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Wycliffe pledges to comply with an audit panel’s recommendations on controversial Bible translation practices

After a year’s work, a World Evangelical Alliance (WEA) panel has released its report on the Muslim-context translation practices of Wycliffe Bible Translators and its partner SIL International. Wycliffe requested the audit of its policies after controversy erupted last year over the world’s premier translator supporting translations that altered the phrases “Son of God” and “God the Father” in Muslim contexts.

Western mission agencies have been concerned about literal translations of “God the Father” and “Son of God” in Muslim contexts because the terms imply God had sexual relations with Mary. One SIL-supported translation of Matthew in Turkey rendered “God the Father” something along the lines of “the great protector,” according to locals. (See “The battle for accurate Bible translation in Asia” from the Feb. 25, 2012 issue of WORLD Magazine.)

[link to www.worldmag.com]

Both the Assemblies of God and the Presbyterian Church in America threatened to withdraw support from Wycliffe over the issue. Western mission agencies have also felt backlash from local believers in Muslim contexts who felt the agencies were changing the terms out of impatience over church growth. Frontiers, a missions agency that funds translation work, has also supported translations that alter the divine familial terms, but unlike Wycliffe it has not publicly submitted to an audit of its practices or policies. The WEA report may set the standard for Frontiers whether it officially adopts the recommendations or not.

The report never overtly rebukes Wycliffe/SIL, but it does draw clearer lines for the organizations’ translation practices. (Download a PDF of the report.)

[link to www.worldea.org]

Wycliffe’s earlier standards said translators should use a literal translation of the divine familial terms in a “majority” of cases, but left open the possibility of using an “alternative term with equivalent meaning” when the literal translation might “communicate wrong meaning.”

[link to www.worldmag.com]

The new report is clearer. “The WEA Panel (hereafter referred to as ‘Panel’) recommends that when the words for ‘father’ and ‘son’ refer to God the Father and to the Son of God, these words always be translated with the most directly equivalent familial words within the given linguistic and cultural context of the recipients,” the report says.

They needed a report to conclude the most directly equivalent words should be used when translating?

The panel says where the familial words had a sexual implication, the translators should add qualifying adjectives to the familial word rather than change the word itself, using terms like “anointed Son of God” or “heavenly Father.” They also recommend that translators use “paratext” (footnotes or commentary) to explain the terms rather than alter the text itself.

The report notes “the centrality of the word for “son” in the biblical presentation of salvation,” and says the centrality “demands that translators render the word with the most direct equivalent possible.”

The report also recommends standards for local involvement in translations and urged Wycliffe to set up a process for handling controversies over the familial terms. The panel says Wycliffe should be transparent about the translation decisions it makes.

Wycliffe had suspended the controversial translations while the review moved forward. A Wycliffe spokesman said that all the suspended translations (and all future translations) would meet these new standards prior to publication.

Critics of Wycliffe’s translation practices were cautious about embracing the report until they had studied it more fully.COEXIST
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I'm on God's side and God's side is Islam. You must get paid to post this crap? You are obsessed with Islam.
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I'm on God's side and God's side is Islam. You must get paid to post this crap? You are obsessed with Islam.
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You must also be obsessed with Islam to believe the drivel from the mouth of a pervert. I don't get paid to post here - but am pleased to assist in waking people up the truth of the death cult called Islam.
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I'm on God's side and God's side is Islam.
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Insha Allah, bro/sis
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I'm on God's side and God's side is Islam.
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Insha Allah, bro/sis
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Another deceived soul - defending the defenseless rantings of a pervert.
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There is no allah but a God.

"Thou shalt only have one wife" - The Ten Commandments.

Truly, there is no allah but a God.
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There is no allah but a God.

"Thou shalt only have one wife" - The Ten Commandments.

Truly, there is no allah but a God.
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And there is no pervert like Mo - a murderer, rapist and terrorist - you enjoy following a depraved lunatic?
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Allah either
A. Doesn't even exist
B. Is a demon
C. Is Satan himself

Allah (if it even exists at all) is certainly NOT
the Creator of Heaven and Earth.

Jesus Christ, the Word of God, is God Incarnate,
conceived by God, the Holy Spirit,
the only begotten Son of God the Father.

JOHN 1
1 IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD,
AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD,
AND THE WORD WAS GOD.


2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him;
and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life;
and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God,
whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness,
to bear witness of the Light,
that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light,
but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light,
which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world,
and the world was made by him,
and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own,
and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him,
to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man,
but of God.


14 AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH,
AND DWELT AMONG US,

(and we beheld his glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.
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LOL, soon enough, they will change "God" in the Bible to read "ALLAH". And "Jesus" will read "Muhammad servant and bitch" in order to cater to the Muslim folks.

Coming soon.
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The idea as far as islam is concerned is world fascism.
Islam is not a religion. Its a political ideology.
All its adherents are so fearful of repercussions, they dare not complain or counter the tenets stated by muhamadism.
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LOL, soon enough, they will change "God" in the Bible to read "ALLAH". And "Jesus" will read "Muhammad servant and bitch" in order to cater to the Muslim folks.

Coming soon.
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TYPO ABOVE, EDIT HERE IN BOLD:

LOL, soon enough, they will change "God" in the Bible to read "ALLAH". And "Jesus" will read "Muhammad's servant and bitch" in order to cater to the Muslim folks.

Coming soon.
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I'm on God's side and God's side is Islam. You must get paid to post this crap? You are obsessed with Islam.
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myths of mo
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This thread should be pinned.
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This thread should be pinned.
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Thanks for the PIN request!
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I'm on God's side and God's side is Islam. You must get paid to post this crap? You are obsessed with Islam.
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Let me ask you the same question that Genghis Khan asked the envoys of the Sultan: Did you go to heaven and speak to "God" that you speak on God's behalf?


Do not trust anyone who says he speaks for God. For he / she has a political agenda.
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Didn't you demand a change of the Koran too?
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Didn't you demand a change of the Koran too?
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No, I desire Muslims to acknowledge the commands to violence in the Queeran and not to lie about it being a book of peace.
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Didn't you demand a change of the Koran too?
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No, I desire Muslims to acknowledge the commands to violence in the Queeran and not to lie about it being a book of peace.
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The Bible is also called "a Book of Peace" but it is not,
the Bible is full of Violence, Death Threads, Exclusions, Hell, Death
and Fire!

We should ban both Books but we cant do this!

Our only Chance (for the WASPs) is Reform!
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Wycliffe pledges to comply with an audit panel’s recommendations on controversial Bible translation practices

After a year’s work, a World Evangelical Alliance (WEA) panel has released its report on the Muslim-context translation practices of Wycliffe Bible Translators and its partner SIL International. Wycliffe requested the audit of its policies after controversy erupted last year over the world’s premier translator supporting translations that altered the phrases “Son of God” and “God the Father” in Muslim contexts.

Western mission agencies have been concerned about literal translations of “God the Father” and “Son of God” in Muslim contexts because the terms imply God had sexual relations with Mary. One SIL-supported translation of Matthew in Turkey rendered “God the Father” something along the lines of “the great protector,” according to locals. (See “The battle for accurate Bible translation in Asia” from the Feb. 25, 2012 issue of WORLD Magazine.)

[link to www.worldmag.com]

Both the Assemblies of God and the Presbyterian Church in America threatened to withdraw support from Wycliffe over the issue. Western mission agencies have also felt backlash from local believers in Muslim contexts who felt the agencies were changing the terms out of impatience over church growth. Frontiers, a missions agency that funds translation work, has also supported translations that alter the divine familial terms, but unlike Wycliffe it has not publicly submitted to an audit of its practices or policies. The WEA report may set the standard for Frontiers whether it officially adopts the recommendations or not.

The report never overtly rebukes Wycliffe/SIL, but it does draw clearer lines for the organizations’ translation practices. (Download a PDF of the report.)

[link to www.worldea.org]

Wycliffe’s earlier standards said translators should use a literal translation of the divine familial terms in a “majority” of cases, but left open the possibility of using an “alternative term with equivalent meaning” when the literal translation might “communicate wrong meaning.”

[link to www.worldmag.com]

The new report is clearer. “The WEA Panel (hereafter referred to as ‘Panel’) recommends that when the words for ‘father’ and ‘son’ refer to God the Father and to the Son of God, these words always be translated with the most directly equivalent familial words within the given linguistic and cultural context of the recipients,” the report says.

They needed a report to conclude the most directly equivalent words should be used when translating?

The panel says where the familial words had a sexual implication, the translators should add qualifying adjectives to the familial word rather than change the word itself, using terms like “anointed Son of God” or “heavenly Father.” They also recommend that translators use “paratext” (footnotes or commentary) to explain the terms rather than alter the text itself.

The report notes “the centrality of the word for “son” in the biblical presentation of salvation,” and says the centrality “demands that translators render the word with the most direct equivalent possible.”

The report also recommends standards for local involvement in translations and urged Wycliffe to set up a process for handling controversies over the familial terms. The panel says Wycliffe should be transparent about the translation decisions it makes.

Wycliffe had suspended the controversial translations while the review moved forward. A Wycliffe spokesman said that all the suspended translations (and all future translations) would meet these new standards prior to publication.

Critics of Wycliffe’s translation practices were cautious about embracing the report until they had studied it more fully.:COEXIST:
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God Bless you for taking the time to make these and similar posts about Islam!

Islam is demonic!
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I'm on God's side and God's side is Islam. You must get paid to post this crap? You are obsessed with Islam.
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You must also be obsessed with Islam to believe the drivel from the mouth of a pervert. I don't get paid to post here - but am pleased to assist in waking people up the truth of the death cult called Islam.
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Didn't you demand a change of the Koran too?
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No, I desire Muslims to acknowledge the commands to violence in the Queeran and not to lie about it being a book of peace.
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The Bible is also called "a Book of Peace" but it is not,
the Bible is full of Violence, Death Threads, Exclusions, Hell, Death
and Fire!

We should ban both Books but we cant do this!

Our only Chance (for the WASPs) is Reform!
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There is a vast differecne in the Bible vs the Quran

The Quran goes from peaceful to violent (important due to followers are inclined to practice the later revelations as they are the "last revelations of the prophet"

The Bible goes from violent to peaceful.

More importantly one can compare the differences in the founders - Christ Vs Mo

This is where the real difference can be seen

Christianity and Islam: A Side by Side Comparison

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who
disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads
and strike off every fingertip of them."
"Allah" (Qur'an 8:12)

"Fight everyone in the way of Allah and
kill those who disbelieve in Allah."
Muhammad (Ibn Ishaq 992)

"Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."
Jesus (Matthew 5:14)

Even though many Muslims regard terrorists who kill in the name of Allah as criminals, they cannot deny that Muhammad also killed in the name of Allah. What example of Jesus do Christians emulate which has them confused them with terrorists and criminals?

Good comparison here: (if your honest about knowing the difference)

[link to www.thereligionofpeace.com]
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Peace be unto all who follow the light.

I do not believe human knows the name of the God hf
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@Op., please don't misunderstand me
i know that the War between "Us and Them" is already going on
since a few Years and i know that we lost it already!

Both Books, or better all three Abrahameic Books are pure Evil
and designed to create War and a massive Suffering!

To save the Innocent we need a Dialogue but with Hate Speech
a Reform in the Way how the Muslim Community think is
impossible, you need to understand the Anger of this People
and not giving them TNT instead!

Us, the so called West, failed in the last 700-500 Years,
our (Christian) Way was and is a catastrophic Way!

Our "Book of Peace" created Colonialism, Apartheid and a really bad Society where millions of People search and need Drugs to survive,
this is one of our biggest Problems,
many People change to the Islam because of that!
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I'm on God's side and God's side is Islam. You must get paid to post this crap? You are obsessed with Islam.
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Not obsessed with islam, repulsed by it and you.

ND, why are we crawling around on our bellies for this savage scum? The only thing I can think of is that our politicians are being well paid to sell us out...

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@Op., please don't misunderstand me
i know that the War between "Us and Them" is already going on
since a few Years and i know that we lost it already!

Both Books, or better all three Abrahameic Books are pure Evil
and designed to create War and a massive Suffering!

To save the Innocent we need a Dialogue but with Hate Speech
a Reform in the Way how the Muslim Community think is
impossible, you need to understand the Anger of this People
and not giving them TNT instead!

Us, the so called West, failed in the last 700-500 Years,
our (Christian) Way was and is a catastrophic Way!

Our "Book of Peace" created Colonialism, Apartheid and a really bad Society where millions of People search and need Drugs to survive,
this is one of our biggest Problems,
many People change to the Islam because of that!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41348913


Again - I disagree- what men do "in the name" of religion is not the final test of said religion as men often do, they claim to do such and such in "name" of a religion.

My point -

The Bible (OT) is violent yes - but most of the violence in closed ended - to kill a certain tribe at that time. There is prophecy of the coming messaih who will bring peace.

THe Bible (NT) commands love and "turn the other cheek" defense is authorized. Peace is here and more to come in the kingdom of God.

The Quran - commands violence against non-believers (open ended) no end of violence until Islam is the supreme movememnt over the globe.

When the root of the tree is bad, the fruit of the tree is rotten.

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