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Armed march by Adam Kokesh from the Oathkeepers board of directors ~

James Hanna ~ Oath Keepers does NOT endorse Adam's march. The leadership at Oath Keepers has a wealth of tactical experience, and marching into the enemy's camp, to be captured makes no sense. What is to be accomplished by this action? What could possibly go wrong? These are the questions a responsible leader asks before sending his troops into harm's way. This is either tactical ignorance, or willful endangerment; the latter being the worst of the two choices.

I would say that Adam's choice of the words "Oath Keepers" is no accident. He is VERY familiar with Oath Keepers and our mission. Not only are his tactics questionable, so are his ethics. Not only has he embarrassed himself by announcing a pointless and irresponsible armed march, he has damaged his integrity by using the good name of Oath Keepers to bolster his own agenda.

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Joel Skousen's analysis of the upcoming armed march in his World Affairs Brief (www.worldaffairsbrief.com, May 10, 2013):

ARMED MARCH ON DC AN UNWISE PROVOCATION

There are smart ways to organize a demonstration at the nation’s capitol to gain public support against government tyranny and then there are moves that are really unwise. In my personal opinion, Adam Kokesh’s proposed armed march of several thousand volunteer protestors into Washington DC is not smart and potentially will get all future right wing demonstrations in favor of the Second Amendment banned as “prone to violence.” Over 3,000 have so far pledged on Kokesh’s Facebook page to attend the July 4th event.

I’ve never liked Adam Kokesh’s style—sitting before the mike in black tank top, shaved but bearded head, and always talking tough. It’s a militaristic style that attracts ex-military hot heads to the movement, and this latest gambit has that same uncareful style.

Kokesh is claiming to be taking several precautions to ensure safety and appear non-confrontational:

1. Only long guns and shotguns are going to be permitted in the march and demonstration.

2. They will be loaded weapons with safety settings “on.”

3. They will be slung across the back—no one will be holding a weapon.

On the other hand, there is much that is openly confrontational and militaristic in style:

1. They are going to “muster” in formation and march in formation to give it a quasi military appearance.

2. Kokesh says he will coordinate with DC police, and request an escort in order to ensure everyone’s safety. But, but if they refuse (guaranteed), he will do it anyway as “civil disobedience.”

3. It’s an open invitation to have government insert a provocateur among them who may fire a weapon and bring the demonstration under police fire.

Kokesh, a Marine veteran, says his purpose is to “To put government on notice that we won’t be intimidated.” He openly states on his Facebook event post that “this is an act of civil disobedience,” but stresses, “This will be a non-violent event, unless the government chooses to make it violent.”

It’s not that simple. When you openly violate a law about weapons, the police have little choice but to intervene—and they will. To make it worse, in his interview with fat boy, Kokesh spoke dangerous language when he said, “This is an armed revolt against the American government.”

You just can’t go around saying things like that even if the right to revolution is guaranteed by the Declaration of Independence. It is a serious step not to be taken for “light or transient” reasons and must have wide public support backed by a long list of grievances. It’s easy enough for constitutional conservatives and libertarians to produce such a list of technical violations, but they are not easily visible or provable to the common person.

The government’s current and future plans for taking away liberty are carefully masked by a myriad of executive orders, and hidden memos—sealed under the cover of National Security—hardly the stuff needed to rally the world around us. Kokesh and his brash statements show he hasn’t thought this out very well and appears to be heading for trouble.

His brash approach will guarantee that no police in Washington DC are going to cooperate with his demonstration. In fact, Metropolitan Police Chief Cathy Lanier said she will arrest Adam Kokesh and any other protesters who violate the district’s gun laws.

“Passing into the District of Columbia with loaded firearms is a violation of the law and we’ll have to treat it as such.”

I have no doubt he intends this to be a non-violent event, but the presence of loaded weapons, marching down the street where “open carry” is currently illegal is inviting a police confrontation. It appears to be Adam’s intent to merely get arrested, to make a statement, but it could turn violent if some agent provocateur decides to fire any kind of shot at all.

I too am an advocate of “open carry,” which refers to the public’s right to carry a loaded weapon openly in public as long as there is no intent to engage in a criminal act. It has always been viewed a less onerous than carrying a concealed weapon, though I’m not sure that’s really true. What is true is that when people can see a weapon openly, they have some opportunity to judge the holder and react.

Open carry is also an essential part of the Second Amendment because you can’t bear arms if you can never be seen in public with one. If every person has to have a permit to show up in public with a weapon, then a revolution against government tyranny could never get off the ground.

To ordinary people, open carry restrictions by cities or states are not viewed as a violation of the Second Amendment to “keep and bear arms” either for self-defense (which they think only takes place in the home) or for hunting (which doesn’t normally take place in cities).

Of course, more technical regulations like the registration of all weapons is not a technical violation of the right to keep and bear arms, but it violates the spirit of it. Historically, registration has always been a precursor to confiscation, and should be resisted strongly.

While I would agree that no jurisdiction should be able to ban open carry under the Second Amendment, hinting at an armed confrontation is not the way to go about getting those laws changed. My objection to this act of “civil disobedience” proposed by Kokesh is that it’s not going to help gain support for second amendment rights or motivate any official in DC to feel more comfortable about changing the law.

It may be empowering to the macho types who want to make a dramatic public statement, but most people will merely see it as a stupid violation of DC law and approve of police action to arrest them. Few will see this as standing up against something unjust, and it may assist government in further demonizing pro-gun people as extremists. It may even prompt more states to ban open carry.

We just had a great victory in stopping the latest assault rifle ban, but it’s only a first step. They’ll be back for more gun control and every misstep the movement makes which makes us look even more radical will only help the gun grabbers, so let’s be wise about carrying weapons in public. ...

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As a member of oathkeepers - I add:

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Is there any proof he is a Marine veteran?
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Is there any proof he is a Marine veteran?
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According to wiki he was - I know, the source is not the best - but a reading of it says he was - and has been in trouble since.


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Is there any proof he is a Marine veteran?
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According to wiki he was - I know, the source is not the best - but a reading of it says he was - and has been in trouble since.


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I just don't believe it. No true Veteran is going to be led into a TRAP!! I am a veteran and we know traps when we see one.


Geez, I guess his followers are military wannabe's who couldn't enlist because of their mental issues..
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US government has a poor history of response to it's veterans marching in D.C.

Bonus Army marches on Washington, DC 1932




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People please fear the government. They own you!
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Is there any proof he is a Marine veteran?
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According to wiki he was - I know, the source is not the best - but a reading of it says he was - and has been in trouble since.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: No Dhimmi



I just don't believe it. No true Veteran is going to be led into a TRAP!! I am a veteran and we know traps when we see one.


Geez, I guess his followers are military wannabe's who couldn't enlist because of their mental issues..
 Quoting: Mia41


Yes, scuttlebutt says he is a Marine. He is also a known troublemaker. This "civil disobedience" is staged IMO. He is in league with code pink for one. Only an idiot would stage something like this for two.

There is something about Adam that does not seem right. His ties to Code Pink are only one of many warning signs he is working on an alternate agenda IMO.

Be smart and do not support him. Marine or not, he does not have my support for this. It is the dumbest idea I have heard of in a very long time.
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Yes, the Code Pink tie raises the alarms
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'fearing the government' and 'not doing stupid, irrational things that will have harmful effects for the rights of the people' are two totally different things.
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what the hell are you thinking adam ?? good god man , are you mad?? go smoke a bowl and chill out!!!!
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You want to march on washington... By all means. wear a red white and blue t-shirt that says I support the Second Amendment.

A million people like that would make a point for the right side.

Kokesh is doing everything he can to make not just a point, but a game ending three pointer for the wrong side.
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5* I tried to warn everyone like a month ago, this march is a horrible idea.
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I'm with the real vets and the Oath Keepers on this. This is folly that will lead to nothng but trouble.

I would gladly support and attend an UNarmed protest on July 4th in support of the entire Constitution. While the 1st and 2nd are probably the most important to holding on to the rest, its a package deal.
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Kokesh is a controlled opposition, he will lead the sheep to the slaugher house. Armed march? really? What a stupid idea. No thanks Mr. Kokesh.

He has appeared many times on the corporate mainstream media. If the corporate owned MSM allow you on their TV that many times, then that means they want you there for a reason, therefore Kokesh should be considered a controlled opposition and can not be trusted.
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The whole purpose of the "march" was to generate publicity. Even if they go there with toy guns, their goals will be met. The whole world will be watching.

That would be a great time to light a string of firecrakers...hehehe. Maybe I will go afterall...HA!
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I thought they had gone insane when that Kokesh said they would be part of the Kokesh trap.

So they turned out to the liberatarian and not liberTARDian like Kokesh :D
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Great thread, OP. Thank you for posting this. I have been suspicious of this march from the get-go and feel that it's nothing more than a trap, a way to accelerate and further tyranny and possibly enact martial law. I have been hoping that most vets, "oath keepers" and gun owners would not participate. I think Kokesh is a provocateur and his only goal is to further eliminate 2A rights and cause trouble.

Hold fast, folks. Times are just getting crazier. Be calm and responsible.
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Is there any proof he is a Marine veteran?
 Quoting: Mia41


According to wiki he was - I know, the source is not the best - but a reading of it says he was - and has been in trouble since.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: No Dhimmi



I just don't believe it. No true Veteran is going to be led into a TRAP!! I am a veteran and we know traps when we see one.


Geez, I guess his followers are military wannabe's who couldn't enlist because of their mental issues..
 Quoting: Mia41


Yes, scuttlebutt says he is a Marine. He is also a known troublemaker. This "civil disobedience" is staged IMO. He is in league with code pink for one. Only an idiot would stage something like this for two.

There is something about Adam that does not seem right. His ties to Code Pink are only one of many warning signs he is working on an alternate agenda IMO.

Be smart and do not support him. Marine or not, he does not have my support for this. It is the dumbest idea I have heard of in a very long time.
 Quoting: Lazy_Dog


What frightens me is how many people there are, including actual veterans that dont see right through him. His followers are worse than RP fans. Regardless if he is an actual veteran, the ones that are and are following him have been brainwashed. I am not that smart, and I could see this was a trap from the first Kokesh video I ever watched.
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According to wiki he was - I know, the source is not the best - but a reading of it says he was - and has been in trouble since.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: No Dhimmi



I just don't believe it. No true Veteran is going to be led into a TRAP!! I am a veteran and we know traps when we see one.


Geez, I guess his followers are military wannabe's who couldn't enlist because of their mental issues..
 Quoting: Mia41


Yes, scuttlebutt says he is a Marine. He is also a known troublemaker. This "civil disobedience" is staged IMO. He is in league with code pink for one. Only an idiot would stage something like this for two.

There is something about Adam that does not seem right. His ties to Code Pink are only one of many warning signs he is working on an alternate agenda IMO.

Be smart and do not support him. Marine or not, he does not have my support for this. It is the dumbest idea I have heard of in a very long time.
 Quoting: Lazy_Dog


What frightens me is how many people there are, including actual veterans that dont see right through him. His followers are worse than RP fans. Regardless if he is an actual veteran, the ones that are and are following him have been brainwashed. I am not that smart, and I could see this was a trap from the first Kokesh video I ever watched.
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BINGO, he's an agent provocateur. He's all over certain "patriot" radio stations promoting the march also. Patriot radio is a big fat sham. TPTB are trying to incite a new civil war so they can have an excuse to lock us down even further.
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Is there any proof he is a Marine veteran?
 Quoting: Mia41


According to wiki he was - I know, the source is not the best - but a reading of it says he was - and has been in trouble since.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: No Dhimmi



I just don't believe it. No true Veteran is going to be led into a TRAP!! I am a veteran and we know traps when we see one.


Geez, I guess his followers are military wannabe's who couldn't enlist because of their mental issues..
 Quoting: Mia41


Yes, scuttlebutt says he is a Marine. He is also a known troublemaker. This "civil disobedience" is staged IMO. He is in league with code pink for one. Only an idiot would stage something like this for two.

There is something about Adam that does not seem right. His ties to Code Pink are only one of many warning signs he is working on an alternate agenda IMO.

Be smart and do not support him. Marine or not, he does not have my support for this. It is the dumbest idea I have heard of in a very long time.
 Quoting: Lazy_Dog


I would agree - there's something rotten with this guy. Who gets nabbed by the Federales and then gets set free a few days later?

If the feds want to keep you they can do do with a raft of unconstitutional laws. Ergo, they wanted Kokesh free.

I believe he is working for them. Controlled opposition or worse. Consider his taking on the support of the Oath Keepers - trying to smear them with this demonstration. That's what our enemies do, not our friends.





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