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| Children of the Atom Offer Upgrade  User ID: 20257839  United States05/26/2013 03:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Skimming the net I found an article about Neutron Stars, granted they seem to use a lot of artist renditions of neutron stars, showing '?planetoids/solar systems?' and such... colorful, obviously things not seen by the normal spectrum of light, but I digress. original source: [link to www.universetoday.com] archived backup: [link to web.archive.org] image: [link to d1jqu7g1y74ds1.cloudfront.net] Comet ISON has been an interesting one. The initial claims were that ISON would be bright, very bright. But at the time when this claim was made, observers stated that it was still a ways out and would need to move closer into the solar system before brightening. But, near the end of March, NASA began back peddling on how bright it was and began considering that the nucleus may end up being destroyed. "The much hyped Comet ISON is not evolving in the fashion we had earlier anticipated. Rather than slowly but steadily gaining in brightness it has stagnated at basically near 16th magnitude for a couple of months now. After experiencing an interval where the coma's degree of condensation grew quite strong, the object threw out an unexpected strong but short tail that has persists right down to today. However, following this episode the coma subsequently faded, became less condensed and smaller, all bad signs regarding the "health" of the comet's nucleus. Whether ISON becomes a Great Comet next fall, or just another in a long string of Great Flops, is now much more a question than ever before." Quoting: Source: [link to www.examiner.com] Now, oddly enough, this thing came FLYING into our solar system and continues to steadily increase it's speed. ISON’s average speed throughout May will be 48,916mph. It will continue to accelerate steadily until 28th November when it’ll whip around our Sun at an astonishing 425,000mph! Quoting: Source: [link to www.cometison2013.co.uk] Interestingly enough when it was first discovered, scientists claimed... September 28, 2012 Quoting: As of now, Comet ISON, as it’s commonly being called, is roughly 625 million miles away from us and is 100,000 times fainter than the dimmest star that can be seen with the naked eye—it’s only visible using professional-grade telescopes. Source: [link to blogs.smithsonianmag.com] Going into April, NASA put the hubble on it and made a few interesting observations. Hubble photographed ISON on April 10th. At the time, the comet was 386 million miles from the sun (394 million miles from Earth), just inside the orbit of Jupiter. Even at that great distance the comet is already active as sunlight warms the surface and causes frozen gases to vaporize. A detailed analysis of the image reveals a strong jet blasting dust particles off the sunward-facing side of the comet’s nucleus Quoting: So wait, this has a tail facing towards the sun?  But then some REALLY juicy bits were dropped if you were paying close attention to details. In the quote above regarding the Hubble photo, the Hubble noticed something even more interesting outside of it's sun-ward facing tail. Conveniently this information was subtly communicated in an article in May that stated: The team says these observations are in close agreement with features detected by the Hubble Space Telescope in April this year. As the comet comes closer to the Earth the spatial resolution will improve, and the team should get more detailed views on the coma structure. Quoting: Define: Spatial Resolution Angular resolution, or spatial resolution, describes the ability of any image-forming device such as an optical or radio telescope, a microscope, a camera, or an eye, to distinguish small details of an object, thereby making it a major determinant of image resolution. Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] So what did the Hubble see that was so interesting that needed to be 'rechecked' and confirmed? Ongoing observations seem to reveal this comet is ‘shedding’ quite a bit of mass... Quoting: And what else? Nalin’s interpretation is that the curvature of this feature is not due to any rotational effects but is due to radiation pressure pushing dust grains towards the tail. Ultimately, this feature merges in with the tail. Quoting: Source: [link to www.universetoday.com] OK - so that is some pretty neat stuff. Coincidentally, this sun-ward facing tail is called a 'dust feature'. Something concerning about this though is that there is absolutely NO information about this on the net outside of articles linking back to the data recently discovered. Now, let's pick apart the numbers... When observed by Hubble, the comet's nucleus was about 3 miles (5 km) across and a dusty tail that stretches more than 57,000 miles (92,000 km) long. Quoting: Source: [link to www.space.com] Estimates suggest that the nucleus of ISON is no larger than 4-6 km (3-4 miles) across while the comet’s dusty coma 5,000 km (3,100 miles)across. A dust tail extends more than 92,000 km (57,000 miles). Quoting: Source: [link to www.universetoday.com] But, a while back in January, EPOXI NASA stated: Although the comet is 5.1 AU from the Sun and 5.3 AU from the spacecraft, and required a long exposure, it shows a diffuse nucleus and an anti-sunward tail indicating that it is already active. Although the tail appears short and stubby in this image, it is at least 65,000 km long and, due to projection effects, could be significantly longer. Quoting: Yahoo recently ran an article that stated: Thu, Apr 25, 2013 Quoting: By contrast, however, the comet was producing only about 130 pounds (60 kg) of water every minute, or about four times the amount flowing out of a residential sprinkler system. At the time, however, the comet was nearly half a billion miles from the sun. Typically, a comet's water content remains frozen until it comes within about three times Earth's distance to the sun — about 280 million miles (450 million km) away. ISON won't be this close to the sun until early July at which time the water production rate should markedly increase. Further Yahoo states: ...scientist Jian-Yang Li led a team that imaged comet ISON with the Hubble Space Telescope on April 10 using the Wide Field Camera 3. At this point, the comet was slightly closer than Jupiter at 386 million miles (621 million kilometers) from the sun and 394 million miles (634 million kilometers) from Earth. Quoting: The comet's dusty coma, or head of the comet, is currently about 3,100 miles (5,000 kilometers) across, or 1.2 times the width of Australia. A dust tail extends more than 57,000 miles (92,000 kilometers), far beyond Hubble's field of view. Source: [link to news.yahoo.com] The image linked below is the 'textbook-schematic' of a comet. [link to burro.astr.cwru.edu] Here is an image of a relatively common visitor named Encke useing infra-red. [link to upload.wikimedia.org] Next, let's talk about the 'certain' things being hypothesized by NASA and other agencies/institutions. Namely Strange Meteor Shower... Earth will basically be caught in a double-whammy meteor shower with dust coming from two directions. Quoting: The dust will be very fine, with the largest particles expected to be only a few microns across. Noctilucent clouds are clouds that form about 50 miles above the earth's surface, pretty much at the edge of space. Source: [link to www.catholic.org] “As the comet passes Earth’s orbit going into the sun, you’ll have particles trailing behind it. But since it’s passing so close to the sun, you’re also going to have particles pushed away by the pressure of the sunlight. That means we’ll have particles coming outward and also falling inward. We don’t often deal with particles that come both directions,” said Bill Cooke, lead scientist at NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. Quoting: The particles are so small that even though they will hit the atmosphere at about 125,000 mph, instead of burning up, triggering so-called “shooting stars,” they will be stopped entirely, predicts astronomer Paul Wiegert, with the University of Western Ontario in Canada. Source: [link to news.discovery.com] According to Wiegert's computer models, the debris stream is populated with extremely tiny grains of dust, no more than a few microns wide, pushed toward Earth by the gentle radiation pressure of the sun. They will be hitting at a speed of 56 km/s or 125,000 mph. Because the particles are so small, Earth’s upper atmosphere will rapidly slow them to a stop. Quoting: "Instead of burning up in a flash of light, they will drift gently down to the Earth below," he says. Don’t expect to notice. The invisible rain of comet dust, if it occurs, would be very slow. It can take months or even years for fine dust to settle out of the high atmosphere. Neat, so these Noctilucent clouds will be seen for months to years? It is also described as 'electric blue'. Electric blue is define as.. electric blue Quoting: n adj a strong metallic blue colour Source: [link to dictionary.reverso.net] They have been sure to note that: Bill Cooke, lead scientist at NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office, says there's little danger to Earth-orbiting spacecraft. "These particles are just too small to penetrate the walls of our satellites, and they don't stand a chance against the heavy shielding of the ISS." However, he adds, mission operators will be alert around January 12th for possible anomalies. Quoting: ISS heavy shielding? Whatever do they mean by that? Are they implying the particles could possibly be charged?  What is also odd to me is that if the nucleus is shedding all of this dust and water, why has the nucleus not decreased in size? It was already clearly stated from the beginning they discovered it that they believed it to be around 3-5mi wide. Being so 'active' prior to when a normal comet would become 'active' - why hasn't it gotten 'smaller' so to say? And why does it retain such a massive amount of dust and stuff around it? I took the photo from Hubble and ran a few CS3 Adobe filters on it, the results were a bit interesting to say the least. [link to img11.imageshack.us] So the first things that we should ask are, could ISON be something else all together other than a traditional comet? Another odd observation is the light curve is starting to look identical to that of a neutron star. First, let's talk about what a light curve is. The video below can save time/space  Neutron Star light curve / microlensing: [link to abyss.uoregon.edu] ISON light curve / microlensing: [link to www.observadores-cometas.com]  This video below was taken when C2012 S1 was out near/passed/around Jupiter. Harvard has a document up outlining the discovery of ISON, some information to note that was excluded from press releases is in bold. Vitali Nevski (Vitebsk, Belarus) and Artyom Novichonok (Kondopoga, Russia) reported their discovery of a diffuse comet with an 8" coma on four 100-s CCD exposures obtained on Sept. 21.06 UT with a 0.4-m f/3 Santel reflector of the International Scientific Optical Network (ISON) near Kislovodsk, Russia. Nevski and Novichonok first reported the object to the Minor Planet Center (MPC) with no mention of cometary appearance, and it was posted on the MPC's NEOCP webpage as an apparently asteroidal object (their report to the Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams about cometary appearance arrived nearly a day after NEOCP posting); this resulted in the comet being named "ISON" by the Central Bureau, as per the IAU comet-naming guidelines. Quoting: Source: [link to www.csc.eps.harvard.edu] But remember, science currently teaches that comets do not typically begin to 'act' like a comet until they are closer into our inner solar system... Yet here is comet ISON floating around out beyond / near Jupiter but still 'active. So many things are still left unanswered... The sun is flipping out and has been highly active, the chart linked below has remained relatively 'static' although, highly active and has been a 'recent' event ever since 'ISON' began approaching the orbit of Mars. [link to img29.imageshack.us] There is also little information on the mass of ISON, in fact none that I can find. No x-ray images. No nothing. This thing is moving passed Mars. Earthquakes are popping up and the recent 8.3 north of the island of Japan. Insane weather with Tornadoes and the rest... Is ISON REALLY a comet?? If so PUT A MOTION PICTURE CAMERA ON IT. I wan't x-ray, infrared, uv, gamma, beta, delta alpha, whatever give it to us all! Comet of the century? Or Trojan coming from the heavens for the Sun? Why is it that we have ZERO actual footage of a neutron star? EVERYTHING is an artists rendition... Remember at the start? I linked an image photo of the same Hubble photo from NASA of ISON and ran it through some CS3 filters... [link to img11.imageshack.us] Is this thing rotating quickly, or slowly? We don't even really know! We don't 'really' know what its made of or how it will be have... We propose Warm Spitzer photometric imaging DDT observations of Comet ISON, as part of a worldwide observing campaign led by NASA of the comet. Warm Spitzer's 3 and 4 um near-IR passbands will provide unique scattering and emissivity information for the comet's nucleus and dust, and allow us to detect CO_2 gas emission from the comet. Spitzer holds a unique place in the solar system to observe the comet, right before it enters the region of rapid water ice sublimation after spending millions of years in the deep freeze of the Oort Cloud. It is likely the comet will undergo a rapid outburst soon after the time of the proposed observations in the week of June 7 - 14, 2013, and understanding its baseline behavior is critical to understanding the evolution of its activity, as is Spitzer's unique ability to detect CO_2 sublimation and outgassing activity from ISON. As for our previous Spitzer observations of comets Tempel 1 and Hartley 2, we will bootstrap from HST DDT imaging lightcurve and spectroscopic measurements taken over in April - May 2013. The combination of the two datasets will place strong constraints on the comet's coma morphology, and thus its pattern of outgassing jets and the rotation state of the nucleus, and the amount and kind of dust and gas emitted by the comet. Quoting: Source: [link to adsabs.harvard.edu] A photometric monitoring program of sungrazing comet C/2012 S1 ISON is presented. We have detected from photometry the importance of water sublimation at 5.7 AU. Quoting: Source: [link to adsabs.harvard.edu] When do comets normally sublimate again? Sublimation starts when comets are closer than about three astronomical units from the Sun Quoting: Source: [link to www.astronomytoday.com] C'mon ya'll!! Just put a motion camera on it! And ISON will be well within the Roche Limit... The Roche limit sometimes referred to as the Roche radius, is the distance within which a celestial body, held together only by its own gravity, will disintegrate due to a second celestial body's tidal forces exceeding the first body's gravitational self-attraction.[1] Inside the Roche limit, orbiting material will tend to disperse and form rings, while outside the limit, material will tend to coalesce. The term is named after Édouard Roche, the French astronomer who first calculated this theoretical limit in 1848.[2] Quoting: Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] And this is ISON... CS3 Filters: [link to img11.imageshack.us] Regular Hubble: [link to i.space.com] exotic neutron star: [link to www.nasa.gov] PUT A MOTION PICTURE CAMERA ON IT!!! FAWWWK Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 05/27/2013 12:32 AM |
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| Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States05/26/2013 04:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation |  More to come... I spent six hours writing this last night and near 7am I had a funny thought that said save it in MSDOC real fast... Glad I did because no lie the damn power dropped to my street! I spent hours scouring the net for what available data is out there on ISON. Not much cept what the news is feeding us. Data that IS available is only accessible to those given the access rights |
| Comperio User ID: 10381696  Denmark05/26/2013 04:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Amazing work OP - groundbreaking and extremely interesting. Hope to see some follow up on this. "The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. Never lose a holy curiosity. Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." Albert Einstein |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36668391 United States05/26/2013 04:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And then there's this National Geographic show... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10781386 "If a NEUTRON STAR came barrelling toward Earth – threatening the survival of man and the planet itself – what would mankind do? With large scale planet evacuation our only hope, how could we create a massive spaceship – able to sustain a large population for as long as a century – that can travel at least 65 trillion kilometres? Are we capable of developing an engine strong enough to power a spaceship 25 kilometres long to a distance so great? We have no knowledge of any other planets that are supporting life. Placing the ultimate gamble on an educated guess, where in the universe do we send this ship. How do we replicate life on Earth – establishing gravity, give us air to breathe and food to eat on a journey that could last several generations? And, most importantly, who would be selected to keep the human race alive, what will be the fates of those left behind?" [link to www.youtube.com] Stop, drop, and roll, baby! :D |
| Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States05/26/2013 04:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good find! The funny thing about this is that Neutron and Quark stars are typically >15km and they emit light but not a lot... only when they have x-ray blasts. Which they 'believe' is caused from the magnetic poles discharging pent up energy. Funny enough, ISON falls RIGHT into the category of a new and recent discovery called, Quark Stars. It is theorized that when the neutron-degenerate matter which makes up a neutron star is put under sufficient pressure due to the star's gravity, the individual neutrons break down into their constituent quarks – up quarks and down quarks Quoting: Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] And what do quark stars look like? Well, they are 'neutron' stars sort of. They are caused when a star smaller than our own sun, but enough mass to obviously accomplish this, collapses and the quarks are thrust out into outer space... evidently the pressure and their own gravity keep them alive... What do 'artists' renditions of quark stars look like? Like this... [link to static.ddmcdn.com] Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 05/26/2013 04:08 AM |
| . User ID: 22890649  Croatia05/26/2013 04:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More to come... I spent six hours writing this last night and near 7am I had a funny thought that said save it in MSDOC real fast... Glad I did because no lie the damn power dropped to my street! I spent hours scouring the net for what available data is out there on ISON. Not much cept what the news is feeding us. Data that IS available is only accessible to those given the access rights  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 10781386 United States05/26/2013 04:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good find! The funny thing about this is that Neutron and Quark stars are typically >15km and they emit light but not a lot... only when they have x-ray blasts. Which they 'believe' is caused from the magnetic poles discharging pent up energy. Funny enough, ISON falls RIGHT into the category of a new and recent discovery called, Quark Stars. It is theorized that when the neutron-degenerate matter which makes up a neutron star is put under sufficient pressure due to the star's gravity, the individual neutrons break down into their constituent quarks – up quarks and down quarks Quoting: Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] And what do quark stars look like? Well, they are 'neutron' stars sort of. They are caused when a star smaller than our own sun, but enough mass to obviously accomplish this, collapses and the quarks are thrust out into outer space... evidently the pressure and their own gravity keep them alive... What do 'artists' renditions of quark stars look like? Like this... [link to static.ddmcdn.com] You did a good job linking all the information out there on it! You should watch the natgeo show if you haven't seen it. I thought it was pretty creepy and random... |
| Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States05/26/2013 04:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What makes this all the more 'suspicious' is that the people we've paid to give us this information has told us. We'll, we don't know what this thing is really made of, we don't know where it really has came from except from the OORT cloud and that this is probably the first time it has ever come into our solar system. Ya sure, something came from the Oort cloud that reached our Sun in >year. And instead of making this a public moment of amazement and wonderment, the appointed tell us 'Oh no, don't fret it's not going to hit Earth.' Trust me, that is the LAST thing that I think this will do. But what I think it 'could' do, is no less any better in fact, probably far worse, maybe. And since comets supposedly have a highly unpredictable course that continually changes during its orbit... this thing WILL go into the sun. Let's be realistic, it is PUNY and is literally a spec of 'dust' in scope of the suns size. And yet, we know absolutely nothing about it. Instead, NASA educates us on Buzz Aldrin's underwear,  |
| Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States05/26/2013 04:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The comet will continue to accelerate on its way to perihelion (its closest distance from the sun), which occurs on Nov 28, 2013. Right now (January 2013), the comet is traveling at a little more than 11 miles/second and will only increase by small increments each day, but as it gets closer to the sun, watch for the comet velocity numbers to increase more rapidly. The comet will reach a maximum velocity of more than 230 miles/second (370 km/sec) as it goes around the sun in November 2013! Quoting: Source: [link to www.physics.emory.edu] |
| Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States05/26/2013 04:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a frame of reference of how fast this is moving... Let's compare it to a bullet. Which to most, once you've 'heard' it, you've been 'shot'. an average M-16 bullet (3000 fps) travels 30 feet in 1/100th of a second. That's very very fast. About 6336 miles per hour (mph). Quoting: Source: [link to askville.amazon.com] ISON will 'whip' around the sun at over 425,000MPH. |
| Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States05/26/2013 04:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another interesting point is the insane escape velocity of this relatively small and massless? object... Quoting: Children of the Atom The comet will continue to accelerate on its way to perihelion (its closest distance from the sun), which occurs on Nov 28, 2013. Right now (January 2013), the comet is traveling at a little more than 11 miles/second and will only increase by small increments each day, but as it gets closer to the sun, watch for the comet velocity numbers to increase more rapidly. The comet will reach a maximum velocity of more than 230 miles/second (370 km/sec) as it goes around the sun in November 2013! Quoting: Source: [link to www.physics.emory.edu] And even using their own data something seems a bit off... OK watch... 230mi/s = 13,800mi/minute = 828,000mi/hr See...? Somethings not right  Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 05/26/2013 04:39 AM |
| Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States05/26/2013 04:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Most damnable PROOF of this possibility...? Neutron Star With a Tail Like a Comet The pullout, also a composite with a Chandra X-ray close-up, shows a neutron star that is spewing out a comet-like wake of high-energy particles as it races through space. Quoting: image: [link to web.archive.org] article: [link to web.archive.org] Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 05/26/2013 04:45 AM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 39363454 United States05/26/2013 04:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And then there's this National Geographic show... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10781386 "If a NEUTRON STAR came barrelling toward Earth – threatening the survival of man and the planet itself – what would mankind do? With large scale planet evacuation our only hope, how could we create a massive spaceship – able to sustain a large population for as long as a century – that can travel at least 65 trillion kilometres? Are we capable of developing an engine strong enough to power a spaceship 25 kilometres long to a distance so great? We have no knowledge of any other planets that are supporting life. Placing the ultimate gamble on an educated guess, where in the universe do we send this ship. How do we replicate life on Earth – establishing gravity, give us air to breathe and food to eat on a journey that could last several generations? And, most importantly, who would be selected to keep the human race alive, what will be the fates of those left behind?" [link to www.youtube.com] Hats off to OP for assembling the data adeptly and for making a very astute observation. And yes, I watched the Nat Geo special on tv and found it puzzling...they went into great detail about the earth vs neutron star scenario. |
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| mhanth4f User ID: 40522483  Indonesia05/26/2013 05:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if you like it if you want it put a motion camera on it nice thread OP, its really odd though and about buzz aldrin's underwear..  active before reaching inner solar system, something behind it? or its really neutron star or quarky quark Last Edited by mhanth4f on 05/26/2013 05:10 AM No, this is Patrick! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33987631 United States05/26/2013 05:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nassa shot a big copper ball at a comet just to see wtf would happen. A guy named Wal Thornhill who is a scientist who subscribes to the electric universe theory accuratly predicted the results making NASA "scientists" look like the lying buffoons attached to satan's money-tit that they are. Here is an introduction to Wal Thornhill and his honest attempt to unwrap the universe. [link to www.holoscience.com] |
| Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States05/26/2013 05:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nassa shot a big copper ball at a comet just to see wtf would happen. A guy named Wal Thornhill who is a scientist who subscribes to the electric universe theory accuratly predicted the results making NASA "scientists" look like the lying buffoons attached to satan's money-tit that they are. Here is an introduction to Wal Thornhill and his honest attempt to unwrap the universe. [link to www.holoscience.com] TYVM for sharing! This is the GOOD fight people, this is WHAT matters... hope we all are watching and learning because something 'ain't' right! |
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| mhanth4f User ID: 40522483 Indonesia05/26/2013 05:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Skimming the net I found an article about Neutron Stars, granted they seem to use a lot of artist renditions of neutron stars, showing '?planetoids/solar systems?' and such... colorful, obviously things not seen by the normal spectrum of light, but I digress. Quoting: Children of the Atom original source: [link to www.universetoday.com] archived backup: [link to web.archive.org] image: [link to d1jqu7g1y74ds1.cloudfront.net] Comet ISON has been an interesting one. The initial claims were that ISON would be bright, very bright. But at the time when this claim was made, observers stated that it was still a ways out and would need to move closer into the solar system before brightening. But, near the end of March, NASA began back peddling on how bright it was and began considering that the nucleus may end up being destroyed. "The much hyped Comet ISON is not evolving in the fashion we had earlier anticipated. Rather than slowly but steadily gaining in brightness it has stagnated at basically near 16th magnitude for a couple of months now. After experiencing an interval where the coma's degree of condensation grew quite strong, the object threw out an unexpected strong but short tail that has persists right down to today. However, following this episode the coma subsequently faded, became less condensed and smaller, all bad signs regarding the "health" of the comet's nucleus. Whether ISON becomes a Great Comet next fall, or just another in a long string of Great Flops, is now much more a question than ever before." Quoting: Source: [link to www.examiner.com] Now, oddly enough, this thing came FLYING into our solar system and continues to steadily increase it's speed. ISON’s average speed throughout May will be 48,916mph. It will continue to accelerate steadily until 28th November when it’ll whip around our Sun at an astonishing 425,000mph! Quoting: Source: [link to www.cometison2013.co.uk] Interestingly enough when it was first discovered, scientists claimed... September 28, 2012 Quoting: As of now, Comet ISON, as it’s commonly being called, is roughly 625 million miles away from us and is 100,000 times fainter than the dimmest star that can be seen with the naked eye—it’s only visible using professional-grade telescopes. Source: [link to blogs.smithsonianmag.com] Going into April, NASA put the hubble on it and made a few interesting observations. Hubble photographed ISON on April 10th. At the time, the comet was 386 million miles from the sun (394 million miles from Earth), just inside the orbit of Jupiter. Even at that great distance the comet is already active as sunlight warms the surface and causes frozen gases to vaporize. A detailed analysis of the image reveals a strong jet blasting dust particles off the sunward-facing side of the comet’s nucleus Quoting: So wait, this has a tail facing towards the sun? But then some REALLY juicy bits were dropped if you were paying close attention to details. In the quote above regarding the Hubble photo, the Hubble noticed something even more interesting outside of it's sun-ward facing tail. Conveniently this information was subtly communicated in an article in May that stated: The team says these observations are in close agreement with features detected by the Hubble Space Telescope in April this year. As the comet comes closer to the Earth the spatial resolution will improve, and the team should get more detailed views on the coma structure. Quoting: Define: Spatial Resolution Angular resolution, or spatial resolution, describes the ability of any image-forming device such as an optical or radio telescope, a microscope, a camera, or an eye, to distinguish small details of an object, thereby making it a major determinant of image resolution. Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] So what did the Hubble see that was so interesting that needed to be 'rechecked' and confirmed? Ongoing observations seem to reveal this comet is ‘shedding’ quite a bit of mass... Quoting: And what else? Nalin’s interpretation is that the curvature of this feature is not due to any rotational effects but is due to radiation pressure pushing dust grains towards the tail. Ultimately, this feature merges in with the tail. Quoting: Source: [link to www.universetoday.com] OK - so that is some pretty neat stuff. Coincidentally, this sun-ward facing tail is called a 'dust feature'. Something concerning about this though is that there is absolutely NO information about this on the net outside of articles linking back to the data recently discovered. Now, let's pick apart the numbers... When observed by Hubble, the comet's nucleus was about 3 miles (5 km) across and a dusty tail that stretches more than 57,000 miles (92,000 km) long. Quoting: Source: [link to www.space.com] Estimates suggest that the nucleus of ISON is no larger than 4-6 km (3-4 miles) across while the comet’s dusty coma 5,000 km (3,100 miles)across. A dust tail extends more than 92,000 km (57,000 miles). Quoting: Source: [link to www.universetoday.com] But, a while back in January, EPOXI NASA stated: Although the comet is 5.1 AU from the Sun and 5.3 AU from the spacecraft, and required a long exposure, it shows a diffuse nucleus and an anti-sunward tail indicating that it is already active. Although the tail appears short and stubby in this image, it is at least 65,000 km long and, due to projection effects, could be significantly longer. Quoting: Yahoo recently ran an article that stated: Thu, Apr 25, 2013 Quoting: By contrast, however, the comet was producing only about 130 pounds (60 kg) of water every minute, or about four times the amount flowing out of a residential sprinkler system. At the time, however, the comet was nearly half a billion miles from the sun. Typically, a comet's water content remains frozen until it comes within about three times Earth's distance to the sun — about 280 million miles (450 million km) away. ISON won't be this close to the sun until early July at which time the water production rate should markedly increase. Further Yahoo states: ...scientist Jian-Yang Li led a team that imaged comet ISON with the Hubble Space Telescope on April 10 using the Wide Field Camera 3. At this point, the comet was slightly closer than Jupiter at 386 million miles (621 million kilometers) from the sun and 394 million miles (634 million kilometers) from Earth. Quoting: The comet's dusty coma, or head of the comet, is currently about 3,100 miles (5,000 kilometers) across, or 1.2 times the width of Australia. A dust tail extends more than 57,000 miles (92,000 kilometers), far beyond Hubble's field of view. Source: [link to news.yahoo.com] The image linked below is the 'textbook-schematic' of a comet. [link to burro.astr.cwru.edu] Here is an image of a relatively common visitor named Encke useing infra-red. [link to upload.wikimedia.org] Next, let's talk about the 'certain' things being hypothesized by NASA and other agencies/institutions. Namely Strange Meteor Shower... Earth will basically be caught in a double-whammy meteor shower with dust coming from two directions. Quoting: The dust will be very fine, with the largest particles expected to be only a few microns across. Noctilucent clouds are clouds that form about 50 miles above the earth's surface, pretty much at the edge of space. Source: [link to www.catholic.org] “As the comet passes Earth’s orbit going into the sun, you’ll have particles trailing behind it. But since it’s passing so close to the sun, you’re also going to have particles pushed away by the pressure of the sunlight. That means we’ll have particles coming outward and also falling inward. We don’t often deal with particles that come both directions,” said Bill Cooke, lead scientist at NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office at the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. Quoting: The particles are so small that even though they will hit the atmosphere at about 125,000 mph, instead of burning up, triggering so-called “shooting stars,” they will be stopped entirely, predicts astronomer Paul Wiegert, with the University of Western Ontario in Canada. Source: [link to news.discovery.com] According to Wiegert's computer models, the debris stream is populated with extremely tiny grains of dust, no more than a few microns wide, pushed toward Earth by the gentle radiation pressure of the sun. They will be hitting at a speed of 56 km/s or 125,000 mph. Because the particles are so small, Earth’s upper atmosphere will rapidly slow them to a stop. Quoting: "Instead of burning up in a flash of light, they will drift gently down to the Earth below," he says. Don’t expect to notice. The invisible rain of comet dust, if it occurs, would be very slow. It can take months or even years for fine dust to settle out of the high atmosphere. Neat, so these Noctilucent clouds will be seen for months to years? It is also described as 'electric blue'. Electric blue is define as.. electric blue Quoting: n adj a strong metallic blue colour Source: [link to dictionary.reverso.net] They have been sure to note that: Bill Cooke, lead scientist at NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office, says there's little danger to Earth-orbiting spacecraft. "These particles are just too small to penetrate the walls of our satellites, and they don't stand a chance against the heavy shielding of the ISS." However, he adds, mission operators will be alert around January 12th for possible anomalies. Quoting: ISS heavy shielding? Whatever do they mean by that? Are they implying the particles could possibly be charged? What is also odd to me is that if the nucleus is shedding all of this dust and water, why has the nucleus not decreased in size? It was already clearly stated from the beginning they discovered it that they believed it to be around 3-5mi wide. Being so 'active' prior to when a normal comet would become 'active' - why hasn't it gotten 'smaller' so to say? And why does it retain such a massive amount of dust and stuff around it? I took the photo from Hubble and ran a few CS3 Adobe filters on it, the results were a bit interesting to say the least. [link to img11.imageshack.us] So the first things that we should ask are, could ISON be something else all together other than a traditional comet? Another odd observation is the light curve is starting to look identical to that of a neutron star. First, let's talk about what a light curve is. The video below can save time/space Neutron Star light curve / microlensing: [link to abyss.uoregon.edu] ISON light curve / microlensing: [link to www.observadores-cometas.com] This video below was taken when C2012 S1 was out near/passed/around Jupiter. Harvard has a document up outlining the discovery of ISON, some information to note that was excluded from press releases is in bold. Vitali Nevski (Vitebsk, Belarus) and Artyom Novichonok (Kondopoga, Russia) reported their discovery of a diffuse comet with an 8" coma on four 100-s CCD exposures obtained on Sept. 21.06 UT with a 0.4-m f/3 Santel reflector of the International Scientific Optical Network (ISON) near Kislovodsk, Russia. Nevski and Novichonok first reported the object to the Minor Planet Center (MPC) with no mention of cometary appearance, and it was posted on the MPC's NEOCP webpage as an apparently asteroidal object (their report to the Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams about cometary appearance arrived nearly a day after NEOCP posting); this resulted in the comet being named "ISON" by the Central Bureau, as per the IAU comet-naming guidelines. Quoting: Source: [link to www.csc.eps.harvard.edu] But remember, science currently teaches that comets do not typically begin to 'act' like a comet until they are closer into our inner solar system... Yet here is comet ISON floating around out beyond / near Jupiter but still 'active. So many things are still left unanswered... The sun is flipping out and has been highly active, the chart linked below has remained relatively 'static' although, highly active and has been a 'recent' event ever since 'ISON' began approaching the orbit of Mars. [link to img29.imageshack.us] There is also little information on the mass of ISON, in fact none that I can find. No x-ray images. No nothing. This thing is moving passed Mars. Earthquakes are popping up and the recent 8.3 north of the island of Japan. Insane weather with Tornadoes and the rest... Is ISON REALLY a comet?? If so PUT A MOTION PICTURE CAMERA ON IT. I wan't x-ray, infrared, uv, gamma, beta, delta alpha, whatever give it to us all! Comet of the century? Or Trojan coming from the heavens for the Sun? Why is it that we have ZERO actual footage of a neutron star? EVERYTHING is an artists rendition... Remember at the start? I linked an image photo of the same Hubble photo from NASA of ISON and ran it through some CS3 filters... [link to img11.imageshack.us] Is this thing rotating quickly, or slowly? We don't even really know! We don't 'really' know what its made of or how it will be have... We propose Warm Spitzer photometric imaging DDT observations of Comet ISON, as part of a worldwide observing campaign led by NASA of the comet. Warm Spitzer's 3 and 4 um near-IR passbands will provide unique scattering and emissivity information for the comet's nucleus and dust, and allow us to detect CO_2 gas emission from the comet. Spitzer holds a unique place in the solar system to observe the comet, right before it enters the region of rapid water ice sublimation after spending millions of years in the deep freeze of the Oort Cloud. It is likely the comet will undergo a rapid outburst soon after the time of the proposed observations in the week of June 7 - 14, 2013, and understanding its baseline behavior is critical to understanding the evolution of its activity, as is Spitzer's unique ability to detect CO_2 sublimation and outgassing activity from ISON. As for our previous Spitzer observations of comets Tempel 1 and Hartley 2, we will bootstrap from HST DDT imaging lightcurve and spectroscopic measurements taken over in April - May 2013. The combination of the two datasets will place strong constraints on the comet's coma morphology, and thus its pattern of outgassing jets and the rotation state of the nucleus, and the amount and kind of dust and gas emitted by the comet. Quoting: Source: [link to adsabs.harvard.edu] A photometric monitoring program of sungrazing comet C/2012 S1 ISON is presented. We have detected from photometry the importance of water sublimation at 5.7 AU. Quoting: Source: [link to adsabs.harvard.edu] When do comets normally sublimate again? Sublimation starts when comets are closer than about three astronomical units from the Sun Quoting: Source: [link to www.astronomytoday.com] C'mon ya'll!! Just put a motion camera on it! And ISON will be well within the Roche Limit... The Roche limit sometimes referred to as the Roche radius, is the distance within which a celestial body, held together only by its own gravity, will disintegrate due to a second celestial body's tidal forces exceeding the first body's gravitational self-attraction.[1] Inside the Roche limit, orbiting material will tend to disperse and form rings, while outside the limit, material will tend to coalesce. The term is named after Édouard Roche, the French astronomer who first calculated this theoretical limit in 1848.[2] Quoting: Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] And this is ISON... CS3 Filters: [link to img11.imageshack.us] Regular Hubble: [link to i.space.com] exotic neutron star: [link to www.nasa.gov] PUT A MOTION PICTURE CAMERA ON IT!!! FAWWWK I love you, man. if you like it if you want it put a motion picture camera on it,, yeeeehhaaaaaaa! make a video about this thor  No, this is Patrick! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33987631 United States05/26/2013 05:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well here we go. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40379261 Pretty sure that dust is going to reveal the man of sin. (It's chemical) People will be offended. Ya could be something oober inportant AC! The ancients watched comets with a horrified fasination. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Listen to this while you cruise GLP, make your breakfast, whatever. |
| Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States05/26/2013 05:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For the sake of simplicity... This is what a comet looks like: Hale Bopp: [link to www.exploratorium.edu] Comet schematics: [link to burro.astr.cwru.edu] Comet C2012 S1 ISON: [link to i.space.com] CS3 Filtered ISON: [link to img11.imageshack.us] Chandra X-ray Neutron Star w/comet tail: [link to web.archive.org] Original Source of Image: [link to web.archive.org] Also, all of this shit is scrubbed off of the net, well most. The stuff using webarchive has been removed. Last Edited by Children of the Atom on 05/26/2013 05:37 AM |
| Children of the Atom (OP) User ID: 20257839 United States05/26/2013 05:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | J0617 in IC 443: The Case of the Neutron Star With a Wayward Wake [link to web.archive.org] |
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| mhanth4f User ID: 40522483 Indonesia05/26/2013 05:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For the sake of simplicity... Quoting: Children of the Atom This is what a comet looks like: Hale Bopp: [link to www.exploratorium.edu] Comet schematics: [link to burro.astr.cwru.edu] Comet C2012 S1 ISON: [link to i.space.com] CS3 Filtered ISON: [link to img11.imageshack.us] Chandra X-ray Neutron Star w/comet tail: [link to web.archive.org] Original Source of Image: [link to web.archive.org] Also, all of this shit is scrubbed off of the net, well most. The stuff using webarchive has been removed. now ISON doesnt really look like a comet at all No, this is Patrick! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 40379261 United States05/26/2013 05:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well here we go. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40379261 Pretty sure that dust is going to reveal the man of sin. (It's chemical) People will be offended. Ya could be something oober inportant AC! The ancients watched comets with a horrified fasination. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Listen to this while you cruise GLP, make your breakfast, whatever. Thanks I listened to a few minutes and will be going to bed soon, but will definitely finish it tomorrow. Plasma and electric universe are great reads/listens for me. I'm pretty sure our galaxy is actually a plasma cell. Take a look at my thread if you're bored and looking for a long read one day: Thread: We are in a cell of God, and some will inherit a Galaxy It's based off observation and personal experience after opening the third eye and also dozens of OBEs. |
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