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What do you do when you reach an end to you search for knowledge?

 
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You have listened with your eyes not heart, feel my words only though my GOD not your higher self can you have an eternity of wisdom direction and energy, not just a few days my GOD does not have me beg or suffer. And the power you seek is only with Him. my words are truth.

You are not reviving because you are expecting yourself(higher or not) to know all there is to know.

this is a way of thinking that will strand you and leave you stagnate, we can only advance so far by ourselves.

the reason you go no where id you have no divine propose till you claim it , there it will stay all the amazing possibilities and opportunity you will never see because the ego filled you up and there was no room left for propose.


you do not have ears to hear i am not a bible thumping crazy gossip christian, I live what i say blind compassion , honor of my word, faith in my GOD all awnser are found there, he created all things he understands them all to not agree a creator knows his creation. is to say a mother knows not her son.

your soul and my soul didn't make this world however we can mold it. if you pray to the GOD i ask It only takes once. are you afraid I will be right and you ego will be wrong. if this isnt the case prove me wrong. for i know a prayer from heart even a doubting one is heard. just try it to prove me wrong.
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Twenty years ago I fought my own epic battle with utter meaninglessness. My life had no meaning, none. Nothing mattered. I was in psychological and spiritual pain. Meaninglessness plagued me. I could think of nothing else. Nothing exterior satisfied me. Only momentarily distracted etc.

I thought I have to end this meaninglessness or it's going to end me.

Back then I had this fear, this fear that if I were to get hit by a car and end up laying in the street with 30 seconds to live looking at people come over to help and maybe the blue sky and some clouds, or just the underside of the car, that I'd be laying there knowing I was dying, knowing I had 30 seconds to live and I would be hating myself for all of it because here I was on my way out and I did not know who I was or what it was all about. That I had wasted so much time on nothing, on watching TV! And now I would die meaningless.

I hated that thought.

So, I decided to tackle this meaninglessness problem head on but didn't even know how to begin.

I thought about what I would need to defeat it and did I have that? I got basic. Like what does a person need to defeat meaninglessness? If I were like Amelia Earhart and lost on some remote island with nothing but the clothes on my back would I be missing anything? Would I need to go to New York and buy something? Surely not?

For what about people facing meaninglessness before there was a New York? Or currency to buy anything? I already tried to buy meaninglessness away you see, and I knew/realized that that didn't work.

Well maybe stuck on an island with a bible then? Well, that might help, but if you had to ditch your plane or boat in a storm and arrived with absolutely nothing what then? Would you make it? Would you be all right? I would think so. With enough food water and shelter you'd be fine.

I reasoned therefore, that what I need to defeat utter meaninglessness I must already possess! (Even if I don't know what that is.) And that what I most truly need must already exist within me... for really, how else would I acquire it? And of all the myriad things of the world, if this were not so, how would I choose what item it was that would suffice?! No.

I got to a point of stillness about it. I knew that exterior things had been tried and trying more different ones wasn't the Way. I ceased with exterior focus. But I had a thought in my stillness. IF some other person in History ever defeated this plague of meaninglessness then they would probably write about having done it. That seemed reasonable to me.

And so instead of going to Tibet (which I had vowed to do for however long it took to find "the answer"), I went to the public library.

And I began to read. In the course of 3 months I read everything in 3 and a half shelves of a pretty well stocked public library. I quit everything but basic things and only did that. I went every day. I signed out a dozen books every day and would dig through the piles I had every night.

I took out and read so many books in such a short time the people at the library thought I was a young professor with students to teach. When they would ask me about it along those lines, I would detect a hint of shock on their faces, when I would tell them simply, "Oh no, no, I'm reading these just for myself..." They were all like WTF? Even though they worked in a library. It struck me, as an aside, how great a thing a public lending library is. The public library saved my life.

As I would get books and read them I would extract certain quotes, certain phrases and paragraphs that seemed insightful to me, seemed wise or helpful. Seemed to give me direction, though at the time I didn't know to where. And I would write them out in pencil or pen on pieces of paper.

One day three months in I was reading a book by one guy and at about the middle of the book there was a paragraph that struck a chord in me and I recalled seeing something similar not a month prior in a completely different book by a different author, an excerpt, I had scribbled down for saving.

I dug it out and compared the two.

At that moment I realized that these two guys who likely knew not of each other described pretty much the exact same thing worded only slightly differently.

And with that recognition, with that realization, upon the comparison, something happened to me. I not only at that split second understood what they were saying I somehow took it on and embodied it completely.

A fire ran through my mind, everything made perfect sense to me, and I mean Everything. It was incredible. My mind raced in connection making as if it was, as if I was Manic. But it wasn't exactly that. Everything just became whole and made sense. And what this ultimately did was completely end my meaninglessness. It was GONE. I couldn't even recall what it felt like. And I went "Ha! There." It was all over. I had ended it. My plan, which really wasn't any kind of plan, worked.

Now this is not exactly advice just a small personal story.
(Make of it what you will)

I've successfully played around with looking at things, trying to understand and to overcome. I was in pain and so I was motivated. I was serious about doing whatever it took to overcome. And the first thing I got after distilling out a bit of basic reasoning, was a library card.

But it's not all cheeseburgers in paradise, this playing around and overcoming stuff.

Sure sure, one of the things I gained in that split second was meaningfulness. Dust is meaningful to me etc. But one of the things I lost in that instant was worldly ambition. You can be so much you don't even feel like doing. It can seem rather pointless. So be careful when you're playing around and attempting to overcome stuff trying to get to the next level.

On the one hand everything might seem perfect, but on the other you might still have some work to do.

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I know that this is something very hard to swallow for those of you content with a relativist point of view (the "there is no truth" gang, among others), but I am truly an individual who has found all the answers (or at least all the answers that matter).

If you have trouble believing that, it still makes no difference to my case. Whether or not I'm the real deal or just a schizophrenic, the fact stays as a fact that what I'll describe to you is exactly how I feel ... and there is seemingly no way out.

so please help me out here with ideas.

I am not depressed. On the contrary, I feel very sympathetic, very thankful for what life has given me. For all this understanding that I have, I feel calm and peaceful, and powerful. My self-confidence is also over the roof.

But I'm worried about this feeling of meaninglessness that has set in my life. I cannot convince myself to do anything anymore, since everything seems empty to me. Only the most basic necessities and the most logical needs of household life can move me. For everything else I cannot move a finger towards doing the involved tasks. Nothing rocks my boat anymore; nothing fascinates, motivates or enthusiasms me. I laugh about everything, but I also feel that I could cry about everything.

I feel like I'm back to the beginning, and with no energy left to start over. I do have physical and mental energy to do common things, but most of it is in a motionless, paralyzed state, as if my body has been storing it for the future.

My situation would be ironic if it wasn't sad. What is beginning to annoy me is that I am also having trouble keeping my word and helping out people. Sometimes I will take so long to do something for a friend that they just give up on me.

I mean, "helping others" should be a pretty convincing argument to anyone. I never thought that it could be topped by my onsetting apathy... but I was wrong. Even the idea of helping has lost meaning to me. Who should be the first to receive my help? Where do I begin exactly? What do I gain? What do they gain? All of these questions start flooding my head and soon I no longer know what to do.

Those of you who have reached a high level of spirituality know that life ultimately has no guidelines or intrinsic meaning / purpose , except for the one that you create. This is a marvelous realization -- that you are indeed the god of your life -- and yet here I am totally out of ideas. I have absolutely no idea of what to do with my "freedom."

Over the years I have considered many scenarios / strategies, hundreds of them to be frank, and not a single one has worked. I tried over and over again to come up with some kind of self-made Oracle that I could look into and suddenly know what to do , despite of my own wishes. But you can only lie to yourself for so long...

For a while I was also afraid that the only solution would involve forgetting or destroying part of my knowledge, which -- now I believe -- is not only illogical, but probably impossible.

So here I am. I am much similar to the Marvel character called 'the Sentry ', arguably the most powerful of Earth's superheroes (Hulk and Thor fans often differ), but due to crippling mental problems he is totally ineffectual in real battles.

I am unable to participate anymore, to interact with people, to take their dreams as my own, etc. And I don't think it's a matter of me being unable to see thru their points of view. Trust me, I have eliminated / outed every single point that ever passed thru my head. Absolutely none of the many beliefs, affirmations and quotes that people cling to make any sense to me anymore. Catchphrases and clever sayings used to work a few days, sometimes weeks, but nowadays they only last seconds. Whatever is your "point" about life, I'm confident that I can destroy it with only 3 sentences.

Nothing that I ever learned in theory seems to work in practice. Practice is a closed system...and everything we do is completely spontaneous / out of control. I simply cannot force this creature, this "body" that I associate with, to do the things that I desire. Hell, I'm not even sure if I exist.

There is no such thing as control, only illusion. You don't exist -- you only think that you do.

It's like an invisible forcefield. I cannot even force my body to move a finger toward doing anything useful. I have tried physically fighting this force before. I remember when I used all of my strength to move myself to the office to work on one of my projects, but my body paralyzed and my mind went blank. Then I collapsed on the floor exhausted.

And the worst is that I cannot lie to it either. I've tried luring my body with sex and food before , but the process was often interrupted halfway because somehow the 'FORCE' KNEW my game.

And there is more...

In order to convince yourself to do something , there must exist some kind of problem that you are able to see. But I see no problem with the cosmos. Everywhere I look, it seems just the way it should be. Nothing to fix, nothing to prove. I see no forces to oppose and no challenges to conquer...except perhaps this one: how do I fill this great big void that I am now the king of?

Nihilism or enlightenment? You decide. I cannot say for sure because I don't believe in Nihilism either, and enlightenment has been disappointing to me lately.

I need your help, because this star, this person, is suffering a premature death. I have lost my identity and I don't know what to do anymore.

Thank you for reading.
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"this great void that I'm the king of"....... well there's your problem, who wants to be king of that? You thought you did and now you see the wasteland. When I wanted the Truth, I asked God to show it to me and He did. Try it.
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You have listened with your eyes not heart, feel my words only though my GOD not your higher self can you have an eternity of wisdom direction and energy, not just a few days my GOD does not have me beg or suffer. And the power you seek is only with Him. my words are truth.

You are not reviving because you are expecting yourself(higher or not) to know all there is to know.

this is a way of thinking that will strand you and leave you stagnate, we can only advance so far by ourselves.

the reason you go no where id you have no divine propose till you claim it , there it will stay all the amazing possibilities and opportunity you will never see because the ego filled you up and there was no room left for propose.


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So you're saying that I must work on the sincerity part. Perhaps ask Him with a more humble demeanor. Well I have tried this before; I told Him I was a failure, that I was stupid and unable to lead my own life and needed His guidance. I have tried this before sir, and here I am still swimming with the sharks. I have only been given partial solutions.

Your advice is sound though. It won't hurt to try one more time.
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There is no do, Only try? yoda
If you meet Buddha in the road kill him and keep going...
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Now this is not exactly advice just a small personal story.
(Make of it what you will)

I've successfully played around with looking at things, trying to understand and to overcome. I was in pain and so I was motivated. I was serious about doing whatever it took to overcome. And the first thing I got after distilling out a bit of basic reasoning, was a library card.

But it's not all cheeseburgers in paradise, this playing around and overcoming stuff.

Sure sure, one of the things I gained in that split second was meaningfulness. Dust is meaningful to me etc. But one of the things I lost in that instant was worldly ambition. You can be so much you don't even feel like doing. It can seem rather pointless. So be careful when you're playing around and attempting to overcome stuff trying to get to the next level.

On the one hand everything might seem perfect, but on the other you might still have some work to do.

Good Luck
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An interesting personal tale. I've been through this many times, but in smaller bouts. Raging thru websites, books and thoughts, trying to find anything that could restore my faith and provide meaning to my life. And then comes the Eureka moment, when a face of distraught turns into a smile and suddenly you're back in the game of life...

But this no longer happens dude. There is no pain, only numbness. Hence there is no motivation to even look for answers anymore.

Like you, I lost my ambition. Cannot really be bothered with accomplishing stuff just for the sake of recognition.

It is true: Be careful with what you ask around. You might just get it..

But there must be a way to conciliate extraordinary spiritual knowledge with worldly bullshit and emulate / pretend that you have ambition again. I have not given up yet.
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And yet, you are helpless to act...

Restrained by forces greater than yourself.

Greater than your desire. Your will. Your strength.

You are Helpless...

And yet, you remain engrained in your philosophy. Thinking the next level is just around the bend.

Where is peace, OP?
Where is assurance?
Where is comfort?
Where is wisdom?
Where is purpose?
Where is meaning?

If these answers exist, why do they not bring fruit in you life?
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Dude

I should already have achieve the next level, and then the next, and the next.. I don't understand why I remain here motionless and paralyzed. It's almost like there is REALLY some invisible entity holding me back.

When I was 20 I thought that by 28 I would already be a superhero based on my knowledge alone. By my calculations right now I should be flying around with self-invented gears saving the world.

That's how i perceive the potential that this knowledge has given me. But certainly I have miscalculated. My knowledge remains flawless, but its application has been unsuccessful

I have been given wisdom, meaning, purpose, comfort, assurance, as you say. But none of these attributes translate well as effortless action.

Masons believe that godhood can be achieved by knowledge alone, but look over here: I'm living proof that they may be wrong after all. because even with my knowledge, no fruit has been harvested. And I don't know why. Do you?

My tree, it's a fruitful one after all, but it's too tall apparently. Should I jump from this 'high horse' and perhaps land onto something good, perhaps an answer? What do you think?
 Quoting: gus.


Knowledge is not the greatest gift. Not from our purview neighbor. Not here and not now. We know nothing.

We don't know where we came from and where we go to. We can't even fill in the first page or the last page.

So I suggest you carefully prune back the tree to a more realistic height.

Peace,
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Hey OP I hope my comments help a little.


All there is: Perspective

From my perspective:

I agree that everything is pointless in a sense because there is no objective "truth".

It feels like you are missing something. Now take the perspective that you WILL NEVER FIND IT. Sit with that, when you try to deny it with a thought, remember that from that perspective IT IS TRUE. Sit with it for 10 minutes. You should ease into it. It will feel shitty till it just seems fine and irrelevant.

With that said. Life is great because you get to assign the meaning... but if you are SEEKING some THING you will never find it.


Let me try to explain (I will probably ramble, as I'm sure you are aware words are not the best when dealing with this subject)

It is like trying to go through life sitting in front of a mirror waiting for it to smile before you feel happy. That will never happen.

While it is illusion, you get to prescribe the meaning to your perspective at any moment of NOW. The only Rule or Law in the universe is that YOU GET WHAT YOU FOCUS ON. That is how the Machine works.

But you need to unfocus. A wise man told me "If you can find what you want in any thing, then you have found something truly amazing"

I think what we all want is to feel satisfied, we want to feel satisfied because we want to feel joy and happiness. Why? Because we can choose to.

If you can find anything that makes you happy, find it and feel that feeling. then step two "When you find what you want in anything (everything), then you have found something amazing" Don't let the external dictate your state. You are what defines your perspective. If you see the bad and pointlessness in things, your perspective is going to give you more things that make life seem pointless.

As for me, I have eliminated all negative thought forms. I focus only on the postive and love all things.

IMPORTANTTTT: If you are expecting some instant switch, some mass revelation, that is not how it works. It is a process. Life can truly become a dream fairytale but you have to work your way to the miracles. As you focus on happiness and love, you draw more of it into your perspective. My "Purpose" is to feel more and more bliss, peace, happiness, and joy.... but it isn't instantaneous, But that is what makes it worth living, getting to grow and learn, to love my wife more every day, to love nature more everytime i step outside. To be more and more marveled by what ALREADY IS.

What you want is now, you need only switch your perspective to see it.

You are worth of feeling AWESOME, and don't you think an infinity of experiencing more and more awesome is worth living for?

My purpose: Being, Becoming, Bliss

Side note: We are often afraid to be afraid, but it is in surrendered love that we feel vulnerable, like we have something to lose.

Wrap Up: Follow you bliss, WITHOUT EXPECTATION, because when you get to a new perspective what you thought was exciting may not be in the new perspective, but that is only because you have moved into a more accurate version of yourself. What might be money and sex, might become a wife and a cottage in the woods, just chase your excitement forever ;)
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serve Jesus Christ; He will knight you and give you the most challenging quests with which to exercise your knowledge.
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In order to convince yourself to do something , there must exist some kind of problem that you are able to see. But I see no problem with the cosmos. Everywhere I look, it seems just the way it should be. Nothing to fix, nothing to prove. I see no forces to oppose and no challenges to conquer...except perhaps this one: how do I fill this great big void that I am now the king of?
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Even if you see through everything,

there are many areas that you can still improve and refine.
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Twenty years ago I fought my own epic battle with utter meaninglessness. My life had no meaning, none. Nothing mattered. I was in psychological and spiritual pain. Meaninglessness plagued me. I could think of nothing else. Nothing exterior satisfied me. Only momentarily distracted etc.

I thought I have to end this meaninglessness or it's going to end me.

Back then I had this fear, this fear that if I were to get hit by a car and end up laying in the street with 30 seconds to live looking at people come over to help and maybe the blue sky and some clouds, or just the underside of the car, that I'd be laying there knowing I was dying, knowing I had 30 seconds to live and I would be hating myself for all of it because here I was on my way out and I did not know who I was or what it was all about. That I had wasted so much time on nothing, on watching TV! And now I would die meaningless.

I hated that thought.

So, I decided to tackle this meaninglessness problem head on but didn't even know how to begin.

I thought about what I would need to defeat it and did I have that? I got basic. Like what does a person need to defeat meaninglessness? If I were like Amelia Earhart and lost on some remote island with nothing but the clothes on my back would I be missing anything? Would I need to go to New York and buy something? Surely not?

For what about people facing meaninglessness before there was a New York? Or currency to buy anything? I already tried to buy meaninglessness away you see, and I knew/realized that that didn't work.

Well maybe stuck on an island with a bible then? Well, that might help, but if you had to ditch your plane or boat in a storm and arrived with absolutely nothing what then? Would you make it? Would you be all right? I would think so. With enough food water and shelter you'd be fine.

I reasoned therefore, that what I need to defeat utter meaninglessness I must already possess! (Even if I don't know what that is.) And that what I most truly need must already exist within me... for really, how else would I acquire it? And of all the myriad things of the world, if this were not so, how would I choose what item it was that would suffice?! No.

I got to a point of stillness about it. I knew that exterior things had been tried and trying more different ones wasn't the Way. I ceased with exterior focus. But I had a thought in my stillness. IF some other person in History ever defeated this plague of meaninglessness then they would probably write about having done it. That seemed reasonable to me.

And so instead of going to Tibet (which I had vowed to do for however long it took to find "the answer"), I went to the public library.

And I began to read. In the course of 3 months I read everything in 3 and a half shelves of a pretty well stocked public library. I quit everything but basic things and only did that. I went every day. I signed out a dozen books every day and would dig through the piles I had every night.

I took out and read so many books in such a short time the people at the library thought I was a young professor with students to teach. When they would ask me about it along those lines, I would detect a hint of shock on their faces, when I would tell them simply, "Oh no, no, I'm reading these just for myself..." They were all like WTF? Even though they worked in a library. It struck me, as an aside, how great a thing a public lending library is. The public library saved my life.

As I would get books and read them I would extract certain quotes, certain phrases and paragraphs that seemed insightful to me, seemed wise or helpful. Seemed to give me direction, though at the time I didn't know to where. And I would write them out in pencil or pen on pieces of paper.

One day three months in I was reading a book by one guy and at about the middle of the book there was a paragraph that struck a chord in me and I recalled seeing something similar not a month prior in a completely different book by a different author, an excerpt, I had scribbled down for saving.

I dug it out and compared the two.

At that moment I realized that these two guys who likely knew not of each other described pretty much the exact same thing worded only slightly differently.

And with that recognition, with that realization, upon the comparison, something happened to me. I not only at that split second understood what they were saying I somehow took it on and embodied it completely.

A fire ran through my mind, everything made perfect sense to me, and I mean Everything. It was incredible. My mind raced in connection making as if it was, as if I was Manic. But it wasn't exactly that. Everything just became whole and made sense. And what this ultimately did was completely end my meaninglessness. It was GONE. I couldn't even recall what it felt like. And I went "Ha! There." It was all over. I had ended it. My plan, which really wasn't any kind of plan, worked.

Now this is not exactly advice just a small personal story.
(Make of it what you will)

I've successfully played around with looking at things, trying to understand and to overcome. I was in pain and so I was motivated. I was serious about doing whatever it took to overcome. And the first thing I got after distilling out a bit of basic reasoning, was a library card.

But it's not all cheeseburgers in paradise, this playing around and overcoming stuff.

Sure sure, one of the things I gained in that split second was meaningfulness. Dust is meaningful to me etc. But one of the things I lost in that instant was worldly ambition. You can be so much you don't even feel like doing. It can seem rather pointless. So be careful when you're playing around and attempting to overcome stuff trying to get to the next level.

On the one hand everything might seem perfect, but on the other you might still have some work to do.

Good Luck
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welcome to life...now go find the real answers...
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move to another country, look towards their shiz, if all fails, go into a sleep induced coma
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Take a long hike in the wilderness bud, that should bring you down to earth and get your head out of the clouds. Yep.
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I kinda have the apathy or lack of joy thing too. It's not that I know everything but what I know has made me at peace with the universe. People on the other hand are still a mystery to me go figure. I have a difficult time connecting to others and sharing my experience. It's more of a written love story not suitable for most to hear. It's the kind of wisdom or story you tell someone after knowing them for years. Trouble is I have nobody like that yet and with my energy and perspective it's draining to do what everyone else is doing. Like being a stranger among peers. Not lacking compassion but very sensitive to the emotions of others. I'm not merely listening I'm feeling.
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You will become an assassin.
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Fart, and eat your bubble gum.
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You eliminate the Jews.
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You get old and tired and take up gardening.
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I know that this is something very hard to swallow for those of you content with a relativist point of view (the "there is no truth" gang, among others), but I am truly an individual who has found all the answers (or at least all the answers that matter).

If you have trouble believing that, it still makes no difference to my case. Whether or not I'm the real deal or just a schizophrenic, the fact stays as a fact that what I'll describe to you is exactly how I feel ... and there is seemingly no way out.

so please help me out here with ideas.

I am not depressed. On the contrary, I feel very sympathetic, very thankful for what life has given me. For all this understanding that I have, I feel calm and peaceful, and powerful. My self-confidence is also over the roof.

But I'm worried about this feeling of meaninglessness that has set in my life. I cannot convince myself to do anything anymore, since everything seems empty to me. Only the most basic necessities and the most logical needs of household life can move me. For everything else I cannot move a finger towards doing the involved tasks. Nothing rocks my boat anymore; nothing fascinates, motivates or enthusiasms me. I laugh about everything, but I also feel that I could cry about everything.

I feel like I'm back to the beginning, and with no energy left to start over. I do have physical and mental energy to do common things, but most of it is in a motionless, paralyzed state, as if my body has been storing it for the future.

My situation would be ironic if it wasn't sad. What is beginning to annoy me is that I am also having trouble keeping my word and helping out people. Sometimes I will take so long to do something for a friend that they just give up on me.

I mean, "helping others" should be a pretty convincing argument to anyone. I never thought that it could be topped by my onsetting apathy... but I was wrong. Even the idea of helping has lost meaning to me. Who should be the first to receive my help? Where do I begin exactly? What do I gain? What do they gain? All of these questions start flooding my head and soon I no longer know what to do.

Those of you who have reached a high level of spirituality know that life ultimately has no guidelines or intrinsic meaning / purpose , except for the one that you create. This is a marvelous realization -- that you are indeed the god of your life -- and yet here I am totally out of ideas. I have absolutely no idea of what to do with my "freedom."

Over the years I have considered many scenarios / strategies, hundreds of them to be frank, and not a single one has worked. I tried over and over again to come up with some kind of self-made Oracle that I could look into and suddenly know what to do , despite of my own wishes. But you can only lie to yourself for so long...

For a while I was also afraid that the only solution would involve forgetting or destroying part of my knowledge, which -- now I believe -- is not only illogical, but probably impossible.

So here I am. I am much similar to the Marvel character called 'the Sentry ', arguably the most powerful of Earth's superheroes (Hulk and Thor fans often differ), but due to crippling mental problems he is totally ineffectual in real battles.

I am unable to participate anymore, to interact with people, to take their dreams as my own, etc. And I don't think it's a matter of me being unable to see thru their points of view. Trust me, I have eliminated / outed every single point that ever passed thru my head. Absolutely none of the many beliefs, affirmations and quotes that people cling to make any sense to me anymore. Catchphrases and clever sayings used to work a few days, sometimes weeks, but nowadays they only last seconds. Whatever is your "point" about life, I'm confident that I can destroy it with only 3 sentences.

Nothing that I ever learned in theory seems to work in practice. Practice is a closed system...and everything we do is completely spontaneous / out of control. I simply cannot force this creature, this "body" that I associate with, to do the things that I desire. Hell, I'm not even sure if I exist.

There is no such thing as control, only illusion. You don't exist -- you only think that you do.

It's like an invisible forcefield. I cannot even force my body to move a finger toward doing anything useful. I have tried physically fighting this force before. I remember when I used all of my strength to move myself to the office to work on one of my projects, but my body paralyzed and my mind went blank. Then I collapsed on the floor exhausted.

And the worst is that I cannot lie to it either. I've tried luring my body with sex and food before , but the process was often interrupted halfway because somehow the 'FORCE' KNEW my game.

And there is more...

In order to convince yourself to do something , there must exist some kind of problem that you are able to see. But I see no problem with the cosmos. Everywhere I look, it seems just the way it should be. Nothing to fix, nothing to prove. I see no forces to oppose and no challenges to conquer...except perhaps this one: how do I fill this great big void that I am now the king of?

Nihilism or enlightenment? You decide. I cannot say for sure because I don't believe in Nihilism either, and enlightenment has been disappointing to me lately.

I need your help, because this star, this person, is suffering a premature death. I have lost my identity and I don't know what to do anymore.

Thank you for reading.
 Quoting: gus.


Control is either cruel OR an illusion.
Work on turning your soul loose to witness things you're not aware even exist.
Information is fractal, and extrapolation lends no justice to experience no matter how much you think you know.
Work on expressing what you may perceive to be implausible, and you may find that the only thing that's implausible, is impossible.
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i think the society, the way we grow up has put in us an idea that doing something is rewardful.
now you are in a state of fight - you want to do something because you think its better then not doing anything vs. you just want to lay down and do nothing.

maybe i can give you a satisfying idea - we are moving (through space), there are cells creating themselves, brain impulses are flashing..

there are some ''simple'' practical problems - growing foods, distributing electricity etc. is it wrong to not be a part of that? and help others with maintaining and improving our surrounding?

is your ''wish'' to do nothing a way for your body to get rest, save energy, preserve itself?

maybe your body has calculated that doing is not worthy.

maybe you urge for intense experiences like the ones you had on drugs and nothing else seems ''fun'' enough.

time passes, you live, you will live, experience as much as you can, or dont.. i agree that in the end it doesnt matter.

enjoy your vanity, enjoy yourself, enjoy your thoughts.
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also it just cant be the end.
as someone in the thread said it is as you pass the walls in your path of evolving (moving forward) and you are probably in front of one right now.
although i think we are just always wanting, waiting for something big (intense).
years pass by and you still feel the void, something missing (maybe its related to the first memories of mothers nearness, maybe that doesnt matter at all).
maybe we are driven by some cosmos/earth forces and they pull us and our thoughts at their direction or away from them..
in all that chaos stands your body and your thoughts, standing pretty solid and bold, made of so many elements, entwined strings, shapes, functions.
the thing you are missing i think is amazement.. with everything.. eyes, skin, body, day, night, technology, displays, colors, youth, growth, old..
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In order to convince yourself to do something , there must exist some kind of problem that you are able to see. But I see no problem with the cosmos. Everywhere I look, it seems just the way it should be. Nothing to fix, nothing to prove. I see no forces to oppose and no challenges to conquer...except perhaps this one: how do I fill this great big void that I am now the king of?
 Quoting: gus.


Even if you see through everything,

there are many areas that you can still improve and refine.
 Quoting: TheMainFrame


no doubt about that. I'm a perfectionist dude, a system buster, an analytical person with enormous power of abstraction. I can see hundreds of ways to improve every aspect of human life. I walk around with the pressure of hundreds of things pending for me to do.

Because of my mental crippling problems I'm not assuming many responsibilities on the social arena anymore (just doing some quick computer repairs lately), but that doesn't mean I lack responsibility, because I have taken for myself the invisible weight of the world.

It's not that I want to save the world, as I don't believe that it truly needs saving, but I want to be everything that I can possibly be based on my knowledge alone. It should amount to something more than just this, a human who is no longer capable of motivating himself to do the right thing.

Motivation comes from the inside, I know, but it also seems to depend on external circumstances. Apparently there is no formula to create motivation. It's seems to be completely out of our control. As far as I can tell, we are pawns of higher entities.

When a tragedy occurs, I become motivated, but what is the value of this? You sit down inside your house watching TV and doing menial stuff while waiting for the next tragedy to occur. I can think of many ways to prevent problems to occur in my life, and still I sit here waiting for them to knock on my door. I see exactly what I am doing wrong with my life (wasting time) and yet I KEEP DOING IT. It's like part of me is WORKING to fuck things up. There is a part of me who is ACTIVELY working to CREATE problems by remaining INACTIVE.

It's EASY to get your motivation from external stimulus. If you take away your social role / identity, your contract with family and career, you will be completely lost; you will be back into questioning the meaning of life and all...

I want to be able to create my own motivation to do the things I want, and not have it forced upon me by external forces.

My problem is not a lack of things to do. I have plenty of things to do, too many to count. Several unfinished projects that could make an impact in the world. Several ideas for improving my life and the life of others. Several responsibilities left unchecked.

My problem is that I have TOO much to do. I sincerely desire to tackle everything, to mark all checkboxes of this giant to-do list as soon as possible. But it's overwhelming for me because I don't know where to start. My expectancies for self-efficacy are those of a god. I can understand those people who are categorized as neurotics for being perfectionists at school. But in my case, being a perfectionist is the MINIMUM I should do. It would be a betrayal of my part to NOT strive to be a perfectionist, because I OWE so much to God/Universe/Whatever for giving me this knowledge.

Yet I remain part-human with limited energy levels. There is a mismatch between where my mind is and what I am physically. And this is disabling me completely. It doesn't seem fair to hold this kind of power and not be able to save the day.

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i think the society, the way we grow up has put in us an idea that doing something is rewardful.
now you are in a state of fight - you want to do something because you think its better then not doing anything vs. you just want to lay down and do nothing.

maybe i can give you a satisfying idea - we are moving (through space), there are cells creating themselves, brain impulses are flashing..

there are some ''simple'' practical problems - growing foods, distributing electricity etc. is it wrong to not be a part of that? and help others with maintaining and improving our surrounding?

is your ''wish'' to do nothing a way for your body to get rest, save energy, preserve itself?

maybe your body has calculated that doing is not worthy.

maybe you urge for intense experiences like the ones you had on drugs and nothing else seems ''fun'' enough.

time passes, you live, you will live, experience as much as you can, or dont.. i agree that in the end it doesnt matter.

enjoy your vanity, enjoy yourself, enjoy your thoughts.
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AC, if I only knew that doing 'nothing' is the right thing to do at this time, I would gladly sit back and relax, but uncertainty reigns on all levels. When it comes to 'practice theory', all I know is that I don't know anything.

I have a pretty good idea of what I should be doing right now, but I just lack the energy / motivation. I used to counterbalance that with strong ideals and altruistic aspirations, but doesn't work anymore. And as I explained, this 'force' that prevents us from doing the right thing, is just too great. It attacks me with such violence that I'm left exhausted and utterly defeated -- can't raise a finger. Physically, it's like a forcefield that pushes you AWAY from the work spot. Mentally, it's some sort of panic attack that causes you to lose focus.

When I try to convince myself to get up and do stuff , I end up falling asleep or turning attention to something else. This can happen 10/ 20 times on a row, and it tires me so much mentally. I use up all of my energy just to fight the apathy, the uncertainty, the meaninglessness, and then there is no energy left to actually do the work.

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I'm a perfectionist dude, a system buster, an analytical person with enormous power of abstraction. I can see hundreds of ways to improve every aspect of human life. I walk around with the pressure of hundreds of things pending for me to do.

Because of my mental crippling problems I'm not assuming many responsibilities on the social arena anymore (just doing some quick computer repairs lately), but that doesn't mean I lack responsibility, because I have taken for myself the invisible weight of the world.
 Quoting: gus.

this i would like to discuss. i have that thing too and i think we are far from truth. if only someone would confirm the fact that invisible weight exists and we actively participate in it.. so that some of us really carry in ourselves bigger weight then others. dont you think this view is narcistic and nothing but that? are we stupid and ignorant for believing in that? isnt it just a way to boost our ego and feel more worthy/important then others?

because I OWE so much to God/Universe/Whatever for giving me this knowledge.
 Quoting: gus.


again i would like to bring this to a 'lower' level. this is a feeling of your own value, of your complexity and greatness and i think its something worth cherishing and expanding. so you are already there and dont owe anything to anyone.
this is probably closest to amazement i was talking about (in this case amazement with your mind and wholeness).

the thing i lack to understand the most is the fact you do have ideas and plans but dont have willingness to do them. are you sure you are confident in your ideas enough. are they just seeds of ideas or fully formed ones? do you review on them with fear that they are not good enough?
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If I may....you're in the same boat waiting for tide to come in, just like us. The Superhero, the higher knowledge...we've been were you are now.

The tide never comes in. You have to walk to the water.
The Superhero, his knowledge...you couldn't give it back even if you wanted. It's your memory of yourself.

It matters not how tall the tree gets. The fruit is yours for the picking. Get a ladder.

You expect to pick a pear from an apple tree. If you ask a wise man the meaning of life...he'll tell you wisdom. If you ask a wealthy man the meaning of life...he'll tell you riches.

If you want the meaning of your life, you must ask yourself.
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I already know the meaning of life. It's simply the meaning that you give to it. We could perhaps share ideas and build a rank of "meanings to life" from the most important to the least important, but every item in the list would still be just an illusion, a temporary creation of your mind to cope with life. With that said, the only meaning that is not an illusion is the one you (or your mind) creates, but then it only lasts for so long and then you find yourself in need of a deeper meaning.

This goes for the person who suggested having kids. Your kids will grow up one day and then you find yourself old (due to loss of sexual energy) and taken over by depression. How smart is that? It's very honorable to have kids and get involved in love affairs and shit, but the price to your health is also very high.

The highest meaning of life is that we should share, give, and offer to others so that they may extract meaning to their own lives from our actions.

Deep enough? But it's still not working for me. knowing the meaning of life does not help me to move a single finger. I sit here knowing that I need to get up and help people ,and yet my body doesn't move. I'm strong, yet I'm weak.

Knowing is not the same as doing. There is a huge gap between knowing the path and walking the path. I've been trying to walk this path for some time. I took a few steps already, but now I'm pretty much exhausted and aimless asking for help in a Internet forum.

And you still want me to walk the path? Sure, but I have no motivation to, no energy. Where is the energy that I need? Where can I find it? How many steps to reach the water?
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I only say this with half jest: sounds like a glandular problem.
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There is no one on Earth who is not precisely where they are supposed to be, perfectly positioned to be themselves, doing what they planned to do before they incarnated. If you have doubts about this, as many of you do, ask for guidance when you pray or meditate, and even if it seems that you are getting no answers, know that you are making your presence on Earth extremely effective just by being there and holding your loving intent.
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What you focus on one determines what comes into your life. If you continually worry and feel fear, then events will play out to reinforce your fears and worry. The law of attraction brings into being what you place your attention upon, so by intending to live in love and surrender, you will find that the limitations once placed around you through your own conditioning and rational mind will simply fade away. Learn to be aware of the cycles and flow of energies and to move with the flow rather than against it.
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Yes, an enlightened man should put more emphasis on 'being' rather than 'doing'. I may have fallen into a trap, as I'm still questioning 'what should I do' in order to just 'be', when in fact 'being' should require no effort, only acceptance.

Through my own afflictions I have understood that I'm not the doer, the scripting force is. I'm just the witness of an automatic experience.

It appears that in my state of "enlightenment", which by the way is very dependent on intellectual ability ("mentation") rather than raw experience (which I have little), has brought me a sense of peace and confidence, but at the same time has killed most of my desires and my passion in life.

But I still want to have worldly desires, after all I still wish to be alive. Enlightenment shouldn't put an end to your desires; it should only put an end to your attachment to such desires, so that suffering is no longer the usual outcome.

I desire very much to be able to do things, so maybe that's where I'm getting a blockage, and as a result I'm suffering.

The state of desire, where the doer believes the doing is within him, is the state Gurdjieff called sleep; it is the world of illusion.

I'm not the doer, I never was. People who remain asleep believe that they are the center of the world, controlling everything that they do from the highest point. Their mantra is "I do, therefore I exist". But the truth couldn't be more different.

I no longer believe that I 'do' things. I'm just given things to do. I only have a passive observing role in this life and I must content myself with observing the things that my body does while controlled by a force which remains inaccessible to me.

I still believe, however, that I can work to assume a more active observing role. I wish to become a spectator who at least can choose his viewing angle.

They say not to oppose forces, but to use them...

While I cannot challenge or override the scripting force, there must be a way to come to an agreement with it. Why is that I feel that my life's script has not been good for me? Maybe I can still find a way to communicate with my Higher Self and thus learn more about the creation process and why it has to be this way.

I have gotten a strong new idea from Gurdjieff's work. I'm going to try it in the next few days. My life is beginning to crumble all around me, but I feel that I'm getting near a definitive answer.

Some good posts here. Thank you. If I succeed you can count on me returning with an answer so that you guys may benefit from it as well.


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Human of Earth, I wish for you that you always let the necessary prudence prevail on all your ways and that you always strive for love, happiness, peace, good cheer, freedom, joy and harmony, in order to lead your life to true contentment and to be able to share everything with your fellow humans.
Therefore, go your good and straight path amid all the din and all the ups and downs of life.
Therefore, never let the haste of the world come over you but always be peaceful in all things and practice composure where hecticness threatens.
Never speak too much but always think of the value of silence because in this is contained much peace and reflection.
Consequently, always thus hold peace within yourself whatever your own views, endeavours, ideas, wishes and fantasies are because, in the noisy chaos of life, your thoughts and feelings quite especially need all of what is good, worth loving, peaceful, free, harmonic, happy and joyful.
Always keep in mind that despite all calamities, all grief and all worries and despite all flowing tears everywhere, the world is nevertheless beautiful and wonderful in its and with its entire life even if dreams break here and there and an immense chaos makes all hopes appear as illusion.
This, however, should not concern you because the sun rises again every morning and brings new light and new warmth over the world and to all life forms even if it draws its path across the sky behind or above the clouds.
And, thus, like the sun shines anew high in the sky every day, openly or covered, you also can shine within yourself and cause your life to shine regardless of whether it becomes outwardly visible or whether it lights you up only within your interior.
Live in every circumstance in such a way that you always shine within yourself and that you also can pass on your inner warmth to your fellow human.
Also, always live in such a way that you yourself never give up and that you always are a good and valuable example for all your fellow humans with whom you should live in good, connective and honest relationships.
Therefore, live in peace with yourself as well as all humans and all creatures that creep and flee there in your vicinity as well as in the wild.
And, therefore, live also with Creation in peace and harmony regardless of whatever you imagine by it.
And if you live in peace with yourself as well as with your fellow human beings and all life and all that exists in general, then rejoice over all that which you are able to create in ideas and which you are able to plan.
And rejoice as much over all your achievements, and always be aware that you alone, through the power of your thoughts and feelings, have the authority to decide on how, what and who you are.
And in this sense, remain independent and strong and never let yourself get down.
Therefore, also never lapse into submissiveness with regard to a human regardless of however and whatever he may be or pretend to be.
But also never thus become a submissive slave to any imaginary deity, any angels or saints, as also never to anything else.
Also, never practice submissiveness with regard to yourself but always be open and honest as well as forceful to yourself and regard yourself as a human, which you truly are and who governs himself in every respect himself, even if you should be in chains.
Even chains can never deprive you of your true inner freedom as well as your inner peace, of joy, happiness and harmony, if you do not shackle, bind and gag yourself in all your inner values through yourself.
Therefore, always be yourself in every circumstance; always be you and feign something neither to yourself nor to others.
Feign affection, affinity and love neither to yourself nor to others if everything is dishonest.
Therefore, also never ridicule these values, because they are more valuable than money and property.
Therefore, always be devoted to the actual truth and let it work within yourself; also, spread it among your neighbours and among your fellow humans in general, but always do this with reason, calmness and with clear words.
However, never do it in a way that you readily listen to yourself speak and thereby let others have no say.
Also, always limit your talk to what is necessary and do not digress, because long and excessive talks have only a short-lived meaning, make the listeners yawn and thereby cause great displeasure, misunderstanding and inattentiveness.
Remember, the person who speaks long and excessively always has bad and ill-humored listeners.
Short-lived meaning applies to the long talk, great meaning, however, to the short talk.
Also, always keep in mind to attentively listen to others because, like yourself, they place value on being understood.
And always be aware that even children and fools as well as stupid and ignorant ones have something to say regardless of whatever kind of talk is their own.
They all have, like you and all other humans, their story, their life and their worries and needs as well as joyful and woeful things, about which they gladly want to talk.
Therefore, the possibility for this must be given to them because they have the same right as you, which is why you must not oppose them in this respect.
Furthermore, be not loud to your fellow human if this is not necessary for any important reasons.
Also, be not aggressive and not unfriendly, because every human wishes that he is treated in a friendly and peaceful way, even the most wicked evildoer.
For your part, however, avoid loud and aggressive humans because evil and vexation emerge from them if you get involved with them.
Nonetheless, however, it is your duty to respect them as humans and to concede to them all those rights that are good.
You should not and must not disrespect them as humans even if it is impossible for you to foster upright interpersonal relationships with them.
But always do the best that's possible for you in every respect to them and never let contempt fall over them.
Even if you should avoid loud and aggressive humans and keep the necessary distance and company with them, nevertheless be full of decency and be peaceful and honest towards them and speak unspitefully and friendly when they direct words to you or when a word is necessary on your part.
This also means that you should never feel hate within yourself against your neighbour, because hate always does you harm in every way primarily - secondarily, possibly your neighbour.
Always compare your neighbour, your fellow human, with yourself and never nurture pride or bitterness with regard to him.
Always be open and obliging and ever willing to forgivingly accommodate your neighbour.
Also, never feel superior to your fellow humans and never think that your worth be greater than theirs, because, truly, all humans equally are worth much no matter what their nature may be because the human as such always remains a human regardless of whatever good or bad he does.
Therefore, never condemn your neighbour, your fellow human, if he does or has done things that offend against law and order or simply against your own views, against your morals and against your feelings, etc.
Always condemn only that which is done by the fellow human - or by yourself - because only what offends the law and against the order is condemnation-worthy, thus, so is the human's actions that offend against law and order, however, never he himself as a human.
As a human, each person is taboo and untouchable as such for a condemnation because a condemnation can effectively be given only for the law-and-order-breaking actions in any case.
However, whatever the human does comes, as a rule, under his own will and, with this, also under his own thoughts; and it is exactly these that must be corrected by him then, by them being compelled in any appropriate, humane and reasonable manner, to rectify the incorrect behavior and, from then on, to cope with life and all that pertains to it in ways that conform with law and order.
Therefore, each human as such is, in fact, responsible for himself and also possesses the same rights as his neighbour in this respect, which also is valid for yourself in any case.
Therefore, never elevate yourself above your neighbours and never be of the erroneous view that you are the most distinguished and most knowing human in this world, because, truly, there are humans who stand high above you in this respect because they are more distinguished than you in any matters of work, knowledge, ability and functioning, etc.
But, therefore, be not sad, because this is the actual way of the world and evolution.
Therefore, it can be only advised and suggested to you to endeavor in all matters of life and progress in such a way that you also advance in order to one day likewise reach that state of those who still stand above you for any reasons of distinction.
But, at the same time, always be aware that others are not also at a standstill in their progress but likewise steadily strive for what is higher; consequently, they will be ahead of you again and be more distinguished than you when you have reached their stage, which you have striven for.
However, be wary in your striving that you exercise prudence, namely, in all your thinking, feeling and acting, because the world abounds with dishonesty and with humans who perpetrate deceits and all kinds of other criminal and condemnation-worthy actions in order to pull a fast one on you and to take you to the cleaners.
But this should never be a reason for you to shut yourself off from the value of honesty and to act in the same way as those who deceive you thoroughly.
Always be aware of the great value of virtues and make like very many of your fellow humans who strive for high ideals and lead a life that is full of a quiet heroism.
Thus, always bear the burden of life honestly and with dignity regardless of whether this is joyful or painful.
Thus, also dignify your becoming old and give it the grace that you have given it also in youth.
Also, honour your body and also show it the necessary dignity; thus, you acknowledge and value it in the way it was given to you without maltreating it out of selfishness and any flimsy irrationalities in a beautification obsession.
Also, pay attention to the power of your consciousness as well as to your thoughts and feelings so that you are able to cope with a sudden unhappiness, a mourning or a loss and do not collapse.
Always be clear and reasonable in your thinking and let neither anxieties, loneliness nor exhaustion arise within you because, from this, new anxieties as well as grief and suffering always result.
Therefore, always practice and maintain a healthy, intentional discipline for yourself, and always be friendly as well as loving and dignified to yourself in the process.
Also, at the same time, always be aware that you are a creation of the universe, of Creation, not less than any of your fellow humans, than all animals and plants and whatever creeps and flees there.
Even the stars and planets as well as the falling stars, the meteors, the galaxies and the comets pertain to that.
And like all these things and all your fellow humans and like all life forms of all kinds, you also have a right to be on this wonderful earth to live, to evolve and to enjoy your existence and to unfold and live it together with the power of the universe, as it must be regardless of whether this is clear to you or not.






What do you think.





GLP