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The Communist Manifesto - For those who say America isn't a communist country

 
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The Communist Manifesto - For those who say America isn't a communist country
I’ve seen many people on this site say that America isn’t a communist country, that Obama isn’t a communist, that libertarians or conservatives don’t understand communism. So, I propose to here lay out the case that (a) America has progressed significantly down the road to communism and (b) that Obama is a communist. All quotes are from Marx’s The Communist Manifesto, found here: [link to www.anu.edu.au]

Preamble

“The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production.”


Let me reword this: The working class will seize control of government through the democratic process, and will then use its power to seize all capital (wealth) from the middle class and the rich (together making up the “bourgeoisie”), to give the state complete control over the economy, and to increase production as quickly as possible. In the beginning, this must occur by means of violations of property rights. These violations will appear stupid from an economic point of view, but are necessary to completely recreate the economy and the nation.

Generally, have these things happened in America? I argue “yes”: the workers, through the Democrat Party, have seized government and made tens of millions dependent on them. – Government is used to seize the wealth of the middle class and the rich, and to transfer that wealth to the workers. – The State does have complete control over the economy, managing it through a number of departments centralized in the Federal Reserve’s control of the financial system. – These measures have been brought about through violations of property rights, most obviously through a vast array of taxes.

The Ten Planks of the Communist Party

“Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

Marx thinks that the specific steps necessary to bring about communism will vary from country to country. But these 10 steps are applicable in every country.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

This has been partially accomplished. Consider that all land property may be seized by eminent domain – no land is sacrosanct in the United States. Further, in large areas of the country, land ownership and use must respect zoning laws. In some States, privately owned land cannot be used as the owner wants, but must meet certain restrictions placed on owners by the State. For example, we all remember the famous case a few years ago of Oregon refusing to allow land owners to collect rain water on their own land. As to rents on land, although not all rent is applied to public purposes, much of it is through property tax and the like.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Obviously, this has been accomplished.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Though inheritance is still permitted in the United States, many States have death taxes.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

Although those leaving the United States do not lose their property, the Federal Government can tax them while they work in foreign countries. And obviously, anyone rebelling against the government faces the confiscation of all their property. Note that “rebels” can be interpreted broadly to include anyone suspected of federal or state crimes, as we have all seen in the case of NDAA and the new DHS measures.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

This has been accomplished through the Federal Reserve System.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

This has been accomplished in two ways. First, federal, state, and local governments directly control the majority of transportation systems in the country. Secondly, private transportation, primarily cars, are heavily regulated and licensed. As to communication, though most communication is privately owned, it is heavily regulated and licensed by the government. Finally, all communication is monitored by the government, either directly (NSA, CIA, FBI, etc.) or indirectly (Google, Microsoft, etc.).

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

Factories and instruments of production, generally, are known as capital. The degree of state ownership of capital is vast. For example, all currency is printed and owned by the government. Bonds are central to the financial system, and are owned by government (bonds can be cancelled at any time). This principle can be extended, for example, by taking into account the Federal Reserves policy of purchasing assets – indeed, the Fed now owns billions if not trillions of dollars of market assets. Other government agencies engage in a similar policy – Fannie and Freddie, for instance, buy all US mortgages.

As to waste lands and soil, the government has contributed to their cultivation generally. Their sponsoring of the spread of railroads, for instance, was primarily driven by the desire to cultivate and regulate the Western Frontier.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

This has been partially accomplished. Regarding agriculture, the entire industry has been centralized through the vast federal agriculture takeover of the second half of the twentieth century (e.g. farming subsidies etc.).

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

This was one of Marx’s most utopian ideals, and has not been applied very generally in the US. However, the desire to spread the Eastern Seaboard population towards the West by means of transcontinental railroads in the late-19th century is one example of an attempt to bring this about.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.”

This has essentially been achieved. In particular, note how all education is now driven towards the creation of a subservient worker class for the sake of production, rather than an independent and intelligent middle class as was the aim of America’s private education system and liberal arts college system.

Afterword

In sum, then, Marx wrote The Communist Manifesto as a blueprint for the communist takeover of countries. His ten-step program has largely been completed in the United States: Property has been subjugated to government. – An income tax has been created. – Inheritance rights are regulated. – All property is subject to confiscation. – Credit, transportation, and communication have been centralized. – Capital, land, and agriculture have been subordinated to government. – The population has been spread throughout the US to varying degrees. – Education has been centralized and rendered “free.”

In every sense, then, the communist blueprint has successfully been applied in the United States. Obama and the Democrats are in agreement with all but the ninth plank of the Communist Party (and even then, who’s to say they don’t intend it?).

The communists have been successful in the United States. We should realize this, and act appropriately.
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Wow, the first statement of the preamble discredits your whole argument. No one is touching the banksters or the top level corporate money. And that is a fact. As long as these multi-national corporations continue to profit billions of dollars a quarter, your argument holds no weight. Why? Because they are all owned by private companies. The money goes in to bank accounts of individual citizens. However, this is once again another distracting conversation that does nothing but divide people and take away from the overall point. Government and big business are conspiring on a daily basis to remove as much wealth from the average person like everyone on this site and put it in the hands of corrupt sociopathic politicians and businessman alike. Neither side is innocent. Neither side is completely at fault. Both need to be completely dismantled and rebuilt.

Fighting over stupid labels helps accomplish neither.
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Private banks make record profit last quarter.

[link to www.forbes.com]
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Wow, the first statement of the preamble discredits your whole argument. No one is touching the banksters or the top level corporate money. And that is a fact. As long as these multi-national corporations continue to profit billions of dollars a quarter, your argument holds no weight. Why? Because they are all owned by private companies. The money goes in to bank accounts of individual citizens. However, this is once again another distracting conversation that does nothing but divide people and take away from the overall point. Government and big business are conspiring on a daily basis to remove as much wealth from the average person like everyone on this site and put it in the hands of corrupt sociopathic politicians and businessman alike. Neither side is innocent. Neither side is completely at fault. Both need to be completely dismantled and rebuilt.

Fighting over stupid labels helps accomplish neither.
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Sigh.

I'll recite the same old response...The response that libertarians have been reciting for decades.

The corporations are government creations, designed to serve as an arm of government to dominate the market and centralize capital in the hands of the few. The corporations use government fiat currency to seize real material wealth from the majority and give them empty, worthless paper (now, computer digits) in exchange. Thus they serve to erode property rights and to effect the seizure of capital.

The corporations are an arm of the communist takeover. Wake up.
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Private banks make record profit last quarter.

[link to www.forbes.com]
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Again, sigh. The banks are government entities, dealing in government fiat currency. They are the mechanism by which government controls the financial system.
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Yup I read that a while ago. Pretty telling.
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Is "Communism" a political process or is it human nature to opress and defile the populace of your homeland out of spite greed and lust for power?
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0bama is a Marxist just like his real father, Frank Marshall Davis. Google that name and all will be revealed to you.
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The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
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Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963
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The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals
[link to rense.com]
Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963
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Interesting. I hadn't heard about that or about the author, Cleon Skousen.

For anyone reading this link, it's worth noting that these 45 goals are the interpretation of communism's attempt at world domination by a conservative author, Cleon Skousen.

"Skousen authored The Naked Communist and was the source of the publication "1963 Communist Goals" list. In 1970, he wrote The Naked Capitalist based on the book Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley, which claimed that top Western merchant bankers, industrialists and related institutions were behind the rise of communism and fascism around the world. Skousen's aim was to summarize the ideas in Quigley's books and thus make them accessible to a wider audience, however, Quigley disavowed Skousen's interpretations of his work. Skousen states in the work that the purpose of liberal internationalist groups such as the Council on Foreign Relations, is to push "U.S. foreign policy toward the establishment of a world-wide collectivist society." The Naked Capitalist has been cited by many, including Cleon Skousen's nephew Joel Skousen, as proof of a "New World Order" strategy to create a One World Government."

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We where never really free.Only the illusion of freedom.


As long a goverment tells us what to do, on any level you are not truly free!


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We where never really free.Only the illusion of freedom.


As long a goverment tells us what to do, on any level you are not truly free!


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We were more free. And we can become more free.
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The entire western world is crumbling under the red world order.

We will be fighting a blood filled war on our turf against home grown and trained leftard neomarxist socialist Fabian pinko commies.

enjoy.....

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This is important stuff. Thanks for posting it, OP.

Last Edited by Exorcise This on 06/06/2013 09:16 PM
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search in the GLP search box above: communist
and: marxism
also you tube:
cultural marxism the corruption of America
The introduction is in some foreign language, the main story is in english.
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PREDICTIONS ON THE EXECUTION OF THE STRATEGY’S FINAL PHASE

Expanded Role of the Communist Party

During “perestroika,” the political role of the Communist Party in communist countries will increase, not decrease. The Party will continue to exercise overall supervision and control over the mixed economy through Party members among the managers and technocrats. The Party, operating “underground” and “working by other means,” will provide political guidance to the Congress of Peoples’ Deputies and other “reformed” and successor parliaments and to the new “political parties” and “grassroots democratic associations” through Party cells and individual Party members in the leaderships of these organizations. Guidance to Party members will be given through confidential briefings. Freed from day-to-day supervision over the economy, the Party will devote itself to guiding and implementing “perestroika” in the USSR and Eastern Europe and to implementing the strategy in the West. The Soviet Party apparatus will become a true general staff of world revolution to be carried out through the strategy of “perestroika.”

more..... [link to onceuponatimeinthewest1.wordpress.com]
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PREDICTIONS ON THE EXECUTION OF THE STRATEGY’S FINAL PHASE

Expanded Role of the Communist Party

During “perestroika,” the political role of the Communist Party in communist countries will increase, not decrease. The Party will continue to exercise overall supervision and control over the mixed economy through Party members among the managers and technocrats. The Party, operating “underground” and “working by other means,” will provide political guidance to the Congress of Peoples’ Deputies and other “reformed” and successor parliaments and to the new “political parties” and “grassroots democratic associations” through Party cells and individual Party members in the leaderships of these organizations. Guidance to Party members will be given through confidential briefings. Freed from day-to-day supervision over the economy, the Party will devote itself to guiding and implementing “perestroika” in the USSR and Eastern Europe and to implementing the strategy in the West. The Soviet Party apparatus will become a true general staff of world revolution to be carried out through the strategy of “perestroika.”

more..... [link to onceuponatimeinthewest1.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7715788


Fantastic information. Thanks.

It's definitely worth emphasizing the fact that communism didn't go away with the fall of the Soviet Union. Crushing it was a great victory, but ideologues don't give up their ideology when their political system collapses. They simply go underground and find new ways to implement their beliefs.
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always a good bump

The Twentieth Century was the century of Socialism. The Twenty-first Century is the century of the transition to Communism. [T]he massive expansion of the productive forces worldwide associated with globalization is laying the material basis for communism. This is true even though this process is occurring largely under capitalist social relations.

– Communist Century website introduction and mission statement

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Great stuff and yes I agree...
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A Strong Collectivist Influence in Government manifests itself as Communism.
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Great stuff and yes I agree...
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cheers
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Yea what do you expect, helping to defeat the 3rd Reich only made the world safe for Global Marxism and International Jew Banking
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bumping for good times......

The USA will be at war with Russia within five years.

– Leonid Kagansky, senior adviser for European affairs to deceased Soviet tyrant Leonid Brezhnev; quoted by AllNewsWeb.com on November 8, 2008


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Sigh.

I'll recite the same old response...The response that libertarians have been reciting for decades.

The corporations are government creations, designed to serve as an arm of government to dominate the market and centralize capital in the hands of the few. The corporations use government fiat currency to seize real material wealth from the majority and give them empty, worthless paper (now, computer digits) in exchange. Thus they serve to erode property rights and to effect the seizure of capital.

The corporations are an arm of the communist takeover. Wake up.
 Quoting: TheOriginalMind


Hey,,, not everyone reads this bizarre strain of anarchism. So who are these great libertarian philosophers who espouse this idea that multi national corporations are actually slaves of govt?





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