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Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

Human parents have a moral responsibility to protect and try to raise their children to be what we think of as good citizens. Our laws, to some extent, make parents morally and legally responsible for the actions of their children.

God, our heavenly parent, is said to create our natures. Natures can only be followed. They cannot be changed, which I think is why God is said to hate some of us even in the womb; even before we can either do good or evil. IOW, he intentionally creates those he knows will be evil. I know some will blame manís sins on his free will and thus shift the burden of responsibility for our sins away from God but that urge to sin is controlled by the nature and inclinations that God himself puts in us. We do have free will but that does not explain why our will, will go to evil instead of good. That desire is part of the nature that God puts in us as the story of Esau shows. In a way, Esau had no choice.

If God were just one of many Gods in a God society, would that society demand that he take responsibility in the same way human society has decided that a human childís parent must take responsibilities?

Yes we would.

The fact that God punishes or rewards us seems to indicate that he at least thinks that he has some moral responsibility; otherwise he could not morally retain the right to punish or reward. At present we have no clear picture of what heaven and hell are like. God does not provide full disclosure even though our soul is at stake. That is not justice.

Should Godís responsibility include full disclose of what our true reward and punishment is?

God did not seem to think so in Eden, where Adam and Eve knew of only the one punishment before the act of disobedience. They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them. To me, that was completely immoral of God. That is like God lying to Adam and Eve by omission.

Does God have a responsibility for the souls he creates?

And since he could insure that all come to a good end in heaven, is making sure we get there also part of his responsibility since he creates the natures we cannot help but follow?

Any good human parent with God-like powers would insure the best end for his child if he had the power of a God. I know you and I would as part of our inclination to love and protect our children.

If God does not, does that make man more responsible than God in terms of accepting responsibility for our children?

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I myself said, How gladly would I treat you like sons and give you a desirable land, the most beautiful inheritance of any nation.' I thought you would call me 'Father' and not turn away from following me. Jeremiah 3:19
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I myself said, How gladly would I treat you like sons and give you a desirable land, the most beautiful inheritance of any nation.' I thought you would call me 'Father' and not turn away from following me. Jeremiah 3:19
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Thanks for this.

Are you planning on giving an answer to the question or is an old quote your non-answer?

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of course he does and thats why jesus and herucles were strong

they were like super heros with powers and crap

you muyst not know history or somethng
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I myself said, How gladly would I treat you like sons and give you a desirable land, the most beautiful inheritance of any nation.' I thought you would call me 'Father' and not turn away from following me. Jeremiah 3:19
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Thanks for this.

Are you planning on giving an answer to the question or is an old quote your non-answer?

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DL
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My point is if you do the Will of God then only you can call you a child of Him. Until then you are just a child of your earthly parents.
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you're on a need-to-know basis son, and you don't need to know

tough luck, but don't worry it's all part of the plan
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thats what i'm talk'n

its like we are like "i am a child of god"

but if your not, then a real child of god like jesus comes along and beats the crap out of you
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everyone needs to know

i mean unless you want to raise your brat to like go against hercules and get creamed or somethng
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maybe God wants you to suffer and you're in hell right now

it's a possibility worth consideration
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of course he does and thats why jesus and herucles were strong

they were like super heros with powers and crap

you muyst not know history or somethng
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Heros who send most to hell.

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I myself said, How gladly would I treat you like sons and give you a desirable land, the most beautiful inheritance of any nation.' I thought you would call me 'Father' and not turn away from following me. Jeremiah 3:19
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Thanks for this.

Are you planning on giving an answer to the question or is an old quote your non-answer?

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My point is if you do the Will of God then only you can call you a child of Him. Until then you are just a child of your earthly parents.
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So does he have any responsibility to his children?
Give a straight answer or be gone.

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The answer to your question is:

NO

First, there would have to be a god who actually cared.
Second, this god could not be a respector of persons.
Third, this god would have to love the children unconditionally.

I've yet to see it in my lifetime.


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Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

Human parents have a moral responsibility to protect and try to raise their children to be what we think of as good citizens. Our laws, to some extent, make parents morally and legally responsible for the actions of their children.

God, our heavenly parent, is said to create our natures. Natures can only be followed. They cannot be changed, which I think is why God is said to hate some of us even in the womb; even before we can either do good or evil. IOW, he intentionally creates those he knows will be evil. I know some will blame manís sins on his free will and thus shift the burden of responsibility for our sins away from God but that urge to sin is controlled by the nature and inclinations that God himself puts in us. We do have free will but that does not explain why our will, will go to evil instead of good. That desire is part of the nature that God puts in us as the story of Esau shows. In a way, Esau had no choice.

If God were just one of many Gods in a God society, would that society demand that he take responsibility in the same way human society has decided that a human childís parent must take responsibilities?

Yes we would.

The fact that God punishes or rewards us seems to indicate that he at least thinks that he has some moral responsibility; otherwise he could not morally retain the right to punish or reward. At present we have no clear picture of what heaven and hell are like. God does not provide full disclosure even though our soul is at stake. That is not justice.

Should Godís responsibility include full disclose of what our true reward and punishment is?

God did not seem to think so in Eden, where Adam and Eve knew of only the one punishment before the act of disobedience. They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them. To me, that was completely immoral of God. That is like God lying to Adam and Eve by omission.

Does God have a responsibility for the souls he creates?

And since he could insure that all come to a good end in heaven, is making sure we get there also part of his responsibility since he creates the natures we cannot help but follow?

Any good human parent with God-like powers would insure the best end for his child if he had the power of a God. I know you and I would as part of our inclination to love and protect our children.

If God does not, does that make man more responsible than God in terms of accepting responsibility for our children?

Regards
DL
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I don't see in scripture where he "creates our natures".

"They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them."-

1 Tim. 2:14 " Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and came to be in transgression."
So it doesn't sound like a "complete surprise" for Adam, does it?
Besides all the consequences they paid, we, their offspring pay ever-compounding consequences, including death, for their disobedience, as God had warned Adam.

So, did our universal father Adam get us off on the right foot as a fatherly example, with your claimed "inclination to love and protect our children" and "accept responsibility for them"? If he "wasn't deceived", didn't Adam really murder us all ,before we even existed?

Human fathers [and mothers]throughout history seem to have had little difficulty sacrificing their children in order to buy themselves some safety or favor from the bloodthirsty "gods" they themselves created and worshipped.

Really tired right now- will have to come back later and finish answering [as much as I can], if no one else does in the meantime.

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Maybe the atrocities that happen are illusions created by Satan and his angels. Just like in Job, different scenario to test creation.

"If your humans see others suffering in horrible ways, surely they will doubt you and think you are an unjust and uncaring God" and God grants the Devil power to test us.

It is certainly possible and its happened before.
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Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

Human parents have a moral responsibility to protect and try to raise their children to be what we think of as good citizens. Our laws, to some extent, make parents morally and legally responsible for the actions of their children.

God, our heavenly parent, is said to create our natures. Natures can only be followed. They cannot be changed, which I think is why God is said to hate some of us even in the womb; even before we can either do good or evil. IOW, he intentionally creates those he knows will be evil. I know some will blame manís sins on his free will and thus shift the burden of responsibility for our sins away from God but that urge to sin is controlled by the nature and inclinations that God himself puts in us. We do have free will but that does not explain why our will, will go to evil instead of good. That desire is part of the nature that God puts in us as the story of Esau shows. In a way, Esau had no choice.
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Using Satan as example: God did not make him evil. Satan means opposer. He made himself into Satan/Opposer, by opposing. We have inherited sin/"imperfection" from Adam, who was created perfect, and sin is what "brings forth death". All our ancestors have added to the imperfection we inherit, but we still have choices about our actions. If we indulge our worst tendencies, they will tend to grow, maybe even take over our lives. Jesus was provided as a ransom for those who would recognize that they were "slaves to sin and death" and want to be ransomed, so they, like the prodigal son, can return to their father, whose "commands are not burdensome" and who "is the one teaching you to benefit yourself".

I don't know to what you're referring, when you say "God ...is said to create our natures. Natures can only be followed. They cannot be changed" -Pretty sure this is not supported by the Scriptures.

If God were just one of many Gods in a God society, would that society demand that he take responsibility in the same way human society has decided that a human childís parent must take responsibilities?

Yes we would.
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In fact, this is what has happened. Satan charged that God was a liar, and wanted to rule mankind out of selfishness, and not benevolence. A third of the angels joined him in rebellion, as did Adam and many of his descendants. Though Jehovah God has the power to rule with or without consent of anyone, he has graciously allowed time, 6000 years so far, for anyone observing to see for themselves whether human self-rule has worked out well or not. [-actually Satan's rule and whoever he empowers to rule over mankind. Remember he offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world in return for a single act of worship?"] God can and will take back benevolent rulership ["your kingdom come"] when it's time. Meanwhile,"if you've searched for God, He has let himself be found by you." Not too late for that either, but maybe will be, soon. [link to www.jw.org]

The fact that God punishes or rewards us seems to indicate that he at least thinks that he has some moral responsibility; otherwise he could not morally retain the right to punish or reward. At present we have no clear picture of what heaven and hell are like. God does not provide full disclosure even though our soul is at stake. That is not justice.

Should Godís responsibility include full disclose of what our true reward and punishment is?
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Hell is death, the grave, nothing more. Reward is living forever on a paradise earth.






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My point is if you do the Will of God then only you can call you a child of Him. Until then you are just a child of your earthly parents.
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Decent parents don't disown their offspring just because they get off track or even commit atrocities.

Fortunately, God doesn't either - He jut gets a lot of bad press from the prodigal's older brother.
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God loves you, even unto death. If you question it, you'll only doubt God more.
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bumpbumpto 2 above

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It appears that most of your reasoning stems from your interpretation of Genesis;
"God did not seem to think so in Eden, where Adam and Eve knew of only the one punishment before the act of disobedience. They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them. To me, that was completely immoral of God. That is like God lying to Adam and Eve by omission."

If we reason from false truths, do we not arrive at erroneous conclusions?
Let's try looking at it another way which you may be able to relate to today.
Adam is the part of us that knows right from wrong, let's say our conscience. After all, it was Adam given the command.
Eve is the part of us that is the will - our emotions, our desires, etc
Who did the 'serpent' appeal to? The part of us that had the command or the part of us that are our emotions and desires? How does someone start sniffing glue even though they know that they could drop over dead? The 'serpent' would appeal to how it will make you feel, how the high is so nice etc. What then convinces us to actually sniff the glue? The part that knows right from wrong or the other part of ourself that wants to experience and feel the high? The latter, the eve, overrides the former, the Adam. Why did God curse Adam? Because he listened to his 'wife'. Does not Paul state that the spirit of the prophet must remain submissive to the prophet, I.e. the 'woman' to the 'man'? To me, herein lies the main issue with humanity and how easy it is for the serpent religions to deceive. On one hand you have Almighty God telling us that He is the Truth and to die to our flesh natures so that the flesh nature does not rule our Adam, and the serpents come along and appeal directly to that flesh nature with images and words of sex, drugs, violence, anger, rage, lies, greed, materialism etc etc. look at our society and we can see how the youth reject the Jesus Christ who says that we must take up the cross and die to our flesh in favor of the serpent who says REVEL IN THE FLESH.

Now where did Our Creator lie to Adam and Eve? He didn't. It's a parable. Eve, the spirit of the prophet, the woman, was deceived to eat the fruit. Based upon the serpents appeal, she then perceived the fruit, that was always there, to be good for what the serpent said. Like a stage hypnotist who suggests to a volunteer that when he opens his eyes that he'll see everyone in the audience as naked. Sure enough, the audience IS naked. The serpent (hypnotist) just changed the REALITY of that volunteer, didn't he? I, in the audience, still see the audience as clothed. How, if both the volunteer and I see through our eyes, do we SEE DIFFERENT REALITIES? The answer is the mind and what's been put in it.

The gospel is the power of God to transform your mind. When you think about the stage hypnotist, then look at the media age which has sprung upon us, filled with words and images, perhaps you'll get a sense as to how the serpent religions have overpowered the children of Christian forefathers. This is how the delusion is set. Like the victims of stage show hypnotists, our minds SEE WHAT THEY WANT US TO SEE AND BELIEVE. Now, when Jesus Christ said that HE IS THE TRUTH, He is an anchor and foundation for you to know WHAT IS REAL.
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I myself said, How gladly would I treat you like sons and give you a desirable land, the most beautiful inheritance of any nation.' I thought you would call me 'Father' and not turn away from following me. Jeremiah 3:19
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Thanks for this.

Are you planning on giving an answer to the question or is an old quote your non-answer?

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DL
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My point is if you do the Will of God then only you can call you a child of Him. Until then you are just a child of your earthly parents.
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So does he have any responsibility to his children?
Give a straight answer or be gone.

Regards
DL
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For the slow ones: God takes over responsibility for you if you follow His statutes, the advices. Bye
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Welp, if there is an interplanetary "child protective services" they need to be called STAT.

That is all.
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If you are Saying Natures and Characters
as in What Drives a Man, Then I think actually a Man Creates His Own Character to a degree
(environment Family friends work etc)

We all have a predisposition to Sin, Which If we Repent of Christ has Promised to Strength us against
(victory over are character flaws)

Actually found it quite hard to read your post with that Giraffe falling over constantly ;)

God is Quite clear in The Bible about Judgement to Reward each man for their works.

2 Options
The Just inherit the kingdom of God
&
The Wages of Sin is Death.

Its man that pushes "the Eternal Damnation Doctrine", The Bible Simply doesn't teach an immortal Eternal Soul, That was Lucifer in the Garden "surely you will not die"
(Billions dead since than)

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth IN HIM --->should not PERISH, but have -->EVERLASTING LIFE." John 3:16

"In my Father's house are--> many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." John 14:2-3

"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." Revelation 3:21

There is an Invisible World we are Not 100% aware of,

This is why people Should Pray against temptation, deception and Strength from are Heavenly Father against the corruptions of this world, it is ultimately up to the Man himself to side with God or Satan and the Rest of The World
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.......Which If we Repent of(,<---I SHOULD HAVE PUT THAT THERE SORRY) Christ has Promised to Strength us against
(victory over are character flaws)
.........
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Unbelievers are not children of God. They are children of Satan. Why don't you ask it about your own father instead of placing blame and inuendo on mine?

It's your choice of who your father is. You can be a child of God as an adopted son/daughter (Ye must be born again) or you can continue to live as a child of your accursed father. Your decision.
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the above poste3r is possessed by demons

and doens;t know it

yaps about crap he makes up and thinks they ae "good"

lol

when they have him already

that is why hwe ius on a conspiracy site and going to hell
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"God did not seem to think so in Eden, where Adam and Eve knew of only the one punishment before the act of disobedience. They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them. To me, that was completely immoral of God. That is like God lying to Adam and Eve by omission."

A complete surprise? Do you understand that it only states that 'eve' was deceived'? In which case, what about 'Adam'?
Now let's think about our mind. How is it that someone is seduced in to doing something which they KNOW not to do? A drug pusher extols the wonders of his drugs, the wonders of the highs, the feelings it will produce, the idea that everyone cool are doing them...a drug pusher seduces...by making the very thing which you had not noticed before (fruit, drugs) very appealing...now the drugs were always there but by the seduction you may begin to perceive the fruit differently, particularly if there is inequity within you. Look at Adam and eve as a parable about our minds...Adam had the command between right and wrong but the appeal went to feelings, emotions, pride, etc, didn't it? In fact the appeal was so strong that right and wrong went out the window. Its exactly what happens when we succumb to the flesh instead of the higher conscience that holds the command...

Genesis 1 all the trees were for food and there was no command. Genesis 2 one tree was placed off limits and a command was issued.

"The power of sin IS THE LAW"

5Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7The mind governed by the flesh is enmity (hostile) to God; it does not submit to Godís law, nor can it do so.

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death (Romans 6:23), that is, the devil"

For the wages of sin is death
The devil had the power of death
The mind governed by the flesh is death
Or... the devil has the power over the mind governed by the flesh... Or the devil's power is the mind governed by the flesh.....

But sin (whose power is the law), seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 

But DESIRING TO EAT THE FRUIT (whose power is the law YOU SHALL NOT EAT), seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment (YOU SHALL NOT EAT), produced in me every kind of coveting (I WANT THAT FRUIT!). For apart from the law (NO COMMAND), sin was dead (NO DESIRE TO EAT THE FRUIT, NO LAW=NO TRANSGRESSION).

The parable of Adam and eve is about the mind....Human minds being governed by the flesh. Look around at the western nations today, largely descended from Christian forefathers. We are told in Revelation that at the END of the Millenium Satan (the serpent) would be unbound to deceive. Our nation was deceived into exalting pleasures of the flesh and we live by those now. And it's producing horrendous consequences, death actually. And as the natural reflects the spiritual, it's the women that are targeted who bring it into the home, children are taught to HONOUR their feelings and emotions...the serpent appeals to those things...our minds are then governed by the flesh....instead of the Spirit of God.

All of your questions stem from your interpretation of Genesis...and faulty interpretations lead to faulty questions and conclusions. And I am certainly not saying that mine is right for He is leading me to understand what I need to understand. What I don't understand I don't blame him for however, because as Our God and Creator whose ways are so above mine, I simply trust that they are for the benefit of His Creation in the ages to come. When I look around today I see so many in fear and in troubles, yet I also see that those proud hearts need to be humbled for His Voice to EVEN BE HEARD. Just as when you meet somebody so filled with pride that no matter what you say as their friend, they do not listen. Is it truly any different between God and man? I don't think so. Man is proud and rebellious, thinking truly that he knows better than his very own Creator. And a lot of your questions strike me as coming from that proud and rebellious spirit and mind, saying 'How DARE HE!". May I suggest that that thinking is wholly stemming from a mind governed by the flesh, and that the serpent is your governor? Jesus Christ died to his flesh so that we too could do the same by the very Spirit and power of God who is infinitely more powerful than the ruler of the air. Can you sense how the serpent raises and gathers his armies to battle without the armies even knowing that they have joined ? It is those armies, governed by the flesh. They drove the gospel of God and Jesus Christ out of schools, institutions, homes, and families and hearts and minds and replaced it with a gospel that appeals to the flesh and iniquities within us. The people do the work of the beast never knowing that they are destroying themselves. As the serpents create fear they make more and more laws making more and more criminals and sinners...and so they exchange the Grace and Peace in God and in Christ for a dark dark tyrannical world.
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Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

Human parents have a moral responsibility to protect and try to raise their children to be what we think of as good citizens. Our laws, to some extent, make parents morally and legally responsible for the actions of their children.

God, our heavenly parent, is said to create our natures. Natures can only be followed. They cannot be changed, which I think is why God is said to hate some of us even in the womb; even before we can either do good or evil. IOW, he intentionally creates those he knows will be evil. I know some will blame manís sins on his free will and thus shift the burden of responsibility for our sins away from God but that urge to sin is controlled by the nature and inclinations that God himself puts in us. We do have free will but that does not explain why our will, will go to evil instead of good. That desire is part of the nature that God puts in us as the story of Esau shows. In a way, Esau had no choice.

If God were just one of many Gods in a God society, would that society demand that he take responsibility in the same way human society has decided that a human childís parent must take responsibilities?

Yes we would.

The fact that God punishes or rewards us seems to indicate that he at least thinks that he has some moral responsibility; otherwise he could not morally retain the right to punish or reward. At present we have no clear picture of what heaven and hell are like. God does not provide full disclosure even though our soul is at stake. That is not justice.

Should Godís responsibility include full disclose of what our true reward and punishment is?

God did not seem to think so in Eden, where Adam and Eve knew of only the one punishment before the act of disobedience. They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them. To me, that was completely immoral of God. That is like God lying to Adam and Eve by omission.

Does God have a responsibility for the souls he creates?

And since he could insure that all come to a good end in heaven, is making sure we get there also part of his responsibility since he creates the natures we cannot help but follow?

Any good human parent with God-like powers would insure the best end for his child if he had the power of a God. I know you and I would as part of our inclination to love and protect our children.

If God does not, does that make man more responsible than God in terms of accepting responsibility for our children?

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DL
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Firstly, the Bible God is not the real God.

Secondly, God doesn't punish and reward. We punish and reward ourselves through our own actions. The teacher doesn't give you a grade, you earn that grade.

Lastly, there is purpose to suffering. If God protected you from every single paper cut, how would you ever learn anything?

At some point a child has to move out of the parent's house to grow up and learn how to be responsible for themselves. It is how the soul evolves.
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Re: Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?
and too

both hercules and jesus got to be gods after they died

so he does show reposnibility

cause of like iheritance rules or soenthing
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Unbelievers are not children of God. They are children of Satan. Why don't you ask it about your own father instead of placing blame and inuendo on mine?

It's your choice of who your father is. You can be a child of God as an adopted son/daughter (Ye must be born again) or you can continue to live as a child of your accursed father. Your decision.
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Pharisee much?
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The answer to your question is:

NO

First, there would have to be a god who actually cared.
Second, this god could not be a respector of persons.
Third, this god would have to love the children unconditionally.

I've yet to see it in my lifetime.


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No argument friend.

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Does God have any moral responsibility to his children?

Human parents have a moral responsibility to protect and try to raise their children to be what we think of as good citizens. Our laws, to some extent, make parents morally and legally responsible for the actions of their children.

God, our heavenly parent, is said to create our natures. Natures can only be followed. They cannot be changed, which I think is why God is said to hate some of us even in the womb; even before we can either do good or evil. IOW, he intentionally creates those he knows will be evil. I know some will blame manís sins on his free will and thus shift the burden of responsibility for our sins away from God but that urge to sin is controlled by the nature and inclinations that God himself puts in us. We do have free will but that does not explain why our will, will go to evil instead of good. That desire is part of the nature that God puts in us as the story of Esau shows. In a way, Esau had no choice.

If God were just one of many Gods in a God society, would that society demand that he take responsibility in the same way human society has decided that a human childís parent must take responsibilities?

Yes we would.

The fact that God punishes or rewards us seems to indicate that he at least thinks that he has some moral responsibility; otherwise he could not morally retain the right to punish or reward. At present we have no clear picture of what heaven and hell are like. God does not provide full disclosure even though our soul is at stake. That is not justice.

Should Godís responsibility include full disclose of what our true reward and punishment is?

God did not seem to think so in Eden, where Adam and Eve knew of only the one punishment before the act of disobedience. They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them. To me, that was completely immoral of God. That is like God lying to Adam and Eve by omission.

Does God have a responsibility for the souls he creates?

And since he could insure that all come to a good end in heaven, is making sure we get there also part of his responsibility since he creates the natures we cannot help but follow?

Any good human parent with God-like powers would insure the best end for his child if he had the power of a God. I know you and I would as part of our inclination to love and protect our children.

If God does not, does that make man more responsible than God in terms of accepting responsibility for our children?

Regards
DL
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I don't see in scripture where he "creates our natures".

"They soon found that the one punishment became many. It was a complete surprise for them."-

1 Tim. 2:14 " Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and came to be in transgression."
So it doesn't sound like a "complete surprise" for Adam, does it?
Besides all the consequences they paid, we, their offspring pay ever-compounding consequences, including death, for their disobedience, as God had warned Adam.

So, did our universal father Adam get us off on the right foot as a fatherly example, with your claimed "inclination to love and protect our children" and "accept responsibility for them"? If he "wasn't deceived", didn't Adam really murder us all ,before we even existed?

Human fathers [and mothers]throughout history seem to have had little difficulty sacrificing their children in order to buy themselves some safety or favor from the bloodthirsty "gods" they themselves created and worshipped.

Really tired right now- will have to come back later and finish answering [as much as I can], if no one else does in the meantime.
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So if you have a child who does evil, you think it justified to punish your good children.

You are one sick puppy.

You prove that this clip speaks the truth.
Your religion has corrupted your morals.

[link to www.youtube.com]

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