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Sandy Hook: Are most people crying "hoax" shills?

 
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Think about it - what's the number one slam you see in the regular media that is used to discredit people asking questions about Sandy Hook?

"Those crazy truthers say it was a hoax."

I don't doubt for one second that real people run the entire spectrum of opinions on Sandy Hook, and that that spectrum includes people who genuinely believe it was a hoax.

But what's the number one reason all other people questioning Sandy Hook are consigned to credibility trash heap? It's being lumped in with people who (allegedly) think the entire incident was a "hoax."

I see a concerted number of people are trying to make it seem as if the prevailing opinion, among people who question Sandy Hook, is that it was a "hoax." That cry of "hoax" is the single most significant reason the 95% of the rest of the theories are discounted.

That's a little too convenient, don't you think?

I notice that when my "I don't really think it was a hoax" tone gets too loud, someone always comes along with a bunch of (feigned?) profanity, screaming "Shut up, it was a hoax and everyone knows it!"

Imagine this: You're a governor, and under your watch, a mass slaughter of children has taken place, some of whose deaths were likely contributed to by the actions/inactions of State employees. Or you know there were about four guys shooting that school up, they all got away, and you barely managed to provide a body as a stand-in for "the lone killer." Or you know State police went in and interfered with local response, so badly in fact, that lives were lost or even friendly fire cost a life here or there, and you have to cover that up.

The last thing you want is people talking about any of the above theories. Wouldn't you go out of your way to generate a more scandalous theory yet, or knowing that people have a tendency to jump on the "hoax" bandwagon rather naturally, wouldn't you heartily encourage that theory? Knowing it would all but obscure the relatively less-interesting theory of a State screw-up?

Listen to any major media source that has taken pot shots at people asking questions--they always, always resort to pointing out how ridiculous it is to believe Sandy Hook was a "hoax." And in that one statement, they write off ALL people with an alternate theory.

As the man said, "Who benefits?"

Again, I don't doubt some actually think it was a hoax, but I firmly believe there are people paid to post pro-hoax rants as a way of sabotaging serious investigation.
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Well since I'm the owner of this website I suppose I'm benefiting by all the traffic that the conspiracy people churn up!
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And if you're really doing some mental calisthenics, you could say I'm just posting all that to discredit all hoax theories.

But if you do the math, there are far more theories being single-handedly sabotaged by pro-hoax people than the other way around.
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Need to define a "hoax". People can view that term in such a broad spectrum. Bottom line is - if even one component, be it the Parker's or Rosen, or Carver or anyone else that's been on the dog and pony show is lying or altering the truth and know more than what is being told, it defines a "hoax" in my book. It doesn't matter if "1" died, or all died or none died.....a hoax is a hoax. Whether false flag or incompetently failed event, it's still a hoax. There was no Adam Lanza /slash MURDERER as the official story reports and continues to propogate. And now they want to change the laws on finding out the TRUTH?!
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Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence."
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Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence."
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Zephyr - You must work for Sheila.

You are a noted, obvious shill.

Still peddling the same BS.

Sandy Hook was a hoax.

No one believes it.

Just stop already... You're a joke.

Out of all the people that seriously questioned the grand theatre that was Sandy Hook, its interesting to note that you've been the one remaining constant, bleatng in the background, gently steering fence sitters into entertaining the official story with scripted "plausible" responses.

Also interesting to note you've not been banned, because almost everyone else has been.... Yet curiously, ou're remained.
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Oh yeah.... Page 7

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Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence."
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Zephyr - You must work for Sheila.

You are a noted, obvious shill.

Still peddling the same BS.

Sandy Hook was a hoax.

No one believes it.

Just stop already... You're a joke.

Out of all the people that seriously questioned the grand theatre that was Sandy Hook, its interesting to note that you've been the one remaining constant, bleatng in the background, gently steering fence sitters into entertaining the official story with scripted "plausible" responses.

Also interesting to note you've not been banned, because almost everyone else has been.... Yet curiously, ou're remained.
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I really don't care if it was stated, partly staged, or a coverup of a massacre. Either way, real people are responsible. Best I can tell, that includes a trail of individuals leading from Aurelia to Malloy.

Fine - let's say it was a hoax. That trail of people is complicit. If it was a mass kidnapping (as I still maintain is possible), that trail of people is complicit. If no one died but for some reason State police worked all day to make sure the public think peopled died, that trail of people is complicit, with the possible exception of people like Aurelia; I think it's possible that low level employees are being manipulated, emotionally, to comply.

For example, how hard would it be to convince a local resident of Newtown, a lady in her 50s or 60s, that she and she alone is responsible for keeping slavering "outsiders" from the precious, personal documents of the victims? Dude, all it would take is one hint dropped in a conversation, and that lady would do all the work for whomever's calling the shots--and do it without one more prompting.

The thing is that with the exception of the (few?) people who absolutely positively know the official story is a lie, everyone else--locally, regionally, and nationally--believes wholeheartedly that 27 people died. They're going to behave as if 27 people died. They're going to make plans as if 27 people died. They're going to write media reports as if 27 people died. They're going to draft legislation as if 27 people died.

The simple fact that many people are behaving as if 27 people died gives us absolutely zero clue as to whether or not each of those people is a "hoaxter." Aurelia may have gone from solid citizen to "hoaxter" overnight; or she may have been told by an emotional Newtown cop--who didn't see one drop of blood but was told not to go in since he was a parent--that 20 kids died. What's Aurelia's reaction going to be? Hell, the cop already believes it. So of COURSE she believes it.

Or, again, she could be a completely slick operator, trained somewhere else over the last two years to perpetuate this planned hoax. I don't doubt for a single second that such a thing is possible.

But if I were planning a hoax, I would tell the fewest people possible, knowing that everyone else would gullibly believe it to be true as long as no one saw the actual scene.

Who actually saw--in other words, claims to have seen--the scene? When you get down to it, it's an incredibly small number of people, and even that number of people is only discoverable through hearsay and "interviews" with media. For all we know, two or three State officers prevented anyone entering the classrooms, beginning at about 15 minutes into the event. There is absolutely no evidence more than a few people saw those classrooms, and again, even that "evidence" is just unsworn mumblings to shaky media outlets.

I guess my whole point is that it doesn't matter what any of us think the outcome of investigating Sandy Hook will prove. The same steps need to be taken whether those of us taking them feel we are going to expose a 100% staged event, or whether we think the kids are being held hostage right now, or whether we think officials screwed up and cost lives and are covering their tracks, or anything in between. Literally the same steps.

So deciding this person is a "pro hoax shill" or that person is an "anti hoax shill," while I too find it interesting, just distracts from the real work, which again, would be the same, regardless.

Whoever the individual is who decided to blab on Malloy is a hero--one of the very few in this story so far. We desperately need some breaks like that to start cracking this case, regardless of what we find inside. If we don't keep the pressure on, first Connecticut and then other states will start (well, continue) to pass bogus laws that erode freedoms. That erosion is happening regardless of whether we think Sandy Hook is a hoax, or something else. To me, that erosion is paramount.

So if I'm a little anti-hoax...and the other poster is right, we really haven't defined that term well...it's only because, just like the MSM version, a "hoax" version is ill defined and unfairly discounts all other options. MSM screams, "It happened exactly the way we say, shut up!" and I find that other people yell, "It was a total hoax, shut up!" I don't think shutting up is the right approach. Everyone draw your own conclusions, but don't go all MSM on me and say that just because my conclusion is not the same as yours, that I'm a "shill." It's hardly any smarter to believe in only two possible scenarios than in only one possible scenarios. In my mind, there are 100 possible scenarios.
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Welcome to the world of Psychopaths, Malignants, Sociopaths, and Disinformation.

The lack of documentation regarding Sandy Hook Hoax is the "tell".

The Sandy Hook Fraudster Clowns, bit off more than they could chew on this one.

They wont release any info, or proof, because they don't have any.

[link to connecticut.cbslocal.com]
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IN AN UNORTHODOX MANNER, STAFF MEMBERS FROM THE STATE’S TOP PROSECUTOR AND GOVERNOR DANNEL MALLOY’S OFFICE MET WITH LAWMAKERS TO PUT TOGETHER LEGISLATION THAT WOULD ALLOW RECORDS LINKED TO THE NEWTOWN INVESTIGATION LIKE 9-1-1 CALLS, VICTIM PHOTOS AND POSSIBLY MORE TO BE WITHHELD FROM THE PUBLIC
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Think about it - what's the number one slam you see in the regular media that is used to discredit people asking questions about Sandy Hook?

"Those crazy truthers say it was a hoax."

I don't doubt for one second that real people run the entire spectrum of opinions on Sandy Hook, and that that spectrum includes people who genuinely believe it was a hoax.

But what's the number one reason all other people questioning Sandy Hook are consigned to credibility trash heap? It's being lumped in with people who (allegedly) think the entire incident was a "hoax."

I see a concerted number of people are trying to make it seem as if the prevailing opinion, among people who question Sandy Hook, is that it was a "hoax." That cry of "hoax" is the single most significant reason the 95% of the rest of the theories are discounted.

That's a little too convenient, don't you think?

I notice that when my "I don't really think it was a hoax" tone gets too loud, someone always comes along with a bunch of (feigned?) profanity, screaming "Shut up, it was a hoax and everyone knows it!"

Imagine this: You're a governor, and under your watch, a mass slaughter of children has taken place, some of whose deaths were likely contributed to by the actions/inactions of State employees. Or you know there were about four guys shooting that school up, they all got away, and you barely managed to provide a body as a stand-in for "the lone killer." Or you know State police went in and interfered with local response, so badly in fact, that lives were lost or even friendly fire cost a life here or there, and you have to cover that up.

The last thing you want is people talking about any of the above theories. Wouldn't you go out of your way to generate a more scandalous theory yet, or knowing that people have a tendency to jump on the "hoax" bandwagon rather naturally, wouldn't you heartily encourage that theory? Knowing it would all but obscure the relatively less-interesting theory of a State screw-up?

Listen to any major media source that has taken pot shots at people asking questions--they always, always resort to pointing out how ridiculous it is to believe Sandy Hook was a "hoax." And in that one statement, they write off ALL people with an alternate theory.

As the man said, "Who benefits?"

Again, I don't doubt some actually think it was a hoax, but I firmly believe there are people paid to post pro-hoax rants as a way of sabotaging serious investigation.
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Hoax? Let's just call it an enhanced drill. Nobody died. Too many holes in the "story". And what has been the solution?

Since the shooting created an agenda - now all these laws need to be passed to protect the " Sandy Hook Families"..they all have to do with limiting the FOIA act, not releasing information and restricting guns.

Sure sounds like many liberties to be given up by the country to make those families feel better.
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nobody died? Wouldn't it be far easier to kill actual people than to fake it?
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Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence."
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Zephyr - You must work for Sheila.

You are a noted, obvious shill.

Still peddling the same BS.

Sandy Hook was a hoax.

No one believes it.

Just stop already... You're a joke.

Out of all the people that seriously questioned the grand theatre that was Sandy Hook, its interesting to note that you've been the one remaining constant, bleatng in the background, gently steering fence sitters into entertaining the official story with scripted "plausible" responses.

Also interesting to note you've not been banned, because almost everyone else has been.... Yet curiously, ou're remained.
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This!

Now character is back checking the waters
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nobody died? Wouldn't it be far easier to kill actual people than to fake it?
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Nope. If they actually did get killed it would be harder to control the story. There would be real emotional attachment. Like the teacher that was interviewed and casually proclaimed " there are some that say it did not happen but I can tell you it happened". Really "it" happened? Vance saying that "it" happened and he saw those 20 babies. No emotion. Just statement of facts. Why do they have to keep reminding us that they know it happened?...oh maybe because they just have a story.

Right now it's a story in the background. They keep the players away from any pressing questions and scrutiny while those that question it can be labeled a nut.

Either way we can argue about it until the end of time. Sure I want more info but it's not gonna happen. Basically we are told to believe it.

Do this. Clear your head and imagine you had to tell the story as it unfolded to someone who never heard it before. Imagine they had no video footage or news reports for reference just you telling how it went.

Sure the story is just so awful to contemplate but if you tell the whole story there will be many questions that seem so implausible that the listener will ask..

That is my take. May not be yours but none of us have evidence that we can use to prove our point. But neither do the people of Newtown. Just stories.

yoda
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I don't see the importance of what word (hoax, conspiracy, false flag, etc.) that we attach to it, nor do I see the importance of worrying about the MSM's reaction to those seeking the truth. The MSM, the corrupt governments, and their fellow travelers in the gun-grabber movement are going to say and do what they always say and do...LIE AND COVER UP.

We just need to all keep doing what we've been doing, pointing out the manifest lies and errors in their concoction until we reach a critical mass in the mind of those in the public who still think for themselves. Then we win.
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A lot of people pushing 'hoax' about Sandy Hook, Boston, Moon landings, etc etc etc are a variety of anti-American disinformation agents. Muslims, communists, etc.

Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea all have active government disinformation agencies, and they are active at this forum and others.

Then youve got the naive followers who further puch the disinformation unknowingly. Many are pot smokers and other drug users and general hyper-paranoid types who arent thinking normally.
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Re: Sandy Hook: Are most people crying "hoax" shills?
A lot of people pushing 'hoax' about Sandy Hook, Boston, Moon landings, etc etc etc are a variety of anti-American disinformation agents. Muslims, communists, etc.

Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea all have active government disinformation agencies, and they are active at this forum and others.

Then youve got the naive followers who further puch the disinformation unknowingly. Many are pot smokers and other drug users and general hyper-paranoid types who arent thinking normally.
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You a POS! A goverment stooge. You are the communist punk! or you can just claim to be a idiot! which one are you?
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Pics of meat wagons or it didnt happen.
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Think about it - what's the number one slam you see in the regular media that is used to discredit people asking questions about Sandy Hook?

"Those crazy truthers say it was a hoax."

I don't doubt for one second that real people run the entire spectrum of opinions on Sandy Hook, and that that spectrum includes people who genuinely believe it was a hoax.

But what's the number one reason all other people questioning Sandy Hook are consigned to credibility trash heap? It's being lumped in with people who (allegedly) think the entire incident was a "hoax."

I see a concerted number of people are trying to make it seem as if the prevailing opinion, among people who question Sandy Hook, is that it was a "hoax." That cry of "hoax" is the single most significant reason the 95% of the rest of the theories are discounted.

That's a little too convenient, don't you think?

I notice that when my "I don't really think it was a hoax" tone gets too loud, someone always comes along with a bunch of (feigned?) profanity, screaming "Shut up, it was a hoax and everyone knows it!"

Imagine this: You're a governor, and under your watch, a mass slaughter of children has taken place, some of whose deaths were likely contributed to by the actions/inactions of State employees. Or you know there were about four guys shooting that school up, they all got away, and you barely managed to provide a body as a stand-in for "the lone killer." Or you know State police went in and interfered with local response, so badly in fact, that lives were lost or even friendly fire cost a life here or there, and you have to cover that up.

The last thing you want is people talking about any of the above theories. Wouldn't you go out of your way to generate a more scandalous theory yet, or knowing that people have a tendency to jump on the "hoax" bandwagon rather naturally, wouldn't you heartily encourage that theory? Knowing it would all but obscure the relatively less-interesting theory of a State screw-up?

Listen to any major media source that has taken pot shots at people asking questions--they always, always resort to pointing out how ridiculous it is to believe Sandy Hook was a "hoax." And in that one statement, they write off ALL people with an alternate theory.

As the man said, "Who benefits?"

Again, I don't doubt some actually think it was a hoax, but I firmly believe there are people paid to post pro-hoax rants as a way of sabotaging serious investigation.
 Quoting: Zephyr 40478325


Hoax? Let's just call it an enhanced drill. Nobody died. Too many holes in the "story". And what has been the solution?

Since the shooting created an agenda - now all these laws need to be passed to protect the " Sandy Hook Families"..they all have to do with limiting the FOIA act, not releasing information and restricting guns.

Sure sounds like many liberties to be given up by the country to make those families feel better.
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The role of the disinformation agent is to discredit anyone trying to question this event. The discrepancies, the cover up, the shit that doesn't add up. When given all the facts, a rational investigator (whether it be a common person or a news reporter) can see that things are not what they seem.

So the best way to discredit anyone who were to question the official story is to make their claims so far fetched that anyone who were to question things are lumped into this category.

Disinformation agents are on the internet perpetuating the idea that everyone involved in this were actors, nobody was killed. By placing these theories out in the discourse, it makes others reluctant to question the official story because this hoax theory being pushed by disinformation agents is so irrational that no rational person would buy into it. Thus preventing the mass majority of people from questioning the official story.

Disinformation agents are successfuly grouping everyone who questions what really happened into one category. This category is seen by outsiders who don't follow conspiracy theory as plain crazy and rediculous. Thus alienating and discrediting anyone questioning the official story.
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no. sandy hook is a mirage of missing information, smoke and mirrors.
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no. sandy hook is a mirage of missing information, smoke and mirrors.
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The important thing here to identify shills/disinformation. How you do this is to figure out intent. Intent is to discredit all conspiracy theorists by making them all seem crazy and irrational. There are tons of disinformation on this site, as well as YouTube. Just identify intent and you can identify the shills
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Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence."
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Zephyr - You must work for Sheila.

You are a noted, obvious shill.

Still peddling the same BS.

Sandy Hook was a hoax.

No one believes it.

Just stop already... You're a joke.

Out of all the people that seriously questioned the grand theatre that was Sandy Hook, its interesting to note that you've been the one remaining constant, bleatng in the background, gently steering fence sitters into entertaining the official story with scripted "plausible" responses.

Also interesting to note you've not been banned, because almost everyone else has been.... Yet curiously, ou're remained.
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Now character is back checking the waters
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This!

I know right!

So irritatingly obvious.

Still they persist, every now and again introducing a "character" to create a dialogue qualifying the plausible scripted responses. This is hopefully interpreted by the reader, bolstering belief in the "official" story and generally steering the sheep away from the truth.

The truth being, this was completely staged to push several agendas on a number of levels.
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Zephyr - You must work for Sheila.

You are a noted, obvious shill.

Still peddling the same BS.

Sandy Hook was a hoax.

No one believes it.

Just stop already... You're a joke.

Out of all the people that seriously questioned the grand theatre that was Sandy Hook, its interesting to note that you've been the one remaining constant, bleatng in the background, gently steering fence sitters into entertaining the official story with scripted "plausible" responses.

Also interesting to note you've not been banned, because almost everyone else has been.... Yet curiously, ou're remained.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40364880


Now character is back checking the waters
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40528116



This!

I know right!

So irritatingly obvious.

Still they persist, every now and again introducing a "character" to create a dialogue qualifying the plausible scripted responses. This is hopefully interpreted by the reader, bolstering belief in the "official" story and generally steering the sheep away from the truth.

The truth being, this was completely staged to push several agendas on a number of levels.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40555876


It doesn't matter if it was staged. It doesn't matter if it was a mass kidnapping (which is still high on my list of possibilities). It doesn't matter if a rogue Newtown or area law enforcement officer went crazy and entered the school.

All that matters is turning up evidence of what really happened that day. It's not enough to "conclude" what happened; we have to prove what happened.

I have no problem with someone who feels it was staged; we have the same goal. To expose the people who participated in this hoax and/or coverup, and to expose what exactly they did.

There is obviously at least one ally of the truth in the Connecticut State government: whomever leaked the truth about the Malloy/Kane legislation.





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