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Why NDEs are more than hallucinations, and connecting the dots revealing a single coherent reality

 
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False

There are many postive NDEs, with tunnels of lights, seeing the light, etc, that I believe.

But I don't solely examine these. I rather see the whole picture.
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Then why is it you make no effort to present the 'whole picture' to others when you create your threads and present cherry-picked accounts that only affirm biblical themes while excluding the numerous accounts which do not affirm these subject matters???

hmm
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I already stated, that Dr. Moody's book, have all positive NDEs.
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You are not addressing my question.. I asked why you make no effort to convey the 'whole picture' to others in your threads? Simply mentioning Moody's book and saying 'positive NDE's' is not conveying any information about the actual contents of the text nor the individual accounts of the wide-ranging experiences contained in it. You do not present any specific information in your threads about any NDE accounts that do not affirm the subject matters of Hell/Jesus/Bible - this is a fact.

Do you see a reoccuring theme contained in these threads?

Thread: Atheist dies, sees hell
Thread: Jesus appears in room of a former Hindu
Thread: Ex-marine's NDE hell testimony
Thread: What led me to Christianity
Thread: Jesus appears to terminallly ill atheist!
Thread: Extremely important information, that most here will ignore and disbelieve :(
Thread: If near death experiences are based on a person's belief and expectations, then why does...

They only present NDE accounts designed to steer the reader to ONE particular belief system. Why is that?

Why do the medical professionals & doctors who study & document this phenomena for a living not attempt to convert others to their personal faith or to present only cases that affirm one particular belief system when they are reporting their findings/research? Is it because their reporting is objective, without bias, and without any ulterior motives in mind?

hmm
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Look at the works of Dr Maurice Rawlings, he's an NDE researcher. Unlike Ph.D's who receive reports of the NDE second hand, Dr. Rawlings was actually there present, at the time of his patients NDEs.

So he's more aware of both positive and much more negative NDEs. And he does, support a Christian belief.

In addition, if you looked over my first post, I touch upon not only NDEs, but also demonology, and supernatural experiences that are outside of NDEs, that further support my viewpoint. Instead of being myopic, and only studying the positive NDEs.
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When you die you die,
You can not see without your eyes and your eyes are attached to your biological computer. So if you wore to leave your computer and go into the "afterlife" you would not hear, see, smell nor touch ANYTHING. Since those senses are still in your decayed body. Seriously stop being so f****** stupid and just accept the notion that Annunakis created us in their liking then left for some reason letting the Reptilians and greys parasite on our frail minds.

And by afterlife you might mean awarness/consciousness.

You can only be aware when you have a computer to enter, but since consciousness resides in the right hemisphere of your brain (can link proof if needed). That destroyes the notion of an afterlife and that is just for people who are in desperate need for salvation.

Check my text does it resonate truth, accept it as your new perception of reality or stay in your old either way you will not go into an "afterlife". sorry.
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So your proof is that you dont see how it would work?
How does that make everyone who has an NDE a liar or fool?
I know people who would have thought such would be evil or impossible but ended up having them and comforted in their last days.
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Which is also the reason I have serious doubts of the experiences of Mohammad in the cave. He many not have been contacted by the 'good' spirit energies.

Demons too, can author a book.
Its all based on your motivation and the frequency of your spirit vibration. LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE. If the tragic loss of loved ones motivates you to seek out their spirits and contact them, then that is what you will get. If you are ego-centric, full of hatred born out of a wretched life, then your motivation will be to contact the dark energies and unleash your wrath on humans, which is what I think Mohammad did.

Letting your spiritual energies go unguarded, and having a dark and evil mind is an open invitation for the demonic entities to come in.
This is the reason one must keep his or her spirits positive, full of light, music and prayer. Be tough on the outside, but pray and be positive on the inside. Let your outer skin be think, full of scratches. But let your inside be like a flower.
Let your inside mind be a nice place for you to come back to.


Peace and love.
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I touched on demons in my first post.

I too believe they can deceive.

Let me add a couple of more bits of info. There's a real couple that were possessed or harassed by demons in China. They tried various, methods to exorcise the demons, they all failed. The only one that worked was a Christian method of exorcism.

There's an exorcist, who came to the same conclusion, after trying various methods from different religions. He found the one by Christians to be most powerful and effective.
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Its what your mind is looking for, ....is what you see.


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That's good advice, for your self.
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Seriously stop being so f****** stupid and just accept the notion that Annunakis created us in their liking then left for some reason letting the Reptilians and greys parasite on our frail minds.
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Wasn't the Annunakis, supposed to have returned on their planet Nibiru already, according to Sitchin. Surely it would have already been seen and clearly identified.
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Christians have seen the buddha
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Share me with one single case, where a Christian saw Buddha in his NDE, and then converted to Buddhism.
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I too have spent much time researching this, and the plain fact of the matter is that even in of them while a Jesus isnt specifically mentioned, a very Jesus like figure is central in it to those who wouldnt know exactly whe Jesus was.
Plain fact is non Christoid NDE's are very rare.
Like the man says there are no NDE's that identify other specific non Jesus e nchtities that change anyones life directions.
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Look at the works of Dr Maurice Rawlings, he's an NDE researcher. Unlike Ph.D's who receive reports of the NDE second hand, Dr. Rawlings was actually there present, at the time of his patients NDEs.

So he's more aware of both positive and much more negative NDEs. And he does, support a Christian belief.

In addition, if you looked over my first post, I touch upon not only NDEs, but also demonology, and supernatural experiences that are outside of NDEs, that further support my viewpoint. Instead of being myopic, and only studying the positive NDEs.
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Bingo, to further support YOUR VIEWPOINT. Why not be honest with the readers and let everyone know from the start that you are attempting to steer them to christianity by only presenting NDE accounts that support christian themes while conveniently excluding any details of the countless NDE accounts that do not affirm those themes?

Oh and it's interesting that you mentioned Dr. Rawlings:

[link to www.examiner.com]
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He is also featured in many Christian educational programs and videos on the subject of near-death experiences.
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How many doctors who document this phenomena do not share Dr. Rawlings' personal faith/belief???

All one needs to do is conduct an Advanced Search GLP search for posts containing the word 'veridical' and see countless posts by the same user repeatedly posting about only NDE's that feature 'hell' or Jesus... Why not just speak openly and be straightforward about your agenda to recruit others to your religious faith by presenting a subjective selection of hand-picked NDE accounts?

We both know if you if you wanted to remain objective about this complex subject matter & not well understood phenomena that you would present a wide range of NDE accounts whether they support christian themes or not, and then allow the reader to make up his/her mind about them. But it's readily apparent from your post history that this is not your intention.
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negative/postive experiences are both subjective.

If an unconscious person is confronted with all their buried emotions, they will feel sad and will not know why. In turn, labeling the experience negative.

A conscious person would realize that these emotions are their own that have not been dealt with and are surfacing to be healed. creating a healing, positive experience.
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Let me elaborate and give a real specific example of a negative NDE.

A woman, attempted suicide. She then felt, her spirit / soul descend downwards. She then heard countless screams, and sulphuric acid burning her body.
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The Spirit world make up is energy. Thoughts/feelings are energy. A strong christian indoctrinate will have no problems creating this for the holder.
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Its obvious that some here are desperately afraid to acknowledge that the NDE experiences are overwhelmingly Christoid in orientation.
The assumption that the experiences are varied and proportionally representational of all cultures is clearly not the case.
Give it a rest since you know youre automatically averse to the proposition or the evidence
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Look at the works of Dr Maurice Rawlings, he's an NDE researcher. Unlike Ph.D's who receive reports of the NDE second hand, Dr. Rawlings was actually there present, at the time of his patients NDEs.

So he's more aware of both positive and much more negative NDEs. And he does, support a Christian belief.

In addition, if you looked over my first post, I touch upon not only NDEs, but also demonology, and supernatural experiences that are outside of NDEs, that further support my viewpoint. Instead of being myopic, and only studying the positive NDEs.
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Bingo, to further support YOUR VIEWPOINT. Why not be honest with the readers and let everyone know from the start that you are attempting to steer them to christianity by only presenting NDE accounts that support christian themes while conveniently excluding any details of the countless NDE accounts that do not affirm those themes?

Oh and it's interesting that you mentioned Dr. Rawlings:

[link to www.examiner.com]
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He is also featured in many Christian educational programs and videos on the subject of near-death experiences.
------

How many doctors who document this phenomena do not share Dr. Rawlings' personal faith/belief???
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As already stated, the current president of a non-Christain organization, International Association for Near-Death Studies, that was founded by a non-Christian, Dr. Moody, who looked over 1000s of NDEs, are finding that there are indeed both postive and negative NDEs.

But people like you, who only look at postive NDEs, don't care to know this.

Again, I touch on other subjects, demonology, and supernatural encounters with Jesus, that are outside of NDEs.

I prefer to see the whole picture.
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negative/postive experiences are both subjective.

If an unconscious person is confronted with all their buried emotions, they will feel sad and will not know why. In turn, labeling the experience negative.

A conscious person would realize that these emotions are their own that have not been dealt with and are surfacing to be healed. creating a healing, positive experience.
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Let me elaborate and give a real specific example of a negative NDE.

A woman, attempted suicide. She then felt, her spirit / soul descend downwards. She then heard countless screams, and sulphuric acid burning her body.
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The Spirit world make up is energy. Thoughts/feelings are energy. A strong christian indoctrinate will have no problems creating this for the holder.
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As stated, there are cases, in which the person who is not a Christian, will still for example see Jesus. In addition, they came across information, that wasn't known to them, about the Bible, but later proven to be so after reading the Bible.

Meaning, that these people were not indoctrinated, but still saw a reality, which was supported by the Bible.
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The people they saw did NOT introduce themselves as, for instance, Jesus. These were interpretations by the person.

The question should be, why were they not corrected? The answer would be that if a person was told "I'm not Jesus, Jesus never existed" and the person brought this information back and told others, the "others" would launch a counter attack on the experiencer - it would not accomplish anything.

Basically, the other side knows it's better to just let us believe our delusions, because in the end it doesn't make a bit of difference.

BTW, if you are going to study NDEs, the best place to begin is with innocent children.
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The people they saw did NOT introduce themselves as, for instance, Jesus. These were interpretations by the person.

The question should be, why were they not corrected? The answer would be that if a person was told "I'm not Jesus, Jesus never existed" and the person brought this information back and told others, the "others" would launch a counter attack on the experiencer - it would not accomplish anything.

Basically, the other side knows it's better to just let us believe our delusions, because in the end it doesn't make a bit of difference.

BTW, if you are going to study NDEs, the best place to begin is with innocent children.
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There are cases of little kids, some as young as 4 and even younger, seeing Jesus.

These kids, then saw the deceased, and learned things that they didn't know about, but then the information was proven and researched to be true.

This shows, the experience was not imagined, and in the same experience they also saw Jesus.
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The people they saw did NOT introduce themselves as, for instance, Jesus. These were interpretations by the person.

The question should be, why were they not corrected? The answer would be that if a person was told "I'm not Jesus, Jesus never existed" and the person brought this information back and told others, the "others" would launch a counter attack on the experiencer - it would not accomplish anything.

Basically, the other side knows it's better to just let us believe our delusions, because in the end it doesn't make a bit of difference.

BTW, if you are going to study NDEs, the best place to begin is with innocent children.
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If there is a god having universal love and reunion at some other plane of exixtende I'd think a name and color would be unnecessary on a higher plane of existence especially since these things are in many ways the very source of the problems regarding getting along on earth.
Obviously a persistent spirit entity is a requirement for reicarnation, and the only proper purpose for reincarnations is for accumulation of experiences and possibly some awareness of a universal purpose.

There is nothing that demands that everyone has the same experience, in life, in death or in near death. Anyones personal experiences may be theirs for their own reasons and may not need to be understood by anyone else.
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The people they saw did NOT introduce themselves as, for instance, Jesus. These were interpretations by the person
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False

There are cases, where the person are told, that it's Jesus.

In addition, they see the crucifixion wounds of Jesus. This is especially significant with Muslims, who saw this. Since Islam, teaches that Jesus was never crucified. After the experience, the Muslim left Islam and converted to Christianity. This occurred with many Muslims.

The same can't be said with Christians, who saw Muhammad and converted to Islam. Since both Christians, and Muslims, haven's seen Muhammad in their NDEs, from what I came across so far.

In addition, Christians, or any other religious group, in their NDEs, haven't seen Isa, the Jesus version in the Quran, and then converted to Islam.
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The people they saw did NOT introduce themselves as, for instance, Jesus. These were interpretations by the person.

The question should be, why were they not corrected? The answer would be that if a person was told "I'm not Jesus, Jesus never existed" and the person brought this information back and told others, the "others" would launch a counter attack on the experiencer - it would not accomplish anything.

Basically, the other side knows it's better to just let us believe our delusions, because in the end it doesn't make a bit of difference.

BTW, if you are going to study NDEs, the best place to begin is with innocent children.
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There are cases of little kids, some as young as 4 and even younger, seeing Jesus.

These kids, then saw the deceased, and learned things that they didn't know about, but then the information was proven and researched to be true.

This shows, the experience was not imagined, and in the same experience they also saw Jesus.
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The impossible only needs to be demonstrated once to be possible, The truth, or facts dont require the acceptance or validation of naysayers which indeed have their own agendas which make accepting various truths intolerable for them
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The presence of negative NDEs in some in no way invalidates positive NDE's in others.
This is classic, liberals need even to steal or invalidate the dreams and perceptions of others, proving yet again that liberals need to steal from others in all things in order to validate themselves
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As already stated, the current president of a non-Christain organization, International Association for Near-Death Studies, that was founded by a non-Christian, Dr. Moody, who looked over 1000s of NDEs, are finding that there are indeed both postive and negative NDEs.

But people like you, who only look at postive NDEs, don't care to know this.

Again, I touch on other subjects, demonology, and supernatural encounters with Jesus, that are outside of NDEs.

I prefer to see the whole picture.
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How can you possibly attest to what I have researched? I have not created a single thread about NDE testimonies now have I? Nor have I attempted to recruit others to adopt my personal beliefs by only presenting subjective accounts that cater towards those beliefs while excluding those accounts that do not.

I am well aware of the negative accounts which are thoroughly documented on websites like Near-Death and also documented in various texts about this subject matter as well as covered on radio shows like Coast To Coast who routinely feature guests who discuss the full spectrum of this phenomena in their interviews. The Biography channel program (I Survived Beyond & Back) also featured accounts of negative NDE's as did a documentery on the History channel.

I'll tell you what, since you love creating threads about NDE's, why don't you start a thread requesting GLP'ers to share their NDE accounts? There are plenty of users on here who have reported having these experiences in various threads over the years. Why not hear their first-hand testimonies where you can ask those individuals questions about what they experienced and how those experiences affected and changed them in various ways? Or might this potentially be counter-productive to your cause?

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The people they saw did NOT introduce themselves as, for instance, Jesus. These were interpretations by the person
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False

There are cases, where the person are told, that it's Jesus.

In addition, they see the crucifixion wounds of Jesus. This is especially significant with Muslims, who saw this. Since Islam, teaches that Jesus was never crucified. After the experience, the Muslim left Islam and converted to Christianity. This occurred with many Muslims.

The same can't be said with Christians, who saw Muhammad and converted to Islam. Since both Christians, and Muslims, haven's seen Muhammad in their NDEs, from what I came across so far.

In addition, Christians, or any other religious group, in their NDEs, haven't seen Isa, the Jesus version in the Quran, and then converted to Islam.
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If that be the case, and I haven't read one case like that, since history proves "Jesus" is NOT a legitimate character, then the entire picture is a lie. From this point it has to be established if the individual case is a fraud, or it is all a fraud. There is no "Jesus" of "God". All religion is nothing more than very old made up interpretations of life.
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Its obvious that some here are desperately afraid to acknowledge that the NDE experiences are overwhelmingly Christoid in orientation.
The assumption that the experiences are varied and proportionally representational of all cultures is clearly not the case.
Give it a rest since you know youre automatically averse to the proposition or the evidence
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Yes, this is what I'm finding.

Let me add, in the Bible, we're suppose to in general love God and our neighbors.

What I find in NDE's, is that these 2 points are again stressed.

For example, many people during their life reviews, learn one of the most important things to do in this life, is to be kind, helpful, and loving to everyone. They find that their fame and success on this Earth, means nothing in the afterlife.

Others during these NDEs, also learn it's essential to accept Jesus.
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As already stated, the current president of a non-Christain organization, International Association for Near-Death Studies, that was founded by a non-Christian, Dr. Moody, who looked over 1000s of NDEs, are finding that there are indeed both postive and negative NDEs.

But people like you, who only look at postive NDEs, don't care to know this.

Again, I touch on other subjects, demonology, and supernatural encounters with Jesus, that are outside of NDEs.

I prefer to see the whole picture.
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How can you possibly attest to what I have researched? I have not created a single thread about NDE testimonies now have I? Nor have I attempted to recruit others to adopt my personal beliefs by only presenting subjective accounts that cater towards those beliefs while excluding those accounts that do not.

I am well aware of the negative accounts which are thoroughly documented on websites like Near-Death and also documented in various texts about this subject matter as well as covered on radio shows like Coast To Coast who routinely feature guests who discuss the full spectrum of this phenomena in their interviews. The Biography channel program (I Survived Beyond & Back) also featured accounts of negative NDE's as did a documentery on the History channel.

I'll tell you what, since you love creating threads about NDE's, why don't you start a thread requesting GLP'ers to share their NDE accounts? There are plenty of users on here who have reported having these experiences in various threads over the years. Why not hear their first-hand testimonies where you can ask those individuals questions about what they experienced and how those experiences affected and changed them in various ways? Or might this potentially be counter-productive to your cause?

huh
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I saw two really good ones here. One positive, and one was negative.

You make it seem like I'm clueless about the positive NDEs. For me to focus solely on positive NDEs, would be like preaching to the choir. Pretty much everyone are aware of the tunnel of light, seeing the deceased in a heavenly location, the life review, etc. This would be nothing new to most. If this was only shared, they won't see the whole picture.
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The people they saw did NOT introduce themselves as, for instance, Jesus. These were interpretations by the person
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False

There are cases, where the person are told, that it's Jesus.

In addition, they see the crucifixion wounds of Jesus. This is especially significant with Muslims, who saw this. Since Islam, teaches that Jesus was never crucified. After the experience, the Muslim left Islam and converted to Christianity. This occurred with many Muslims.

The same can't be said with Christians, who saw Muhammad and converted to Islam. Since both Christians, and Muslims, haven's seen Muhammad in their NDEs, from what I came across so far.

In addition, Christians, or any other religious group, in their NDEs, haven't seen Isa, the Jesus version in the Quran, and then converted to Islam.
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If that be the case, and I haven't read one case like that, since history proves "Jesus" is NOT a legitimate character, then the entire picture is a lie. From this point it has to be established if the individual case is a fraud, or it is all a fraud. There is no "Jesus" of "God". All religion is nothing more than very old made up interpretations of life.
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They found homes, prior to 50 AD, that had alters with crosses on them. Doesn't sound like history disproved Jesus, with absolute certainty.
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As already stated, the current president of a non-Christain organization, International Association for Near-Death Studies, that was founded by a non-Christian, Dr. Moody, who looked over 1000s of NDEs, are finding that there are indeed both postive and negative NDEs.

But people like you, who only look at postive NDEs, don't care to know this.

Again, I touch on other subjects, demonology, and supernatural encounters with Jesus, that are outside of NDEs.

I prefer to see the whole picture.
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How can you possibly attest to what I have researched? I have not created a single thread about NDE testimonies now have I? Nor have I attempted to recruit others to adopt my personal beliefs by only presenting subjective accounts that cater towards those beliefs while excluding those accounts that do not.

I am well aware of the negative accounts which are thoroughly documented on websites like Near-Death and also documented in various texts about this subject matter as well as covered on radio shows like Coast To Coast who routinely feature guests who discuss the full spectrum of this phenomena in their interviews. The Biography channel program (I Survived Beyond & Back) also featured accounts of negative NDE's as did a documentery on the History channel.

I'll tell you what, since you love creating threads about NDE's, why don't you start a thread requesting GLP'ers to share their NDE accounts? There are plenty of users on here who have reported having these experiences in various threads over the years. Why not hear their first-hand testimonies where you can ask those individuals questions about what they experienced and how those experiences affected and changed them in various ways? Or might this potentially be counter-productive to your cause?

huh
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As a side-note, I saw a post where you were going to start reading Williams Bulhman's work, on OBE. I had abandoned all religions for many years, and searched for truth. I tried Bulhman's method a little over 10 years ago, and it does work. I tried another method, by Robert Monroe, and it too works incredible for getting out of the body. I even taught the method to someone, and he was successful during his first OBE attempt.

I'm bring this up, to let you know I can relate to you. I too abandoned all religions, to seek truth for many years. The irony is that this search, led me to finding evidence for a Christianity.
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The NDE's that are positive always seem centered around GENUINE concern and effort that is classic simplicity of Christs direct speech.
No references to obsequious and often cynical ritualism of judeochristianity ever seem to garner positive compensation in NDE, in fact those seem to be identified for what they are, which is insincere.
Just imagine how the world could change overnight if people simply started treating others they way they'd want to be treated?
No endless pouring over obscure texts, fanciful interpretations, factionalism, but simple intentional courtesy and mutual respect, and it would be a paradise overnight.
Yet there are those that intentionally refuse to let go of their tribalism, ritualism or predatory behaviors because they think that this is all there is or all there will ever be
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The people they saw did NOT introduce themselves as, for instance, Jesus. These were interpretations by the person
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False

There are cases, where the person are told, that it's Jesus.

In addition, they see the crucifixion wounds of Jesus. This is especially significant with Muslims, who saw this. Since Islam, teaches that Jesus was never crucified. After the experience, the Muslim left Islam and converted to Christianity. This occurred with many Muslims.

The same can't be said with Christians, who saw Muhammad and converted to Islam. Since both Christians, and Muslims, haven's seen Muhammad in their NDEs, from what I came across so far.

In addition, Christians, or any other religious group, in their NDEs, haven't seen Isa, the Jesus version in the Quran, and then converted to Islam.
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If that be the case, and I haven't read one case like that, since history proves "Jesus" is NOT a legitimate character, then the entire picture is a lie. From this point it has to be established if the individual case is a fraud, or it is all a fraud. There is no "Jesus" of "God". All religion is nothing more than very old made up interpretations of life.
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They found homes, prior to 50 AD, that had alters with crosses on them. Doesn't sound like history disproved Jesus, with absolute certainty.
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Fact is there is more evidence of the life of Jesus than there is of King David.
Go figure, so I guess there are no hebrews anymore because there is no proof of him...
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As already stated, the current president of a non-Christain organization, International Association for Near-Death Studies, that was founded by a non-Christian, Dr. Moody, who looked over 1000s of NDEs, are finding that there are indeed both postive and negative NDEs.

But people like you, who only look at postive NDEs, don't care to know this.

Again, I touch on other subjects, demonology, and supernatural encounters with Jesus, that are outside of NDEs.

I prefer to see the whole picture.
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How can you possibly attest to what I have researched? I have not created a single thread about NDE testimonies now have I? Nor have I attempted to recruit others to adopt my personal beliefs by only presenting subjective accounts that cater towards those beliefs while excluding those accounts that do not.

I am well aware of the negative accounts which are thoroughly documented on websites like Near-Death and also documented in various texts about this subject matter as well as covered on radio shows like Coast To Coast who routinely feature guests who discuss the full spectrum of this phenomena in their interviews. The Biography channel program (I Survived Beyond & Back) also featured accounts of negative NDE's as did a documentery on the History channel.

I'll tell you what, since you love creating threads about NDE's, why don't you start a thread requesting GLP'ers to share their NDE accounts? There are plenty of users on here who have reported having these experiences in various threads over the years. Why not hear their first-hand testimonies where you can ask those individuals questions about what they experienced and how those experiences affected and changed them in various ways? Or might this potentially be counter-productive to your cause?

huh
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As a side-note, I saw a post where you were going to start reading Williams Bulhman's work, on OBE. I had abandoned all religions for many years, and searched for truth. I tried Bulhman's method a little over 10 years ago, and it does work. I tried another method, by Robert Monroe, and it too works incredible for getting out of the body. I even taught the method to someone, and he was successful during his first OBE attempt.

I'm bring this up, to let you know I can relate to you. I too abandoned all religions, to seek truth for many years. The irony is that this search, led me to finding evidence for a Christianity.
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The important point to take away is that the direct teachings of Jesus are the only ones which if applied would change the world. The rest of the religions simply attempt to legitimize their own superiority and imperialistic entitlement over others.
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When you die you die,
You can not see without your eyes and your eyes are attached to your biological computer. So if you wore to leave your computer and go into the "afterlife" you would not hear, see, smell nor touch ANYTHING. Since those senses are still in your decayed body. Seriously stop being so f****** stupid and just accept the notion that Annunakis created us in their liking then left for some reason letting the Reptilians and greys parasite on our frail minds.

And by afterlife you might mean awarness/consciousness.

You can only be aware when you have a computer to enter, but since consciousness resides in the right hemisphere of your brain (can link proof if needed). That destroyes the notion of an afterlife and that is just for people who are in desperate need for salvation.

Check my text does it resonate truth, accept it as your new perception of reality or stay in your old either way you will not go into an "afterlife". sorry.
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Staunchly disagree. Reason? Personal experiences.
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I saw two really good ones here. One positive, and one was negative.

You make it seem like I'm clueless about the positive NDEs. For me to focus solely on positive NDEs, would be like preaching to the choir. Pretty much everyone are aware of the tunnel of light, seeing the deceased in a heavenly location, the life review, etc. This would be nothing new to most. If this was only shared, they won't see the whole picture.
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Who told you that you need to only share positive NDE's? Can you please document where I have ever said such a thing? I have instead repeatedly requested that you report the 'wide range' and 'full spectrum' of NDE accounts and then allow the readers to make up their own minds without your trying to encourage them to conform to your personal beliefs in the process. In what world do the phrases 'wide range' and 'full spectrum' not include the negative accounts?

huh

Regarding your post above - so if an individual had a 'positive' NDE and met their deceased family members, had a life review, and there was no Jesus present - what need would that individual have upon returning to convert to christianity??? Can you explain this for me? Are these accounts of somehow of less significance than the ones you report on?

In the conversations I have had with individuals who reported positive NDE's, they have returned only to stressthe importance of embracing unconditional love and forgiveness - not any requirement or necessity to adopt any particular religious faith or dogmatic belief system. They have reinforced universal messages of wisdom in the form of two principles that apply to all humans equally and that operate outside the confines of any one particular religious faith or belief system.
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When you die you die,
You can not see without your eyes and your eyes are attached to your biological computer. So if you wore to leave your computer and go into the "afterlife" you would not hear, see, smell nor touch ANYTHING. Since those senses are still in your decayed body. Seriously stop being so f****** stupid and just accept the notion that Annunakis created us in their liking then left for some reason letting the Reptilians and greys parasite on our frail minds.

And by afterlife you might mean awarness/consciousness.

You can only be aware when you have a computer to enter, but since consciousness resides in the right hemisphere of your brain (can link proof if needed). That destroyes the notion of an afterlife and that is just for people who are in desperate need for salvation.

Check my text does it resonate truth, accept it as your new perception of reality or stay in your old either way you will not go into an "afterlife". sorry.
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Staunchly disagree. Reason? Personal experiences.
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By the way, your sig about DMT and the Akashic reminds me.

I know some state, the NDE, is nothing but a DMT experience. But notice when someone takes a hallucinogen or DMT. If you read their experiences, and compare it to an NDE, it's distinctly different. For example in an NDE, some common elements, are the tunnel of light, life review, seeing the deceased in a heavenly location. For those who straight up take DMT, the experience is much more varied, and don't have these elements.

I personally tried a hallucinogen, awhile back, and I certainly didn't have an experience similar to an NDE.

Also regarding the akashic records, I know Edgar Cayce spoke about this a lot. I use to study his works heavily. What made me begin to doubt his works, is when his multiple predictions never came about, which he gave for specific years in the past.
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I saw two really good ones here. One positive, and one was negative.

You make it seem like I'm clueless about the positive NDEs. For me to focus solely on positive NDEs, would be like preaching to the choir. Pretty much everyone are aware of the tunnel of light, seeing the deceased in a heavenly location, the life review, etc. This would be nothing new to most. If this was only shared, they won't see the whole picture.
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Who told you that you need to only share positive NDE's? Can you please document where I have ever said such a thing? I have instead repeatedly requested that you report the 'wide range' and 'full spectrum' of NDE accounts and then allow the readers to make up their own minds without your trying to encourage them to conform to your personal beliefs in the process. In what world do the phrases 'wide range' and 'full spectrum' not include the negative accounts?

huh

Regarding your post above - so if an individual had a 'positive' NDE and met their deceased family members, had a life review, and there was no Jesus present - what need would that individual have upon returning to convert to christianity??? Can you explain this for me? Are these accounts of somehow of less significance than the ones you report on?

In the conversations I have had with individuals who reported positive NDE's, they have returned only to stressthe importance of embracing unconditional love and forgiveness - not any requirement or necessity to adopt any particular religious faith or dogmatic belief system. They have reinforced universal messages of wisdom in the form of two principles that apply to all humans equally and that operate outside the confines of any one particular religious faith or belief system.
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Let me repost this again.

Let me add, in the Bible, we're suppose to in general love God and our neighbors.

What I find in NDE's, is that these 2 points are again stressed.

For example, many people during their life reviews, learn one of the most important things to do in this life, is to be kind, helpful, and loving to everyone. They find that their fame and success on this Earth, means nothing in the afterlife.

Others during these NDEs, also learn it's essential to accept Jesus.


So, do you want to do one? Or, why do both?





GLP