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I haven't seen any discussion about this case on here, so I thought I would bring it up. Since there are a lot of users here who don't follow the mainstream US news, let me recap:

23 year old NFL star Aaron Hernandez is being arraigned on murder charges. The victim, Odin Lloyd, was the boyfriend of his fiancee's sister, a known acquaintance, and was found shot to death within a mile or so of Hernandez's residence. All of this happened shortly after signing a $40 million extension with his team, the New England Patriots. After his arrest, the Patriots promptly released Hernandez and the NFL and team issued vague statements supporting the legal process and in memoriam of the victim in question. Hernandez also faces 5 gun-related charges in the case. A summary of evidence:

1. Location of body, about one mile from accused's house.
2. Victim found near a rental car under Hernandez's name
3. Hernandez's cell phone and home security system/cameras were smashed when the police attempted to access them for evidence.
4. Police were able to obtain evidence from the damaged devices which not only prove that Hernandez, Lloyd and two unknown men were together on the night in question, but the home cameras allegedly show Hernandez leaving his house with a gun in hand. Local surveillance also placed the men in question near the scene of the crime, where the body was found.
5. Media outlets have also brought up his reputation as a marijuana smoker and his violent temper, which scared teams out of drafting him initially.

Seems like an open and shut case, right? There are a few things about this case that I've been wondering about so I wanted to run them by you. It's interesting how quickly this case has been defined by surveillance, and the information that can be obtained via these devices. I read this Boston Globe article basically saying as much:

[link to www.bostonglobe.com]

It almost seems as if they are intentionally pushing the issue to show how valuable this information is. And would Hernandez really be so stupid as to leave a body so close to his residence, next to a car that could easily be traced to him, knowing that witnesses would have seen them together? He could well be that stupid, but a 23 year old guy with a small baby and a new $40 million deal might go through a little more trouble to cover his tracks IF he were to off someone so brazenly. Don't ya think? Really, they just leave the body sitting there to be found within hours? I guess the timing of the case, and the seemingly air tight evidence just has me smelling a rat of some kind. Thoughts?

More info: [link to usnews.nbcnews.com]
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This Hernandez was a walking disaster from day one.
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GUILTY !!! Tom Brady helped, screw the Pats!
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GUILTY !!! Tom Brady helped, screw the Pats!
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Nah, Tebow was in on it
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All I can say, what a fuckin idiot to throw his life away (and of course, murdering an innocent person) like that. He was signed on for a $40 MILLION contract!
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All I can say, what a fuckin idiot to throw his life away (and of course, murdering an innocent person) like that. He was signed on for a $40 MILLION contract!
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That's why he did what he did.

Paying this roid-raging morons too much money to toss around a football.

All you people who get sucked into the football madness are just as stupid and should be tried for the crimes your idols commit.
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In Massachusetts, there is a mandatory sentence of life without parole for 1st degree murder.
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All I can say, what a fuckin idiot to throw his life away (and of course, murdering an innocent person) like that. He was signed on for a $40 MILLION contract!
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Ok, fair point. But that is why I am at least considering a set-up or some other explanations. Such as, who are these two accomplices? Is it possible they offed him knowing Hernandez would be implicated? Did someone have it out for him? I find it hard to believe that Hernandez would be so stupid as to leave the body in plain sight so close to home, knowing how much he has to lose in his life. Don't you think he would have done something to cover it up a bit more, if he really killed this guy in cold blood as suggested by prosecutors?

I try to presume innocence until someone is proven guilty, no matter how damning the evidence seems at first look. We all know that some cases aren't always what they seem to be.
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I haven't seen any discussion about this case on here, so I thought I would bring it up. Since there are a lot of users here who don't follow the mainstream US news, let me recap:

23 year old NFL star Aaron Hernandez is being arraigned on murder charges. The victim, Odin Lloyd, was the boyfriend of his fiancee's sister, a known acquaintance, and was found shot to death within a mile or so of Hernandez's residence. All of this happened shortly after signing a $40 million extension with his team, the New England Patriots. After his arrest, the Patriots promptly released Hernandez and the NFL and team issued vague statements supporting the legal process and in memoriam of the victim in question. Hernandez also faces 5 gun-related charges in the case. A summary of evidence:

1. Location of body, about one mile from accused's house.
2. Victim found near a rental car under Hernandez's name
3. Hernandez's cell phone and home security system/cameras were smashed when the police attempted to access them for evidence.
4. Police were able to obtain evidence from the damaged devices which not only prove that Hernandez, Lloyd and two unknown men were together on the night in question, but the home cameras allegedly show Hernandez leaving his house with a gun in hand. Local surveillance also placed the men in question near the scene of the crime, where the body was found.
5. Media outlets have also brought up his reputation as a marijuana smoker and his violent temper, which scared teams out of drafting him initially.

Seems like an open and shut case, right? There are a few things about this case that I've been wondering about so I wanted to run them by you. It's interesting how quickly this case has been defined by surveillance, and the information that can be obtained via these devices. I read this Boston Globe article basically saying as much:

[link to www.bostonglobe.com]

It almost seems as if they are intentionally pushing the issue to show how valuable this information is. And would Hernandez really be so stupid as to leave a body so close to his residence, next to a car that could easily be traced to him, knowing that witnesses would have seen them together? He could well be that stupid, but a 23 year old guy with a small baby and a new $40 million deal might go through a little more trouble to cover his tracks IF he were to off someone so brazenly. Don't ya think? Really, they just leave the body sitting there to be found within hours? I guess the timing of the case, and the seemingly air tight evidence just has me smelling a rat of some kind. Thoughts?

More info: [link to usnews.nbcnews.com]
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Did they say 'Why?' he did it??
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I haven't seen any discussion about this case on here, so I thought I would bring it up. Since there are a lot of users here who don't follow the mainstream US news, let me recap:

23 year old NFL star Aaron Hernandez is being arraigned on murder charges. The victim, Odin Lloyd, was the boyfriend of his fiancee's sister, a known acquaintance, and was found shot to death within a mile or so of Hernandez's residence. All of this happened shortly after signing a $40 million extension with his team, the New England Patriots. After his arrest, the Patriots promptly released Hernandez and the NFL and team issued vague statements supporting the legal process and in memoriam of the victim in question. Hernandez also faces 5 gun-related charges in the case. A summary of evidence:

1. Location of body, about one mile from accused's house.
2. Victim found near a rental car under Hernandez's name
3. Hernandez's cell phone and home security system/cameras were smashed when the police attempted to access them for evidence.
4. Police were able to obtain evidence from the damaged devices which not only prove that Hernandez, Lloyd and two unknown men were together on the night in question, but the home cameras allegedly show Hernandez leaving his house with a gun in hand. Local surveillance also placed the men in question near the scene of the crime, where the body was found.
5. Media outlets have also brought up his reputation as a marijuana smoker and his violent temper, which scared teams out of drafting him initially.

Seems like an open and shut case, right? There are a few things about this case that I've been wondering about so I wanted to run them by you. It's interesting how quickly this case has been defined by surveillance, and the information that can be obtained via these devices. I read this Boston Globe article basically saying as much:

[link to www.bostonglobe.com]

It almost seems as if they are intentionally pushing the issue to show how valuable this information is. And would Hernandez really be so stupid as to leave a body so close to his residence, next to a car that could easily be traced to him, knowing that witnesses would have seen them together? He could well be that stupid, but a 23 year old guy with a small baby and a new $40 million deal might go through a little more trouble to cover his tracks IF he were to off someone so brazenly. Don't ya think? Really, they just leave the body sitting there to be found within hours? I guess the timing of the case, and the seemingly air tight evidence just has me smelling a rat of some kind. Thoughts?

More info: [link to usnews.nbcnews.com]
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Did they say 'Why?' he did it??
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I mean, what was the motive for Hernandez to flip out? What caused him to snap??
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GUILTY !!! Tom Brady helped, screw the Pats!
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guilty as fuck... dudes a scumbag

gronk is out and hernandez is gone... week 1 will be nice
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I haven't seen any discussion about this case on here, so I thought I would bring it up. Since there are a lot of users here who don't follow the mainstream US news, let me recap:

23 year old NFL star Aaron Hernandez is being arraigned on murder charges. The victim, Odin Lloyd, was the boyfriend of his fiancee's sister, a known acquaintance, and was found shot to death within a mile or so of Hernandez's residence. All of this happened shortly after signing a $40 million extension with his team, the New England Patriots. After his arrest, the Patriots promptly released Hernandez and the NFL and team issued vague statements supporting the legal process and in memoriam of the victim in question. Hernandez also faces 5 gun-related charges in the case. A summary of evidence:

1. Location of body, about one mile from accused's house.
2. Victim found near a rental car under Hernandez's name
3. Hernandez's cell phone and home security system/cameras were smashed when the police attempted to access them for evidence.
4. Police were able to obtain evidence from the damaged devices which not only prove that Hernandez, Lloyd and two unknown men were together on the night in question, but the home cameras allegedly show Hernandez leaving his house with a gun in hand. Local surveillance also placed the men in question near the scene of the crime, where the body was found.
5. Media outlets have also brought up his reputation as a marijuana smoker and his violent temper, which scared teams out of drafting him initially.

Seems like an open and shut case, right? There are a few things about this case that I've been wondering about so I wanted to run them by you. It's interesting how quickly this case has been defined by surveillance, and the information that can be obtained via these devices. I read this Boston Globe article basically saying as much:

[link to www.bostonglobe.com]

It almost seems as if they are intentionally pushing the issue to show how valuable this information is. And would Hernandez really be so stupid as to leave a body so close to his residence, next to a car that could easily be traced to him, knowing that witnesses would have seen them together? He could well be that stupid, but a 23 year old guy with a small baby and a new $40 million deal might go through a little more trouble to cover his tracks IF he were to off someone so brazenly. Don't ya think? Really, they just leave the body sitting there to be found within hours? I guess the timing of the case, and the seemingly air tight evidence just has me smelling a rat of some kind. Thoughts?

More info: [link to usnews.nbcnews.com]
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Did they say 'Why?' he did it??
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I mean, what was the motive for Hernandez to flip out? What caused him to snap??
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Presumably to cover up the seemingly obvious evidence. However, I have not seen any statements confirming that Hernandez was the one to destroy the evidence, rather simply that the devices had been destroyed when the investigators tried to check them. Originally, there were rumors that Hernandez would be charged with obstruction of justice a few days before his arrest for murder. However, his legal team denied that charge at the time and it was never made official.
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In Massachusetts, there is a mandatory sentence of life without parole for 1st degree murder.
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You have to assume a few possible things, one or more of the following:

* Hernandez is a 'tard
* Hernandez has a serious personality disorder
* Hernandez has drug [cocaine, roids, even long term weed use, etc] induced paranoia

I don't think he's a 'tard. That leaves the other two options.

He and his accomplice made almost zero attempt to conceal their involvement in a first degree premeditated murder. They even did the murder 1 mile [!] from Hernandez's home! And left the body there! TONS of circumstantial and hard evidence points to Hernandez being one of the last people hanging out with the victim. The victim even managed to text his sister that he was afraid and was in a car with Hernandez just before he was killed.

Case closed. Hernandez is dead meat.
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In Massachusetts, there is a mandatory sentence of life without parole for 1st degree murder.
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You have to assume a few possible things, one or more of the following:

* Hernandez is a 'tard
* Hernandez has a serious personality disorder
* Hernandez has drug [cocaine, roids, even long term weed use, etc] induced paranoia

I don't think he's a 'tard. That leaves the other two options.

He and his accomplice made almost zero attempt to conceal their involvement in a first degree premeditated murder. They even did the murder 1 mile [!] from Hernandez's home! And left the body there! TONS of circumstantial and hard evidence points to Hernandez being one of the last people hanging out with the victim. The victim even managed to text his sister that he was afraid and was in a car with Hernandez just before he was killed.

Case closed. Hernandez is dead meat.
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I try my best not to assume too many things without concrete proof, although I do realize the temptation. However, the bolded section would seem to suggest that he is, in fact, a 'tard if he thought he would get away with it. That is kind of the main thing that bothers me. Maybe he really is that stupid, but you would think that he would do a bit more to cover his tracks. Right? Is it even feasible that he could have been set up?

And the narrative also seems odd to me, considering the timing: "If we didn't have access to security cameras and mobile phone records, we wouldn't have been able to solve this case so easily. Law enforcement needs access to these devices!"

Like I said, just my thoughts. I'm still not sure what to make of the whole case yet. I do also hate the Pats, by the way, but trying to keep an open mind.
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I bet hernandez gave the order and had his friends do his dirty work while he watched.

Gang leaders are usually the biggest pussies, can't do their own dirty work rather have someone else do it.

Dude just got caught up in the gangster scene, couldn't let his rep be affected by some young kid so he took care of it the only way he knew how.

Idiot.
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what a prosecutor called an execution-style shooting orchestrated by New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez because his friend talked to the wrong people at a nightclub. Hernandez was charged Wednesday with murder and could face life in prison, if convicted.

Lloyd, 27, a semi-pro football player with the Boston Bandits, had known Hernandez for about a year and was dating the sister of Hernandez's fiancee, the mother of Hernandez's 8-month-old baby, McCauley said.

On June 14, Lloyd went with Hernandez to a Boston club, Rumor. McCauley said Hernandez was upset Lloyd had talked to people there with whom Hernandez had trouble. He did not elaborate.

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In Massachusetts, there is a mandatory sentence of life without parole for 1st degree murder.
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You have to assume a few possible things, one or more of the following:

* Hernandez is a 'tard
* Hernandez has a serious personality disorder
* Hernandez has drug [cocaine, roids, even long term weed use, etc] induced paranoia

I don't think he's a 'tard. That leaves the other two options.

He and his accomplice made almost zero attempt to conceal their involvement in a first degree premeditated murder. They even did the murder 1 mile [!] from Hernandez's home! And left the body there! TONS of circumstantial and hard evidence points to Hernandez being one of the last people hanging out with the victim. The victim even managed to text his sister that he was afraid and was in a car with Hernandez just before he was killed.

Case closed. Hernandez is dead meat.
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I try my best not to assume too many things without concrete proof, although I do realize the temptation. However, the bolded section would seem to suggest that he is, in fact, a 'tard if he thought he would get away with it. That is kind of the main thing that bothers me. Maybe he really is that stupid, but you would think that he would do a bit more to cover his tracks. Right? Is it even feasible that he could have been set up?

And the narrative also seems odd to me, considering the timing: "If we didn't have access to security cameras and mobile phone records, we wouldn't have been able to solve this case so easily. Law enforcement needs access to these devices!"

Like I said, just my thoughts. I'm still not sure what to make of the whole case yet. I do also hate the Pats, by the way, but trying to keep an open mind.
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He may not be so much a 'tard' as he is fucked up by drug use. This would easily explain his arrogance and paranoia.
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Aha, I see what ya mean. Could be possible. Keep in mind that the killing happened 3 days after the original incident, so he likely had plenty of time to plan/think about it (if guilty). Then again, people do some F-ed up stuff while intoxicated. Still, I'd think he would be unretarded enough not to leave so much obvious evidence around. But I guess some of these guys also feel invincible and untouchable as well. Marvin Harrison comes to mind as well.

Also relevant to this case is that Hernandez had allegedly shot another guy outside of a nightclub earlier this year. That case was not reported at the time, and the victim, who lost an eye due to a ricocheting bullet, is now re-filing a lawsuit against Hernandez for the incident. It would seem that that incident was hushed at the time, and it is unknown if a police report was even filed.
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Y'know, another angle on this whole thing springs to mind. Given his (apparently sudden) propensity for violence, it would be interesting to look into his history of concussions and getting his bell rung.

I bring this up just remembering the case of Chris Benoit, the professional wrestler that murdered his family and then killed himself a few years back. He had endured so many concussions over the years that his brain was severely damaged.

Now, granted, Aaron Hernandez is considerably younger than Benoit was, and has likely absorbed less punishment, but it is still something to consider...it doesn't excuse what he did, but it is another possible explanation.
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kid's a gang banger and has a history of violence.

tons of evidence against him, including video from his own security system that shows two men getting out of a vehicle while holding guns just prior to the video being turned off.
the time stamp is only minutes after the gunshots were heard near where the body was found.

no reason to think he was framed.
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kid's a gang banger and has a history of violence.

tons of evidence against him, including video from his own security system that shows two men getting out of a vehicle while holding guns just prior to the video being turned off.
the time stamp is only minutes after the gunshots were heard near where the body was found.

no reason to think he was framed.
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Agreed, no reason that I can see specifically. Unless they wanted to make him a poster boy for all this surveillance going on nowadays. The surveillance issue is the only reason I brought it up in the first place. Just a theory, mind you... Have you ever heard of a celebrity case where the evidence was as seemingly open-and-shut as this one? Almost too perfect, perhaps? tomato
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i think it is a conspiracy based on people's attitutdes. I have a short analysis in the beginning of last night's hang out:

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Idiot gangbanger. New England was warned from other teams and scouts about this idiot gangbanger.

You can't remove the gangbanger from these idiots. Not even 40 million dollars can do it.

He is a fuckin retard gangbanger, plain and simple. So sad they don't have the death penalty for him because it is the only cure for gangbangers.
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Tebow was complicit as cameras show him praying for a starting roster spot to open up a week before the incident
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this sound like an open/close case. Damn Hernandez smh.
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Sounds like he is homo and was jealous about his boyfriend talking to ther men at the bar!
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I believe this all started a few years back with another incident.

Ive heard more but i dont want to speculate.Suffice it to say
that it seems Hernandez felt the victim had something on him as referenced by his(i cant trust anyone) caught on tape.

Much more to this.
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All I can say, what a fuckin idiot to throw his life away (and of course, murdering an innocent person) like that. He was signed on for a $40 MILLION contract!
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That's why he did what he did.

Paying this roid-raging morons too much money to toss around a football.

All you people who get sucked into the football madness are just as stupid and should be tried for the crimes your idols commit.
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someone was in band in school...
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I believe this all started a few years back with another incident.

Ive heard more but i dont want to speculate.Suffice it to say
that it seems Hernandez felt the victim had something on him as referenced by his(i cant trust anyone) caught on tape.

Much more to this.
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they're looking into Hernandez having a connection to a double homicide in Boston back in '12. they're offering that Lloyd (the recently murdered guy) was aware of said connection and that Hernandez believed Lloyd couldn't be trusted.
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I believe this all started a few years back with another incident.

Ive heard more but i dont want to speculate.Suffice it to say
that it seems Hernandez felt the victim had something on him as referenced by his(i cant trust anyone) caught on tape.

Much more to this.
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they're looking into Hernandez having a connection to a double homicide in Boston back in '12. they're offering that Lloyd (the recently murdered guy) was aware of said connection and that Hernandez believed Lloyd couldn't be trusted.
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Yeah, I just saw the latest news about the other allegations. Maybe we're just dealing with a real-life Scarface here. I opened this thread up to discuss the case, and it's looking like we'll be hearing a lot more about Mr. Hernandez in the coming weeks/months/years. Crazy stuff.
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Re: Aaron Hernandez Murder Case -- what's your take?
In my opinion it looks bad as hell...A lot of circumstantial evidence against him.

I think some tangible evidence will probably be found and or someones going to talk... It seems he was with two others that night so somebody knows something.

24 years old, 40 mil contract...Everything in the world, fame, fortune, but I guess gangsters can't find happiness.

It's an "American nightmare".

Pat's are fucked now so that makes me feel better.





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