these 'messages'. So, don't trust voices in your head. Your mind has one channel of communication. Many entities can access it.
Since human spirituality at the present stage is so seriously fu____d up because of all the false edicts of religion, that is since religion has occupied the place of real spiritual growth, many people do not know how to block negative entities from accessing their spiritual auras.

Which is the reason its better to avoid religion , and get in touch with your own spirit self.


Spirituality has a language. A dimension. Only if you are sensitive to it, do you actually learn.
Which is why religion was created. To prevent you from touching your own deeper self.

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Which is also the reason I have serious doubts of the experiences of Mohammad in the cave. He many not have been contacted by the 'good' spirit energies.

Demons too, can author a book.
Its all based on your motivation and the frequency of your spirit vibration. LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE. If the tragic loss of loved ones motivates you to seek out their spirits and contact them, then that is what you will get. If you are ego-centric, full of hatred born out of a wretched life, then your motivation will be to contact the dark energies and unleash your wrath on humans, which is what I think Mohammad did.

Letting your spiritual energies go unguarded, and having a dark and evil mind is an open invitation for the demonic entities to come in.
This is the reason one must keep his or her spirits positive, full of light, music and prayer. Be tough on the outside, but pray and be positive on the inside. Let your outer skin be think, full of scratches. But let your inside be like a flower.
Let your inside mind be a nice place for you to come back to.


Peace and love.
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There are many others that too stated they were able to hear from spirits. Almost always, when these spirits then gave predictions, it then failed. Meaning these people were frauds.

Therefore, from these statistics, more than likely this woman is also a fraud, or delusional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40093825


The lady who wrote the book lost her two sons in an accident. She knew for certain that the two spirits that contacted her were that of her sons. Its something like when someone close to you dies, you experience 'contacts' with them in your dreams of waking moments.

This is becaue their memories are fresh, and the only spirit channels that are opened up by you for communication are those that belong to them. This is the reason that the author wrote the book, becuase she knew who it was that was speaking to her.
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There's also people, who claim to hear from 'spirits' of the deceased, and then where proven completely wrong, when what the 'deceased' or 'spirit' said, was completely false. For example, with Silvia Brown, who stated, the missing girl was deceased, but then she later turned out alive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40093825


Yes, true enough.
But read what I wrote again.
During a tragic loss, your mind and espeically the sub-conscious mind opens up psychic channels, and you recieve visions and messages from your loved ones. THis is only for a short time period. This contact is real ,and other demonic spirits or entities do not intrude, or are NOT allowed to come in.
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If this was true.

Then common sense tells you, that many others would have also heard from their recently departed loved ones that there's also a church, mosque, etc in the afterlife.

But, she's the only one I'm aware of that speaks of this.
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The lady who wrote the book lost her two sons in an accident. She knew for certain that the two spirits that contacted her were that of her sons. Its something like when someone close to you dies, you experience 'contacts' with them in your dreams of waking moments.

This is becaue their memories are fresh, and the only spirit channels that are opened up by you for communication are those that belong to them. This is the reason that the author wrote the book, becuase she knew who it was that was speaking to her.
 Quoting: abhie


There's also people, who claim to hear from 'spirits' of the deceased, and then where proven completely wrong, when what the 'deceased' or 'spirit' said, was completely false. For example, with Silvia Brown, who stated, the missing girl was deceased, but then she later turned out alive.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40093825


Yes, true enough.
But read what I wrote again.
During a tragic loss, your mind and espeically the sub-conscious mind opens up psychic channels, and you recieve visions and messages from your loved ones. THis is only for a short time period. This contact is real ,and other demonic spirits or entities do not intrude, or are NOT allowed to come in.
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If this was true.

Then common sense tells you, that many others would have also heard from their recently departed loved ones that there's also a church, mosque, etc in the afterlife.
But, she's the only one I'm aware of that speaks of this.
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The two sons who died , loved their Mom dearly.
Somehow all the 'frequencies' were right to create an atmosphere to author a book, so that the book could be a guiding light to others who wish to understand the truth beyond the confusing myths and false stories of spirit afterlife.

Many others could have seen the same thing, but things didn't fall into place that would have created a book.
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False

There are many postive NDEs, with tunnels of lights, seeing the light, etc, that I believe.

But I don't solely examine these. I rather see the whole picture.
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Then why is it you make no effort to present the 'whole picture' to others when you create your threads and present cherry-picked accounts that only affirm biblical themes while excluding the numerous accounts which do not affirm these subject matters???

hmm
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I already stated, that Dr. Moody's book, have all positive NDEs.
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You are not addressing my question.. I asked why you make no effort to convey the 'whole picture' to others in your threads? Simply mentioning Moody's book and saying 'positive NDE's' is not conveying any information about the actual contents of the text nor the individual accounts of the wide-ranging experiences contained in it. You do not present any specific information in your threads about any NDE accounts that do not affirm the subject matters of Hell/Jesus/Bible - this is a fact.

Do you see a reoccuring theme contained in these threads?

Thread: Atheist dies, sees hell
Thread: Jesus appears in room of a former Hindu
Thread: Ex-marine's NDE hell testimony
Thread: What led me to Christianity
Thread: Jesus appears to terminallly ill atheist!
Thread: Extremely important information, that most here will ignore and disbelieve :(
Thread: If near death experiences are based on a person's belief and expectations, then why does...

They only present cherry-picked NDE accounts designed to steer the reader to ONE particular belief system. Why is that?

huh

Why do the medical professionals & doctors who study & document this phenomena for a living not attempt to convert others to their personal faith or to present only cases that affirm one particular belief system when they are reporting their findings/research? Is it because their reporting is objective and without any ulterior motives in mind?

Why not hold yourself to the same standards when discussing this phenomena with others?

hmm
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Which is also the reason I have serious doubts of the experiences of Mohammad in the cave. He many not have been contacted by the 'good' spirit energies.

Demons too, can author a book.
Its all based on your motivation and the frequency of your spirit vibration. LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE. If the tragic loss of loved ones motivates you to seek out their spirits and contact them, then that is what you will get. If you are ego-centric, full of hatred born out of a wretched life, then your motivation will be to contact the dark energies and unleash your wrath on humans, which is what I think Mohammad did.

Letting your spiritual energies go unguarded, and having a dark and evil mind is an open invitation for the demonic entities to come in.
This is the reason one must keep his or her spirits positive, full of light, music and prayer. Be tough on the outside, but pray and be positive on the inside. Let your outer skin be think, full of scratches. But let your inside be like a flower.
Let your inside mind be a nice place for you to come back to.


Peace and love.
hf
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I touched on demons in my first post.

I too believe they can deceive.

Let me add a couple of more bits of info. There's a real couple that were possessed or harassed by demons in China. They tried various, methods to exorcise the demons, they all failed. The only one that worked was a Christian method of exorcism.

There's an exorcist, who came to the same conclusion, after trying various methods from different religions. He found the one by Christians to be most powerful and effective.
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I think you are a devout Christian who may be trying to grasp reality. Its okay to be as you are. Just keep your soul pure.

It really doesn't matter if you continue to believe in Jesus.
You can get a lot of spiritual benefit from Christianity. My Mom is a deep believer in Christianity. I drove her to the church just this sunday morning. SHe reads the Bible everyday.

Its only when you question your beliefs that you leave the comfort of the big tree and its nice shade, and you begin to learn the truth.

But like I said, no harm in putting your faith in Jesus, so long as your soul is pure. Keep hatred, anger, and all the bad things away. And you are fine.
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Which is also the reason I have serious doubts of the experiences of Mohammad in the cave. He many not have been contacted by the 'good' spirit energies.

Demons too, can author a book.
Its all based on your motivation and the frequency of your spirit vibration. LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE. If the tragic loss of loved ones motivates you to seek out their spirits and contact them, then that is what you will get. If you are ego-centric, full of hatred born out of a wretched life, then your motivation will be to contact the dark energies and unleash your wrath on humans, which is what I think Mohammad did.

Letting your spiritual energies go unguarded, and having a dark and evil mind is an open invitation for the demonic entities to come in.
This is the reason one must keep his or her spirits positive, full of light, music and prayer. Be tough on the outside, but pray and be positive on the inside. Let your outer skin be think, full of scratches. But let your inside be like a flower.
Let your inside mind be a nice place for you to come back to.


Peace and love.
hf
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I touched on demons in my first post.

I too believe they can deceive.

Let me add a couple of more bits of info. There's a real couple that were possessed or harassed by demons in China. They tried various, methods to exorcise the demons, they all failed. The only one that worked was a Christian method of exorcism.

There's an exorcist, who came to the same conclusion, after trying various methods from different religions. He found the one by Christians to be most powerful and effective.
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Don't believe that. There are , have been shamanic people who have banished evil. LIsten to the stories of the American Indians, or the other shamans in South America. YOu will get a lot of stories. And many of those shamans would not have heard of Jesus.

LIke I mentioned, stop going there, ...in that direction.
Its like I ask you to look around your room and tell me how many GREEN objects are there. Then I ask you to close your eyes and tell me how many RED objects are there. Its what your mind is looking foe, ....is what you see.

Then I ask you to without
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OP: 'Regarding this phenomenon and current supernatural encounters with Jesus, so far I'm finding this only occurs with Jesus.'

OP, you are so completely and totally full of shit.

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Modern science has studied this phenomena and the ubiquitous results indicate nothing of the sort. If you want to push religion, you're barking up the wrong tree. You should just push the "blind faith" angle, because you won't get any takers in the contemporary age.

NDE, lucid dreams, OBE and visions are all the same thing. Nothing you say can refute this, because it has been studied and empirically proven to happen to all people. Christians have seen the buddha, rabbi's have seen absolutely nothing, atheists have seen talking toasters. This is all documented, despite your assertions in the OP. I personally have encountered people who refute your claims.

Good luck with the thread.





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